PLurker
Prolific Pea
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Post by PLurker on Oct 5, 2019 15:33:45 GMT
I hear there was a golf cart parade. How cute and fun. How gated community white. How clueless. I'm not sure why you would say Democrats didn't want him to go to The Villages. It sounds like a perfect place for him. I wish he would spend a lot more time there.Let him in and then secure those gates. I hear there was a golf cart parade. How cute and fun. How gated community white. How clueless. <<< exactly
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Post by inkedup on Oct 5, 2019 15:40:53 GMT
Is the "fun" part of this story the part where a bunch of clueless old bigots who depend on social security and medicare vote AGAINST their best interests and support a corrupt, demented douchebag who is gutting the programs they depend on?
Much fun! Super America! Be best!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 5, 2019 15:54:52 GMT
Is the "fun" part of this story the part where a bunch of clueless old bigots who depend on social security and medicare vote AGAINST their best interests and support a corrupt, demented douchebag who is gutting the programs they depend on? Much fun! Super America! Be best! She talks about the huge numbers who think he is wonderful but only 1.06% even belong to the Club, 2100 out of what she claims is 130,000 residents. I doubt that many even attended that rally, there were some empty seats shown on the news. No one was nasty and more than a few did point out that this group of people were clapping and cheering for losses from Medicare and SS, which many others do depend on to LIVE! Funny as in light hearted without nastiness. Nicely pointing out inaccuracies seems ok to me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2019 19:32:56 GMT
They haven’t heard those things because Fox doesn’t report them. (laugh) Yeah. Guaranteed. You know, I can tell from my own experience that seniors get some flack for being out of touch because we’re no longer as sharp as we used to be. BUT, really, there’s no excuse for total ignorance in this day and age with all the technology at people’s fingertips. Every single fiscal year, there’s a freakin' budget proposal that’s released by the WH regardless of whether it’s a Dem or Repub admin, and every single major newspaper and news outlet reports on the cuts. You’d have to be practically living under a rock not to know about them. My mom will be 85 next month and she keeps on top of real news. Since she's living on her own (after my dad died a few years ago), she has become fully aware of what's happening to her Medicare, Social Security, etc......... and she's very well-versed. Too bad more seniors aren't well informed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2019 1:35:24 GMT
LOL! He’s slashing $845 billion from Medicare and $25 billion from Social Security in 2020 if he’s re-elected. Man, some of you in The Village really are clueless, aren’t you? Do yourselves a favor and crack open a newspaper every now and then. From Politico: It's wrong to claim Trump budget cuts $845 billion from Medicare
They find it Mostly False...
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 8, 2019 2:27:35 GMT
LOL! He’s slashing $845 billion from Medicare and $25 billion from Social Security in 2020 if he’s re-elected. Man, some of you in The Village really are clueless, aren’t you? Do yourselves a favor and crack open a newspaper every now and then. From Politico: It's wrong to claim Trump budget cuts $845 billion from Medicare
They find it Mostly False... I sure do feel sorry for those who have to justify trump. It's like there is a comprehension piece of their brains missing or something. THE POINT IS THAT TRUMP IS OUT THERE SCREAMING THAT DEMOCRATS ARE TAKING AWAY AND CUTTING SS, MEDICARE, HEALTHCARE---and they are not. It is TRUMP ADMINISTRATION DOING IT. The republicans are talking out of both sides of their mouths---going on Twitter, attacking Democrat/Independent congresspeople LYING saying that it is them who are trying to end all the benefits, but in reality it is the REPUBLICANS who are saying they are all for preexisting, Medicare expansion, this great big awesome (lying non-exisitent Bullshit) healthcare plan, all the while what they are putting down on paper and trying to ram through the courts and congress is exactly the opposite of what they are saying. $595 BILLION is STILL catastrophic. When people keep up with the charade of "it's not that bad, oh whats a few billion" to cover up the entire point of the message...you enable them to keep on doing it. You are exactly how the republicans want you---dumb.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 8, 2019 2:29:37 GMT
And just in case it has not been mentioned, the point is that Trump lied his ass off to those people in the Villages. And from what I gather, they lapped it up like good little puppies.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2019 20:52:18 GMT
$595 BILLION is STILL catastrophic. When people keep up with the charade of "it's not that bad, oh whats a few billion" to cover up the entire point of the message...you enable them to keep on doing it. You are exactly how the republicans want you---dumb. "Less money for providers, not Medicare patients" "In general, these proposals are in areas where there is evidence we pay providers too much," From Politico: It's wrong to claim Trump budget cuts $845 billion from Medicare They find it Mostly False...
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 9, 2019 9:07:14 GMT
$595 BILLION is STILL catastrophic. When people keep up with the charade of "it's not that bad, oh whats a few billion" to cover up the entire point of the message...you enable them to keep on doing it. You are exactly how the republicans want you---dumb. "Less money for providers, not Medicare patients" "In general, these proposals are in areas where there is evidence we pay providers too much," From Politico: It's wrong to claim Trump budget cuts $845 billion from Medicare They find it Mostly False... And when the providers get less money, who do you think gets increases in charges? A cut of $595 BILLION is huge. Who do you think absorbs those losses? It won’t be the CEO’s or the shareholders. There are going to be less available to patients. Surely you are not that dumb? And trump STILL lied his ass off to the people he was speaking to. And... “Tax legislation approved by the Congress and signed into law by President Trump on December 22, 2017 (P.L. 115-97) will leave Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security vulnerable to benefit cuts because of its dramatic $1.5 trillion increase in the public debt – an increase that will have to be offset in the future. Inevitably, current and future generations of older Americans and people with disabilities will be forced to pay a heavy price for this irresponsible law. “ “Nearly $500 billion in cuts to Medicare over 10 years which would be achieved by ending traditional Medicare and increasing health care costs for beneficiaries.” “On the campaign trail, President Trump made a lot of promises, including the declaration that he would not cut Medicare as president. But that’s exactly what he’s doing with his proposed budget for 2019. Trump’s plan includes $554 billion in cuts to Medicare, the federal health care program that provides insurance to 55 million Americans who are over age 65 or living with disabilities. The program helps ensure that every American can afford doctor’s appointments, medications, and life-saving treatments after they retire or when they are no longer able to work. While some of the proposed changes to Medicare would target reimbursements for doctors to ensure they are not charging too much and would pass rebates along to beneficiaries directly, other program savings come from picking winners and losers around changes to the program’s prescription drug coverage.” —Marketwatch “The budget plan would also make it more difficult for physicians to refer Medicare patients to other providers after they are treated for an acute medical condition. In other words, seniors and people with disabilities would face new obstacles in accessing the care their doctors recommend. With potential outcomes like that, it’s not surprising physicians’ groups stand strongly opposed to Medicare cuts, and AARP has long argued against any reforms that shift costs to Medicare beneficiaries or threaten their access to care. While Trump claims that lowering drug prices is a top priority — it was one of his core campaign and State of the Union promises — his budget doesn’t allow Medicare to fully negotiate directly with pharmaceutical companies — which is widely considered the most effective way to keep prices down. If Medicare could secure the same prices on medications that Medicaid receives, it could save as much as $16 billion every year. The limited measures included in Trump’s plan to lower drug prices might be popular with pharmaceutical companies — a group already enjoying billions in tax breaks under the Republican tax giveaway Trump recently signed into law — and a good talking point for those who don’t look into the details. But it stops significantly short of making the kinds of changes that would make a real difference in drug prices, one of Americans’ top health care and financial concerns. And the changes to Medicare are just a small part of Trump’s budget and just a fraction of the cuts that would hit seniors and people with disabilities particularly hard. It includes Affordable Care Act repeal, which would strip more than 20 million of health care and allow insurance companies to discriminate against those with pre-existing conditions. This has already been rejected by the Senate, and repeal is overwhelmingly opposed by the public. The budget also includes billions in cuts to Social Security insurance and disability benefits, $1.4 trillion in Medicaid cuts, and drastic cuts to nutrition and housing assistance programs that help struggling families and seniors keep food on the table. President Trump wants us to believe that he is serious about improving care for veterans, but this budget includes cuts to programs that many veterans rely on to receive health care. He says that the opioid crisis is a priority for his administration, but deep cuts to Medicaid would only make it harder to access life-saving treatment in the communities hit hardest by the opioid epidemic. He says working families are a priority, but his plan would make it harder for everyday Americans to feed their families, pay the rent, and afford health care. The president is proposing such deep cuts because he needs someone to pay for the massive tax giveaways to the wealthy and Wall Street in his tax bill that have increased the deficit by over $1 trillion. Unfortunately, those left behind by the tax bill are the same people being asked to shoulder the burden of these cuts.” Marketwatch
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 18:49:12 GMT
And the use of the word "cuts" is debatable, because spending rises steadily from year to year in Trump’s proposed 2019-20 budget. The reduction is from the path Medicare would be on, if nothing changed. Slowing the growth of Medicare is an approach President Barack Obama advanced in his last two budgets. (As Obama’s vice president, those were Biden’s budgets, too.)" noted that the administration’s spending plan includes hoped-for savings from changes in medical liability laws, drug regulations and other elements that lie outside of Medicare. Those wouldn’t curtail Medicare services but could result in Medicare cost savings." In general, these proposals are in areas where there is evidence we pay providers too much," Matthew Fiedler, at the Brookings Institution Center for Health Policy "While Democrats criticize Trump for cutting Medicare, Obama regularly offered his own version of steps to rein in the growth of Medicare. In his last budget, Obama proposed trimming spending by about $420 billion over 10 years. In effect, Biden is chastising Trump for something close to the budget he was part of.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 19, 2019 6:25:14 GMT
"Less money for providers, not Medicare patients" "In general, these proposals are in areas where there is evidence we pay providers too much," From Politico: It's wrong to claim Trump budget cuts $845 billion from Medicare They find it Mostly False... And when the providers get less money, who do you think gets increases in charges? A cut of $595 BILLION is huge. Who do you think absorbs those losses? It won’t be the CEO’s or the shareholders. There are going to be less available to patients. Surely you are not that dumb? And trump STILL lied his ass off to the people he was speaking to. And... “Tax legislation approved by the Congress and signed into law by President Trump on December 22, 2017 (P.L. 115-97) will leave Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security vulnerable to benefit cuts because of its dramatic $1.5 trillion increase in the public debt – an increase that will have to be offset in the future. Inevitably, current and future generations of older Americans and people with disabilities will be forced to pay a heavy price for this irresponsible law. “ “Nearly $500 billion in cuts to Medicare over 10 years which would be achieved by ending traditional Medicare and increasing health care costs for beneficiaries.” “On the campaign trail, President Trump made a lot of promises, including the declaration that he would not cut Medicare as president. But that’s exactly what he’s doing with his proposed budget for 2019. Trump’s plan includes $554 billion in cuts to Medicare, the federal health care program that provides insurance to 55 million Americans who are over age 65 or living with disabilities. The program helps ensure that every American can afford doctor’s appointments, medications, and life-saving treatments after they retire or when they are no longer able to work. While some of the proposed changes to Medicare would target reimbursements for doctors to ensure they are not charging too much and would pass rebates along to beneficiaries directly, other program savings come from picking winners and losers around changes to the program’s prescription drug coverage.” —Marketwatch “The budget plan would also make it more difficult for physicians to refer Medicare patients to other providers after they are treated for an acute medical condition. In other words, seniors and people with disabilities would face new obstacles in accessing the care their doctors recommend. With potential outcomes like that, it’s not surprising physicians’ groups stand strongly opposed to Medicare cuts, and AARP has long argued against any reforms that shift costs to Medicare beneficiaries or threaten their access to care. While Trump claims that lowering drug prices is a top priority — it was one of his core campaign and State of the Union promises — his budget doesn’t allow Medicare to fully negotiate directly with pharmaceutical companies — which is widely considered the most effective way to keep prices down. If Medicare could secure the same prices on medications that Medicaid receives, it could save as much as $16 billion every year. The limited measures included in Trump’s plan to lower drug prices might be popular with pharmaceutical companies — a group already enjoying billions in tax breaks under the Republican tax giveaway Trump recently signed into law — and a good talking point for those who don’t look into the details. But it stops significantly short of making the kinds of changes that would make a real difference in drug prices, one of Americans’ top health care and financial concerns. And the changes to Medicare are just a small part of Trump’s budget and just a fraction of the cuts that would hit seniors and people with disabilities particularly hard. It includes Affordable Care Act repeal, which would strip more than 20 million of health care and allow insurance companies to discriminate against those with pre-existing conditions. This has already been rejected by the Senate, and repeal is overwhelmingly opposed by the public. The budget also includes billions in cuts to Social Security insurance and disability benefits, $1.4 trillion in Medicaid cuts, and drastic cuts to nutrition and housing assistance programs that help struggling families and seniors keep food on the table. President Trump wants us to believe that he is serious about improving care for veterans, but this budget includes cuts to programs that many veterans rely on to receive health care. He says that the opioid crisis is a priority for his administration, but deep cuts to Medicaid would only make it harder to access life-saving treatment in the communities hit hardest by the opioid epidemic. He says working families are a priority, but his plan would make it harder for everyday Americans to feed their families, pay the rent, and afford health care. The president is proposing such deep cuts because he needs someone to pay for the massive tax giveaways to the wealthy and Wall Street in his tax bill that have increased the deficit by over $1 trillion. Unfortunately, those left behind by the tax bill are the same people being asked to shoulder the burden of these cuts.” Marketwatch Same facts as my last post. (And from truthful/accurate sources) Classic GIA...slinks back in after a thread has run its course to try to rehash 10 days after the fact.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 21:28:30 GMT
Same facts as my last post. (And from truthful/accurate sources) Are you seriously insinuating Politico is not accurate or truthful?
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Post by pierkiss on Oct 19, 2019 21:43:13 GMT
You guys should elect him to be the president of the villages! He will have all the adoration he can stand, and you guys can continue having a giant love fest for him all the time! Then the rest of the country can have a president who doesn’t suck at his job or at being a decent human. It’s a win for everyone!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 20, 2019 1:28:46 GMT
Same facts as my last post. (And from truthful/accurate sources) Are you seriously insinuating Politico is not accurate or truthful? Comprehension problem on your end? I CLEARLY stated that the facts from my last post were from accurate/truthful sources. Same MO as Gia—trying to change what someone wrote, and was explicitly clear about.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 1:54:32 GMT
Are you seriously insinuating Politico is not accurate or truthful? Comprehension problem on your end? I CLEARLY stated that the facts from my last post were from accurate/truthful sources. Same MO as Gia—trying to change what someone wrote, and was explicitly clear about. I didn't change anything, I asked you a question about what it seemed like you were implying. If you weren't, then you weren't, but don't then in turn do what you're accusing me of.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 20, 2019 3:17:05 GMT
Comprehension problem on your end? I CLEARLY stated that the facts from my last post were from accurate/truthful sources. Same MO as Gia—trying to change what someone wrote, and was explicitly clear about. I didn't change anything, I asked you a question about what it seemed like you were implying. If you weren't, then you weren't, but don't then in turn do what you're accusing me of. Hi GIA! 👋🏻
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Post by quinlove on Oct 20, 2019 3:50:11 GMT
I didn't change anything, I asked you a question about what it seemed like you were implying. If you weren't, then you weren't, but don't then in turn do what you're accusing me of. Hi GIA! 👋🏻
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