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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 17:55:18 GMT
She mentioned that that both daughters had been diagnosed with autism ( but it's aspergers ) and the other with ADHD. Nowhere does she say that she was medically diagnosed with depression or an eating disorder, not unless you class not eating meat as a medical disorder. And most people that are Aspergers have OCD.
Thunberg says she first heard about climate change in 2011, when she was 8 years old, and could not understand why so little was being done about it.[11] Three years later she became depressed and lethargic, stopped talking and eating, and was eventually diagnosed with Asperger syndrome,[12] obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD),[12] and selective mutism.[12][13] While acknowledging that her diagnosis "has limited me before", she does not view her autism as an illness and has instead called it her "superpower".[13] link
"A few years ago she was diagnosed with Asperger’s, obsessive compulsive disorder and selective mutism, which means she only speaks when necessary. " "She suffered from a severe depression when she was 11, he goes on to explain," <- this is her dad speaking. link
"And believe me, my diagnosis has limited me before," the Swedish student stated. "Before I started school striking I had no energy, no friends and I didn't speak to anyone. I just sat alone at home, with an eating disorder." link
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 17:58:29 GMT
@rvjl has stated things more eloquently than I can, but fundamentally my issue with any organization using children (and yes organizations are using her) in their messaging is they're ill-equipped to deal with the intense media spotlight - in this case worldwide attention Did you feel the same way about Malala Yousafzau. She was only a year older when she was shot and she was far younger 11 or 12 if I remember rightly when she started writing a blog. And in comparison to when she went out on to the world stage at 17/18,Greta I would imagine, having been brought up in a western society with far more access to the outside world and certainly more freedom would be equally as mature in mind. No difference in my opinion. One is trying to save the planet and the other is campaigning for better education for women.
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Post by DEX on Sept 24, 2019 18:40:24 GMT
She mentioned that that both daughters had been diagnosed with autism ( but it's aspergers ) and the other with ADHD. Nowhere does she say that she was medically diagnosed with depression or an eating disorder, not unless you class not eating meat as a medical disorder. And most people that are Aspergers have OCD.
Thunberg says she first heard about climate change in 2011, when she was 8 years old, and could not understand why so little was being done about it.[11] Three years later she became depressed and lethargic, stopped talking and eating, and was eventually diagnosed with Asperger syndrome,[12] obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD),[12] and selective mutism.[12][13] While acknowledging that her diagnosis "has limited me before", she does not view her autism as an illness and has instead called it her "superpower".[13] link
"A few years ago she was diagnosed with Asperger’s, obsessive compulsive disorder and selective mutism, which means she only speaks when necessary. " "She suffered from a severe depression when she was 11, he goes on to explain," <- this is her dad speaking. link
"And believe me, my diagnosis has limited me before," the Swedish student stated. "Before I started school striking I had no energy, no friends and I didn't speak to anyone. I just sat alone at home, with an eating disorder." linkAren't you living in Sweden? If so, I appreciate your input as you are closer to the issue than the US is.
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Post by flanz on Sept 24, 2019 18:53:20 GMT
I don’t know who Christopher Hahn is, but I think I love him. Me too! So grateful for his rebuttal to that idiot!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 24, 2019 19:01:05 GMT
She mentioned that that both daughters had been diagnosed with autism ( but it's aspergers ) and the other with ADHD. Nowhere does she say that she was medically diagnosed with depression or an eating disorder, not unless you class not eating meat as a medical disorder. And most people that are Aspergers have OCD. There is not currently a diagnosis of Asperger's. That changed with the DSM 5 in 2013. I am also not sure where you are getting your statistics that say that "most people with Asperger's have OCD." There may be a higher likelihood of having one if you have the other, but not everyone who has an Autistic Disorder meets the diagnostic criteria for OCD. Really, the primary reason that I could see her diagnoses as being important is that it might help explain why she is so invested in a particular topic. Being so passionate about something that seems to be limited in how much she can actually change things could be a detriment to her in the long run. But it could also be what is needed to be persistent enough to be successful.
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Post by flanz on Sept 24, 2019 19:01:19 GMT
first, we are listening to someone who is not speaking their native language.. when the commentators can give a speech in swedish, then i'll acknowledge their critics. The vast majority of people in Sweden speak perfect English. In most Nordic countries people speak at least two, but usually 3 languages. The speech being in English has nothing to do with it. If you are going to be out there facing millions, I'm pretty sure you've got your sentences sorted. The thing that made me uncomfortable about her performance is the drama and intensity. "You are failing us, but young people are starting to understand your betrayal.” We are not failing her generation, and we did not take their childhood away. Just a few glances at humanprogress.org: global poverty rate fell from 28% in 1999 to 11% in 2013. Life expectancy around the world increased from 63.2 years to 71.9 years from 1981 to 2015. The infant mortality rate dropped from 64.8 per 1,000 live births in 1990 to 30.5 in 2016. The completion rate for primary school increased from 80% in 1981 to 90% in 2015. Everything, from hunger to child labor to literacy has improved. The climate problem is, in my opinion, the most acute threat humanity ever faced. Hell, if I had realized the magnitude of this 25 years ago, I'm not even sure I would have had children - THIS is how serious I think this is. But is a threat of now, of the future. Greta's childhood was taken away by a range of mental health issues resulting in a hyper focus on the climate. It is *all* she can think about, she says, and to me that seems really worrying. I am not dismissing the message because of a mental health diagnosis. Not at all. It's just that this is a CHILD, and she deserves protection and help, not (only) exposure. GRETA is STILL a child and her very logical fear for the future is justified. One of the most informed and sane people I've heard speak on the subject. My generation and others HAVE failed her and her peers - we didn't act fast enough or thoroughly enough to help prevent the current climate crisis. This is an emergency. Scientists have been sounding the alarm for 30 YEARS! Activists have achieved very little by politely requesting change. I think the earth is on fire and it's time to yell and scream about it! More of us should be doing so! I'm beyond grateful to Greta, and I think her speech was nothing short of brilliant. @rvjl, I am a bit concerned for her wellbeing as well, but she's doing all she can to try to ensure a livable planet for herself and others. Admirable. I don't think she's being forced to do anything.
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Post by sabrinae on Sept 24, 2019 19:06:10 GMT
first, we are listening to someone who is not speaking their native language.. when the commentators can give a speech in swedish, then i'll acknowledge their critics. The vast majority of people in Sweden speak perfect English. In most Nordic countries people speak at least two, but usually 3 languages. The speech being in English has nothing to do with it. If you are going to be out there facing millions, I'm pretty sure you've got your sentences sorted. The thing that made me uncomfortable about her performance is the drama and intensity. "You are failing us, but young people are starting to understand your betrayal.” We are not failing her generation, and we did not take their childhood away. Just a few glances at humanprogress.org: global poverty rate fell from 28% in 1999 to 11% in 2013. Life expectancy around the world increased from 63.2 years to 71.9 years from 1981 to 2015. The infant mortality rate dropped from 64.8 per 1,000 live births in 1990 to 30.5 in 2016. The completion rate for primary school increased from 80% in 1981 to 90% in 2015. Everything, from hunger to child labor to literacy has improved. The climate problem is, in my opinion, the most acute threat humanity ever faced. Hell, if I had realized the magnitude of this 25 years ago, I'm not even sure I would have had children - THIS is how serious I think this is. But is a threat of now, of the future. Greta's childhood was taken away by a range of mental health issues resulting in a hyper focus on the climate. It is *all* she can think about, she says, and to me that seems really worrying. I am not dismissing the message because of a mental health diagnosis. Not at all. It's just that this is a CHILD, and she deserves protection and help, not (only) exposure. How much interaction have you had with people with an autism diagnosis? My experience has been that this sort of intensity, focus and awareness can be very normal. Their brains tend to latch onto one area and remain hyper-focused in that one area. I don’t find anything odd or uncomfortable about her speech given what is known about her.
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Post by pyccku on Sept 24, 2019 19:11:02 GMT
If we're going to limit those whom we deem "too young" to have an opinion or to be allowed to having an impact on the issue of their choice, we should equally limit those who are too old and out of touch.
A 16-year old has concerns about climate change because she's going to have to live with the consequences. The 70 and 80 year olds in power don't really need to worry about that - maybe we should start sharing our concerns that they are being manipulated in their dotage?
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Post by maryannscraps on Sept 24, 2019 19:28:04 GMT
As for Aspergers, I went to MIT during the early 80s, before the diagnosis was well known. I KNOW that many of my classmates fit the diagnosis, and yet that doesn't change the fact that they were brilliant and passionate. And have gone on to do massively important things for the world. They were different, but followed their interests, just as I think Greta is.
I wish Greta all the best and hope her passion fuels world change.
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Post by refugeepea on Sept 24, 2019 19:42:01 GMT
I don’t know who Christopher Hahn is, but I think I love him. I think she is a brave, fierce young woman and I strongly believe in her cause. However, this latest performance made me feel uncomfortable somehow. This was not a speech, it was a *performance*. She is my daughter who has high functioning Autism (because Aspergers is no longer a diagnosis, which she hates!).
I admire her so much, and like I said, I so believe in her cause and I agree that she is an incredibly intelligent kid. But this passion seems to actually be a clinically diagnosed obsession, and I find that worrying. Also her speech seemed so incredibly over the top - 'you stole my childhood'? really? It just struck me as odd. Not odd at all to me based on my experience.
Didn't know Christopher Hahn was a hero until I saw this last night. How did the host not immediately pause him herself when he called her a mentally ill Swedish girl? Did not realize she was as bad as the rest. I think it was shock and then when she saw the furious look on Hahn's face, she was like oh, let's let him speak. One of my favorites from a clinic I worked in was a 3 year old boy. The PhDs had him off in a therapy room running tests with him. We were in the playroom with his siblings (undergrad level assistant). He walked back to the playroom when he was done and exclaimed, “What a hullabaloo!” 😄. What 3 year old uses that word (and correctly!?). He said some other things that were also above his age, but all used correctly. I just don’t remember what exactly they were. OMG! Yes! My daughter's "super power" is her use of words, ability to memorize words (plays) and facts. She told me one day she wanted to know her cousin's work schedule to see if it coincides with her own.
they won't listen to the message so they attack the messenger. If there weren't catastrophic climate issues (caused by OUR generation and earlier ones- so YES, caused by US), she wouldn't have gotten obsessed and focused on it. I just have a hard time believing, after raising this type of child, that these are not the child's words and passion. Absolutely! My daughter's passion is championing for the disabled and just equal rights for all. Also politics. Wow, she HATES Trump! FTR, my husband is politically neutral on pretty much everything and I don't like to bring it up because she will.not.stop.talking.
rvjl has stated things more eloquently than I can, but fundamentally my issue with any organization using children (and yes organizations are using her) I don't see it that way.
she does not view her autism as an illness and has instead called it her "superpower". That's an amazing way to view a cognitive disability.
As for Aspergers, I went to MIT during the early 80s, before the diagnosis was well known. I KNOW that many of my classmates fit the diagnosis, and yet that doesn't change the fact that they were brilliant and passionate. And have gone on to do massively important things for the world. They were different, but followed their interests, just as I think Greta is.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 19:43:18 GMT
She mentioned that that both daughters had been diagnosed with autism ( but it's aspergers ) and the other with ADHD. Nowhere does she say that she was medically diagnosed with depression or an eating disorder, not unless you class not eating meat as a medical disorder. And most people that are Aspergers have OCD. There is not currently a diagnosis of Asperger's. That changed with the DSM 5 in 2013. I am also not sure where you are getting your statistics that say that "most people with Asperger's have OCD." There may be a higher likelihood of having one if you have the other, but not everyone who has an Autistic Disorder meets the diagnostic criteria for OCD. Really, the primary reason that I could see her diagnoses as being important is that it might help explain why she is so invested in a particular topic. Being so passionate about something that seems to be limited in how much she can actually change things could be a detriment to her in the long run. But it could also be what is needed to be persistent enough to be successful. What makes you think that Sweden follows the American Psychiatric Association DSM 5 ? I would imagine they have their own Diagnostic Manual.
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Post by gillyp on Sept 24, 2019 19:48:10 GMT
Forgive me if this has been linked to, I don’t think it has. This appeared in my FB Feed, written by Greta in February. ”Recently I’ve seen many rumors circulating about me and enormous amounts of hate. This is no surprise to me. I know that since most people are not aware of the full meaning of the climate crisis (which is understandable since it has never been treated as a crisis) a school strike for the climate would seem very strange to people in general. So let me make some things clear about my school strike. In may 2018 I was one of the winners in a writing competition about the environment held by Svenska Dagbladet, a Swedish newspaper. I got my article published and some people contacted me, among others was Bo Thorén from Fossil Free Dalsland. He had some kind of group with people, especially youth, who wanted to do something about the climate crisis. I had a few phone meetings with other activists. The purpose was to come up with ideas of new projects that would bring attention to the climate crisis. Bo had a few ideas of things we could do. Everything from marches to a loose idea of some kind of a school strike (that school children would do something on the schoolyards or in the classrooms). That idea was inspired by the Parkland Students, who had refused to go to school after the school shootings. I liked the idea of a school strike. So I developed that idea and tried to get the other young people to join me, but no one was really interested. They thought that a Swedish version of the Zero Hour march was going to have a bigger impact. So I went on planning the school strike all by myself and after that I didn’t participate in any more meetings. When I told my parents about my plans they weren’t very fond of it. They did not support the idea of school striking and they said that if I were to do this I would have to do it completely by myself and with no support from them. On the 20 of august I sat down outside the Swedish Parliament. I handed out fliers with a long list of facts about the climate crisis and explanations on why I was striking. The first thing I did was to post on Twitter and Instagram what I was doing and it soon went viral. Then journalists and newspapers started to come. A Swedish entrepreneur and business man active in the climate movement, Ingmar Rentzhog, was among the first to arrive. He spoke with me and took pictures that he posted on Facebook. That was the first time I had ever met or spoken with him. I had not communicated or encountered with him ever before. Many people love to spread rumors saying that I have people ”behind me” or that I’m being ”paid” or ”used” to do what I’m doing. But there is no one ”behind” me except for myself. My parents were as far from climate activists as possible before I made them aware of the situation. I am not part of any organization. I sometimes support and cooperate with several NGOs that work with the climate and environment. But I am absolutely independent and I only represent myself. And I do what I do completely for free, I have not received any money or any promise of future payments in any form at all. And nor has anyone linked to me or my family done so. And of course it will stay this way. I have not met one single climate activist who is fighting for the climate for money. That idea is completely absurd. Furthermore I only travel with permission from my school and my parents pay for tickets and accommodations. My family has written a book together about our family and how me and my sister Beata have influenced my parents way of thinking and seeing the world, especially when it comes to the climate. And about our diagnoses. That book was due to be released in May. But since there was a major disagreement with the book company, we ended up changing to a new publisher and so the book was released in august instead. Before the book was released my parents made it clear that their possible profits from the book ”Scener ur hjärtat” will be going to 8 different charities working with environment, children with diagnoses and animal rights. And yes, I write my own speeches. But since I know that what I say is going to reach many, many people I often ask for input. I also have a few scientists that I frequently ask for help on how to express certain complicated matters. I want everything to be absolutely correct so that I don’t spread incorrect facts, or things that can be misunderstood. Some people mock me for my diagnosis. But Asperger is not a disease, it’s a gift. People also say that since I have Asperger I couldn’t possibly have put myself in this position. But that’s exactly why I did this. Because if I would have been ”normal” and social I would have organized myself in an organisation, or started an organisation by myself. But since I am not that good at socializing I did this instead. I was so frustrated that nothing was being done about the climate crisis and I felt like I had to do something, anything. And sometimes NOT doing things - like just sitting down outside the parliament - speaks much louder than doing things. Just like a whisper sometimes is louder than shouting. Also there is one complaint that I ”sound and write like an adult”. And to that I can only say; don’t you think that a 16-year old can speak for herself? There’s also some people who say that I oversimplify things. For example when I say that "the climate crisis is a black and white issue”, ”we need to stop the emissions of greenhouse gases” and ”I want you to panic”. But that I only say because it’s true. Yes, the climate crisis is the most complex issue that we have ever faced and it’s going to take everything from our part to ”stop it”. But the solution is black and white; we need to stop the emissions of greenhouse gases. Because either we limit the warming to 1,5 degrees C over pre industrial levels, or we don’t. Either we reach a tipping point where we start a chain reaction with events way beyond human control, or we don’t. Either we go on as a civilization, or we don’t. There are no gray areas when it comes to survival. And when I say that I want you to panic I mean that we need to treat the crisis as a crisis. When your house is on fire you don’t sit down and talk about how nice you can rebuild it once you put out the fire. If your house is on fire you run outside and make sure that everyone is out while you call the fire department. That requires some level of panic. There is one other argument that I can’t do anything about. And that is the fact that I’m ”just a child and we shouldn’t be listening to children.” But that is easily fixed - just start to listen to the rock solid science instead. Because if everyone listened to the scientists and the facts that I constantly refer to - then no one would have to listen to me or any of the other hundreds of thousands of school children on strike for the climate across the world. Then we could all go back to school. I am just a messenger, and yet I get all this hate. I am not saying anything new, I am just saying what scientists have repeatedly said for decades. And I agree with you, I’m too young to do this. We children shouldn’t have to do this. But since almost no one is doing anything, and our very future is at risk, we feel like we have to continue. And if you have any other concern or doubt about me, then you can listen to my TED talk ( www.ted.com/talks/greta_thunberg_the_disarming_case_to_act_right_now_on_climate/up-next ), in which I talk about how my interest for the climate and environment began. And thank you everyone for you kind support! It brings me hope. /Greta Ps I was briefly a youth advisor for the board of the non profit foundation “We don’t have time”. It turns out they used my name as part of another branch of their organisation that is a start up business. They have admitted clearly that they did so without the knowledge of me or my family. I no longer have any connection to “We don’t have time”. Nor has anyone in my family. They have deeply apologised and I have accepted their apology.”
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 24, 2019 19:53:58 GMT
There is not currently a diagnosis of Asperger's. That changed with the DSM 5 in 2013. I am also not sure where you are getting your statistics that say that "most people with Asperger's have OCD." There may be a higher likelihood of having one if you have the other, but not everyone who has an Autistic Disorder meets the diagnostic criteria for OCD. Really, the primary reason that I could see her diagnoses as being important is that it might help explain why she is so invested in a particular topic. Being so passionate about something that seems to be limited in how much she can actually change things could be a detriment to her in the long run. But it could also be what is needed to be persistent enough to be successful. What makes you think that Sweden follows the American Psychiatric Association DSM 5 ? I would imagine they have their own Diagnostic Manual. Possibly, although a quick google search indicates that Sweden does use the DSM 5 for clinical purposes. I was responding more to you since you seemed to be discounting the diagnosis/claim of a diagnosis of Autism, saying that it was actually Asperger's.
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Post by refugeepea on Sept 24, 2019 19:55:49 GMT
And for those thinking this is all an act. Here's some of my daughter's Facebook posts. She is officially an adult, so I don't do much monitoring. She can usually back up her arguments with facts so I sit back and laugh at the people who argue with her. There is also lots of Comic Con/Cosplay thrown in there too. Her two word post from Greta's speech yesterday--> THE SHADE "The Trump administration is trying to KILL disabled and sick adults and CHILDREN. There's no defense for this, no excuse, no justification." "Pre-registering to vote last year is one of the greatest things I've ever done. People with disabilities are a huge, untapped audience, and we have the potential to really turn the tide in this upcoming 2020 election. I cannot wait to be a part of this revolution"
her post not agreeing with recent legislation that was passed "autistic people weren't consulted on this and the money is basically for finding a "cure" and doesn't actually go towards helping autistic people. Also, Autism Speaks pushed for this." "GRETA THUNBERG IS FOREVER A MOOD. MY IDOL" In response to the death stare at Trump Another Greta post SO SAVAGE BTW, she does have a sense of humor. She posted a man's mean comment about Greta, but said I'm trying to be mad but he has a woman's name. Anyone who knows me IRL (because it's sometimes hard to convey a message on the internet) knows I'm a not in your face type of person. I prefer avoiding people. It is all her.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 19:57:26 GMT
The vast majority of people in Sweden speak perfect English. In most Nordic countries people speak at least two, but usually 3 languages. The speech being in English has nothing to do with it. If you are going to be out there facing millions, I'm pretty sure you've got your sentences sorted. The thing that made me uncomfortable about her performance is the drama and intensity. "You are failing us, but young people are starting to understand your betrayal.” We are not failing her generation, and we did not take their childhood away. Just a few glances at humanprogress.org: global poverty rate fell from 28% in 1999 to 11% in 2013. Life expectancy around the world increased from 63.2 years to 71.9 years from 1981 to 2015. The infant mortality rate dropped from 64.8 per 1,000 live births in 1990 to 30.5 in 2016. The completion rate for primary school increased from 80% in 1981 to 90% in 2015. Everything, from hunger to child labor to literacy has improved. The climate problem is, in my opinion, the most acute threat humanity ever faced. Hell, if I had realized the magnitude of this 25 years ago, I'm not even sure I would have had children - THIS is how serious I think this is. But is a threat of now, of the future. Greta's childhood was taken away by a range of mental health issues resulting in a hyper focus on the climate. It is *all* she can think about, she says, and to me that seems really worrying. I am not dismissing the message because of a mental health diagnosis. Not at all. It's just that this is a CHILD, and she deserves protection and help, not (only) exposure. How much interaction have you had with people with an autism diagnosis? My experience has been that this sort of intensity, focus and awareness can be very normal. Their brains tend to latch onto one area and remain hyper-focused in that one area. I don’t find anything odd or uncomfortable about her speech given what is known about her. Well, my son is 20 now, so about 20 years of interaction. 😊 That is why it makes me feel that this passion mag actually something more compulsive.
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Post by refugeepea on Sept 24, 2019 20:02:39 GMT
gillyp thank you for sharing her own words. I can completely relate to the parents response!
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Post by refugeepea on Sept 24, 2019 20:05:44 GMT
Well, my son is 20 now, so about 20 years of interaction. 😊 That is why it makes me feel that this passion mag actually something more compulsive. That's what is hard about Autism. It's a spectrum disorder. I do see my daughter in this girl. When there's a mass shooting, she will sometimes break down sobbing. It's been a rough four years in the United States. There does need to be some balance, but for now, Greta seems to be empowered.
ETA: I do understand your concern. I would NEVER use my son as a cause for anything. He's non verbal, highly anxious, and prefers home. It would be a true nightmare traveling with him.
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Post by refugeepea on Sept 24, 2019 20:07:39 GMT
What makes you think that Sweden follows the American Psychiatric Association DSM 5 ? I would imagine they have their own Diagnostic Manual. Was that directed towards me?
ETA: Never mind, I saw Kristin's response. I thought within the medical community, there was a more comprehensive effort to use the same diagnostic criteria.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 24, 2019 20:08:09 GMT
A 16-year old has concerns about climate change because she's going to have to live with the consequences. The 70 and 80 year olds in power don't really need to worry about that - maybe we should start sharing our concerns that they are being manipulated in their dotage? This old white female is doing her best to take care of the planet. I am hampered by others. I limit my waste/trash as best I can, but our recycling pickup is not going so well here. I drink tap water, I cannot make others do.
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What makes you think that Sweden follows the American Psychiatric Association DSM 5 ? I would imagine they have their own Diagnostic Manual. Possibly, although a quick google search indicates that Sweden does use the DSM 5 for clinical purposes. I was responding more to you since you seemed to be discounting the diagnosis/claim of a diagnosis of Autism, saying that it was actually Asperger's. I wasn't discounting the word Autism but pointing out that Asperger Syndrome is a branch of the Autism Spectrum Disorder with a certain diagnosis in so far as it's condition is similar to autism in some aspects but without clinically significant language delay after the toddler years. People with Asperger Syndrome usually have no general cognitive delay, meaning their overall IQ is usually in the normal range or above and very often of very high intelligence. Just because they put them both under the same name doesn't mean there is no significant difference within the spectrum.
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Post by refugeepea on Sept 24, 2019 20:32:14 GMT
I wasn't discounting the word Autism but pointing out that Asperger Syndrome is a branch of the Autism Spectrum Disorder with a certain diagnosis in so far as it's condition is similar to autism in some aspects but without clinically significant language delay after the toddler years. People with Asperger Syndrome usually have no general cognitive delay, meaning their overall IQ is usually in the normal range or above and very often of very high intelligence. Just because they put them both under the same name doesn't mean there is no significant difference within the spectrum. Except that the Asperger Syndrome diagnosis no longer exists (in the U.S.). I don't know about the rest of the world. My daughter does prefer the term, but because the DSM has changed I now say high functioning Autism when dealing with her medical needs.
To me, it doesn't bother me as much because it is a spectrum disorder. She's high, her brother is low. It bothers her, because when she hears the word, she thinks of her brother.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 21:21:00 GMT
I wasn't discounting the word Autism but pointing out that Asperger Syndrome is a branch of the Autism Spectrum Disorder with a certain diagnosis in so far as it's condition is similar to autism in some aspects but without clinically significant language delay after the toddler years. People with Asperger Syndrome usually have no general cognitive delay, meaning their overall IQ is usually in the normal range or above and very often of very high intelligence. Just because they put them both under the same name doesn't mean there is no significant difference within the spectrum. Except that the Asperger Syndrome diagnosis no longer exists (in the U.S.). I don't know about the rest of the world. My daughter does prefer the term, but because the DSM has changed I now say high functioning Autism when dealing with her medical needs.
To me, it doesn't bother me as much because it is a spectrum disorder. She's high, her brother is low. It bothers her, because when she hears the word, she thinks of her brother.
I can understand that. There's such a broad length on the spectrum that to me it doesn't make sense not to differentiate between them. They can still be diagnosed as Asperger here although the clinical term is generally referred to as Autism Spectrum Disorder.
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Post by lucyg on Sept 24, 2019 22:08:24 GMT
I'm sorry, I'm going to need you to clarify your comment here. I am unclear on the point you are trying to make. This child has some severe issues that relate to her belief that the world is literally coming to an end (disregard whether or not you believe it to be true or not - this child does and it is the focus of her OCD and possibly depression issues according to her mother). The mother is pushing this child out onto a worldwide stage to not only discuss it over and over again but also to be held up to international discussion and criticism (again right or wrong, it is inevitable). I can't see any positive benefit for the child to be in a position where she is hyperfocusing on the one thing that is causing some severe mental distress in at least one or two ways. Except publicity for mom's book. Yes - - - lots of people write books (*lots* is debatable), but lots of people don't shove the subject of their book into international focus. I haven't checked the stats on the book sales but I think it is safe to say that people who never heard of it have now checked it out. And people who support her have purchased it. I think we have found the potential positive benefit. Any publicity is good publicity. What always amazes me is how low Republicans are willing to go to discredit admirable people on the other side of the aisle who have something important to say.
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Post by dewryce on Sept 24, 2019 22:12:35 GMT
Let's see, child has Aspergers (and states that in her Insta profile) and diagnosed depression, OCD, mutism, and eating disorder. Mom has written a book. Nope, no ulterior agenda here. In one of the articles posted here Greta states the proceeds of the book went to 8 different charities.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 22:21:31 GMT
Let's see, child has Aspergers (and states that in her Insta profile) and diagnosed depression, OCD, mutism, and eating disorder. Mom has written a book. Nope, no ulterior agenda here. In one of the articles posted here Greta states the proceeds of the book went to 8 different charities. The book that hasn't been released yet?
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Post by dewryce on Sept 24, 2019 22:22:42 GMT
I'm sorry, I'm going to need you to clarify your comment here. I am unclear on the point you are trying to make. This child has some severe issues that relate to her belief that the world is literally coming to an end (disregard whether or not you believe it to be true or not - this child does and it is the focus of her OCD and possibly depression issues according to her mother). The mother is pushing this child out onto a worldwide stage to not only discuss it over and over again but also to be held up to international discussion and criticism (again right or wrong, it is inevitable). I can't see any positive benefit for the child to be in a position where she is hyperfocusing on the one thing that is causing some severe mental distress in at least one or two ways. Except publicity for mom's book. Yes - - - lots of people write books (*lots* is debatable), but lots of people don't shove the subject of their book into international focus. I haven't checked the stats on the book sales but I think it is safe to say that people who never heard of it have now checked it out. And people who support her have purchased it. I think we have found the potential positive benefit. Any publicity is good publicity. I think it’s possible her taking control like this actually helping her deal with her stress and feel like she is doing something, it is empowering her. Who is to say that she wouldn’t be worse if she wasn’t doing this? I do not have austism, but I do have a mental illness that sometimes presents with obsessive issues like this. And for me, taking action is the best thing for me. Sitting around trying not to think about it is the absolute worst. What is the alternative? Constant redirection and not allowing her to follow her interests? Telling her not to think about it? Maybe that would work with her. Maybe it wouldn’t. Her parents would know that best. I find it suspicious that so often from the right I hear about parental rights to raise their children as they see fit, especially when it comes to issues like guns. An issue that has the potential to put lives in danger, including that of the child. When it comes to something like this, then they’re concerned and want to put their 2 cents in. I notice so few of them are discussing her well made points, just their concern for her. Misdirection at its finest. Not directed at the OP or you, just a general observation I’ve made on social media today.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 24, 2019 22:24:13 GMT
The book that hasn't been released yet? you've never heard of an advance given to an author when a book deal is signed, I guess...?? eta: and dewryce, how right you are. let's ignore the message altogether and it will go away, right? apparently.
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Post by dewryce on Sept 24, 2019 22:24:22 GMT
In one of the articles posted here Greta states the proceeds of the book went to 8 different charities. The book that hasn't been released yet? I remembered incorrectly. Should have said will be going towards charities.
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Post by lucyg on Sept 24, 2019 22:24:45 GMT
In one of the articles posted here Greta states the proceeds of the book went to 8 different charities. The book that hasn't been released yet? The book that she would have received a large advance for?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 22:24:45 GMT
This child has some severe issues that relate to her belief that the world is literally coming to an end (disregard whether or not you believe it to be true or not - this child does and it is the focus of her OCD and possibly depression issues according to her mother). The mother is pushing this child out onto a worldwide stage to not only discuss it over and over again but also to be held up to international discussion and criticism (again right or wrong, it is inevitable). I can't see any positive benefit for the child to be in a position where she is hyperfocusing on the one thing that is causing some severe mental distress in at least one or two ways. Except publicity for mom's book. es - - - lots of people write books (*lots* is debatable), but lots of people don't shove the subject of their book into international focus. I haven't checked the stats on the book sales but I think it is safe to say that people who never heard of it have now checked it out. And people who support her have purchased it. I think we have found the potential positive benefit. Any publicity is good publicity. What always amazes me is how low Republicans are willing to go to discredit admirable people on the other side of the aisle who have something important to say. . Go on with your woke self.
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