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Post by lucyg on Oct 19, 2019 21:25:23 GMT
“We now know that 3 Democrat senators actually wrote the administration in Ukraine, just last year, saying we want to withhold your aid unless you're willing to fully cooperate with the Mueller investigation. That's an actual quid pro quo.”Apparently you do. I’m just asking where specifically it is in the letter. I do not think there is a quid pro quo in the phone call transcript, do you? The “transcript” was not a transcript, it was an edited summary. And the law says there doesn’t have to be an overt demand for a quid pro quo ... the implicit hint is enough. And I don’t believe there was an illegal quid pro quo demand in the letter, either ... I don’t have it in front of me right now. But try to remember, they weren’t asking for something illegal or to benefit themselves. Because I think you keep forgetting.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 21:51:52 GMT
You might want to review the public response to these Mulvaney statements by just about everyone, including congressional Republicans, before taking this stance. You might want to listen to what he actually said and not the talking points fed to you by the left wing media. the Ukrainians have investigated and cleared Biden, Show me where he's been cleared. The “transcript” was not a transcript, it was an edited summary. And the law says there doesn’t have to be an overt demand for a quid pro quo ... the implicit hint is enough.If that's the case, that DOES exist in the letter and also from Sen. Chris Murphy: "Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) delivered a pointed message to Ukraine’s new president, Volodymyr Zelensky. While choosing his words carefully, Murphy made clear — by his own account — that Ukraine currently enjoyed bipartisan support for its U.S. aid but that could be jeopardized if the new president acquiesced to requests by President Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani to investigate past corruption allegations involving Americans, including former Vice President Joe Biden’s family." But try to remember, they weren’t asking for something illegal or to benefit themselves. Because I think you keep forgetting. I think you keep forgetting that everything the Democrats have done since even before Trump was elected, was to benefit themselves in their quest to overturn the election.
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Post by elaine on Oct 19, 2019 22:28:45 GMT
I just love that you chose to comment on this thread and bring it back up to the top when it hadn't been commented on in days, but are strangely silent on the threads that about all the other shit Trump has pulled/done in the last week. SMH
Classic GIA. I noted the same thing on another thread. It’s almost as if she’s active for a week, then disappears for about 10 days or so, then comes back. It was exactly the same schedule as Gia . And the only echo chamber is lovetherain/Gia just like she was when she posted under that and mytnice. Gia’s changed ID’s several times. It has been interesting to note that “love” is a popular word to work into new id’s by the right wingers who left the board under their known user names and have decided to resurface. Lovetocolor and Lovetherain being two of them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 23:39:16 GMT
“We now know that 3 Democrat senators actually wrote the administration in Ukraine, just last year, saying we want to withhold your aid unless you're willing to fully cooperate with the Mueller investigation. That's an actual quid pro quo.”Apparently you do. I’m just asking where specifically it is in the letter. I do not think there is a quid pro quo in the phone call transcript, do you? First, so you agree that you were wrong saying the Democrats, in their letter, threatened to withhold the aid unless they cooperated with the Mueller investigation? Second, yes. This is from the catch all thread where I posted just trump’s comments. These comments are from the transcript released by the White House. “From the phone call transcript. These are just trump’s comments..”The President: Well it is very nice of you to say that. I will say that we do a lot for Ukraine. We spend a lot of effort and a lot of time. Much more than the European countries are doing and they should be helping you more than they are. Germany does almost nothing for you. All they do is talk and I think it's something that you should really ask them about. When I was speaking to Angela Merkel she talks Ukraine, but she ·doesn't do anything. A lot of the European countries are the same way so I think it's something you want to look at but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine. I wouldn't say that it's reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine.”“The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it if that's possible.”“The President: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me.”
“The President: Well, she's going to go through some things. I will have Mr. Giuliani give you a call and I am also going to have Attorney General Barr call and we will get to the bottom of it. I'm sure you will figure it out. I heard the prosecutor was treated very badly and he was a very fair prosecutor so good luck with everything. Your economy is going to get better and better I predict. You have a lot of assets. It's a great country. I have many Ukrainian friends, their incredible people.”Sounds like something a mafia boss would say.Did he say we won’t give you the aid unless you do this for me? Even trump isn’t that stupid. But he clearly implied that he expected something from Ukraine in returned for the US’s help, in this case the military aid.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 20, 2019 0:39:18 GMT
You might want to review the public response to these Mulvaney statements by just about everyone, including congressional Republicans, before taking this stance. You might want to listen to what he actually said and not the talking points fed to you by the left wing media. I watched Mulvaney LIVE on TV, he agreed to reporters' asment that it was Quid Pro Quo! "Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) delivered a pointed message to Ukraine’s new president, Volodymyr Zelensky. While choosing his words carefully, Murphy made clear — by his own account — that Ukraine currently enjoyed bipartisan support for its U.S. aid but that could be jeopardized if the new president acquiesced to requests by President Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani to investigate past corruption allegations involving Americans, including former Vice President Joe Biden’s family." Yuu do understand that BIpartisan means BOTH PARTIES, right? Not just SEn Murphy, BOTH PARTIES!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 0:49:46 GMT
"Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) delivered a pointed message to Ukraine’s new president, Volodymyr Zelensky. While choosing his words carefully, Murphy made clear — by his own account — that Ukraine currently enjoyed bipartisan support for its U.S. aid but that could be jeopardized if the new president acquiesced to requests by President Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani to investigate past corruption allegations involving Americans, including former Vice President Joe Biden’s family." Yuu do understand that BIpartisan means BOTH PARTIES, right? Not just SEn Murphy, BOTH PARTIES! You do understand that isn't the RELEVANT point in that quote, right?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 20, 2019 3:19:25 GMT
Gia’s back!
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Post by elaine on Oct 20, 2019 3:31:21 GMT
So, we have someone here who thinks we should continue to provide aid to a country if it actively interferes with our elections.
eta: To be clear, threatening to withhold aid if a foreign country actively interferes in our elections is NOT the equivalent of threatening to withhold aid if a foreign country refuses to actively interfere with our election to benefit one candidate.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 20, 2019 3:33:28 GMT
Hunter Biden didn’t violate anything. Hunter Biden 'did not violate anything,' former Ukrainian prosecutor says via nbcnews - www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/hunter-biden-did-not-violate-anything-former-ukrainian-prosecutor-says-n1059136In fact, the investigation into the corruption in Ukraine that Joe Biden, along with many other world leaders was pushing, was OVER 2 years before Hunter started work with the Ukraine company. And it’s pathetic to watch a few right wingers here spend so much effort and energy defending the epic lying, gaslighting, and corruption by this Republican administration. And the false equivalence on the “THE BOTH PARTIES- BOTH PARTIES bipartisan support” screaming from GIA is not what she’s trying to imply—and she knows it but she’s always a Gaslighter... trump was asking for the Ukraine yo investigate and find dirt on the Bidens—his political rival in an upcoming election. No democrat sought out the Ukraine to dig dirt in any of their political rivals. For trump and Rudy’s bullshit, it was for trumps personal gain.
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Post by lucyg on Oct 20, 2019 6:41:48 GMT
You might want to review the public response to these Mulvaney statements by just about everyone, including congressional Republicans, before taking this stance. You might want to listen to what he actually said and not the talking points fed to you by the left wing media. My left-wing media showed me the actual press briefing, not half-baked conspiracy theories and vague innuendos. I saw it with my own eyes and heard it with my own ears. He most certainly answered the question, “was there a quid pro quo during the phone call,” with “yes” and “everyone does it” and he finished up with “get over it.”the Ukrainians have investigated and cleared Biden, Show me where he's been cleared. No. Just no. No more wild goose chases to try to prove something you should already know. I spend 20 minutes hunting, bring it here, and then you have another demand. This is the least important thing I said. Go research it your own self if you want to know. Otherwise you can ignore it.The “transcript” was not a transcript, it was an edited summary. And the law says there doesn’t have to be an overt demand for a quid pro quo ... the implicit hint is enough.If that's the case, that DOES exist in the letter and also from Sen. Chris Murphy: "Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) delivered a pointed message to Ukraine’s new president, Volodymyr Zelensky. While choosing his words carefully, Murphy made clear — by his own account — that Ukraine currently enjoyed bipartisan support for its U.S. aid but that could be jeopardized if the new president acquiesced to requests by President Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani to investigate past corruption allegations involving Americans, including former Vice President Joe Biden’s family." I have already addressed this somewhere above. Maybe more than once. NOT CORRUPTION. You don’t seem to be able to tell the difference between the Democrats asking for honest behavior on the part of the Ukrainians, and Trump’s self-dealing and corruption. Again: there was no evidence of Joe Biden doing anything wrong. Trump and Giuliani were chasing down allegations made by crazed right-wing conspiracy-mongers. There was no truth to them. All the normal people knew that. Trump’s own people were freaking out about the phone call. This wasn’t something the Democrats made up.But try to remember, they weren’t asking for something illegal or to benefit themselves. Because I think you keep forgetting. I think you keep forgetting that everything the Democrats have done since even before Trump was elected, was to benefit themselves in their quest to overturn the election. Not even worth figuring out what you’re talking about, let alone arguing over.
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Post by femalebusiness on Oct 20, 2019 18:36:26 GMT
Classic GIA. I noted the same thing on another thread. It’s almost as if she’s active for a week, then disappears for about 10 days or so, then comes back. It was exactly the same schedule as Gia . And the only echo chamber is lovetherain/Gia just like she was when she posted under that and mytnice. Gia’s changed ID’s several times. It has been interesting to note that “love” is a popular word to work into new id’s by the right wingers who left the board under their known user names and have decided to resurface. Lovetocolor and Lovetherain being two of them. I say the same thing about these old/new posters that I say about trump. They are who they are and will not change but they would have no platform if people ignored them. trump would have no power if people didn't vote for and support him. I will never understand giving those people credibility by arguing with them or repeating every moronic thing they say or that trump tweets. Pay attention to what is going on yes, but helping them with their agenda by giving them a platform, No. Those who support and give credibility to the BS and argue are the ones who are being manipulated.
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