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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 23:11:02 GMT
I don't know specifically who invented vaping, but I can't imagine why anyone thought it was a good idea. Seems to me it happened on Trump's watch.
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Post by craftykitten on Nov 9, 2019 23:20:12 GMT
I do blame Trump for a lot of things, but not vaping. I thought he banned it?
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Post by PenandInk on Nov 9, 2019 23:24:42 GMT
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Post by Rhondito on Nov 9, 2019 23:31:32 GMT
I read a headline earlier today that Trump is raising the age to buy vapes. That's one thing he's doing that I agree with.
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Post by Merge on Nov 9, 2019 23:37:38 GMT
I read a headline earlier today that Trump is raising the age to buy vapes. That's one thing he's doing that I agree with. Texas already did this of its own accord. It’s 21 now. As the mother of a vape-addicted teen, I’d like to personally strangle the people who invented and are making billions from them. Let’s tax those motherfuckers into oblivion.
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Post by katiekaty on Nov 9, 2019 23:42:53 GMT
I don't know specifically who invented vaping, but I can't imagine why anyone thought it was a good idea. Seems to me it happened on Trump's watch. It's a good thing I don't judge all Democrats as stupid based on this comment as you seemed to believe everything is about Trump being evil. Look up your facts before making comments like this. It has nothing to do with Trump. I know people who have been vaping for 10 or more years. If you are going to blame a president/administration, look at Obama. AND that is ridiculous also. People will mistreat their bodies no matter what their political affiliation.
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Post by iluvpink on Nov 9, 2019 23:42:57 GMT
Eh, I can't stand the man but I think it's been around longer than he's been in office.
I WILL say after years of not seeing people on the streets smoking etc, I've seen a lot more people smoking and smelled a lot more cigarette smell in the last few years. I work on a college campus where it's banned, even outside, but not really enforced in any way, but you do occasionally see it still. However the last 2-3 years, I see it MUCH more. And when out shopping etc. Not sure why but it's odd.
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Post by sawwhet on Nov 10, 2019 0:29:14 GMT
People all over the world vape.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 10, 2019 0:31:41 GMT
‘Very strong culprit’ in vaping illnesses identifiedToday 8:25 AM (11/09/19) By The Associated Press U.S. health officials announced a breakthrough Friday into the cause of a mysterious outbreak of vaping illnesses, reporting they have a “very strong culprit.” The same chemical compound was found in fluid taken from the lungs of 29 patients across the country, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said. The compound — vitamin E acetate — was previously found in liquid from electronic cigarettes and other vaping devices used by many of those who got sick.But this is the first time they’ve found a common suspect in the damaged lungs of patients, officials said. "We are in a better place in terms of having one very strong culprit," said the CDC's Dr. Anne Schuchat. Agency officials cautioned they cannot rule out all other toxic substances, and it may take animal studies to clearly show vitamin E acetate causes the lung damage that's been seen. More than 2,000 Americans who vape have gotten sick since March, many of them teen and young adults, and at least 40 people have died. The bulk of the cases occurred in August and September but new cases are still being reported. Vitamin E acetate has only recently been used as a thickener in vaping fluid, particularly in black market vape cartridges. While vitamin E is safe as a vitamin pill or to use on the skin, inhaling oily droplets of it can be harmful. It's sticky and stays in the lungs — the CDC's Dr. Jim Pirkle likened it to honey. ** A lot more at the link: www.nj.com/news/2019/11/very-strong-culprit-in-vaping-illnesses-identified.html
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Post by elaine on Nov 10, 2019 0:39:33 GMT
I personally wish that the government would ban the production of vaping cartridges and gear. It isn’t realistic, but I can dream. Vaping serves no real purpose- the manufacturers try to claim it helps smokers quit cigarettes, but there are other safer options, and vaping appears to have resulted in a whole new generation being addicted to nicotine, rather than helping a few quit.
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Post by Merge on Nov 10, 2019 0:43:54 GMT
I personally wish that the government would ban the production of vaping cartridges and gear. It isn’t realistic, but I can dream. Vaping serves no real purpose- the manufacturers try to claim it helps smokers quit cigarettes, but there are other safer options, and vaping appears to have resulted in a whole new generation being addicted to nicotine, rather than helping a few quit. Yes. It makes it easy for teens to "smoke" at school in the bathroom (or at home in their room) and to avoid the social stigma of smelling like cigarettes. It's easy to hide. And the 5% cartridges they sell deliver a much stronger hit of nicotine than a cigarette does, so kids become addicted more quickly. I hate it and wish these things had never been invented. The catch-22 is if they were all taken off the market tomorrow, you'd have millions of kids switch to cigarettes to get their nicotine. Then what?
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Post by elaine on Nov 10, 2019 0:48:43 GMT
I don't know specifically who invented vaping, but I can't imagine why anyone thought it was a good idea. Seems to me it happened on Trump's watch. Much as I hate Trump, vaping has been around long before he took office. This one is not on him. Jenny McCarthy, one of the world’s truly evil people, was publicly peddling them in 2013. (now waiting for Jenny’s fangirl here to now make an appearance on this thread and claim it isn’t true). scienceblogs.com/insolence/2013/08/19/jenny-mccarthy-and-the-selling-of-e-cigarettes
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Post by sassyangel on Nov 10, 2019 0:58:23 GMT
The need to be treated, regulated and taxed the same way as cigarettes.
They’re no different, IMO.
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Post by elaine on Nov 10, 2019 0:58:45 GMT
I personally wish that the government would ban the production of vaping cartridges and gear. It isn’t realistic, but I can dream. Vaping serves no real purpose- the manufacturers try to claim it helps smokers quit cigarettes, but there are other safer options, and vaping appears to have resulted in a whole new generation being addicted to nicotine, rather than helping a few quit. Yes. It makes it easy for teens to "smoke" at school in the bathroom (or at home in their room) and to avoid the social stigma of smelling like cigarettes. It's easy to hide. And the 5% cartridges they sell deliver a much stronger hit of nicotine than a cigarette does, so kids become addicted more quickly. I hate it and wish these things had never been invented. The catch-22 is if they were all taken off the market tomorrow, you'd have millions of kids switch to cigarettes to get their nicotine. Then what? Cigarettes being very expensive, smelly, and harder for teens to buy these days, a percentage would quit - I’m betting parents would gladly help with the patches/gum. As you know, it is much harder for kids to hide cigarette smoking because everything, including themselves, reeks. But, you are right, that won’t solve the problem for many now-addicted teens. and in my dream-world, the vaping companies should foot the bill for the treatment of all the teens they have addicted.
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Post by jcmom04 on Nov 10, 2019 0:59:11 GMT
I remember being on a cruise ship waiting for the evening entertainment to start and a woman next to me (in the theater) was vaping. I asked her to stop and she brushed me off saying it was just “water vapor”... I’m highly allergic to nicotine (which is extremely annoying) and I could tell how wrong she was and so we moved.
I knew nothing about vaping back then and had never seen one at all.
It was 2013.
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Post by Merge on Nov 10, 2019 1:13:47 GMT
Yes. It makes it easy for teens to "smoke" at school in the bathroom (or at home in their room) and to avoid the social stigma of smelling like cigarettes. It's easy to hide. And the 5% cartridges they sell deliver a much stronger hit of nicotine than a cigarette does, so kids become addicted more quickly. I hate it and wish these things had never been invented. The catch-22 is if they were all taken off the market tomorrow, you'd have millions of kids switch to cigarettes to get their nicotine. Then what? Cigarettes being very expensive, smelly, and harder for teens to buy these days, a percentage would quit - I’m betting parents would gladly help with the patches/gum. As you know, it is much harder for kids to hide cigarette smoking because everything, including themselves, reeks. But, you are right, that won’t solve the problem for many now-addicted teens. and in my dream-world, the vaping companies should foot the bill for the treatment of all the teens they have addicted. We've tried buying patches for our daughter, but she was not able to quit with those. Trying to quit is further compounded by her anxiety. She's mentioned asking her psych doctor about Chantix or something similar, but so far that hasn't happened, and because she is over 18, we have very little control. We've also severely limited the funding she gets from us so that she has to choose between having fun with her friends, buying gas to get around town, and buying juul pods, in the hope that it will spur her decision to quit. Yes, the vaping companies should have to pay, and they and the tobacco companies should be required to donate tons of money to funding research into new ways to help people quit nicotine. No one should be profiting off of this poison.
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Post by lisae on Nov 10, 2019 1:53:56 GMT
It is yet another stupid smoking habit. Why anyone thinks any kind of habitual smoking makes them appear 'cool' or whatever the current word for popular is, I'll never understand. The smoke should swirl above their heads and spell the word 'stupid.'
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Nov 10, 2019 2:10:27 GMT
I do blame Trump for a lot of things, but not vaping. I thought he banned it? I don't recall if he was successful and am too lazy to google it, but I believe that the plan was to ban flavored vaping liquid, to try to curb the appeal to young teens.
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Post by freecharlie on Nov 10, 2019 4:41:40 GMT
It is yet another stupid smoking habit. Why anyone thinks any kind of habitual smoking makes them appear 'cool' or whatever the current word for popular is, I'll never understand. The smoke should swirl above their heads and spell the word 'stupid.' apparently it exploded with the youtube influencers and the tricks they could do.
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Post by nogfz on Nov 10, 2019 4:42:48 GMT
I was a 3 pack a day smoker for 30 years. I started vaping 10 years ago and steadily dropped my nicotine level until I reached 0 about 4 years ago. Vaping has literally saved my life and IS helping to save the lives of thousands upon thousands of former smokers.
That teenagers are being stupid with it (buying or making their own blackmarket e-juice with dangerous substances like vitamin E oil) is quite horrible, as responsible vaping is proving to be THE most effective method for smoking cessation.
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Post by ashley on Nov 10, 2019 4:43:26 GMT
I do blame Trump for a lot of things, but not vaping. I thought he banned it? I don't recall if he was successful and am too lazy to google it, but I believe that the plan was to ban flavored vaping liquid, to try to curb the appeal to young teens. Thats one of the legal requirements of vape pens/concentrates, etc here for cannabis. There can be no flavours or scents added, which I appreciate.
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Post by Merge on Nov 10, 2019 12:39:52 GMT
I was a 3 pack a day smoker for 30 years. I started vaping 10 years ago and steadily dropped my nicotine level until I reached 0 about 4 years ago. Vaping has literally saved my life and IS helping to save the lives of thousands upon thousands of former smokers. That teenagers are being stupid with it (buying or making their own blackmarket e-juice with dangerous substances like vitamin E oil) is quite horrible, as responsible vaping is proving to be THE most effective method for smoking cessation. How do you drop your nicotine level? My understanding is that the cartridges come in 3% or 5%, but nothing lower than that.
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Post by mich5481 on Nov 10, 2019 12:58:46 GMT
I don't know specifically who invented vaping, but I can't imagine why anyone thought it was a good idea. Seems to me it happened on Trump's watch. David Letterman hasn't been on the air during Trump's term, and I remember Katherine Heigl was on his show talking up vaping almost a decade ago. youtu.be/ysGyfLwwr1sUnfortunately, most of the videos on YouTube of this incident are linked to e-cigarette companies.
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I was a 3 pack a day smoker for 30 years. I started vaping 10 years ago and steadily dropped my nicotine level until I reached 0 about 4 years ago. Vaping has literally saved my life and IS helping to save the lives of thousands upon thousands of former smokers. That teenagers are being stupid with it (buying or making their own blackmarket e-juice with dangerous substances like vitamin E oil) is quite horrible, as responsible vaping is proving to be THE most effective method for smoking cessation. How do you drop your nicotine level? My understanding is that the cartridges come in 3% or 5%, but nothing lower than that. I two am in the process of quitting again with vaping. The pods are from the JUUL. They are strong due to it containing Nic salt that allows for a higher concentration of nicotine without a harsh throat burn. Bad for people vaping ,good for companies for addiction. Most vapers buy liquid that is rated by strength that comes in 0%, and up. When I quit the first time I started with 3%, then tapered down to 1.6% and finally to 0% and was able to quit vaping as I saw no point to inhaling nothing. I do wish they would regulate the heck out of nicotine. Vaping has it’s place for current smokers as an alternative to traditional tobacco. For people who never smoked it should be a h*ll no, it may be more addictive due to the fact that they make flavors taste “good” so not only are you getting the rush of nicotine but also the pleasure reward from a sweet flavor. Double trouble. I honestly believe that later down the road studies will emerge showing vaping is more addictive than traditional tobacco just like the whole issue with OxyContin male claiming it was “less addictive”. I have studied vaping, and JUUL brought Nic salts to the forefront. Prior to JUUL, Nic salt liquids was not common. It allows the body to take it a greater amount of nicotine than non salt formulas increasing the addiction. That is something the articles never mention and is a key factor in the popularity of JUUL. No other device that can be obtained in cartridge form existed. Traditional e liquids did not allow the full uptake of the nicotine in the product and there is a delay of uptake of nicotine compare to traditional cigarettes. For myself anther added benefit is the reduction of my sugar intake. I am one who always hated the taste of cigarettes this drank soda when ever smoking traditional tobacco. Now I don’t need to as the tobacco flavor liquid is not nasty as tobacco, it is not an enjoyable flavor but not discussing enough to need to mask it with sugar. I had started smoking at age of 13 when my younger sister camecto my room and offered me a cigarette telling me it would help me lose weight. When my mother ( who smoked along with my dad) found out instead of making use quit bought and allowed us to smoke. How I wish she would of fought the battle to make us quit. This is my third and hopefully last time quitting. I hope my post gave a little more insight.
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Post by Merge on Nov 10, 2019 15:30:30 GMT
How do you drop your nicotine level? My understanding is that the cartridges come in 3% or 5%, but nothing lower than that. I two am in the process of quitting again with vaping. The pods are from the JUUL. They are strong due to it containing Nic salt that allows for a higher concentration of nicotine without a harsh throat burn. Bad for people vaping ,good for companies for addiction. Most vapers buy liquid that is rated by strength that comes in 0%, and up. When I quit the first time I started with 3%, then tapered down to 1.6% and finally to 0% and was able to quit vaping as I saw no point to inhaling nothing. I do wish they would regulate the heck out of nicotine. Vaping has it’s place for current smokers as an alternative to traditional tobacco. For people who never smoked it should be a h*ll no, it may be more addictive due to the fact that they make flavors taste “good” so not only are you getting the rush of nicotine but also the pleasure reward from a sweet flavor. Double trouble. I honestly believe that later down the road studies will emerge showing vaping is more addictive than traditional tobacco just like the whole issue with OxyContin male claiming it was “less addictive”. I have studied vaping, and JUUL brought Nic salts to the forefront. Prior to JUUL, Nic salt liquids was not common. It allows the body to take it a greater amount of nicotine than non salt formulas increasing the addiction. That is something the articles never mention and is a key factor in the popularity of JUUL. No other device that can be obtained in cartridge form existed. Traditional e liquids did not allow the full uptake of the nicotine in the product and there is a delay of uptake of nicotine compare to traditional cigarettes. For myself anther added benefit is the reduction of my sugar intake. I am one who always hated the taste of cigarettes this drank soda when ever smoking traditional tobacco. Now I don’t need to as the tobacco flavor liquid is not nasty as tobacco, it is not an enjoyable flavor but not discussing enough to need to mask it with sugar. I had started smoking at age of 13 when my younger sister camecto my room and offered me a cigarette telling me it would help me lose weight. When my mother ( who smoked along with my dad) found out instead of making use quit bought and allowed us to smoke. How I wish she would of fought the battle to make us quit. This is my third and hopefully last time quitting. I hope my post gave a little more insight. Thank you; that is helpful. We are desperate to do anything we can to help her quit. I'll ask her to look into vapes other than Juul that allow her to step down the nicotine gradually. My understanding is that the 5% juul pods deliver the equivalent nicotine of a pack of cigarettes. I believe there are lots of teens using a pod a day or more, possibly including my daughter. And because there is no smell, it's virtually impossible for anyone to know if or how much kids are using. I don't believe the company that makes Juul has any interest in helping people quit - if so, why don't they make pods that are lower nicotine than 3%? I think they'd much prefer to keep people addicted so they can keep making money. It's insidious. I wish you luck in your battle to quit. DH started smoking at age 12 and finally kicked it completely around age 38 or 40, I think. This was before vaping was a thing and what prompted it was job loss - we couldn't afford cigarettes or patches, so he just quit. He still says it's the hardest thing he's ever done - and he includes Marine Corps boot camp in his list of hard things. So harder than that. To answer the OP, no, we can't blame this on Trump. Companies have been marketing addictive products to teens for decades, and teens have been doing stupid things for millennia.
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Post by ExpatBackHome on Nov 10, 2019 17:10:31 GMT
There was a two part podcast done on vaping and some background information. I thought it was interesting. It was at the end of October and the podcast The Daily
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Post by sweetpeasmom on Nov 10, 2019 17:39:06 GMT
@merge I'm with you. We have been battling this with our 17 yo DS since before sophomore year. We had hoped him being an athlete at the time would have curbed it but nope. He quit sports. Didn't matter, it's running rampant through our sports programs. We have busted him and each time punished him. He is currently grounded for 2 weeks (time is almost up). Next time it'll be 3-4 weeks. He has a job and his own money, so not much we can do about limiting his funds. But we have told him don't come crying poor mouthing to us if he doesn't have money for something if he is choosing to do this.
If you find a way to help with the addition, please share. I'll do the same.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 18:03:00 GMT
[/quote]Thank you; that is helpful. We are desperate to do anything we can to help her quit. I'll ask her to look into vapes other than Juul that allow her to step down the nicotine gradually.
My understanding is that the 5% juul pods deliver the equivalent nicotine of a pack of cigarettes. I believe there are lots of teens using a pod a day or more, possibly including my daughter. And because there is no smell, it's virtually impossible for anyone to know if or how much kids are using.
I don't believe the company that makes Juul has any interest in helping people quit - if so, why don't they make pods that are lower nicotine than 3%? I think they'd much prefer to keep people addicted so they can keep making money. It's insidious.
I wish you luck in your battle to quit. DH started smoking at age 12 and finally kicked it completely around age 38 or 40, I think. This was before vaping was a thing and what prompted it was job loss - we couldn't afford cigarettes or patches, so he just quit. He still says it's the hardest thing he's ever done - and he includes Marine Corps boot camp in his list of hard things. So harder than that.
To answer the OP, no, we can't blame this on Trump. Companies have been marketing addictive products to teens for decades, and teens have been doing stupid things for millennia. [/quote]
I wish you and her the best of luck, it is HARD, she is young and doesn’t realize the effects it will have. The the 5% and 3% pods are both the same as a pack. The same as a pack of full flavor or ultra lights are a pack. With JUUL the cloud of exhaled vapor is small compared to traditional vaping Mods. Those produce large clouds of vapor that is hard to cover and strong in smell. The person smells of the fruity flavor they are using. I would personally use the angle of being tied to having to use the device. The addiction to nicotine makes it hard to go periods of time without use. How miserable is it that you can’t make it thru a 3 hr movie without having a craving that distracts you from enjoying it. Then their is the effects of nicotine on the body, it constricts blood vessels. Even vaping 0% show effects on the body so it does come with risks. For myself I know I will be vaping for about 3-4 weeks total to get over the habits associated with smoking. I vape inside vs stepping outside when smoking cigarettes so retraining my habits. Also JUUL is way more expensive than liquids. It is a marketing ploy to make up revenue from loss of traditional tobacco sales. Now Marlboro puts $10 off coupons for Their JUUL products in cigarette packs.
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Post by nogfz on Nov 10, 2019 18:39:56 GMT
I was a 3 pack a day smoker for 30 years. I started vaping 10 years ago and steadily dropped my nicotine level until I reached 0 about 4 years ago. Vaping has literally saved my life and IS helping to save the lives of thousands upon thousands of former smokers. That teenagers are being stupid with it (buying or making their own blackmarket e-juice with dangerous substances like vitamin E oil) is quite horrible, as responsible vaping is proving to be THE most effective method for smoking cessation. How do you drop your nicotine level? My understanding is that the cartridges come in 3% or 5%, but nothing lower than that. I don't use Juul and pre-filled cartridges. I have a refillable atomizer with a mod and buy 0% nic e-juice from a local vape store.
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