The Great Carpezio
Pearl Clutcher
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Oct 30, 2019 20:10:28 GMT
What do you think about Obama's statement and why? I know we have had some heated discussions that center around this very statement, and I am wondering if you think Obama is correct, wrong or somewhere in between. Does it matter what subject matter we are talking about? Racism? Climate change? Trump? Parenting? Vaccines? I find it particularly interesting when addressing white fragility/racism. Where or IS there a line where calling out people who are at least "trying" becomes detrimental to the discussion/cause. At the same time, if we are not challenged on our faulty or safe ideals, will we ever grow? Link to Video
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Post by SockMonkey on Oct 30, 2019 21:49:55 GMT
I totally agree with him. But I don't see how he means that we shouldn't speak up when something racist, sexist, etc. is said. I think he means that we shouldn't be ONLY judging others, but taking that toward action.
One of the most important things I think we can do is CALL IN the people in our communities with whom we have relationships when they say or do something we find problematic, racist, sexist, damaging to LGBTQ folks, and so on. Whether that's here on this board (where we truly DO have relationships, naturally, since many of us have been here a number of years) or within our friend and family circles, I think President Obama is saying we have a responsibility to go beyond judgement of strangers on the Internet and figure out how to move toward change.
And then certainly activism beyond that, related to Olan's reminder to us about the Call to Action in Virginia's honor. If we truly believe in something enough to call another out about it, how does that belief also show up in the ways we consume media, vote, speak to others, educate our children, etc.?
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 30, 2019 23:10:36 GMT
I took it to mean the kind of pile-ons that happen on twitter. It makes this place look tame.
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Post by birdgate on Oct 31, 2019 20:02:47 GMT
I think its a millennial, young generation thing. They think they know everything and think they can school grown adults. You sometimes have to put them in their place and teach them history. I don't think it has to do so much with the subject but their tone, finger pointing and immaturity.
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Post by shevy on Oct 31, 2019 20:20:10 GMT
I think with the rise of the internet, message boards, social media...people have started to forget that there are real people behind the screens. And it's everyone from older people to our young teens. Some forget that people do make mistakes, they aren't perfect and that one can live a fulfilling and positive life after mistakes. Life is not absolute.
Everyone is so used to their only being a good/bad with nothing in between and it's really starting to show.
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scrappinmama
Pearl Clutcher
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Post by scrappinmama on Oct 31, 2019 20:28:38 GMT
I totally agree with him. I don't think he's saying to stop calling out racism, sexism, etc. I think he is encouraging people not to jump to conclusions on situations or make things bigger than they actually are. And I think Bernie Bros fall right in to this. If their candidate doesn't get the nomination, they'll stay home, etc. It's not helpful to have that attitude.
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Post by stampinchick on Oct 31, 2019 21:16:20 GMT
I agree with him. We need to realize that there are going to be people who don't agree with you on everything. And there may be people that you think are really terrible because they don't agree with you, but that doesn't mean you can just pile on them. People are entitled to think differently than you, even if you think they are 1000% in the wrong and are hurtful to other people. You can tell them you think they are wrong, but calling them out and piling on isn't the right thing to do. We need to have civility in dealing with others who aren't like us. There have recently been a couple of threads here where things were stated as if they were facts (in my opinion they were not correct) and that people who didn't agree with them were racist and bigots and everything else. I struggled with whether or not to reply to give my opinion but ultimately didn't because I knew there would be a pile on and it just wasn't worth it. I would have loved to have had a civil discussion about why I didn't agree with several people who posted on the thread but at least one of them has a history of piling on and name calling when somebody doesn't agree with her.
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Post by SockMonkey on Oct 31, 2019 23:10:15 GMT
I think its a millennial, young generation thing. They think they know everything and think they can school grown adults. You sometimes have to put them in their place and teach them history. I don't think it has to do so much with the subject but their tone, finger pointing and immaturity. What does "teach them history" mean? Can you say more about "put them in their place?" |
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Oct 31, 2019 23:50:24 GMT
I agree with him.
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Post by Merge on Nov 1, 2019 0:06:48 GMT
I think its a millennial, young generation thing. They think they know everything and think they can school grown adults. You sometimes have to put them in their place and teach them history. I don't think it has to do so much with the subject but their tone, finger pointing and immaturity. What does "teach them history" mean? Can you say more about "put them in their place?" I'm also curious about the Millennials vs. grown adults thing. The generation commonly called the Millennials are currently age 22-37 - by all the usual measures, grown adults. Most have jobs and many have kids, mortgages, student loan debt, and other accoutrements of adult life. Not adult-y enough? Oh, but wait - two of us have now asked her about her post. Maybe we're guilty of piling on? |
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Post by Merge on Nov 1, 2019 0:16:47 GMT
To answer the OP, I agree with what I believe he was talking about, which I think was more to do with the impulse on Twitter to destroy the lives of people who have been guilty of ... whatever.
But people who want to see themselves as victims will conflate the experience of someone who is doxxed, receives death threats. has people contact their employer, etc. with a situation where a bunch of women on the internet persist in stating their opinion and feelings get hurt.
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