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Post by lucyg on Oct 7, 2019 1:50:32 GMT
P.S. in case it isn’t clear, I didn’t vote for Bernie because I don’t like him, not because he isn’t a Democrat. But he and his supporters have a crap ton of chutzpah expecting the Democratic party to welcome him into the fold, let alone make special allowances to make sure he’s on the Dem ballot in every state, even the ones that don’t actually allow it. His problem, not the Dems.
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Post by likescarrots on Oct 7, 2019 3:22:08 GMT
You all sound just as pitiful and brainwashed as republicans who voted for trump because he's got the R and god forbid they vote for a D. When your party loses again because you put up mediocre candidates that don't have the country's best interests at heart, we'll just hear you complaining about the bernie bros again. You never learn. Bernie never would have won in 2016, and he won’t win in 2020, either. Not nearly enough people agree with you about him. I do appreciate the “pitiful and brainwashed” description, though. Now I know not to take anything you say about politics seriously.  Likewise, from someone who not only voted for republicans but liked them so much they were once registered as one... |
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Post by marimoose on Oct 7, 2019 3:42:33 GMT
Add me to the list that says Bernie is too old. I thought he was old the first time and I still feel he is too old and now he has the heart attack health issue. I am always befuddled as to why so many young people are pro Bernie. Honestly, though I Like Biden, I think both he and Warren are also out of the age I want to see heading our country. I believe we need fresh young blood with new ideas and for me that would be Buttigieg. My son likes Yang. My youngest likes Biden but she is watching all the candidates when I asked her if she would vote for her Grandpa for president and she laughed and stated a firm no. I told her to make herself aware of all candidates so she is informed as she votes.
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Post by bothmykidsrbrats on Oct 7, 2019 4:48:07 GMT
Bernie never would have won in 2016, and he won’t win in 2020, either. Not nearly enough people agree with you about him. I do appreciate the “pitiful and brainwashed” description, though. Now I know not to take anything you say about politics seriously. Likewise, from someone who not only voted for republicans but liked them so much they were once registered as one... I was a registered republican and my first vote at 18 was for Regan. Most young people got sucked into their parents politics, before the internet and cable TV. I am now 53 and lean further left than my 21 & 17 year old children. Do you really not think people can evolve and grow? I find the best part of aging is gaining experience and the wisdom that comes with it. I registered as a democrat to vote for Bill Clinton, and seriously considered voting for McCain. Thank you sir, for picking Palin as your VP. It made voting for Obama easy, and I was excited to do it a second time. This will be the first time in my life (and I show up to vote for dog catcher, if there is an election) I VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO, and it kind of make me ill that we are here. As for Bernie, he is a good man, but he changes his party like his underpants, not from wisdom, but for convenience, and/or necessity. |
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Post by lucyg on Oct 7, 2019 5:10:48 GMT
Bernie never would have won in 2016, and he won’t win in 2020, either. Not nearly enough people agree with you about him. I do appreciate the “pitiful and brainwashed” description, though. Now I know not to take anything you say about politics seriously. Likewise, from someone who not only voted for republicans but liked them so much they were once registered as one... So you’re both anti-Democrat and anti-Republican? Okay. I’m never going to meet your standards. |
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Post by roberta on Oct 7, 2019 5:15:06 GMT
I like Bernie but, heart issue aside, I think it is time for a younger generation of people in Washington. He should bow out and continue to be a Senator and fight for his constituents and the American people in general. Agree |
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Post by roberta on Oct 7, 2019 5:17:28 GMT
Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat, he should not be the democrat candidate for president. Agree Look what happened with the republicans |
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Post by compeateropeator on Oct 7, 2019 12:41:19 GMT
I do not think Bernie is a viable candidate this election. My opinion on all of the comments relating to his not being a democrat is that he very much falls into the democratic spectrum. If he did not you would not be talking about him now, as you would still not know who he was. There have been numerous “ true democrats” (as many put it) who have not been able to make the numbers that he has in the party. We are still are a two party system (IMO). He is most often on the side of the democrats and has voted and pushed for legislation that follow their doctrines. Many people who are complaining that he is not a democrat have also berated and trashed people who voted third party because they didn’t agree with Hillary’s nomination. IMO, you can’t have it both ways. I understand I am probably in the minority with this opinion. I am ready for the backlash and prepared to take my beating.   |
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Post by artgirl1 on Oct 7, 2019 13:15:05 GMT
I can assure you he is not just covered by Medicare, probably not using it at all! He has his federal health insurance! Actually, Medicare would pay the first 80%, then the private (federal health insurance) would pay the balance. Anyone 65 an older must use Medicare first. |
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Post by artgirl1 on Oct 7, 2019 13:20:52 GMT
When your party loses again because you put up mediocre candidates that don't have the country's best interests at heart[/b] Assumption that the Dems will lose, but the most telling part of that statement is bolded. Trump is the definition of mediocre and not having the countries best interests at heart. |
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Post by likescarrots on Oct 7, 2019 14:03:32 GMT
When your party loses again because you put up mediocre candidates that don't have the country's best interests at heartAssumption that the Dems will lose, but the most telling part of that statement is bolded. Trump is the definition of mediocre and not having the countries best interests at heart. the two aren't mutually exclusive. Clinton was a hawk who voted for an Iraq war that she knew was bullshit, but cared more about her future electability than multiple generations of soldiers who would have to bear the weight of war if they made it back in the first place. She also took millions of dollars to speak at events for insurance companies. The same companies that we all pay our premiums to every month and they turn around and deny our treatments, denying responsibility for our health. She took that money knowing that we pay into that and it should be going back out for people's medical bills. I don't know about you, but I don't pay hundreds of dollars every month for insurance companies to pay big money for their executives to hear other rich people give speeches and rub elbows with politicians that have direct influence on their market. And then she had the nerve to mock Sanders for attempting to fix this corruption by proposing public options. Donald Trump being a terrible human doesn't make any given Democrat a saint. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 7, 2019 14:59:51 GMT
I can assure you he is not just covered by Medicare, probably not using it at all! He has his federal health insurance! Actually, Medicare would pay the first 80%, then the private (federal health insurance) would pay the balance. Anyone 65 an older must use Medicare first. You have to sign up for Medicare at 65 and not use it as long as you are working you can stay on your employers insurance. I did as do others. And a PSA, make sure you do sign up for Medicare at 65. Not doing so carries penalties and they get worse every year that passes! |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 7, 2019 17:15:49 GMT
It’s funny watching Republicans/conservatives who continue to bring up Hillary in their defense of trump and everything that is horrific of the Republican Party.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 7, 2019 17:19:28 GMT
Assumption that the Dems will lose, but the most telling part of that statement is bolded. Trump is the definition of mediocre and not having the countries best interests at heart. the two aren't mutually exclusive. Clinton was a hawk who voted for an Iraq war that she knew was bullshit, but cared more about her future electability than multiple generations of soldiers who would have to bear the weight of war if they made it back in the first place. She also took millions of dollars to speak at events for insurance companies. The same companies that we all pay our premiums to every month and they turn around and deny our treatments, denying responsibility for our health. She took that money knowing that we pay into that and it should be going back out for people's medical bills. I don't know about you, but I don't pay hundreds of dollars every month for insurance companies to pay big money for their executives to hear other rich people give speeches and rub elbows with politicians that have direct influence on their market. And then she had the nerve to mock Sanders for attempting to fix this corruption by proposing public options. Donald Trump being a terrible human doesn't make any given Democrat a saint. So, the majority of Republicans have taken millions upon millions from the NRA, yet they refuse to help the majority of Americans who are begging for sensible gun control—they actively are allowing murders to happen on a daily basis. You trying to redirect the focus on a woman who is not even in a political office now to justify something totally irrelevant to the topic is just pathetically grasping. |
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Post by likescarrots on Oct 7, 2019 19:15:45 GMT
the two aren't mutually exclusive. Clinton was a hawk who voted for an Iraq war that she knew was bullshit, but cared more about her future electability than multiple generations of soldiers who would have to bear the weight of war if they made it back in the first place. She also took millions of dollars to speak at events for insurance companies. The same companies that we all pay our premiums to every month and they turn around and deny our treatments, denying responsibility for our health. She took that money knowing that we pay into that and it should be going back out for people's medical bills. I don't know about you, but I don't pay hundreds of dollars every month for insurance companies to pay big money for their executives to hear other rich people give speeches and rub elbows with politicians that have direct influence on their market. And then she had the nerve to mock Sanders for attempting to fix this corruption by proposing public options. Donald Trump being a terrible human doesn't make any given Democrat a saint. So, the majority of Republicans have taken millions upon millions from the NRA, yet they refuse to help the majority of Americans who are begging for sensible gun control—they actively are allowing murders to happen on a daily basis. You trying to redirect the focus on a woman who is not even in a political office now to justify something totally irrelevant to the topic is just pathetically grasping. I'm sorry if you have trouble following a conversation but we were discussing Democratic candidates and since the Democrats currently do not have one, their previous choice, who they worked very hard to put in that position, will have to do for now. Get back to me when y'all put up Biden and I'll have plenty more where that came from. And if your previous post was referring to me, try again, I'm not and will never be a conservative/Republican and nowhere did I defend Donald Trump. Your party seems to forget that a large part of this country is independent and thinks they automatically deserve our votes just because they're slightly better than the Republicans. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 7, 2019 20:51:52 GMT
So, the majority of Republicans have taken millions upon millions from the NRA, yet they refuse to help the majority of Americans who are begging for sensible gun control—they actively are allowing murders to happen on a daily basis. You trying to redirect the focus on a woman who is not even in a political office now to justify something totally irrelevant to the topic is just pathetically grasping. I'm sorry if you have trouble following a conversation but we were discussing Democratic candidates and since the Democrats currently do not have one, their previous choice, who they worked very hard to put in that position, will have to do for now. Get back to me when y'all put up Biden and I'll have plenty more where that came from. And if your previous post was referring to me, try again, I'm not and will never be a conservative/Republican and nowhere did I defend Donald Trump. Your party seems to forget that a large part of this country is independent and thinks they automatically deserve our votes just because they're slightly better than the Republicans. Um...seems like you’re the one who isn’t able to follow a discussion... Hillary is NOT a candidate. (And trying to go back to make comparisons is pretty, well...dumb.) You can have your opinion that Bernie is the be all, do all, end all perfect candidate—but you have absolutely no room to declare that the Democrats haven’t put up good candidates. |
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Post by Gennifer on Oct 7, 2019 21:44:34 GMT
Your party seems to forget that a large part of this country is independent and thinks they automatically deserve our votes just because they're slightly better than the Republicans. Again, I’m not a Democrat, but I just would love some clarification here. You wouldn’t vote for the better candidate? Why? Also, in no way are any of the current candidates only “slightly” better. WTF are you smoking? |
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Post by likescarrots on Oct 7, 2019 22:18:28 GMT
Your party seems to forget that a large part of this country is independent and thinks they automatically deserve our votes just because they're slightly better than the Republicans. Again, I’m not a Democrat, but I just would love some clarification here. You wouldn’t vote for the better candidate? Why? Also, in no way are any of the current candidates only “slightly” better. WTF are you smoking? I will always vote for who I think is the best candidate. It may just not be the democratic candidate. (It will never be the republican). |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 22:57:22 GMT
Again, I’m not a Democrat, but I just would love some clarification here. You wouldn’t vote for the better candidate? Why? Also, in no way are any of the current candidates only “slightly” better. WTF are you smoking? I will always vote for who I think is the best candidate. It may just not be the democratic candidate. (It will never be the republican). Ah so you’re one of those who waste votes. Spin it anyway you want but only one of two candidates will win. It will either be trump or the nameless Democrat. So if you won’t vote for trump , the Republican, and will not vote for the nameless Democrat if you don’t see him or her as the best candidate, then you are wasting your vote and therefore are part of the problem. |
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