Vaping

Texas already did this of its own accord. It’s 21 now.

As the mother of a vape-addicted teen, I’d like to personally strangle the people who invented and are making billions from them. Let’s tax those motherfuckers into oblivion.

Eh, I can't stand the man but I think it's been around longer than he's been in office.

I WILL say after years of not seeing people on the streets smoking etc, I've seen a lot more people smoking and smelled a lot more cigarette smell in the last few years. I work on a college campus where it's banned, even outside, but not really enforced in any way, but you do occasionally see it still. However the last 2-3 years, I see it MUCH more. And when out shopping etc. Not sure why but it's odd.

‘Very strong culprit’ in vaping illnesses identified
Today 8:25 AM (11/09/19)
By The Associated Press

U.S. health officials announced a breakthrough Friday into the cause of a mysterious outbreak of vaping illnesses, reporting they have a “very strong culprit.”

The same chemical compound was found in fluid taken from the lungs of 29 patients across the country, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said. The compound — vitamin E acetate — was previously found in liquid from electronic cigarettes and other vaping devices used by many of those who got sick.

But this is the first time they’ve found a common suspect in the damaged lungs of patients, officials said.

"We are in a better place in terms of having one very strong culprit," said the CDC's Dr. Anne Schuchat.

Agency officials cautioned they cannot rule out all other toxic substances, and it may take animal studies to clearly show vitamin E acetate causes the lung damage that's been seen.

More than 2,000 Americans who vape have gotten sick since March, many of them teen and young adults, and at least 40 people have died. The bulk of the cases occurred in August and September but new cases are still being reported.

Vitamin E acetate has only recently been used as a thickener in vaping fluid, particularly in black market vape cartridges. While vitamin E is safe as a vitamin pill or to use on the skin, inhaling oily droplets of it can be harmful. It's sticky and stays in the lungs — the CDC's Dr. Jim Pirkle likened it to honey.
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A lot more at the link: www.nj.com/news/2019/11/very-strong-culprit-in-vaping-illnesses-identified.html

Yes. It makes it easy for teens to "smoke" at school in the bathroom (or at home in their room) and to avoid the social stigma of smelling like cigarettes. It's easy to hide. And the 5% cartridges they sell deliver a much stronger hit of nicotine than a cigarette does, so kids become addicted more quickly.

I hate it and wish these things had never been invented.

The catch-22 is if they were all taken off the market tomorrow, you'd have millions of kids switch to cigarettes to get their nicotine. Then what?

The need to be treated, regulated and taxed the same way as cigarettes.

They’re no different, IMO.

I remember being on a cruise ship waiting for the evening entertainment to start and a woman next to me (in the theater) was vaping. I asked her to stop and she brushed me off saying it was just “water vapor”... I’m highly allergic to nicotine (which is extremely annoying) and I could tell how wrong she was and so we moved.

I knew nothing about vaping back then and had never seen one at all.

It was 2013.

It is yet another stupid smoking habit. Why anyone thinks any kind of habitual smoking makes them appear 'cool' or whatever the current word for popular is, I'll never understand. The smoke should swirl above their heads and spell the word 'stupid.'

I don't recall if he was successful and am too lazy to google it, but I believe that the plan was to ban flavored vaping liquid, to try to curb the appeal to young teens.

I was a 3 pack a day smoker for 30 years. I started vaping 10 years ago and steadily dropped my nicotine level until I reached 0 about 4 years ago. Vaping has literally saved my life and IS helping to save the lives of thousands upon thousands of former smokers.

That teenagers are being stupid with it (buying or making their own blackmarket e-juice with dangerous substances like vitamin E oil) is quite horrible, as responsible vaping is proving to be THE most effective method for smoking cessation.

How do you drop your nicotine level? My understanding is that the cartridges come in 3% or 5%, but nothing lower than that.

I two am in the process of quitting again with vaping.
The pods are from the JUUL. They are strong due to it containing Nic salt that allows for a higher concentration of nicotine without a harsh throat burn. Bad for people vaping ,good for companies for addiction.

Most vapers buy liquid that is rated by strength that comes in 0%, and up. When I quit the first time I started with 3%, then tapered down to 1.6% and finally to 0% and was able to quit vaping as I saw no point to inhaling nothing.
I do wish they would regulate the heck out of nicotine. Vaping has it’s place for current smokers as an alternative to traditional tobacco. For people who never smoked it should be a h*ll no, it may be more addictive due to the fact that they make flavors taste “good” so not only are you getting the rush of nicotine but also the pleasure reward from a sweet flavor. Double trouble.
I honestly believe that later down the road studies will emerge showing vaping is more addictive than traditional tobacco just like the whole issue with OxyContin male claiming it was “less addictive”.

I have studied vaping, and JUUL brought Nic salts to the forefront. Prior to JUUL, Nic salt liquids was not common. It allows the body to take it a greater amount of nicotine than non salt formulas increasing the addiction. That is something the articles never mention and is a key factor in the popularity of JUUL. No other device that can be obtained in cartridge form existed. Traditional e liquids did not allow the full uptake of the nicotine in the product and there is a delay of uptake of nicotine compare to traditional cigarettes.

For myself anther added benefit is the reduction of my sugar intake. I am one who always hated the taste of cigarettes this drank soda when ever smoking traditional tobacco. Now I don’t need to as the tobacco flavor liquid is not nasty as tobacco, it is not an enjoyable flavor but not discussing enough to need to mask it with sugar.

I had started smoking at age of 13 when my younger sister camecto my room and offered me a cigarette telling me it would help me lose weight. When my mother ( who smoked along with my dad) found out instead of making use quit bought and allowed us to smoke. How I wish she would of fought the battle to make us quit. This is my third and hopefully last time quitting.

I hope my post gave a little more insight.

There was a two part podcast done on vaping and some background information. I thought it was interesting. It was at the end of October and the podcast The Daily

[/quote]Thank you; that is helpful. We are desperate to do anything we can to help her quit. I'll ask her to look into vapes other than Juul that allow her to step down the nicotine gradually.

My understanding is that the 5% juul pods deliver the equivalent nicotine of a pack of cigarettes. I believe there are lots of teens using a pod a day or more, possibly including my daughter. And because there is no smell, it's virtually impossible for anyone to know if or how much kids are using. 

I don't believe the company that makes Juul has any interest in helping people quit - if so, why don't they make pods that are lower nicotine than 3%? I think they'd much prefer to keep people addicted so they can keep making money. It's insidious.

I wish you luck in your battle to quit. DH started smoking at age 12 and finally kicked it completely around age 38 or 40, I think. This was before vaping was a thing and what prompted it was job loss - we couldn't afford cigarettes or patches, so he just quit. He still says it's the hardest thing he's ever done - and he includes Marine Corps boot camp in his list of hard things.  So harder than that.

To answer the OP, no, we can't blame this on Trump. Companies have been marketing addictive products to teens for decades, and teens have been doing stupid things for millennia. [/quote]

I wish you and her the best of luck, it is HARD, she is young and doesn’t realize the effects it will have.
The the 5% and 3% pods are both the same as a pack. The same as a pack of full flavor or ultra lights are a pack.
With JUUL the cloud of exhaled vapor is small compared to traditional vaping Mods. Those produce large clouds of vapor that is hard to cover and strong in smell. The person smells of the fruity flavor they are using.
I would personally use the angle of being tied to having to use the device. The addiction to nicotine makes it hard to go periods of time without use.
How miserable is it that you can’t make it thru a 3 hr movie without having a craving that distracts you from enjoying it.
Then their is the effects of nicotine on the body, it constricts blood vessels. Even vaping 0% show effects on the body so it does come with risks.
For myself I know I will be vaping for about 3-4 weeks total to get over the habits associated with smoking. I vape inside vs stepping outside when smoking cigarettes so retraining my habits.
Also JUUL is way more expensive than liquids. It is a marketing ploy to make up revenue from loss of traditional tobacco sales. Now Marlboro puts $10 off coupons for Their JUUL products in cigarette packs.