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Post by gar on Oct 8, 2019 23:30:00 GMT
Jeez, don’t you bore yourself with regurgitating this stuff over and over every few months? And before you ask - no, contributors to the anti trump threads can’t afford the luxury of that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2019 23:35:00 GMT
Bwahahahaha! Complete and total bullshit. Since you have no history here on the board under a name that you claim, all we have to judge your comments on is what you have posted under this name. Which bears NO evidence to this fictional claim. You want “credit” and for people to believe what you claim about yourself? Take the time to contribute to the community. I haven’t seen you on any of the health issues threads, for example. Or relationships with family members. Or divorce issues. Or parenting issues. You are a 1-trick pony troll that doesn’t deserve the bandwidth I spent to type this out. Apparently it's my turn to remind everyone here not to engage. Just walk away, folks. Bravo! No contribution to the discussion? Just vilify anyone with an opposing viewpoint, that'll prove you're right and they're wrong. I do participate in other places, but funny you don't hold people that your thoughts align with to the same standard. There are people you agree with that don't participate in nonpolitical threads and I don't see you telling them that, so your double standard is meaningless. Ding ding ding she’s Gia. You just gave yourself away.
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Post by elaine on Oct 8, 2019 23:45:49 GMT
Bwahahahaha! Complete and total bullshit. Since you have no history here on the board under a name that you claim, all we have to judge your comments on is what you have posted under this name. Which bears NO evidence to this fictional claim. You want “credit” and for people to believe what you claim about yourself? Take the time to contribute to the community. I haven’t seen you on any of the health issues threads, for example. Or relationships with family members. Or divorce issues. Or parenting issues. You are a 1-trick pony troll that doesn’t deserve the bandwidth I spent to type this out. Apparently it's my turn to remind everyone here not to engage. Just walk away, folks. Bravo! No contribution to the discussion? Just vilify anyone with an opposing viewpoint, that'll prove you're right and they're wrong. I do participate in other places, but funny you don't hold people that your thoughts align with to the same standard. There are people you agree with that don't participate in nonpolitical threads and I don't see you telling them that, so your double standard is meaningless. Yawn. 1-trick pony-dom on display.
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 9, 2019 0:22:32 GMT
But it’s okay for Trump to “joke around” by publicly asking hostile nations to interfere in our elections, right? And there was enough just in the phone call summary supplied by the White House to impeach him. “I need a favor from you, though ...” Let alone what gets uncovered by the follow-up investigation, should the WH quit blocking their people from testifying and trying to claim the House doesn’t have the right to impeach him. Four more years of this crap, and we WILL be a dictatorship. Not a fake one like you people tried to pin on Obama, but a real one, where they lock up political opponents and unfriendly journalists. Was Trump claiming to be joking? I don't think he did. Asking for help in uncovering criminal behavior is not an impeachable offense, it's his damn job. And do you think that just because someone is running for office that makes them above the law? Wrong. He was trying to use foreign governments to find dirt on a political rival.That is in no way his job. I would also like to know why the recordings of that call were stored on a super classified computer.
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 9, 2019 0:24:02 GMT
Apparently it's my turn to remind everyone here not to engage. Just walk away, folks. You're right. I slipped.
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Post by peasquared on Oct 9, 2019 0:31:24 GMT
But it’s okay for Trump to “joke around” by publicly asking hostile nations to interfere in our elections, right? And there was enough just in the phone call summary supplied by the White House to impeach him. “I need a favor from you, though ...” Let alone what gets uncovered by the follow-up investigation, should the WH quit blocking their people from testifying and trying to claim the House doesn’t have the right to impeach him. Four more years of this crap, and we WILL be a dictatorship. Not a fake one like you people tried to pin on Obama, but a real one, where they lock up political opponents and unfriendly journalists. Was Trump claiming to be joking? I don't think he did. Asking for help in uncovering criminal behavior is not an impeachable offense, it's his damn job. And do you think that just because someone is running for office that makes them above the law? Ha Ha ha ha ha!! That's funny!
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Post by LiLi on Oct 9, 2019 0:32:15 GMT
Bravo! No contribution to the discussion? Just vilify anyone with an opposing viewpoint, that'll prove you're right and they're wrong. No ... See ... You're probably one of two people; and I haven't seen you wishing death on children, so it's an easy guess. She knows who you are. You come here to argue, insult and call people hypocrites. So, since that is your whole purpose of conversing here, it is better to just not engage.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 0:50:00 GMT
Jeez, don’t you bore yourself with regurgitating this stuff over and over every few months? And before you ask - no, contributors to the anti trump threads can’t afford the luxury of that. Neither can people with a different opinion than that of the echo chamber here. Ding ding ding she’s Gia. You just gave yourself away. Great, now that you're sure of who I am do you understand what other reason the state department could have for doing this? 1-trick pony-dom on display. Yes, you sure are. Do you have anything to contribute to the actual discussion or is your only contribution to berate opposing viewpoints? Wrong. He was trying to use foreign governments to find dirt on a political rival.That is in no way his job. I would also like to know why the recordings of that call were stored on a super classified computer. Just because you're running for office does not mean you're above the law. If Biden did what he's on video claiming, he needs to be held accountable. No ... See ... You're probably one of two people; and I haven't seen you wishing death on children, so it's an easy guess. She knows who you are. You come here to argue, insult and call people hypocrites. So, since that is your whole purpose of conversing here, it is better to just not engage. Wrong. I came here to discuss, I wasn't the one who was insulting anyone. I stuck to the topic of discussion, if someone can't deal with a difference of opinion and has nothing to back up their claim so they resort to insults and vilifying the person with a different opinion... that's on them. Not me.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 9, 2019 1:01:13 GMT
But it’s okay for Trump to “joke around” by publicly asking hostile nations to interfere in our elections, right? And there was enough just in the phone call summary supplied by the White House to impeach him. “I need a favor from you, though ...” Let alone what gets uncovered by the follow-up investigation, should the WH quit blocking their people from testifying and trying to claim the House doesn’t have the right to impeach him. Four more years of this crap, and we WILL be a dictatorship. Not a fake one like you people tried to pin on Obama, but a real one, where they lock up political opponents and unfriendly journalists. Was Trump claiming to be joking? I don't think he did. Asking for help in uncovering criminal behavior is not an impeachable offense, it's his damn job. And do you think that just because someone is running for office that makes them above the law? Yesterday (I think it was yesterday? It is confusing because they change their story all of the time) he and other Republicans used the "he was joking" excuse as one of their many defenses.
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 9, 2019 1:04:47 GMT
Jeez, don’t you bore yourself with regurgitating this stuff over and over every few months? And before you ask - no, contributors to the anti trump threads can’t afford the luxury of that. Neither can people with a different opinion than that of the echo chamber here. Ding ding ding she’s Gia. You just gave yourself away. Great, now that you're sure of who I am do you understand what other reason the state department could have for doing this? 1-trick pony-dom on display. Yes, you sure are. Do you have anything to contribute to the actual discussion or is your only contribution to berate opposing viewpoints? Wrong. He was trying to use foreign governments to find dirt on a political rival.That is in no way his job. I would also like to know why the recordings of that call were stored on a super classified computer. Just because you're running for office does not mean you're above the law. If Biden did what he's on video claiming, he needs to be held accountable. No ... See ... You're probably one of two people; and I haven't seen you wishing death on children, so it's an easy guess. She knows who you are. You come here to argue, insult and call people hypocrites. So, since that is your whole purpose of conversing here, it is better to just not engage. Wrong. I came here to discuss, I wasn't the one who was insulting anyone. I stuck to the topic of discussion, if someone can't deal with a difference of opinion and has nothing to back up their claim so they resort to insults and vilifying the person with a different opinion... that's on them. Not me. I know I shouldn’t, but... You don’t seem to grasp the main point. It’s one thing to investigate Joe Biden and/or his son-through the proper channels. It is quite another thing for a president to ask a foreign government to help him find dirt on a political opponent. He is using the power of his office to help himself. It’s not an ok thing to do.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 1:04:50 GMT
Was Trump claiming to be joking? I don't think he did. Asking for help in uncovering criminal behavior is not an impeachable offense, it's his damn job. And do you think that just because someone is running for office that makes them above the law? Yesterday (I think it was yesterday? It is confusing because they change their story all of the time) he and other Republicans used the "he was joking" excuse as one of their many defenses. Do you have a link for that because I can find nothing where he did that?
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Post by elaine on Oct 9, 2019 1:12:31 GMT
Jeez, don’t you bore yourself with regurgitating this stuff over and over every few months? And before you ask - no, contributors to the anti trump threads can’t afford the luxury of that. Neither can people with a different opinion than that of the echo chamber here. Ding ding ding she’s Gia. You just gave yourself away. Great, now that you're sure of who I am do you understand what other reason the state department could have for doing this? 1-trick pony-dom on display. Yes, you sure are. Do you have anything to contribute to the actual discussion or is your only contribution to berate opposing viewpoints? Wrong. He was trying to use foreign governments to find dirt on a political rival.That is in no way his job. I would also like to know why the recordings of that call were stored on a super classified computer. Just because you're running for office does not mean you're above the law. If Biden did what he's on video claiming, he needs to be held accountable. No ... See ... You're probably one of two people; and I haven't seen you wishing death on children, so it's an easy guess. She knows who you are. You come here to argue, insult and call people hypocrites. So, since that is your whole purpose of conversing here, it is better to just not engage. Wrong. I came here to discuss, I wasn't the one who was insulting anyone. I stuck to the topic of discussion, if someone can't deal with a difference of opinion and has nothing to back up their claim so they resort to insults and vilifying the person with a different opinion... that's on them. Not me. I have absolutely nothing to contribute to this discussion in response to you or anything you say under this new ID. You want to talk politics with me? Grow a pair and contribute to the community under this ID for a year or two or own up to who you are. I have contributed plenty to political threads here, in addition to a multitude of other threads. Go read them if you want to hear what I have to say on a wide variety of topics. I owe you nothing. No respect. No credibility. Nothing. You can ask me to jump, and I’ll sit here and yawn at you. You can go ahead and reap what you sow, while whining and complaining loudly, as you always have when faced with the consequences of your words and actions.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 1:14:25 GMT
Neither can people with a different opinion than that of the echo chamber here. Great, now that you're sure of who I am do you understand what other reason the state department could have for doing this? Yes, you sure are. Do you have anything to contribute to the actual discussion or is your only contribution to berate opposing viewpoints? Just because you're running for office does not mean you're above the law. If Biden did what he's on video claiming, he needs to be held accountable. Wrong. I came here to discuss, I wasn't the one who was insulting anyone. I stuck to the topic of discussion, if someone can't deal with a difference of opinion and has nothing to back up their claim so they resort to insults and vilifying the person with a different opinion... that's on them. Not me. I know I shouldn’t, but... You don’t seem to grasp the main point. It’s one thing to investigate Joe Biden and/or his son-through the proper channels. It is quite another thing for a president to ask a foreign government to help him find dirt on a political opponent. He is using the power of his office to help himself. It’s not an ok thing to do. That's not what he asked. Biden is on video bragging about getting the investigator in Ukraine fired by withholding aid. Trump asked for help from Ukraine to look into that possible criminal behavior. The fact that he's running for office doesn't excuse him from being investigated.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 9, 2019 1:17:02 GMT
Yesterday (I think it was yesterday? It is confusing because they change their story all of the time) he and other Republicans used the "he was joking" excuse as one of their many defenses. Do you have a link for that because I can find nothing where he did that? Google “president trump joking about asking China for help” and you will get a variety of sources
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 9, 2019 1:19:28 GMT
@lovetherain Biden was sent by the Senate to do the job! That's not what he asked. Biden is on video bragging about getting the investigator in Ukraine fired by withholding aid. Trump asked for help from Ukraine to look into that possible criminal behavior. The fact that he's running for office doesn't excuse him from being investigated. History of firing Ukraine prosecutor ......... Biden et al... Keep in mind the name Sen Ron Johnson!! Republican senators echoed Biden in urging Ukrainian president to reform prosecutor general's officeBy Andrew Kaczynski and Em Steck, CNN Updated 2:40 PM ET, Thu October 3, 2019 (CNN)A newly unearthed letter from 2016 shows that Republican senators pushed for reforms to Ukraine's prosecutor general's office and judiciary, echoing calls then-Vice President Joe Biden made at the time. CNN's KFile found a February 2016 bipartisan letter signed by several Republican senators that urged then-Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to "press ahead with urgent reforms to the Prosecutor General's office and judiciary."The letter shows that addressing corruption in Ukraine's Prosecutor General's office had bipartisan support in the US and further undercuts a baseless attack made by President Donald Trump and his allies that Biden pressured the Ukrainian government to fire then Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin to stop investigations into a Ukrainian natural gas company that his son, Hunter Biden, sat on the board of. There is no evidence of wrongdoing by either Joe or Hunter Biden, nor is it clear whether Hunter was under investigation at all.Trump called the 2016 dismissal of the Ukrainian prosecutor "unfair" in his July 25 call to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, saying, "A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved," according to the rough transcript of the phone call. The 2016 letter, sent by members of the Senate Ukraine Caucus, was signed by Republican Sens. Rob Portman, Mark Kirk and Ron Johnson, as well as Democratic Sens. Dick Durbin, Jeanne Shaheen, Chris Murphy, Sherrod Brown, and Richard Blumenthal and focused on longstanding issues of corruption in Ukraine and urged reforms of the government."Succeeding in these reforms will show Russian President Vladimir Putin that an independent, transparent and democratic Ukraine can and will succeed," the letter reads. "It also offers a stark alternative to the authoritarianism and oligarchic cronyism prevalent in Russia. As such, we respectfully ask that you address the serious concerns raised by Minister Abromavičius. We similarly urge you to press ahead with urgent reforms to the Prosecutor General's Office and judiciary. The unanimous adoption by the Cabinet of Ministers of the Basic Principles and Action Plan is a good step." Kirk is no longer in Congress. But Johnson signed onto a letter with Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley last week to Attorney General Bill Barr asking him to investigate, in part, allegations surrounding Biden and Ukraine. Johnson's office did not respond to a request for comment. Portman's office did not comment. Ukraine's legislature voted to fire Shokin in March 2016, a month after the letter was sent. More at link: cnn.com/2019/10/03/politics/gop-senators-echoed-biden-on-ukraine-reforms-kfile/index.htmlAnother one coming!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 1:27:03 GMT
Do you have a link for that because I can find nothing where he did that? Google “president trump joking about asking China for help” and you will get a variety of sources I thought we were talking about the phone call to Ukraine and Gordon Sondland’s scheduled testimony on Capitol Hill about it? That was the entire point of the thread.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 1:33:04 GMT
Google “president trump joking about asking China for help” and you will get a variety of sources I thought we were talking about the phone call to Ukraine and Gordon Sondland’s scheduled testimony on Capitol Hill about it? That was the entire point of the thread. It is. As to your question “ do you understand what other reason the state department could have for doing this?” I’m sure I know where you are going with it.
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 9, 2019 1:37:36 GMT
I know I shouldn’t, but... You don’t seem to grasp the main point. It’s one thing to investigate Joe Biden and/or his son-through the proper channels. It is quite another thing for a president to ask a foreign government to help him find dirt on a political opponent. He is using the power of his office to help himself. It’s not an ok thing to do. That's not what he asked. Biden is on video bragging about getting the investigator in Ukraine fired by withholding aid. Trump asked for help from Ukraine to look into that possible criminal behavior. The fact that he's running for office doesn't excuse him from being investigated. Oy. Possible criminal behavior of Joe Biden and his son. Trump cannot ask a foreign govt to investigate a political rival. If any investigation were to take place, it would be done by the FBI/Justice. I give up. Read this: qz.com/1719034/trump-and-ukraine-the-complete-impeachment-timeline/
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 9, 2019 2:08:56 GMT
She cannot understand the above article where Biden did what THE SENATE including republicans sent him to do and THAT is what he bragged about, which BTW was taken out of context!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 2:13:49 GMT
That's not what he asked. Biden is on video bragging about getting the investigator in Ukraine fired by withholding aid. Trump asked for help from Ukraine to look into that possible criminal behavior. The fact that he's running for office doesn't excuse him from being investigated. Oy. Possible criminal behavior of Joe Biden and his son. Trump cannot ask a foreign govt to investigate a political rival. If any investigation were to take place, it would be done by the FBI/Justice. I give up. Read this: qz.com/1719034/trump-and-ukraine-the-complete-impeachment-timeline/Yes, he can. From Politico:"Is it ever appropriate for a U.S. president to ask a foreign government to investigate a political rival? Democrats seem to assume the answer is no, that this kind of request could never be proper, given the implications for our electoral system." "History shows that a president sometimes might be justified in asking a foreign country to investigate a political rival, including a former vice president. So, the mere fact of Trump’s request for an investigation into the Bidens, without considering the circumstances of the request, is not enough to impeach him."
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 9, 2019 2:16:35 GMT
Here is a video discussing Graham inviting Rudy to a Senate Judiciary hearing... www.msnbc.com/hallie-jackson/watch/sen-lindsey-graham-invites-rudy-giuliani-to-appear-before-senate-judiciary-on-ukraine-70850629711?cid=referral_taboolafeedWASHINGTON — Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said Tuesday that he would invite Rudy Giuliani, President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, to testify before his committee about corruption in Ukraine.
Graham said on Twitter that he would extend the invite after hearing “disturbing allegations” about corruption in Ukraine and “the many improprieties surrounding the firing of former Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin." Lindsey Graham
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He suggested that the hearing would be an attempt to rebut the narrative emerging from the impeachment inquiry being conducted by House Democrats. “Therefore I will offer to Mr. Giuliani the opportunity to come before the Senate Judiciary Committee to inform the committee of his concerns,” he said. “Unlike the House of Representatives, I’m tired of only hearing one side of the story. It’s now time to give voice to everything Ukraine. Let the chips fall where they may!” he added in a tweet soon after. A spokesman for Graham said it had not yet been determined whether Giuliani would appear in a closed or open session, or exactly when he might offer testimony. ** www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/graham-says-he-ll-invite-giuliani-testify-about-corruption-ukraine-n1063786
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Post by Merge on Oct 9, 2019 2:18:37 GMT
Neither can people with a different opinion than that of the echo chamber here. Great, now that you're sure of who I am do you understand what other reason the state department could have for doing this? Yes, you sure are. Do you have anything to contribute to the actual discussion or is your only contribution to berate opposing viewpoints? Just because you're running for office does not mean you're above the law. If Biden did what he's on video claiming, he needs to be held accountable. Wrong. I came here to discuss, I wasn't the one who was insulting anyone. I stuck to the topic of discussion, if someone can't deal with a difference of opinion and has nothing to back up their claim so they resort to insults and vilifying the person with a different opinion... that's on them. Not me. I know I shouldn’t, but... You don’t seem to grasp the main point. It’s one thing to investigate Joe Biden and/or his son-through the proper channels. It is quite another thing for a president to ask a foreign government to help him find dirt on a political opponent. He is using the power of his office to help himself. It’s not an ok thing to do. And dangling millions in taxpayer money as the carrot for helping him. Vastly different from a campaign hiring a private citizen to do oppo research using its own campaign funds.
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Post by samantha25 on Oct 9, 2019 2:24:49 GMT
Don't engage... don't do it... THey/it/she/he will just derail.... Walk away... (as sung by Joe Walsh).... sing it! WALK AWAY... Post your best responses via great song lyrics
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 9, 2019 2:34:12 GMT
ost your best responses via great song lyrics "Let it Go" <--- to "love the rain" (or whoever you are) how's that?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 2:34:20 GMT
Yes, he can. From Politico:"Is it ever appropriate for a U.S. president to ask a foreign government to investigate a political rival? Democrats seem to assume the answer is no, that this kind of request could never be proper, given the implications for our electoral system." "History shows that a president sometimes might be justified in asking a foreign country to investigate a political rival, including a former vice president. So, the mere fact of Trump’s request for an investigation into the Bidens, without considering the circumstances of the request, is not enough to impeach him." From your article... “”But the real answer to this question is more complicated. History shows that a president sometimes might be justified in asking a foreign country to investigate a political rival, including a former vice president. So, the mere fact of Trump’s request for an investigation into the Bidens, without considering the circumstances of the request, is not enough to impeach him.In order to prove Trump abused his presidential powers to the point that he no longer can be trusted in exercising them—the constitutional standard for impeachment—Congress must establish Trump’s intent in making the request. Was it done in good faith, with U.S. foreign or domestic interests in mind, or in bad faith, merely for Trump’s personal and political benefit? To prove the latter, Congress can’t rely on Trump’s words alone; it must show that the charges of corruption against the Bidens are baseless and that Trump’s request to Ukraine is part of a pattern of bad faith demonstrating that the nation no longer can tolerate his incumbency.”If anyone thinks trump cares about “corruption “ other then how it benefits him personally then they are nuts. This was a clear case of abusing presidential powers for personal gain. In the same phone call he asked about the conspiracy theory to be investigated involving a firm called Crowdstrike . (You can read his comments about this on the catch all thread). Or google trump’s insurance policy. Basically what it was, Russia did not hack the DNC’s servers, the DNC did and blamed Russia for it and somehow this ended up in Ukraine. The plan, I think, was if trump was elected president then the DNC was somehow use this to impeach trump.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 3:09:23 GMT
Yes, he can. From Politico:"Is it ever appropriate for a U.S. president to ask a foreign government to investigate a political rival? Democrats seem to assume the answer is no, that this kind of request could never be proper, given the implications for our electoral system." "History shows that a president sometimes might be justified in asking a foreign country to investigate a political rival, including a former vice president. So, the mere fact of Trump’s request for an investigation into the Bidens, without considering the circumstances of the request, is not enough to impeach him." From your article... “”But the real answer to this question is more complicated. History shows that a president sometimes might be justified in asking a foreign country to investigate a political rival, including a former vice president. So, the mere fact of Trump’s request for an investigation into the Bidens, without considering the circumstances of the request, is not enough to impeach him.In order to prove Trump abused his presidential powers to the point that he no longer can be trusted in exercising them—the constitutional standard for impeachment—Congress must establish Trump’s intent in making the request. Was it done in good faith, with U.S. foreign or domestic interests in mind, or in bad faith, merely for Trump’s personal and political benefit? To prove the latter, Congress can’t rely on Trump’s words alone; it must show that the charges of corruption against the Bidens are baseless and that Trump’s request to Ukraine is part of a pattern of bad faith demonstrating that the nation no longer can tolerate his incumbency.”If anyone thinks trump cares about “corruption “ other then how it benefits him personally then they are nuts. This was a clear case of abusing presidential powers for personal gain. In the same phone call he asked about the conspiracy theory to be investigated involving a firm called Crowdstrike . (You can read his comments about this on the catch all thread). Or google trump’s insurance policy. Basically what it was, Russia did not hack the DNC’s servers, the DNC did and blamed Russia for it and somehow this ended up in Ukraine. The plan, I think, was if trump was elected president then the DNC was somehow use this to impeach trump. Yes, there is more in the article, that's why I linked the whole thing. But in answer to Molly coddle's statement that Trump cannot ask a foreign govt to investigate a political rival. It appears that yes, he can.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 4:04:40 GMT
From your article... “”But the real answer to this question is more complicated. History shows that a president sometimes might be justified in asking a foreign country to investigate a political rival, including a former vice president. So, the mere fact of Trump’s request for an investigation into the Bidens, without considering the circumstances of the request, is not enough to impeach him.In order to prove Trump abused his presidential powers to the point that he no longer can be trusted in exercising them—the constitutional standard for impeachment—Congress must establish Trump’s intent in making the request. Was it done in good faith, with U.S. foreign or domestic interests in mind, or in bad faith, merely for Trump’s personal and political benefit? To prove the latter, Congress can’t rely on Trump’s words alone; it must show that the charges of corruption against the Bidens are baseless and that Trump’s request to Ukraine is part of a pattern of bad faith demonstrating that the nation no longer can tolerate his incumbency.”If anyone thinks trump cares about “corruption “ other then how it benefits him personally then they are nuts. This was a clear case of abusing presidential powers for personal gain. In the same phone call he asked about the conspiracy theory to be investigated involving a firm called Crowdstrike . (You can read his comments about this on the catch all thread). Or google trump’s insurance policy. Basically what it was, Russia did not hack the DNC’s servers, the DNC did and blamed Russia for it and somehow this ended up in Ukraine. The plan, I think, was if trump was elected president then the DNC was somehow use this to impeach trump. Yes, there is more in the article, that's why I linked the whole thing. But in answer to Molly coddle's statement that Trump cannot ask a foreign govt to investigate a political rival. It appears that yes, he can. Yes with limitations. It’s always those pesky little details that can bite you in the ass.
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Post by lucyg on Oct 9, 2019 6:32:23 GMT
ugh, I just can’t. Will be back in the AM. Good night.
(@fred, please clarify on that post so no one gets confused ... that is a fringey conspiracy theory, not an actual recounting of what happened with Crowdstrike and Ukraine and the DNC.)
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 9, 2019 8:45:20 GMT
Yes, he can. From Politico:"Is it ever appropriate for a U.S. president to ask a foreign government to investigate a political rival? Democrats seem to assume the answer is no, that this kind of request could never be proper, given the implications for our electoral system." "History shows that a president sometimes might be justified in asking a foreign country to investigate a political rival, including a former vice president. So, the mere fact of Trump’s request for an investigation into the Bidens, without considering the circumstances of the request, is not enough to impeach him." Did you read the rest of it? Congress must examine Trump's intent. Congress has Volker's testimony and at some point, State will have to turn over Sondland's texts and allow him to testify. Giuliani will eventually have to testify, too. The intent is already pretty clear. Look, this is pointless. I'm done.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 8:58:36 GMT
I know I shouldn’t, but... You don’t seem to grasp the main point. It’s one thing to investigate Joe Biden and/or his son-through the proper channels. It is quite another thing for a president to ask a foreign government to help him find dirt on a political opponent. He is using the power of his office to help himself. It’s not an ok thing to do. That's not what he asked. Biden is on video bragging about getting the investigator in Ukraine fired by withholding aid. Trump asked for help from Ukraine to look into that possible criminal behavior. The fact that he's running for office doesn't excuse him from being investigated. You really need to do far more fact checking before you comment on something that you obviously have very little knowledge of. Please explain how Biden would ask a prosecutor to drop a case that had already been dropped before Biden's son was appointed to the board of Burmisa Holdings. How can anyone ask someone to stop doing something when they're not actually doing in the first place? In fact not only was he not investigating Burisma Holdings he wasn't investigating any corruption charges about anyone. That was the reason he needed to be removed. Shokin was removed from office because HE HIMSELF WAS CORRUPT. The Anti Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, the IMF and the EU each wanted him removed. You can look at it in a way that Biden was just the " messenger boy" on behalf of all of them in a way. He just seemed to have more clout with the threat of withholding aid at the time and had nothing to do with his son whatsoever. So please. read a bit more about what actually happened and that goes for Trump and his band of merry men too.
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