RosieKat
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Post by RosieKat on Oct 16, 2019 23:13:44 GMT
I have a couple of people I know IRL that I'm going to hit up as well, but since the Peas are pretty well read, thought I'd ask here.
It's become increasingly clear to me that I don't know a whole lot about modern (post WW2) history. I'm not oblivious, but I never had anything in school (back when there were 35 fewer years there to study) and I don't generally gravitate towards history.
I'm probably primarily interested in US/US related history as a starting point, but I'm open. Historical fiction is fine if it's heavy on the historical accuracy. I'm good at checking to see what is real and what was imaginary. Please nothing overly detailed at this point - I may come back and ask for more later! Ask for clarification if desired, I know this is pretty open ended here!
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Post by danalz on Oct 16, 2019 23:19:04 GMT
I read "upstairs at the White House" which is written by the head Butler at the White house through several administrations. It gave a different perspective on the presidents and first ladies over several decades.
Not a typical "history" type book but I enjoyed it as a history buff.
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Post by Belle on Oct 17, 2019 0:00:04 GMT
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Post by lucyg on Oct 17, 2019 0:16:45 GMT
I don’t have any specific book recommendations for you. But I would try to read up on McCarthyism, the Cold War, the Civil Rights movement, the Summer of Love + Woodstock, the second-wave women’s rights movement, Watergate, the Iranian revolution, the rise of modern Christian evangelicalism and the Moral Majority, the gay rights movement and AIDS, the fall of the Soviet Union, the regional ethnic wars of the ’90s, al-Qaida and 9/11, the historic election of Barack Obama, and the explosion of technology during all that time frame. Also most of the post-war presidents would make really interesting reading.
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RosieKat
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Post by RosieKat on Oct 17, 2019 0:18:38 GMT
I don’t have any specific book recommendations for you. But I would try to read up on McCarthyism, the Cold War, the Civil Rights movement, the Summer of Love + Woodstock, the second-wave women’s rights movement, Watergate, the Iranian revolution, the rise of modern Christian evangelicalism and the Moral Majority, the gay rights movement and AIDS, the fall of the Soviet Union, the regional ethnic wars of the ’90s, al-Qaida and 9/11, the historic election of Barack Obama, and the explosion of technology during all that time frame. Also most of the post-war presidents would make really interesting reading. That's a great breakdown. I definitely know something about all of it, and a fair amount on a few things, but I'm just learning how to fit all the puzzle pieces together.
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Post by lucyg on Oct 17, 2019 0:21:00 GMT
I’ll try to make a book list for you when I get home. ETA another great topic is how much society changed (freaked out) when the soldiers came home in ’45 and ’46. The women had been working in factories and running society and their own homes for the first time, and the men had been all over the world, experiencing new stuff and being terrorized by war. They wanted their jobs back. We went from liberation back to housewives, popping out loads of babies, in the blink of an eye. Interesting times.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 0:26:04 GMT
There is a book called white trash. It is kind of interesting.
Bury my heart at wounded knee.
Cod, the history of a fish.
Salt
The greatest generation.
Maria tallchief’s biography is really interesting.
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Post by hmp on Oct 17, 2019 5:27:20 GMT
On the Civil Rights Movement: Anything by Taylor Branch. He is a superb writer. Don’t let the size of his books alarm you. They are easy to read and even the chapters are broken into smaller sub-sections. His are the only books where I’ve gladly read the footnotes because they add so much to the story. Books are: Parting the Waters, Pillar of Fire, At Canaan’s Edge. They cover 1954-1968.
Anything by David McCullough. Another great historian who writes like a storyteller. I would read them all. Even the earlier historical periods will make it easier to understand the whys and wherefores of post WWII America. Don’t bother reading the footnotes. For later history read: Truman, Mornings on Horseback, The Path Between the Seas, The Great Bridge, The Johnstown Flood, The Greater Journey, The Pioneers.
To go along with White Trash (a study on class & wealth in America) take a look at How the Other Half Lives by Jacob A. Riis. He was a photo journalist in New York City at the turn of the 20th century and documented the lower east side slums. Lots of fascinating photos in this book.
For 20th Century Culture: George Washington Slept Here by Karla Ann Marling. A great & at times humorous look at how Americans manipulate history for social & political purposes.
Russell Lynes’ book The Tastemakers is a study in American popular taste. Covers housing, art, fashion, the suburbs, Hollywood, sports...
Witold Rybczynski’s books Home and The Most Beautiful House in the World. Both examine the history of how we make, personalize, and define home.
I strongly encourage you to read The Constitution & all the amendments before embarking on this adventure. It’s a remarkable document that drives almost all our societal & political outcomes (or our reactions to these outcomes). I make a point of reading it at least once a year. I’m always amazed at how people interpret the same words in such disparate ways.
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Post by lucyg on Oct 17, 2019 5:31:32 GMT
Thank you, hmp! (I mean from me, too.)
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milocat
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Post by milocat on Oct 17, 2019 13:38:14 GMT
You said, historical fiction is fine. Heavy on historical accuracy. Not overly detailed. Not sure if this fits that description.
The Last Aloha by Gaellen Quinn is about how the US overtook the Hawaiian royalty and took Hawaii as a state. It is a fiction book but had enough facts in it that you felt like you learnt what happened. It's been a few years since I read it, I enjoyed the book. I still remember the overarching details of how it happened. For me that's what I want from historical fiction, some people pick the books apart say this and this detail weren't 100% accurate, well I'm only going to remember the overview of what I read anyway. If I was an expert in that area I probably wouldn't be trying to learn through a fluffier way of fiction.
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Post by artgirl1 on Oct 17, 2019 15:13:49 GMT
I would recommend:
The Looming Towers- Al-Quaida and the Road to 9/11 by Lawrence Wright. It was also a Huu miniseries, but the book really outlines the conditions the developed into the 9/11 attack, and also the lack of cooperation between many US agencies in information sharing that may have stopped the attack.
I would also recommend you check books written by any major player in any of the past administrations. For instance, Worthy Fights by Leon Panetta covers his career as member of Congress, Budget Director for Clinton, then Chief of Staff, and then CIA Director and Secretary of Defense, under Obama. You really get the nuances of different decisions, when yu read the perspective of the support staff.
I would also get my hands on The Dummies Guide to Modern History or 21st Century. It helps to have the timeline handy to put whatever you read in perspective.
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Post by Linda on Oct 17, 2019 16:12:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 17:01:43 GMT
Another yes to dummies guide. So much info those books.
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Post by flanz on Oct 17, 2019 17:15:41 GMT
I don’t have any specific book recommendations for you. But I would try to read up on McCarthyism, the Cold War, the Civil Rights movement, the Summer of Love + Woodstock, the second-wave women’s rights movement, Watergate, the Iranian revolution, the rise of modern Christian evangelicalism and the Moral Majority, the gay rights movement and AIDS, the fall of the Soviet Union, the regional ethnic wars of the ’90s, al-Qaida and 9/11, the historic election of Barack Obama, and the explosion of technology during all that time frame. Also most of the post-war presidents would make really interesting reading. Great list!
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Post by refugeepea on Oct 17, 2019 18:23:26 GMT
It is a very big book, I had to read it in small doses to get through everything. TONS of information. I'm glad you posted this. Historical fiction is my favorite genre, but I haven't read much past WWII as well.
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Post by ExpatBackHome on Oct 17, 2019 20:36:10 GMT
Following this thread and making my list too! Thanks everyone for your input.
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Post by lucyg on Oct 17, 2019 21:25:08 GMT
I’m bookmarking, too. I need to read more of these!
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 17, 2019 21:44:00 GMT
I don't have any recommendations for you, but I will be watching this thread, too, because I'm really not up on modern history either. I'd say I know some stuff about history from a 'history of design' sense, since I'm interested in fashion / architecture / antiques / collectibles, but 'history' as in 'historical events' and/or 'politics' not so much. ETA another great topic is how much society changed (freaked out) when the soldiers came home in ’45 and ’46. The women had been working in factories and running society and their own homes for the first time, and the men had been all over the world, experiencing new stuff and being terrorized by war. They wanted their jobs back. We went from liberation back to housewives, popping out loads of babies, in the blink of an eye. Interesting times. yes! this situation, the rise of suburbia, car culture, changes in advertising, new products, etc. is absolutely fascinating to me. One of my favorite books related to this is titled Populuxe. Not necessarily a serious history book, but a good look at the changes that happened in the decades after WWII thru looking at shopping, advertising, furnishings, and design.
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Post by auntkelly on Oct 18, 2019 0:15:20 GMT
I think Robert Caro's series of books about the life of Lyndon Baines Johnson is a great way to learn about American history from the Great Depression through the Vietnam War. The books are beautifully written and meticulously researched.
There is one classic chapter in one of the books where Caro describes what it was like to be a farm wife in the Texas Hill Country before electricity was available in that area. That chapter was exhausting to read and will stick with me for the rest of my life. (As a young Congressman, LBJ worked to bring electrification to the Hill Country. Caro wrote the chapter to show why LBJ's constituents were always so loyal to him). In preparation for writing that chapter Caro moved to the Hill Country and lived there for three years.
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Post by SweetieBugs on Oct 18, 2019 0:20:09 GMT
I read "upstairs at the White House" which is written by the head Butler at the White house through several administrations. It gave a different perspective on the presidents and first ladies over several decades. Not a typical "history" type book but I enjoyed it as a history buff. I read this a few years back and really, really enjoyed it. That man had such interesting and special access to the First Families over a 30 year or so span of time.
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 18, 2019 0:57:49 GMT
So I fully admit to being a dork, but I like Bob Woodward. All the Presidents Men and The Secret Man
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Mystie
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Post by Mystie on Oct 18, 2019 3:48:19 GMT
Post WW-II history has been my jam for years. I recently read The Accidental President by AJ Baime, about Harry Truman and the first months of his presidency, and I highly recommend it, not just for Truman's story, but for a very well-explained overview of the huge issues at the end of WW II, and the early days of the atomic era and what became the Cold War. These are all things we still feel the results of today.
A few others I've read in the past couple of years: The Great Believers by Rebecca Makkai, historical fiction about the early years of the AIDS crisis and the way it decimated the gay community.
High Noon: The Hollywood Blacklist and the Making of an American Classic by Glenn Frankel. If you don't know much about the McCarthy era, this is an interesting way to dip your toe in. The author talks about the impact of McCarthy's Communist witch hunt on the world of Hollywood by zeroing in on the movie High Noon and how it came to be written and filmed.
American Heiress by Jeffrey Toobin, non-fiction about Patricia Hearst's kidnapping...lots of good info about the crazy post-hippie fringe culture of the early 1970s.
The Worst Hard Time by Timothy Egan...not post war, but worth reading about the Great Depression and the Dust Bowl.
Last Train to Memphis by Peter Guralnick, about the early years of Elvis Presley and the world of the 1950s.
No Ordinary Time, by Doris Kearns Goodwin, about FDR and Eleanor Roosevelt and their working partnership through his presidencies, again not postwar, but important stuff.
It's not a book, but I highly recommend watching Ken Burn's documentary miniseries about the Vietnam War that came out last year. It covers so much history from the 50s to the 70s and it's incredible. And there are some episodes of American Experience that are streamable on Prime and maybe PBS, too, great ways to learn about various historical topics.
Old movies are also great and easy ways to learn about history. "The Best Years of Our Lives" was made right after WWII and tells the stories of three soldiers coming home and trying to adjust. "The Manchurian Candidate" reveals a lot about the paranoia of the Cold War years."Seven Days in May" is about the foiling of a right-wing military coup and the tension between pro-war and disarmament people in the early 60s. I know you weren't looking for movies, but sometimes one needs a break from reading!
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Post by lucyg on Oct 18, 2019 4:10:53 GMT
Mystie, that is a great book list, thanks! And funny, I was also going to recommend American Experience. For anyone who doesn’t know, it’s a 2-hr (usually) show on PBS, that covers some specific event or time period in American history, and they are all fabulous. Some famous things and some almost entirely unknown. I have my DVR set to record them all. If you’re interested in U.S. history, you should be watching American Experience for sure.
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Post by ~summer~ on Oct 18, 2019 4:51:51 GMT
We have a ridiculous amount of history books, these are quite long but very good, a few suggestions: - No Ordinary Time (this book is excellent: www.amazon.com/No-Ordinary-Time-Franklin-Roosevelt/dp/0684804484)- Dark Sun ("Here, for the first time, in a brilliant, panoramic portrait by the Pulitzer Prize-winning author of The Making of the Atomic Bomb, is the definitive, often shocking story of the politics and the science behind the development of the hydrogen bomb and the birth of the Cold War.) - Parting the Waters (In volume one of his America in the King Years, Pulitzer Prize winner Taylor Branch gives a masterly account of the American civil rights movement.) I'm reading one of the books mentioned above ( Cod: A Biography of the Fish that Changed the World) but I have to say I don't love it....
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Post by monklady123 on Oct 18, 2019 10:46:56 GMT
This is a great thread! Thanks to everyone who offered suggestions. I've made a list.
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Post by milocat on Oct 18, 2019 13:53:46 GMT
It is a very big book, I had to read it in small doses to get through everything. TONS of information. I'm glad you posted this. Historical fiction is my favorite genre, but I haven't read much past WWII as well.
I agree I love historical fiction but most if it is WWII, not even WWI. Or it's English royalty in the 1700s and earlier. Hard to find the rest of the world in different time periods.
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Post by refugeepea on Oct 18, 2019 15:01:46 GMT
English royalty in the 1700s and earlier I've read a few in this time period, and it's not my favorite type of historical fiction. I prefer Charles Dickens types of books where you read more about "the common people."
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Post by mikklynn on Oct 18, 2019 15:05:21 GMT
I suggest US Representative John Lewis' autobiography Walking With the Wind. There are a lot of first hand accounts of the civil rights movement.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 15:12:32 GMT
.) I'm reading one of the books mentioned above ( Cod: A Biography of the Fish that Changed the World) but I have to say I don't love it.... I can’t imagine anybody loving salt or cod. They are as dry as dirt, and I would hate to have him as a professor! BUT the info in those books? Mind blowing.
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Post by ~summer~ on Oct 18, 2019 15:56:23 GMT
.) I'm reading one of the books mentioned above ( Cod: A Biography of the Fish that Changed the World) but I have to say I don't love it.... I can’t imagine anybody loving salt or cod. They are as dry as dirt, and I would hate to have him as a professor! BUT the info in those books? Mind blowing. its probably just me but I’m having a hard time tracking this book. I found “ In the Heart of the Sea: The Tragedy of the Whaleship Essex” super interesting (and obviously historical)
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