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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 12:49:05 GMT
"Spiking drinks with cocaine, shooting Iraqi civilians, strangling a Green Beret: The Navy SEAL teams have been rocked by one high-profile scandal after another in recent months, and the leader of the elite commando force, Rear Adm. Collin P. Green, has vowed to clean house. Admiral Green has come down hard on misconduct, fired two key leaders and made an unusually public admission that the Navy’s secretive warrior caste has an “ethics problem.” At the same time, though, he has steered wide of the SEAL at the center of one of the grimmest episodes, Special Operations Chief Edward Gallagher, who was charged with shooting civilians, murdering a captive Islamic State fighter with a knife, and threatening to kill witnesses. Chief Gallagher was acquitted of murder charges this summer, but evidence that he had engaged in a range of other misconduct, including theft and drug use, had come to light during the investigation. Admiral Green and other Navy leaders were planning to demote him and force him out of the SEALs — sending a message that such conduct had no place in one of the country’s premier fighting forces. None of that has happened, though, because one of Chief Gallagher’s most vocal supporters happens to be the commander in chief. President Trump has repeatedly intervened, and has posted so many expressions of support for the SEAL on Twitter that the Navy now sees Chief Gallagher as untouchable, according to three Navy officials familiar with the case. Any talk of punishment has been shelved, not only for the chief, but for two other SEALs who had been facing possible discipline in the case, these officials said. Mr. Trump helped Chief Gallagher get released from confinement before his trial, and personally congratulated him on Twitter when he was acquitted.
“People want to hold these guys accountable,” said one Navy officer who was involved in the punishment deliberations. “But they are afraid that if you do anything, minutes later there will be a tweet from the White House, and the officer in charge will get axed.”"
www.nytimes.com/2019/10/18/us/edward-gallagher-navy-seal.html
People are afraid to carry out the laws IN A DICTATORSHIP as the law is whatever the DICTATOR says it is.
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Post by peppermintpatty on Oct 18, 2019 12:54:28 GMT
Of course he did. This is what corrupt leaders do. Free the guilty and punish the innocent.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 13:15:41 GMT
Of course he did. This is what corrupt leaders do. Free the guilty and punish the innocent. I don't know why more people don't get where this behavior leads. Condoning savage behavior breeds savages. There is a difference between necessary behavior in war and sadism. |
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Post by lucyg on Oct 19, 2019 20:28:19 GMT
Of course he’s doing this. Is anyone surprised? He’s an idiot and a savage himself. Just, a verbal savage, because he’s too much of a coward to actually put himself in harm’s way.
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 19, 2019 21:09:35 GMT
I read this yesterday. Not okay, but the supporters are so rabid that everything he does is great.
Many of the supporters are filled with such hate.
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Post by elaine on Oct 20, 2019 1:39:34 GMT
Trump cannot garner support from the higher ranking strongly ethical military leaders. And now more and more are publicly jumping ship from support and vocally criticizing Commander Bone Spurs. So, he of course, for payback, is doing everything he can to court the loyalty and support of the few deplorables in uniform.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 20, 2019 1:47:03 GMT
Of course he’s doing this. Is anyone surprised? He’s an idiot and a savage himself. Just, a verbal savage, because he’s too much of a coward to actually put himself in harm’s way. Someone researched and a full 5 generations of his family have not served in the military in any country. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 16:54:47 GMT
It must be so hard to be an operator paid and trained to get things done outside the lines and lauded for it and then be publicly spanked for coloring outside the lines.
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Post by elaine on Oct 20, 2019 17:10:50 GMT
It must be so hard to be an operator paid and trained to get things done outside the lines and lauded for it and then be publicly spanked for coloring outside the lines. I will admit my own stupidity here, but I have absolutely no idea what this means in the context of this thread. Can/will you elucidate? |
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 20, 2019 17:45:36 GMT
It must be so hard to be an operator paid and trained to get things done outside the lines and lauded for it and then be publicly spanked for coloring outside the lines. I will admit my own stupidity here, but I have absolutely no idea what this means in the context of this thread. Can/will you elucidate? Thank you, I am so confused |
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Post by pierkiss on Oct 20, 2019 19:42:53 GMT
It must be so hard to be an operator paid and trained to get things done outside the lines and lauded for it and then be publicly spanked for coloring outside the lines. I will admit my own stupidity here, but I have absolutely no idea what this means in the context of this thread. Can/will you elucidate? I’m guessing it’s because there are some people in the military who are paid to do things outside of the proper channels. Their orders are to get a job done, doesn’t really matter how. So they do it, and get paid, and are praised. Then the world finds out and they are now disciplined for following those orders. |
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Post by lucyg on Oct 20, 2019 20:41:30 GMT
It must be so hard to be an operator paid and trained to get things done outside the lines and lauded for it and then be publicly spanked for coloring outside the lines. I am not going to laud anyone for committing cold-blooded murder of an unarmed person, unless it’s actually part of their orders and their superiors can stand behind them publicly. When their superiors say no, it was just cold-blooded murder and they need to be tried on charges, then nope, I’m not going to feel bad about it. Outright murder isn’t exactly “coloring outside the lines.” And this person currently occupying the White House can’t tell the difference between ethical and unethical behavior. He’s proven that over and over again. |
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Post by elaine on Oct 20, 2019 21:29:55 GMT
I will admit my own stupidity here, but I have absolutely no idea what this means in the context of this thread. Can/will you elucidate? I’m guessing it’s because there are some people in the military who are paid to do things outside of the proper channels. Their orders are to get a job done, doesn’t really matter how. So they do it, and get paid, and are praised. Then the world finds out and they are now disciplined for following those orders. The Seals have a Code. What these men are accused of involves actions that go against the Code. No one ever praised Gallagher for theft, for example. It goes against the Code. No, NO ONE, ever praised or thought of praising them for killing Green Beret Melgar in a hazing incident. No one gave them orders to “get a job done,” because he didn’t give them a ride to an Embassy party. I’ll include part of the story from the Military Times, but will leave out the gruesome facts of the murder because it was hard for even me to read: www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2019/05/16/navy-seal-pleads-guilty-in-strangulation-death-of-green-beret-in-africa/Anyone who buys the confused by “being praised” for engaging in illegal activities and then being publicly punished, especially when those activities have nothing to do with the mission of unit (and in fact go directly against that unit’s code), knows very little about the military. That is why I didn’t understand the reference, because even Navy SEALS have a strong code of honor that they are expected to follow. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 15:00:48 GMT
"The Navy SEALs showed up one by one, wearing hoodies and T-shirts instead of uniforms, to tell investigators what they had seen. Visibly nervous, they shifted in their chairs, rubbed their palms and pressed their fists against their foreheads. At times they stopped in midsentence and broke into tears. “Sorry about this,” Special Operator First Class Craig Miller, one of the most experienced SEALs in the group, said as he looked sideways toward a blank wall, trying to hide that he was weeping. “It’s the first time — I’m really broken up about this.” Video recordings of the interviews obtained by The New York Times, which have not been shown publicly before, were part of a trove of Navy investigative materials about the prosecution of Special Operations Chief Edward Gallagher on war crimes charges including murder.
They offer the first opportunity outside the courtroom to hear directly from the men of Alpha platoon, SEAL Team 7, whose blistering testimony about their platoon chief was dismissed by President Trump when he upended the military code of justice to protect Chief Gallagher from the punishment.
“The guy is freaking evil,” Special Operator Miller told investigators. “The guy was toxic,” Special Operator First Class Joshua Vriens, a sniper, said in a separate interview. “You could tell he was perfectly O.K. with killing anybody that was moving,” Special Operator First Class Corey Scott, a medic in the platoon, told the investigators. Such dire descriptions of Chief Gallagher, who had eight combat deployments and sometimes went by the nickname Blade, are in marked contrast to Mr. Trump’s portrayal of him at a recent political rally in Florida as one of “our great fighters.” Though combat in Iraq barely fazed the SEALs, sitting down to tell Naval Criminal Investigative Service agents about what they had seen their platoon chief do during a 2017 deployment in Iraq was excruciating for them. Not only did they have to relive wrenching events and describe grisly scenes, they had to break a powerful unwritten code of silence in the SEALs, one of the nation’s most elite commando forces. The trove of materials also includes thousands of text messages the SEALs sent one another about the events and the prosecution of Chief Gallagher. Together with the dozens of hours of recorded interviews, they provide revealing insights into the men of the platoon, who have never spoken publicly about the case, and the leader they turned in. " www.nytimes.com/2019/12/27/us/navy-seals-edward-gallagher-video.html |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 27, 2019 15:35:10 GMT
"The Navy SEALs showed up one by one, wearing hoodies and T-shirts instead of uniforms, to tell investigators what they had seen. Visibly nervous, they shifted in their chairs, rubbed their palms and pressed their fists against their foreheads. At times they stopped in midsentence and broke into tears. “Sorry about this,” Special Operator First Class Craig Miller, one of the most experienced SEALs in the group, said as he looked sideways toward a blank wall, trying to hide that he was weeping. “It’s the first time — I’m really broken up about this.” Video recordings of the interviews obtained by The New York Times, which have not been shown publicly before, were part of a trove of Navy investigative materials about the prosecution of Special Operations Chief Edward Gallagher on war crimes charges including murder.
They offer the first opportunity outside the courtroom to hear directly from the men of Alpha platoon, SEAL Team 7, whose blistering testimony about their platoon chief was dismissed by President Trump when he upended the military code of justice to protect Chief Gallagher from the punishment.
“The guy is freaking evil,” Special Operator Miller told investigators. “The guy was toxic,” Special Operator First Class Joshua Vriens, a sniper, said in a separate interview. “You could tell he was perfectly O.K. with killing anybody that was moving,” Special Operator First Class Corey Scott, a medic in the platoon, told the investigators. Such dire descriptions of Chief Gallagher, who had eight combat deployments and sometimes went by the nickname Blade, are in marked contrast to Mr. Trump’s portrayal of him at a recent political rally in Florida as one of “our great fighters.” Though combat in Iraq barely fazed the SEALs, sitting down to tell Naval Criminal Investigative Service agents about what they had seen their platoon chief do during a 2017 deployment in Iraq was excruciating for them. Not only did they have to relive wrenching events and describe grisly scenes, they had to break a powerful unwritten code of silence in the SEALs, one of the nation’s most elite commando forces. The trove of materials also includes thousands of text messages the SEALs sent one another about the events and the prosecution of Chief Gallagher. Together with the dozens of hours of recorded interviews, they provide revealing insights into the men of the platoon, who have never spoken publicly about the case, and the leader they turned in. " www.nytimes.com/2019/12/27/us/navy-seals-edward-gallagher-video.htmlAnd Gallagher, in true trump fashion, is attacking them by saying that they formed a plot against him so as to cover up the entire platoons “failures” and performance. "My first reaction to seeing the videos was surprise and disgust that they would make up blatant lies about me, but I quickly realized that they were scared that the truth would come out of how cowardly they acted on deployment," he said. "I felt sorry for them that they thought it necessary to smear my name, but they never realized what the consequences of their lies would be." One needs to remember this—- In the investigation, Corey Scott gave testimony that was along the same as all the others—that Gallagher was off the rails. It was only during the actual hearings/trial that he changed his testimony because he realized that they would take Gallagher’s pun away and Scott didn’t believe that should happen to any war fighter. So Scott changed his testimony—after securing an agreement for full immunity from prosecution for himself. So Scott took the fall for the stabbing, since he was given immunity, and thus Gallagher was not found guilty of that crime. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 27, 2019 17:57:56 GMT
And Gallagher, in true trump fashion, is attacking them by saying that they formed a plot against him so as to cover up the entire platoons “failures” and performance. "My first reaction to seeing the videos was surprise and disgust that they would make up blatant lies about me, but I quickly realized that they were scared that the truth would come out of how cowardly they acted on deployment," he said. "I felt sorry for them that they thought it necessary to smear my name, but they never realized what the consequences of their lies would be." Bold mine.... How true that is!! EVERYONE else is wrong, Gallagher and trump are being picked on, treated unfairly, are the victims even though they are the true bullies!!! |
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Post by flanz on Dec 27, 2019 17:59:21 GMT
this story disgusts but alas, no longer surprises me.
how far we have fallen...
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