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Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 24, 2019 15:21:17 GMT
Let's see, child has Aspergers (and states that in her Insta profile) and diagnosed depression, OCD, mutism, and eating disorder. Mom has written a book. Nope, no ulterior agenda here. I'm sorry, I'm going to need you to clarify your comment here. I am unclear on the point you are trying to make.
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Post by pierkiss on Sept 24, 2019 15:23:31 GMT
Let's see, child has Aspergers (and states that in her Insta profile) and diagnosed depression, OCD, mutism, and eating disorder. Mom has written a book. Nope, no ulterior agenda here. What is the ulterior motive? All I see is a kid being honest about who she is, and what she believes in. Lots of parents write books?
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Post by pierkiss on Sept 24, 2019 15:30:09 GMT
This isn't a new campaign for her she's been active in doing something about it since she was 8 years old. I think she's a very intelligent young woman who is actually passionate about what she believes in I admire her so much, and like I said, I so believe in her cause and I agree that she is an incredibly intelligent kid. But this passion seems to actually be a clinically diagnosed obsession, and I find that worrying. Also her speech seemed so incredibly over the top - 'you stole my childhood'? really? It just struck me as odd. This type of speech is very common in persons with Aspergers. It can be fascinating listening to their word choices when you talk with them. One of my favorites from a clinic I worked in was a 3 year old boy. The PhDs had him off in a therapy room running tests with him. We were in the playroom with his siblings (undergrad level assistant). He walked back to the playroom when he was done and exclaimed, “What a hullabaloo!” 😄. What 3 year old uses that word (and correctly!?). He said some other things that were also above his age, but all used correctly. I just don’t remember what exactly they were.
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Post by tentoes on Sept 24, 2019 15:37:41 GMT
I think she is a brave, fierce young woman and I strongly believe in her cause. However, this latest performance made me feel uncomfortable somehow. This was not a speech, it was a *performance*. This child has suffered from depression since age 8. She is also diagnosed with apergers syndrom and obsessive compulsive disorder, which transitioned to an obsession over her fear of climate change. During her childhood she developed mutism and a really severe eating disorder, which is when she stopped going to school. Part of her rise to international publicity is caused by her mom, who is an opera singer, putting Greta's stories out on her social media. I just don't know. I'm not even sure what point I am making here. I just fear that this child is way more vulnerable then she comes across, and I hope she's not in the spotlight for the wrong reasons, and I hope she deals with all of this well. Seeing her there made me feel a bit worried. If this was my daughter, given her mental health problems, I'm not sure if I would have let her do this this way.I feel bad for her.
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Post by myshelly on Sept 24, 2019 15:45:01 GMT
Let's see, child has Aspergers (and states that in her Insta profile) and diagnosed depression, OCD, mutism, and eating disorder. Mom has written a book. Nope, no ulterior agenda here. Big oil: Oil! The right: Oil! A 16 yr old girl: Other stuff! The right: WHO IS FUNDING YOU??!
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Post by ntsf on Sept 24, 2019 15:52:07 GMT
first, we are listening to someone who is not speaking their native language.. when the commentators can give a speech in swedish, then i'll acknowledge their critics. also, my own child has aspergers(now autism) and can't speak at time.. feels frozen. doesn't negate words or feelings.
they won't listen to the message so they attack the messenger.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 15:54:16 GMT
Let's see, child has Aspergers (and states that in her Insta profile) and diagnosed depression, OCD, mutism, and eating disorder. Mom has written a book. Nope, no ulterior agenda here. I'm sorry, I'm going to need you to clarify your comment here. I am unclear on the point you are trying to make. This child has some severe issues that relate to her belief that the world is literally coming to an end (disregard whether or not you believe it to be true or not - this child does and it is the focus of her OCD and possibly depression issues according to her mother). The mother is pushing this child out onto a worldwide stage to not only discuss it over and over again but also to be held up to international discussion and criticism (again right or wrong, it is inevitable). I can't see any positive benefit for the child to be in a position where she is hyperfocusing on the one thing that is causing some severe mental distress in at least one or two ways. Except publicity for mom's book. Yes - - - lots of people write books (*lots* is debatable), but lots of people don't shove the subject of their book into international focus. I haven't checked the stats on the book sales but I think it is safe to say that people who never heard of it have now checked it out. And people who support her have purchased it. I think we have found the potential positive benefit. Any publicity is good publicity.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 24, 2019 16:14:20 GMT
@bonanza said: This child has some severe issues that relate to her belief that the world is literally coming to an end (disregard whether or not you believe it to be true or not - this child does and it is the focus of her OCD and possibly depression issues according to her mother).
We can't disregard whether we believe it to be true or not. Because *I* believe it to be true. Does this mean that my mental health is preventing me from seeing the issue rationally? Second do all those people who believe (without facts, I might add) that God is in control and that there is no climate crisis because *He* will provide, suffer from a mental disorder preventing them from being rational? Because I don't see how one side can be argued without the other. And at least one side of this issue has science on their side.
I want to one day live in a world where the content of what we say is actually listened to without people opposing us dismissing on the basis of mental diagnoses. Yes, I'm touchy. I'm used to having the difficult things I say being dismissed due to mental illness.
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Post by lesley on Sept 24, 2019 16:21:34 GMT
@bonanza said: This child has some severe issues that relate to her belief that the world is literally coming to an end (disregard whether or not you believe it to be true or not - this child does and it is the focus of her OCD and possibly depression issues according to her mother). We can't disregard whether we believe it to be true or not. Because *I* believe it to be true. Does this mean that my mental health is preventing me from seeing the issue rationally? Second do all those people who believe (without facts, I might add) that God is in control and that there is no climate crisis because *He* will provide, suffer from a mental disorder preventing them from being rational? Because I don't see how one side can be argued without the other. And at least one side of this issue has science on their side. I want to one day live in a world where the content of what we say is actually listened to without people opposing us dismissing on the basis of mental diagnoses. Yes, I'm touchy. I'm used to having the difficult things I say being dismissed due to mental illness. I wish I could like this 1000 times over.
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Post by pierkiss on Sept 24, 2019 16:25:06 GMT
I'm sorry, I'm going to need you to clarify your comment here. I am unclear on the point you are trying to make. This child has some severe issues that relate to her belief that the world is literally coming to an end (disregard whether or not you believe it to be true or not - this child does and it is the focus of her OCD and possibly depression issues according to her mother). The mother is pushing this child out onto a worldwide stage to not only discuss it over and over again but also to be held up to international discussion and criticism (again right or wrong, it is inevitable). I can't see any positive benefit for the child to be in a position where she is hyperfocusing on the one thing that is causing some severe mental distress in at least one or two ways. Except publicity for mom's book. Yes - - - lots of people write books (*lots* is debatable), but lots of people don't shove the subject of their book into international focus. I haven't checked the stats on the book sales but I think it is safe to say that people who never heard of it have now checked it out. And people who support her have purchased it. I think we have found the potential positive benefit. Any publicity is good publicity. Or maaaaaybe it’s because this kid is trying to change the world? So you don’t believe she should try and enact change in an area she is passionate about because she also lives with forms of mental illness? Should all people who are hyper focused on certain areas stop pursuing those subjects?
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Post by gar on Sept 24, 2019 16:26:57 GMT
Let's see, child has Aspergers (and states that in her Insta profile) and diagnosed depression, OCD, mutism, and eating disorder. Mom has written a book. Nope, no ulterior agenda here. What, like saving the planet maybe? Shame on her!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 16:43:52 GMT
first, we are listening to someone who is not speaking their native language.. when the commentators can give a speech in swedish, then i'll acknowledge their critics. The vast majority of people in Sweden speak perfect English. In most Nordic countries people speak at least two, but usually 3 languages. The speech being in English has nothing to do with it. If you are going to be out there facing millions, I'm pretty sure you've got your sentences sorted. The thing that made me uncomfortable about her performance is the drama and intensity. "You are failing us, but young people are starting to understand your betrayal.” We are not failing her generation, and we did not take their childhood away. Just a few glances at humanprogress.org: global poverty rate fell from 28% in 1999 to 11% in 2013. Life expectancy around the world increased from 63.2 years to 71.9 years from 1981 to 2015. The infant mortality rate dropped from 64.8 per 1,000 live births in 1990 to 30.5 in 2016. The completion rate for primary school increased from 80% in 1981 to 90% in 2015. Everything, from hunger to child labor to literacy has improved. The climate problem is, in my opinion, the most acute threat humanity ever faced. Hell, if I had realized the magnitude of this 25 years ago, I'm not even sure I would have had children - THIS is how serious I think this is. But is a threat of now, of the future. Greta's childhood was taken away by a range of mental health issues resulting in a hyper focus on the climate. It is *all* she can think about, she says, and to me that seems really worrying. I am not dismissing the message because of a mental health diagnosis. Not at all. It's just that this is a CHILD, and she deserves protection and help, not (only) exposure.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 16:46:24 GMT
@bonanza said: This child has some severe issues that relate to her belief that the world is literally coming to an end (disregard whether or not you believe it to be true or not - this child does and it is the focus of her OCD and possibly depression issues according to her mother). We can't disregard whether we believe it to be true or not. Because *I* believe it to be true. Does this mean that my mental health is preventing me from seeing the issue rationally? Second do all those people who believe (without facts, I might add) that God is in control and that there is no climate crisis because *He* will provide, suffer from a mental disorder preventing them from being rational? Because I don't see how one side can be argued without the other. And at least one side of this issue has science on their side. I want to one day live in a world where the content of what we say is actually listened to without people opposing us dismissing on the basis of mental diagnoses. Yes, I'm touchy. I'm used to having the difficult things I say being dismissed due to mental illness. I am not disregarding what she says based on any sort of mental illness. I'm questioning the motivation of her mother to shove her kid out into the public spotlight when it is clearly an issue that causes her daughter great distress. It feels more like the mother is using her than supporting her. My comment about whether we believe it to be true or not was just meant to say *no matter what side of the debate you fall on.* It has nothing to do with anyone not being able to make a rational decision no matter what their mental illness status is. I'm sorry if it made it sound like I think someone who has any sort of mental illness can't make a decision. That was not the intention of that statement in the least.
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Post by gar on Sept 24, 2019 16:48:22 GMT
@bonanza said: This child has some severe issues that relate to her belief that the world is literally coming to an end (disregard whether or not you believe it to be true or not - this child does and it is the focus of her OCD and possibly depression issues according to her mother). We can't disregard whether we believe it to be true or not. Because *I* believe it to be true. Does this mean that my mental health is preventing me from seeing the issue rationally? Second do all those people who believe (without facts, I might add) that God is in control and that there is no climate crisis because *He* will provide, suffer from a mental disorder preventing them from being rational? Because I don't see how one side can be argued without the other. And at least one side of this issue has science on their side. I want to one day live in a world where the content of what we say is actually listened to without people opposing us dismissing on the basis of mental diagnoses. Yes, I'm touchy. I'm used to having the difficult things I say being dismissed due to mental illness. I am not disregarding what she says based on any sort of mental illness. I'm questioning the motivation of her mother to shove her kid out into the public spotlight when it is clearly an issue that causes her daughter great distress. It feels more like the mother is using her than supporting her. What are you basing this thought process on?
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 24, 2019 16:54:07 GMT
Greta's childhood was taken away by a range of mental health issues resulting in a hyper focus on the climate. It is *all* she can think about, she says, and to me that seems really worrying. chicken or egg. If there weren't catastrophic climate issues (caused by OUR generation and earlier ones- so YES, caused by US), she wouldn't have gotten obsessed and focused on it. Her childhood was taken away by the fact that these issues exist at all- thus requiring worry and focus (about what kind of a world her generation will be inheriting)-- and the EXISTENCE of these issues are requiring her, and others of her generation, to spend mental focus on that instead of 'kid' activities. I totally see what she meant by that statement.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 16:54:46 GMT
I am not disregarding what she says based on any sort of mental illness. I'm questioning the motivation of her mother to shove her kid out into the public spotlight when it is clearly an issue that causes her daughter great distress. It feels more like the mother is using her than supporting her. What are you basing this thought process on? Because as a mom, I would do anything to protect my child from things that cause them anxiety, not put them into the public spotlight where they are discussing it over and over again. Especially if it causes depression, OCD, and an eating disorder. I would want my child to heal, not be some sort of sacrificial martyr. Follow the money trail. Who has something to gain from it? Mom's publicity for her book. Because there must be a thousand mom books out there on parenting special needs kids. What can someone do to make their book stand out?
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Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 24, 2019 17:04:34 GMT
@bonanza said: This child has some severe issues that relate to her belief that the world is literally coming to an end (disregard whether or not you believe it to be true or not - this child does and it is the focus of her OCD and possibly depression issues according to her mother). We can't disregard whether we believe it to be true or not. Because *I* believe it to be true. Does this mean that my mental health is preventing me from seeing the issue rationally? Second do all those people who believe (without facts, I might add) that God is in control and that there is no climate crisis because *He* will provide, suffer from a mental disorder preventing them from being rational? Because I don't see how one side can be argued without the other. And at least one side of this issue has science on their side. I want to one day live in a world where the content of what we say is actually listened to without people opposing us dismissing on the basis of mental diagnoses. Yes, I'm touchy. I'm used to having the difficult things I say being dismissed due to mental illness. I am not disregarding what she says based on any sort of mental illness. I'm questioning the motivation of her mother to shove her kid out into the public spotlight when it is clearly an issue that causes her daughter great distress. It feels more like the mother is using her than supporting her. My comment about whether we believe it to be true or not was just meant to say *no matter what side of the debate you fall on.* It has nothing to do with anyone not being able to make a rational decision no matter what their mental illness status is. I'm sorry if it made it sound like I think someone who has any sort of mental illness can't make a decision. That was not the intention of that statement in the least. I have a kid with high functioning autism. Have you ever tried to get an autistic child to do something against their will? I use to tease that my son would never succumb to peer pressure because no one would ever be able to compel the child to do anything he didn't absolutely want to do. On the flip side, when his mind is made up about something, there's no reasoning with him out of it. Even if it is a huge mistake, he must make it himself in order to learn. It is just the way his mind functions. I believe there is a possibility that the mother planted a seed. Similar to the way that surgeons often raise other surgeons. I hope that the parent is allowing the child to lead the way. I just have a hard time believing, after raising this type of child, that these are not the child's words and passion. I do believe that she may not comprehend some of the negative aspects this kind of mission might entail. I do believe that there is a possibility of a giant fall from Grace. But I don't believe the mother is orchestrating this. I do hope the mother is equipped to guide.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 24, 2019 17:05:55 GMT
What are you basing this thought process on? Because as a mom, I would do anything to protect my child from things that cause them anxiety, not put them into the public spotlight where they are discussing it over and over again. Especially if it causes depression, OCD, and an eating disorder. I would want my child to heal, not be some sort of sacrificial martyr. Follow the money trail. Who has something to gain from it? Mom's publicity for her book. Because there must be a thousand mom books out there on parenting special needs kids. What can someone do to make their book stand out? The thing is that this might be healing for her. The child might be feeling like she's doing something to fix the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 17:06:01 GMT
Let's see, child has Aspergers (and states that in her Insta profile) and diagnosed depression, OCD, mutism, and eating disorder. Mom has written a book. Nope, no ulterior agenda here. Have you a link that can confirm that she was actually diagnosed with the conditions you mention or are you just quoting media opinions.
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Post by gar on Sept 24, 2019 17:06:39 GMT
What are you basing this thought process on? Because as a mom, I would do anything to protect my child from things that cause them anxiety, not put them into the public spotlight where they are discussing it over and over again. Especially if it causes depression, OCD, and an eating disorder. I would want my child to heal, not be some sort of sacrificial martyr. Follow the money trail. Who has something to gain from it? Mom's publicity for her book. Because there must be a thousand mom books out there on parenting special needs kids. What can someone do to make their book stand out? But you don't know that Greta isn't insisting on being out there campaigning. Maybe she gets more stressed not being vocal and doing all she can to bring about change. And you don't know what causes (or caused - are we privy to her current medical situation?) her depression, OCD or eating disorder. As far as I can see you're doing a lot of assuming and guessing.
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Post by myshelly on Sept 24, 2019 17:10:12 GMT
What are you basing this thought process on? Because as a mom, I would do anything to protect my child from things that cause them anxiety, not put them into the public spotlight where they are discussing it over and over again. Especially if it causes depression, OCD, and an eating disorder. I would want my child to heal, not be some sort of sacrificial martyr. Follow the money trail. Who has something to gain from it? Mom's publicity for her book. Because there must be a thousand mom books out there on parenting special needs kids. What can someone do to make their book stand out? I feel like you don’t understand her conditions very well. There is no shielding her from something she already knows about. She can’t just forget it. At this point, speaking out likely makes her feel better. Doing something is the only thing that makes her feel better about it, instead of hopeless and powerless. It’s easy to follow the money trail of her critics, we all know exactly who benefits by silencing her.
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Let's see, child has Aspergers (and states that in her Insta profile) and diagnosed depression, OCD, mutism, and eating disorder. Mom has written a book. Nope, no ulterior agenda here. Have you a link that can confirm that she was actually diagnosed with the conditions you mention or are you just quoting media opinions. According to her mother's book, soon to be released. This is the story of a family led to confront a crisis they had never foreseen. Aged eleven, their eldest daughter has stopped eating and speaking. Alongside diagnoses of autism and selective mutism, her parents slowly become aware of another source for her distress: her imperiled future on a rapidly heating planet.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 17:16:11 GMT
The thing is that this might be healing for her. The child might be feeling like she's doing something to fix the problem. That may be true. I didnt think of it that way. Thank you for that perspective.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 17:17:33 GMT
Because as a mom, I would do anything to protect my child from things that cause them anxiety, not put them into the public spotlight where they are discussing it over and over again. Especially if it causes depression, OCD, and an eating disorder. I would want my child to heal, not be some sort of sacrificial martyr. Yes. THIS.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 24, 2019 17:19:35 GMT
@rvjl has stated things more eloquently than I can, but fundamentally my issue with any organization using children (and yes organizations are using her) in their messaging is they're ill-equipped to deal with the intense media spotlight - in this case worldwide attention. I was actually pleased at first to learn she is not as young as she appears, but the more I read of her history, the more concerned I am about her well being.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 17:23:17 GMT
I'm sorry, I'm going to need you to clarify your comment here. I am unclear on the point you are trying to make. This child has some severe issues that relate to her belief that the world is literally coming to an end (disregard whether or not you believe it to be true or not - this child does and it is the focus of her OCD and possibly depression issues according to her mother). The mother is pushing this child out onto a worldwide stage to not only discuss it over and over again but also to be held up to international discussion and criticism (again right or wrong, it is inevitable). I can't see any positive benefit for the child to be in a position where she is hyperfocusing on the one thing that is causing some severe mental distress in at least one or two ways. Except publicity for mom's book. Yes - - - lots of people write books (*lots* is debatable), but lots of people don't shove the subject of their book into international focus. I haven't checked the stats on the book sales but I think it is safe to say that people who never heard of it have now checked it out. And people who support her have purchased it. I think we have found the potential positive benefit. Any publicity is good publicity. You really do talk a lot of bull****. The nook was brought out AFTER her daughter started her campaigning. Just because YOU might not have heard of her until now doesn't mean that she has suddenly come to light. As for her " depression" she explains in well in this interview she did in March of this year ( and for the record she also spoke at the 2018 climate summit) LINK to the rest of the articleNothing in what she says points to medically diagnosed depression. All I see is a young girl worrying and overwhelmingly sad about what is happening to the environment around her and decides to do something about it and not sit there thinking and doing nothing.
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"My classmates were concerned when they watched the film, but when it stopped, they started thinking about other things. I couldn’t do that."
This is the worrying part. To me, at least, as a parent of a child with ocd, who is on the spectrum.
As for her diagnosis, all of that is what her mom descibes in that book.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 24, 2019 17:35:26 GMT
I'm assuming that the mother was accurate in the medical diagnosis - I want to say emphatically that it is a huge mistake to think that someone with OCD will feel better by "doing something" about their obsession. That shows a fundamental misunderstanding of OCD.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 17:42:22 GMT
She mentioned that that both daughters had been diagnosed with autism ( but it's aspergers ) and the other with ADHD. Nowhere does she say that she was medically diagnosed with depression or an eating disorder, not unless you class not eating meat as a medical disorder. And most people that are Aspergers have OCD.
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