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Post by mom on Dec 4, 2019 3:50:28 GMT
I did not find it on a Google search. That proves it did not happen - your reasoning. How many hundreds of fires by one model of APC power strips does your Google search discover? What is that model? I expect at least 700 cited - if Google searches report such fires. Show us this Google search that lists the location of 70 fires by this one model. Clearly hundreds of fires did not happen because a Google search did not find them. A Google search will indicate that APC was responsible. Immediately recommended some 15 million power strips be removed immediately due to so many house fires. But the actual fires - how many hundred will a Google search discover? None? Your logic is not based in real world experience. Redundancy makes such fires impossible. Multiple failures must exist for this fire to happen. Those failures are directly traceable to human mistakes (sometimes fraud). So a responsible company immediate investigates - locates human mistakes that made that fire possible. Electronic fire means multiple serious defects require immediate attention - if one is responsible. The irresponsible invent reasons to ignore it. 'Fluke fire' is one example. You unplug your stove when not in use? Because safety is more important than convenience? Anything that uses a heating element is potentially a higher risk. Using that reasoning, unplug the furnace when not in use. Apparently a double standard exists. Only ridicule comes from you. Unplugging the Cricut must be unnecessary. Nobody was criticized for doing it. Criticized is one whose attitude is "Don't worry; be happy. It is only a fluke." Nonsense. All Cricut users should be concerned about a fire that must never happen in any of over 1 million Cricuts. When did Cricut arrive to investigate; to locate the reason for that one fire? Only management, that believes in flukes, would not. "Provo Craft had rushed the Imagine to market, and approximately half of those first machines had to be returned because they didn’t work." Anyone who makes things knows that the last two percent of a design is the most critical part of that design. Rushing products that are 98% complete is the classic symptom of management that does not come from where the work gets done. Is their management now more responsible? Then their investigators took that machine to discover multiple defects that created a fire. Because fires are not flukes. Picture demonstrates a fire started inside that machine. What multiple defects made that possible? If they are not investigating, then everyone should unplug their Cricut so as to not be another victim of bad management. It clearly is not a fluke. It is a concern that should never happen in 1 million such machines. You're pretty invested in this discussion. You've created a new profile and your only posts are on this thread. So - do tell. What do you have at stake in disproving this story?
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Post by westom on Dec 5, 2019 0:45:29 GMT
Was Challenger an accident? Yes to people whose actions (an attitude even behind the wheel) cause death and destruction. Challenger is no different from what is being discussed here. Everyone should have learned from Challenger. They launched seven astronauts to their death using the same reasoning that scrapnnana has posted. And like him, you want to make this personal rather than deal with a fundamental facts of life.
No appliance after one million sold should create a fire. Well proven design concepts (long before the IBM PC existed) means multiple failures must happen to create a fire.
Does fire happen? Sometimes. Which is why we all should be asking why that Cricut manufacturer has not flown someone in immediately to inspect that completely unacceptable failure. Not doing so implies a company more interested in profits than in a dependable product.
Fire marshal or inspector (difference is irrelevant) can only identify the source of that fire. He cannot say anything more. It was inside the Cricut. So what he said means Circut had someone there the next day. So many decades of experience, regulations, standards, and redundancy means a fire should never happen. It was not a fluke. That is a classic urban myth. When fire happens, all hell should break loose to find those multiple human mistakes that made fire possible. Fire marshal cannot. He did what should then be followed by a very serious investigation - if that company is responsible.
Any lesser response is akin to murder. You also should be quite concerned that what should never happen, instead, did happen. Only those in denial and without ethics would say, "Don't worry; be happy."
If Cricut does not have a fix, then everyone should do what nobody need do for any appliance. Unplug it. That is the topic. Please stop wasting bandwidth by making this personal. Please stick to the topic - a fire that must never happen. What will they do so that multiple failures in one machine do not create another fire? It is not a fluke. It is a major concern - because responsible designing means it does not happen.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 1:02:56 GMT
We sure have had a influx of unique new users here in the last few days haven't we?! This one and the one on the BH thread.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Dec 5, 2019 3:44:58 GMT
We sure have had a influx of unique new users here in the last few days haven't we?! This one and the one on the BH thread. You're pretty invested in this discussion. You've created a new profile and your only posts are on this thread. So - do tell. What do you have at stake in disproving this story? We RefuPeas have a lot more power and influence than I ever realized, if this kind of thing is any indication!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 8:29:10 GMT
I have heard a lot of crazy hate things about Cricut but putting Cricut up there with murder has to top it, ROFL! I have the majority of my printers & my Cricut on a power cord. I know I am living dangerously. I do not have the plugin setup in my home for those kind of electronics. When I use my machines I always unplug the power cord after my sessions. So far, so good. My sweet Cricut has not blown up and caused my home to burn down. scrapnnana I kind of remember the 2010 Cricut fire. If this is the same one that is on Scrapbook.com. If I remember right that was a freak incident that would have happened no matter what she plugged in. I remember that Cricut replaced her machine for free even though they were not the cause of the fire. I remember that so well because it was so sweet and she was so emotional about it. I don't know if that is the same story but you know back then Cricut girls were all posting on numerous forums with same subjects at the time. It was the height of paper crafting back then. I feel strongly that Cricut will not burn down my home. The Imagine fiasco turned out to be HP's fault. It was not Cricut. HP had to recall all those printer cords under that make, Imagine included. I still use an HP printer to this day with confidence. Electronics have flukes. We don't know what happened to this woman's Cricut. She could have had a surge that hit her Cricut at the time. There could have been bad weather and she was using her Cricut during it. Cricut's cord could have had a short because her dog was chewing on it. Cricut's cord could have had a short because it was damaged during transit and nobody noticed it, a soldered component might not have been soldered correctly causing a spark to set the Cricut on fire, etc, etc, etc.... All of these scenarios can happen to the Silhouette, Brother ScannCut, Sizzix Eclips, the manual electronic cutters on the market..... List goes on. It could have just been her fault for missing something. I know some of you remember I said my Silhouette was acting like it was dying. A lot of you know that I understand my die cutters backwards and forwards. My DH & I even looked for shorts in my Silhouette Cameo. The other day my DH said to me "Your cord is really damaged!" I was like "WHAT? " There was my cord stripped in a section with wires exposed. I don't know how it happened. I don't even know how my DH & I missed that. The cord is old and I had been moving my Silhouette around so wear and tear. It could have caused a bad fire. It could have caused my Cricut to catch on fire. See where I am going with this?
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Post by scrapnnana on Dec 6, 2019 14:04:56 GMT
I totally agree with your points, amayalylac. I’m glad that you discovered the problem with your cord before it caused a fire.
Did you end up getting the Silhouette Cameo 4? It sounded like you were thinking about getting it. Or did you decide to get the Cricut Maker instead?
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Post by westom on Dec 7, 2019 3:41:47 GMT
She could have had a surge that hit her Cricut at the time. There could have been bad weather and she was using her Cricut during it. Cricut's cord could have had a short because her dog was chewing on it. Cricut's cord could have had a short because it was damaged during transit and nobody noticed it, a soldered component might not have been soldered correctly causing a spark to set the Cricut on fire, etc, etc, etc.... That list is classic bad fiction. Redundancy means fire cannot happen - and for multiple reasons. Surges do not cause a fire. A bad solder joint in any appliance never (as in never) causes a fire. Bad weather never causes any properly designed appliance to flame. Power cord is made with fire retardant material as required by so many codes and standards. At most, insulation would only melt. A shorted power cord simply causes a circuit breaker to trip - no flame. None can explain a fire. Those examples are invented by a classic 'don't worry; be happy' attitude. Also called denial. Should multiple human mistakes result in a fire, then the company has sent someone to immediately discover those mistakes. No appliance must ever result in a house fire. In every case, a fire is directly traceable to serious human mistakes. So every fire (not just in appliances) is investigated to avert future fires - if a responsible attitude exists. Even a 'fluke' results in a serious investigation. Why does someone unplug a Cricut when not in use? Because the company is no longer trusted to be responsible.
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Post by msliz on Dec 7, 2019 4:04:06 GMT
Hi westom, since it looks like you're planning to stick around for awhile, why don't you tell us a bit about yourself? How long have you been scrapbooking? Are you primarily a paper scrapper or digital? Do you do any other crafting? Feel free to post a link to your craft blog. This thread will probably be dying soon, because frankly nobody cares, but feel free to contribute to other threads. You seem very passionate about scrapbooking! Welcome to the pod
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 7:39:23 GMT
scrapnnana No, I haven't bought a Cameo 4 yet. I upgraded some of the other electronics in my home. I still kind of leaning to downgrading and getting a Portrait instead. I was thinking of getting the Maker but now that the offline software is out I changed my mind. The offline software is the same as the online software, lol. Cricut has lost their minds, lol. I don't want to buy a powerful machine like the Maker if I can't have software that matches the capabilities of the machine. westom Your behavior is classic trolling. When most people join a forum they join to learn and be part of a community. They want to be liked and accepted in the forum. They do not come in a forum as argumentative. Trolls do come to a forum as argumentative. Your syntax sentence structure is identical to recent posts of other trolling incidents we have had recently. I have a feeling if the admin and mods looked at your IP address, which they can legally, it would match each of the trolling accounts user names. I am sorry for whatever control you have lost in your life but abusing those you don't know to have some control back in your life is never going to give it back to you. I hope you can find a healthier way to solve your problems.
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Post by westom on Dec 7, 2019 16:13:51 GMT
When most people join a forum they join to learn and be part of a community. They want to be liked and accepted in the forum. I am sorry. I really don't care whether you like me. I should hate you for being so emotional. I simply provided a significant fact. For that you are nasty? I visit many sites. And did not even know HP provided printers for this application until I discovered another site on the same topic. I mostly just read. But when someone posts misinformation this wrong, then sorry, I will not remain quiet. If emotional like you, then I should be nasty back. Instead, sorry that you are not concerned for a human safety threat that might exist. It is defined by a very simple rule. Did they immediately take the Cricut to discover multiple reasons for a major human safety threat? If not, then all Cricut users should unplug their machines when not in use. Why? Reasons clearly explained with honesty and without emotional bias. I did not know HP even sourced their machines for this purpose until I stumbled that other site. And am rather taken aback by your attitude. Hopefully that other site has people who discuss the topic and not their emotions. I am looking forward to your comments relevant only to the topic.
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Post by scrapnnana on Dec 7, 2019 21:33:07 GMT
Westom, you were invited to tell us about yourself. You chose not to. I disagree with msliz that you are passionate about scrapbooking, since you haven’t said a word on that subject or participated in any other thread.
After your third post here, I came to the same conclusion that amayalylac did.
amayalylac is one of the most helpful and knowledgeable when it comes to electronic cutters and anything related. She has earned my respect. Your accusing her of being nasty, because she stated what was becoming increasingly obvious, only helped to prove her point.
It’s fine to have strong opinions on a subject, but you were in attack mode. That attitude is accepted on the RefuPeas NSBR board where anything goes, but here people try to be genuinely helpful, and most of the time we are welcoming to newcomers. You definitely started off on the wrong foot.
If, however, you like provoking people and arguing, the RefuPeas NSRB might be more to your liking than this board. Anything goes over there.
If you enjoy paper crafts, have a machine and use it (or want to), and can speak respectfully, then you will find we are a forgiving and welcoming bunch. Most of the time, anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 22:35:56 GMT
Westom, you were invited to tell us about yourself. You chose not to. I disagree with msliz that you are passionate about scrapbooking, since you haven’t said a word on that subject or participated in any other thread. After your third post here, I came to the same conclusion that amayalylac did. amayalylac is one of the most helpful and knowledgeable when it comes to electronic cutters and anything related. She has earned my respect. Your accusing her of being nasty, because she stated what was becoming increasingly obvious, only helped to prove her point. It’s fine to have strong opinions on a subject, but you were in attack mode. That attitude is accepted on the RefuPeas NSBR board where anything goes, but here people try to be genuinely helpful, and most of the time we are welcoming to newcomers. You definitely started off on the wrong foot. If, however, you like provoking people and arguing, the RefuPeas NSRB might be more to your liking than this board. Anything goes over there. If you enjoy paper crafts, have a machine and use it (or want to), and can speak respectfully, then you will find we are a forgiving and welcoming bunch. Most of the time, anyway.
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Post by westom on Dec 7, 2019 22:57:02 GMT
I am sorry you failed to grasp only what is in the pint. Defined is human safety. Questioned is whether the manufacturer is concerned for safety.
You, me, or any other person are irrelevant. I am sorry that you care more about me than what is relevant. If Cricut does not discover multiple failures necessary to threaten human life, then Cricut users should do what one must never need do for any appliance. Unplug it. That and only that is relevant. Not one person was attacked. Sorry that an honest technical fact creates such emotions.
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Post by msliz on Dec 7, 2019 23:11:36 GMT
Westom, you were invited to tell us about yourself. You chose not to. I disagree with msliz that you are passionate about scrapbooking, since you haven’t said a word on that subject or participated in any other thread. My bad. That part was intended to be read as sarcasm. I had no reason to believe that our fire safety troll had any real interest in scrapbooking, but I wanted to give him an out. westom , it may be true that you visit many sites, but this one is more than a site. It's a community. If you're not interested in being a part of our community, please go away. Is it true you're only interested in discussing this topic? How about we let the thread die for now, and if/when there's another Cricut related fire, we can resurrect it then. And maybe, westom , you can come visit us again.
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Post by hop2 on Dec 8, 2019 15:49:25 GMT
When most people join a forum they join to learn and be part of a community. They want to be liked and accepted in the forum. I am sorry. I really don't care whether you like me. I should hate you for being so emotional. I simply provided a significant fact. For that you are nasty? I visit many sites. And did not even know HP provided printers for this application until I discovered another site on the same topic. I mostly just read. But when someone posts misinformation this wrong, then sorry, I will not remain quiet. You were quite rude to some peas. Because they speculated. That’s what we do here we speculate. If you don’t like that then this is not the site for you. And you might want to check your own mis information if that bothers you so much. Your spouting as much speculation and misinformation as anyone else - your just the only one being rude about it. 1 Appliances can cause fires. Even ‘well designed’ appliances with ‘redundancy’ 🙄 Appliances cause fires for a myriad of reasons some the manufacturers fault, some not. That’s why there are manufacturers instructions published including several disclaimers. The appliance leading the pack of causing fires depends on where your talking about but if you take misused space heaters out of the equation washing machines lead the pack followed closely by dryers and dish washers. There are case studies out there google them. 2 a lightening strike can cause faults in wiring both in a structure and inside machines & appliances. That fault, if not found, can cause fires both at the time of the lightening strike and at a time in the future if the fault goes undetected. 3 Cords. Extension cords, appliance cords. Cords CAN cause fires. That IS a fact backed up by numerous case studies. That’s why manufacturers have disclaimers. That’s why we have laws governing the use of said cords. We are a reactive society and didn’t bother to regulate cords until they had already caused multiple fires & that had been proven. Again there are numerous case studies. 4 I won’t even get into the differences between a fire inspector, a Fire Marshall & a fire investigator because those vary by location & local laws. But those are three different sets of skills that may or may not be held by the same person. The actual fact of the matter about that Cricut Fire is that none of the reports made public determined a conclusive cause for the fire. Only the location of the starting point of the fire. Most likely the fire damage and subsequent damage from fire fighting altered the evidence to the point where cause could not be conclusively determined. That happens a lot when things burn & then are put out. The actual fact of the matter is that we here in this thread will probably never know the conclusive cause of that fire. But I’ll let you know immediately if I come across a case study on it at work. There isn’t one yet. Should peas unplug their crafty appliances when not in use? Probably Should peas consider this issue when purchasing a new crafty appliance? Sure, among so many other factors. It’s great to be passionate about fire prevention. I am, it’s part of my job. But when you come off as condescending to people they tune you out & stop listening. And that’s contrary to being passionate about fire prevention since so much of fire prevention is about people, peoples actions & how people use things. Since human misuse of things does cause fires.
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Post by westom on Dec 8, 2019 18:14:57 GMT
1 Appliances can cause fires. ... 2 a lightening strike can cause faults in wiring both in a structure and inside machines & appliances. That fault, if not found, can cause fires ... 3 Cords. Extension cords, appliance cords. Cords CAN cause fires. ... 4 I won’t even get into the differences between a fire inspector, a Fire Marshall & a fire investigator ... The actual fact of the matter about that Cricut Fire is that none of the reports made public determined a conclusive cause for the fire. ... A fire can only exist when multiple human mistakes exist. No appliance among a million should create a fire. And is why a responsible company immediately investigates to locate multiple human mistakes in their product. No fire marshal or fire investigator has tools, information, or abilities to say why it happened. I should not have to keep stating that obvious fact. He can only cite the origin of a fire - not why. Why is 'acceptable' what is unacceptable? And why do you completely ignore why fires do not happen? Most every appliance does not create a fire - due to redundancy and the manufacturer who investigates such failures. Why are you not unplugging appliances with far more power - furnace, dishwasher, dryer, stove? Because those manufacturers are responsible. Only multiple failures by that company explain a fire. Where are their investigators? Only the responsible and informed will ask such damning and necessary questions. Why are you not? Lightning does not cause those fires. You are inventing fears rather than first learn facts. Reasons why, et al are too complicated here. In simple and obvious terms, wire faults means a fuse or circuit breaker trips - no fire. Plenty of other redundancies exist including current foldback limiting, fire retardant materials, and thermal switches. Any house fire created by its wires is investigated - because that must never happen. Multiple human mistakes always identified. Direct lightning strikes do not cause house wiring to burn. Please stop inventing speculations. Home and appliances routinely suffer direct lightning strikes. Suffer damage. And never create fires - when the manufacturer is responsible. A homeowner who accepts fire as acceptable probably could not be bothered to learn of another appliance that creates many fires, that is far more dangerous, and that should be avoided. Power strips with protector parts are so dangerous that, if found in your luggage, a cruise ship will confiscate it. They are responsible. Many thousand fires caused by defectively designed appliances are virtually ignored by their manufacturers. Informed consumers, instead, use something that does not cause fires. Which means lightning strikes are not incoming to any appliance or wiring. But again, that requires one to have a proper attitude. And to not ignore some sentences to protect a belief. Learn that your fire examples are only traceable to a "don't worry; be happy" attitude. Attitude that says fires are acceptable. Extension cords are only for temporary service - ie less than 30 days. You are suppose to know that. Since less responsible people (not extension cords) cause those fires, then AFCIs and GFCIs now disconnect power before faults create fire or threaten human life. Materials found in Chinese extension cords are now superior to what was once used. These human mistakes discovered and now addressed many times over. Arc fault breakers disconnect power. Receptacles spaced and new ones easily added so that extension cords are removed. Rather than think that is rude, learn how to avert that fire. Only companies that do not investigate their product fires cannot identify the reason for that fire. Where are Cricut investigators - only people who can determine reason for that fire? No fire marshal or fire investigator has tools, information, or abilities to make that determination - as you should know. Their job is to only determine the origin of a fire. It was inside a Cricut. Due to multiple failures that remain unreported - no matter how many want to deny. Most appliance manufacturers were and are responsible. Therefore their millions of appliances cause no fires. Apparently a Cricut must be always disconnected. Since no investigation of that fire is apparent. Other appliances do not have many internal mistakes - safely remain always connected.
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Post by hop2 on Dec 8, 2019 18:22:32 GMT
1 Appliances can cause fires. ... 2 a lightening strike can cause faults in wiring both in a structure and inside machines & appliances. That fault, if not found, can cause fires ... 3 Cords. Extension cords, appliance cords. Cords CAN cause fires. ... 4 I won’t even get into the differences between a fire inspector, a Fire Marshall & a fire investigator ... The actual fact of the matter about that Cricut Fire is that none of the reports made public determined a conclusive cause for the fire. ... A fire can only exist when multiple human mistakes exist. No appliance among a million should create a fire. And is why a responsible company immediately investigates to locate multiple human mistakes in their product. No fire marshal or fire investigator has tools, information, or abilities to say why it happened. I should not have to keep stating that obvious fact. He can only cite the origin of a fire - not why. Why is 'acceptable' what is unacceptable? And why do you completely ignore why fires do not happen? Most every appliance does not create a fire - due to redundancy and the manufacturer who investigates such failures. Why are you not unplugging appliances with far more power - furnace, dishwasher, dryer, stove? Because those manufacturers are responsible. Only multiple failures by that company explain a fire. Where are their investigators? Only the responsible and informed will ask such damning and necessary questions. Why are you not? Lightning does not cause those fires. You are inventing fears rather than first learn facts. Reasons why, et al are too complicated here. In simple and obvious terms, wire faults means a fuse or circuit breaker trips - no fire. Plenty of other redundancies exist including current foldback limiting, fire retardant materials, and thermal switches. Any house fire created by its wires is investigated - because that must never happen. Multiple human mistakes always identified. Direct lightning strikes do not cause house wiring to burn. Please stop inventing speculations. Home and appliances routinely suffer direct lightning strikes. Suffer damage. And never create fires - when the manufacturer is responsible. A homeowner who accepts fire as acceptable probably could not be bothered to learn of another appliance that creates many fires, that is far more dangerous, and that should be avoided. Power strips with protector parts are so dangerous that, if found in your luggage, a cruise ship will confiscate it. They are responsible. Many thousand fires caused by defectively designed appliances are virtually ignored by their manufacturers. Informed consumers, instead, use something that does not cause fires. Which means lightning strikes are not incoming to any appliance or wiring. But again, that requires one to have a proper attitude. And to not ignore some sentences to protect a belief. Learn that your fire examples are only traceable to a "don't worry; be happy" attitude. Attitude that says fires are acceptable. Extension cords are only for temporary service - ie less than 30 days. You are suppose to know that. Since less responsible people (not extension cords) cause those fires, then AFCIs and GFCIs now disconnect power before faults create fire or threaten human life. Materials found in Chinese extension cords are now superior to what was once used. These human mistakes discovered and now addressed many times over. Arc fault breakers disconnect power. Receptacles spaced and new ones easily added so that extension cords are removed. Rather than think that is rude, learn how to avert that fire. Only companies that do not investigate their product fires cannot identify the reason for that fire. Where are Cricut investigators - only people who can determine reason for that fire? No fire marshal or fire investigator has tools, information, or abilities to make that determination - as you should know. Their job is to only determine the origin of a fire. It was inside a Cricut. Due to multiple failures that remain unreported - no matter how many want to deny. Most appliance manufacturers were and are responsible. Therefore their millions of appliances cause no fires. Apparently a Cricut must be always disconnected. Since no investigation of that fire is apparent. Other appliances do not have many internal mistakes - safely remain always connected. Your spreading misinformation again Appliances ARE the source of fires, many of them, some due to manufacturing problems, some due to misuse & some due to shit happens - there are multiple studies & lists on the subject. Saying it doesn’t/can’t happen is just wrong. Lightening CAN cause fires both immediately and days after, to say anything else is a blatant lie. Considering I’ve witnessed one IRL you can shut up now. Boy you have some ax to grind with Cricut or something but stop lying to do it.
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Post by mom on Dec 8, 2019 20:52:19 GMT
This is your friendly reminder that you can put posters on block and you won't have to read their crap.
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Dec 9, 2019 4:18:12 GMT
scrapnnana No, I haven't bought a Cameo 4 yet. I upgraded some of the other electronics in my home. I still kind of leaning to downgrading and getting a Portrait instead. I was thinking of getting the Maker but now that the offline software is out I changed my mind. The offline software is the same as the online software, lol. Cricut has lost their minds, lol. I don't want to buy a powerful machine like the Maker if I can't have software that matches the capabilities of the machine. You were expecting Cricut to improve their software? Naw, they just made it available for off line usage after telling us for years it could not be done with the current Design Space.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 6:50:33 GMT
OntarioScrapper - You know I am always being cheeky about the software, lol. I think us Cricut girls over here it's our favorite hobby to be cheeky about Cricut, ROFL. Note to all- I have nothing against Cricut or Cricut's software. I think they are both great. Definitely need a great powerful software program if I am upgrading to a Maker or Cameo 4! hop2 Thank you for weighing in. I was really hoping we had somebody from the fire industry give her/his viewpoints about the "Cricut" accident.
Editing because I got so distracted when I was posting. Distraction is a drama thing in my home that meows a lot, lol. After distraction ended, I realized I must have come off all willy nilly in my posts, ROFL!
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Post by westom on Dec 9, 2019 15:28:23 GMT
Appliances ARE the source of fires, many of them, some due to manufacturing problems, some due to misuse & some due to shit happens - there are multiple studies & lists on the subject. Saying it doesn’t/can’t happen is just wrong. Which is clearly not what I said. Appliances can create fires - when defective. When that fire happens, a manufacturer must investigate to discover and correct his multiple mistakes. If that manufacturer does not investigate, then every Cricut user must do what nobody need do for any appliance. Unplug it after every use. And be concerned. Please read what I said. I never said what you have posted. Unfortunately you are intentionally ignoring what is relevant and written. About the threat. About what was written. And about why fires happen. Even direct lightning strikes that destroy appliances do not cause fires - when an appliance is properly designed. If fire does happen, then all hell breaks loose to discover and correct multiple mistakes that caused / permitted fire. Multiple mistakes. All appliances are required to be so that no fire happens. Reliable appliances include stoves, computers, furnace, TVs, clocks radios, dryers, smoke detectors, and dishwasher. Nobody is unplugging any of them. They are properly designed. If Cricut does not investigate and correct mistakes, then responsible Cricut users should constantly unplug that unsafe appliance. Why do you constantly ignore that? Please have decency to understand. Read what was written. And not what you want to hear. Again, no Cricut investigation fire means all Cricuts are a human safety threat. No Cricut investigation is why a reason for fire is undetermined. I keep saying that. You keep ignoring what has long been a national and international standard for responsible manufacturers and responsible humans. Any appliance that creates a fire (is not immediately investigated and corrected by its manufacture) is a threat to human life. If that causes a death, then yes, that is murder. No properly manufactured appliance creates a fire. Fire exists only when multiple human mistakes happened - and then are ignored. Appliances from responsible manufacturers are not and need not be always unplugged. If written seven more times, will you eventually read what is written and not what you want to believe?
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Post by hop2 on Dec 9, 2019 19:40:42 GMT
Appliances ARE the source of fires, many of them, some due to manufacturing problems, some due to misuse & some due to shit happens - there are multiple studies & lists on the subject. Saying it doesn’t/can’t happen is just wrong. Which is clearly not what I said. Appliances can create fires - when defective. When that fire happens, a manufacturer must investigate to discover and correct his multiple mistakes. If that manufacturer does not investigate, then every Cricut user must do what nobody need do for any appliance. Unplug it after every use. And be concerned. Please read what I said. I never said what you have posted. Unfortunately you are intentionally ignoring what is relevant and written. About the threat. About what was written. And about why fires happen. Even direct lightning strikes that destroy appliances do not cause fires - when an appliance is properly designed. If fire does happen, then all hell breaks loose to discover and correct multiple mistakes that caused / permitted fire. Multiple mistakes. All appliances are required to be so that no fire happens. Reliable appliances include stoves, computers, furnace, TVs, clocks radios, dryers, smoke detectors, and dishwasher. Nobody is unplugging any of them. They are properly designed. If Cricut does not investigate and correct mistakes, then responsible Cricut users should constantly unplug that unsafe appliance. Why do you constantly ignore that? Please have decency to understand. Read what was written. And not what you want to hear. Again, no Cricut investigation fire means all Cricuts are a human safety threat. No Cricut investigation is why a reason for fire is undetermined. I keep saying that. You keep ignoring what has long been a national and international standard for responsible manufacturers and responsible humans. Any appliance that creates a fire (is not immediately investigated and corrected by its manufacture) is a threat to human life. If that causes a death, then yes, that is murder. No properly manufactured appliance creates a fire. Fire exists only when multiple human mistakes happened - and then are ignored. Appliances from responsible manufacturers are not and need not be always unplugged. If written seven more times, will you eventually read what is written and not what you want to believe? No, appliances can start fires even when not defective. It happens all the time. It might have absolutely nothing to do with the manufacturer. The appliance can have all the right ratings, underwriters labs listings etc and a fire can still happen. ( BTW the Cricut is UL lusted so it has been tested ) Saying otherwise is just stupid. Appliances can start fires when subjected to poor conditions, if damaged or misused OR too old. OR sometimes just because a series of things happen that caused the fire. For one thing, wiring insulation has a definitive lifetime. Once wiring is ‘old’ it can start a fire. Appliances with moving parts ( like a washing machine or say, a Cricut ) can start a fire based on friction. How do you think washing machines are one of the top 5 fire starting appliances? And it has nothing to do with how it was manufactured. Something gets caught or jammed and the friction caused a fire. Saying appliances that are properly designed or properly manufactured never catch fire is just a lie. It happens. Shit happens sometimes. AND no one in their right mind would want the manufacturer to investigate the cause if a fire, that’s the fastest way to a cover up. Your best bet is either a fire investigator or an insurance investigator. Insurance investigators do quite a bit of the investigations into fires that are not arson. Because once the local fire investigator determine the fire was not arson but was accidental they may not be able to devote any further time to it, it really depends on a lot of things. But you can be sure that the insurance company that had to pay for the damage will spend the time to determine who they can bill or sue to get their money back. Are there appliances that are poorly manufactured & cause fires? Yes, try proving it though. At best they are recalled and/or a class action lawsuit happens. I don’t see anyone halting the manufacture of the Samsung refrigerators that spontaneously catch fire. And hundreds of them have. Nor do I see anyone stopping the manufacturer of GE over the range microwaves that turn on by themselves & start a fire. Hundreds of those have. And it wasn’t the manufacturer whose investigations resulted in the recalls/lawsuits it was INSURANCE companies, you know because they have a financial stake in proving the manufacturer is at fault. You have no idea what your even talking about. Again stop spreading misinformation.
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Dec 19, 2019 21:09:35 GMT
OntarioScrapper - You know I am always being cheeky about the software, lol. I think us Cricut girls over here it's our favorite hobby to be cheeky about Cricut, ROFL. Note to all- I have nothing against Cricut or Cricut's software. I think they are both great. Definitely need a great powerful software program if I am upgrading to a Maker or Cameo 4!
We all have to have hobbies, you know! My computer keeps bugging me to download the app for the new Design Space however I need to finish up Christmas presents first. If something goes wrong, well I won't be happy!
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caitlyn4kids
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Dec 30, 2019 15:02:06 GMT
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Post by caitlyn4kids on Dec 30, 2019 15:12:27 GMT
My name is Caitlyn and I am the person who’s house caught fire. It’s a complete gut. The fire marshal initially said it was the cricut cord, but then the fire investigator said it’s the cricut machine that caught fire and started everything. CRICUT sent out their attorney & their own fire investigator to work along side ours. The machine was taken to the lab to be examined. I put a warning out because the fire investigator ASKED me to. There’s been several fires. Insurance legal companies have access to all the information that google doesn’t provide. A multimillion dollar company can easily pay to have posts brought down. They only took this seriously once the post went everywhere on Facebook. I just wanted to set the record straight that this is NOT fake news. I’m Caitlyn Baldwin Clarke on FB and you’re more than welcome to go research my page and see for yourself that this fire was very real.
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Post by hop2 on Dec 30, 2019 17:42:34 GMT
My name is Caitlyn and I am the person who’s house caught fire. It’s a complete gut. The fire marshal initially said it was the cricut cord, but then the fire investigator said it’s the cricut machine that caught fire and started everything. CRICUT sent out their attorney & their own fire investigator to work along side ours. The machine was taken to the lab to be examined. I put a warning out because the fire investigator ASKED me to. There’s been several fires. Insurance legal companies have access to all the information that google doesn’t provide. A multimillion dollar company can easily pay to have posts brought down. They only took this seriously once the post went everywhere on Facebook. I just wanted to set the record straight that this is NOT fake news. I’m Caitlyn Baldwin Clarke on FB and you’re more than welcome to go research my page and see for yourself that this fire was very real. Thank you for posting. I’m so sorry your dealing with all of this. I don’t think anyone here said it was fake news. I’m glad your insurance company sent an investigator out, if anyone can get to the bottom of it they will. But, as a consumer, it’s also good to hear that cricut sent an investigator out. Perhaps they care. Hopefully someone can get to the bottom of it. Please feel free to update if either your insurance company or even cricut determines why it went on fire. It’s a highly interesting & important topic. People have no idea how many normal everyday devices can start a fire. People have no idea how unregulated the household appliance industry is. ‘Regulation’ is by lawsuit & recall & by news getting out. These companies don’t often voluntarily regulate themselves.
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scrapnnana
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Post by scrapnnana on Dec 30, 2019 20:13:46 GMT
My name is Caitlyn and I am the person who’s house caught fire. It’s a complete gut. The fire marshal initially said it was the cricut cord, but then the fire investigator said it’s the cricut machine that caught fire and started everything. CRICUT sent out their attorney & their own fire investigator to work along side ours. The machine was taken to the lab to be examined. I put a warning out because the fire investigator ASKED me to. There’s been several fires. Insurance legal companies have access to all the information that google doesn’t provide. A multimillion dollar company can easily pay to have posts brought down. They only took this seriously once the post went everywhere on Facebook. I just wanted to set the record straight that this is NOT fake news. I’m Caitlyn Baldwin Clarke on FB and you’re more than welcome to go research my page and see for yourself that this fire was very real. Caitlyn, thank you for posting here to set the record straight and for adding additional information. It must have been a terrible loss for your family. I can only imagine how devastating it had to have been. I hope your losses will be restored to the fullest extent possible. hop2, unfortunately, one poster did actually claim that it was fake news on the first page of this thread. I’m not entirely surprised that Cricut sent their own attorney and fire investigator. It’s good to know they are taking it seriously.
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