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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 18:06:27 GMT
"My language" is attempting AWARENESS and QUESTIONING of the bs we've been sold for generations. Your language is failing. That was my point. "Your language is failing" is a statement of fact. "Your language is failing to me" or "I believe your language is failing" is a statement of opinion. You don't get to decide if my "language is failing" across the board and as a statement of fact unless you set up repeatable tests and show your data. You do get to state your opinion whenever and however you want. However, do please mark it as an opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 18:10:03 GMT
No, there is not an extra word. What does it mean not to be here for #OKBoomer, but to be here for #OKTrumper? Clearly, I am dense, because I don’t get it. I understand to not BE FOR one thing, while BEING FOR another. But don’t understand what it means with “here” in the sentence. Humor me in my stupidity and clarify, please. Hi elaine. It's another way of saying 'I support'. As in, "I'm here for you" = "I support you" = "You can count on my support for this", etc.
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Post by elaine on Nov 18, 2019 18:19:44 GMT
What does it mean not to be here for #OKBoomer, but to be here for #OKTrumper? Clearly, I am dense, because I don’t get it. I understand to not BE FOR one thing, while BEING FOR another. But don’t understand what it means with “here” in the sentence. Humor me in my stupidity and clarify, please. Hi elaine . It's another way of saying 'I support'. As in, "I'm here for you" = "I support you" = "You can count on my support for this", etc. Thank you for explaining. For me, in this context (a concept/idea) I would just say “be for” to communicate support of an idea. For example, I am for universal healthcare. Not, I am here for universal healthcare. I am “for” or “against” ideas/theories/concepts/etc. My own weird quirky use of the English language would only use “be here for” when talking about supporting a person. As in your example - I am here for you, as you wait for your test results. I’m sorry I misunderstood.
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Post by MizIndependent on Nov 18, 2019 18:24:07 GMT
Your language is failing. That was my point. "Your language is failing" is a statement of fact. "Your language is failing to me" or "I believe your language is failing" is a statement of opinion. You don't get to decide if my "language is failing" across the board and as a statement of fact unless you set up repeatable tests and show your data. You do get to state your opinion whenever and however you want. However, do please mark it as an opinion. Hm. You may be correct about that so I will say this: it is my opinion that the way you choose to use language is habitually divisive and destructive. You seem to take particular delight in putting down those who don't agree with you and enjoy telling people what they can and can't do. "You don't get to decide", "You do get to state", "mark it as,"...that's not up to you, but you know, do it if you want to, I don't have to listen.
ETA: BTW, I noticed that you resorted to correcting my English instead of addressing the assertion. Do you believe your language usage is achieving your goals?
In any case, this is just my opinion which likely does not in any way matter to you.
I gotta say though, you're particularly bristle-y today. Rough weekend?
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Post by jeremysgirl on Nov 18, 2019 18:32:09 GMT
Considering that the last discussion I witnessed on this topic was full of people explaining that it’s the attitude, not the age, all the while complaining about how Boomers have destroyed the world for younger generations ... I am unimpressed. It’s kind of like how fat people are the last group you can still safely mock ... you can also lump a quarter of the population together for all the fun insults, and if they complain, you can respond OKAY BOOMER. And laugh and laugh. Nice. I'm not sure that you're the kind of boomer that would be told ok boomer. But like merge said above, many of us in the younger generations have heard from our boomer parents for many years and years about how messed up our generations are. How we don't spend our money. How we don't work hard enough. How we parent our children wrong. I'll admit to the fact that when my dad gets going on a tangent I really have to stop myself from rolling my eyes at him. Ok boomer fits here. But I have never felt that way once about anything you've posted here. The point is, the phrase has come about because of that particular type of person not finding value in the generations that have followed him. That's where the fight originated. I'll stand beside you, Lucy, and work cooperatively. Because that's what you want too. There a whole lot of people who have been playing and us vs them game before many of us were even old enough to play the game. And now people want younger generations to handle the criticisms in a way that isn't offensive. *I'm* not going to be offensive. But I support Gen X and Millennials and now Gen Z in being offended. It really is a legitimate thing. In other words, I get exactly where it comes from. And in light of how the other thread went, I'll leave my opinion to that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 18:47:00 GMT
"Your language is failing" is a statement of fact. "Your language is failing to me" or "I believe your language is failing" is a statement of opinion. You don't get to decide if my "language is failing" across the board and as a statement of fact unless you set up repeatable tests and show your data. You do get to state your opinion whenever and however you want. However, do please mark it as an opinion. Hm. You may be correct about that so I will say this: it is my opinion that the way you choose to use language is habitually divisive and destructive. You seem to take particular delight in putting down those who don't agree with you and enjoy telling people what they can and can't do. "You don't get to decide", "You do get to state", "mark it as,"...that's not up to you, but you know, do it if you want to, I don't have to listen.
ETA: BTW, I noticed that you resorted to correcting my English instead of addressing the assertion. Do you believe your language usage is achieving your goals?
In any case, this is just my opinion which likely does not in any way matter to you.
I gotta say though, you're particularly bristle-y today. Rough weekend?
Go back to my explanation of why I post and by that metric I believe I am achieving my goal. Thanks so much for your concern. Also, the weekend was lovely. Thanks again for your concern.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 19:02:33 GMT
How many headlines have boomers written about millennials starting... "Millennials ruining/killing...." I’m curious. How do you know all these headlines were written by boomers? Do you know or are you just assuming?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 19:05:00 GMT
How many headlines have boomers written about millennials starting... "Millennials ruining/killing...." I’m curious. How do you know all these headlines were written by boomers? Do you know or are you just assuming? I do not know that ALL were. I asked a question, for consideration by the readers. People seem to be having a hard time w/standard language today.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 19:48:42 GMT
I’m curious. How do you know all these headlines were written by boomers? Do you know or are you just assuming? I do not know that ALL were. I asked a question, for consideration by the readers. People seem to be having a hard time w/standard language today. Yes you are having a problem with language today because the way you worded this post implied that the headlines were written by boomers. Just like your first post that started this thread you were not clear with this one. If I may, a better way would have been to word it in such a way that while you didn’t know for sure if boomers wrote any of those headlines you would bet that they wrote a lot of them. Its best to be specific in what one is saying so all can understand the point one is trying to make instead of assuming what the point is. So I have been told on this board on more than one occasion. And I don’t disagree with it.
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Post by Judy26 on Nov 18, 2019 19:58:34 GMT
I’m smack dab in the middle of the boomer generation. I can recall clearly being dismissed by the older generation when I was a teen and in my twenties. Protesting the Vietnam war was considered anti- American. We were ripped for our taste in clothing and desire for a college education. We crusaded for a healthy earth and our music was divisive and political.
I can understand younger generations being disappointed in how society is today. I am disappointed myself. But I would prefer all generations focus on doing better in the future rather than blaming those from the past. I applauded anyone who is both self aware and willing to go the extra mile to help others. But I do resent having a label such as “boomer” being used against me flippantly and without regard for the positive contributions I have made during my lifetime.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 20:21:19 GMT
I’m smack dab in the middle of the boomer generation. I can recall clearly being dismissed by the older generation when I was a teen and in my twenties. Protesting the Vietnam war was considered anti- American. We were ripped for our taste in clothing and desire for a college education. We crusaded for a healthy earth and our music was divisive and political. I can understand younger generations being disappointed in how society is today. I am disappointed myself. But I would prefer all generations focus on doing better in the future rather than blaming those from the past. I applauded anyone who is both self aware and willing to go the extra mile to help others. But I do resent having a label such as “boomer” being used against me flippantly and without regard for the positive contributions I have made during my lifetime. Exactly why I refuse to use it in that way. Way too many boomers have worked way too hard on progressive ideals of equity, justice, equality for me to discount. But as to #OKTrumper, again, I refer people to the 30 threads of POTUS-delivered insults, battering the foundations of the constitution, putting personal interest above national interest, emolouments, etc., etc., etc. for why I'm AOK w/that one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 20:21:52 GMT
Millennials have been taking it on the chin for awhile (they are whiney, lazy, etc) that I am not surprised by it. Neither is okay. Both sets add value to the world. #OKTrumper is unnecessary too. There will be one for liberals before tomorrow. It doesn’t help just keeps the divide going.
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Post by Merge on Nov 18, 2019 20:27:34 GMT
Millennials have been taking it on the chin for awhile (they are whiney, lazy, etc) that I am not surprised by it. Neither is okay. Both sets add value to the world. #OKTrumper is unnecessary too. There will be one for liberals before tomorrow. It doesn’t help just keeps the divide going. Hon, they've been using liberal as a pejorative for the past thirty-plus years. Bring it on. #OKLiberal? Yep, and proud of it. Move on. I'm honestly floored by the complete inability of an entire generation to laugh at themselves in this case. I guess I go back to Mr. Bennett in P&P: "For what do we live, but to make sport for our neighbours, and laugh at them in our turn?" I don't get the outrage. Boomers are apparently the only generation that is to be immune from any pointed humor?
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Post by sleepingbooty on Nov 18, 2019 20:40:41 GMT
Baby Boomers: Baby boomers were born between 1944 and 1964. They're current between 55-75 years old (76 million in U.S.) Gen X: Gen X was born between 1965 - 1979 and are currently between 40-54 years old (82 million people in U.S.) Gen Y: Gen Y, or Millennials, were born between 1980 and 1994. The ok, boomer is in response to an attitude. No one would randomly say that to someone because of their age. It’s a response to a specific attitude. Yes, Boomer is the name of a generation defined by the years they were born. Ok, boomer is a response to a particular attitude they have become associated with. "Ok, boomer" is the shrug millennials can just about bare to afford after years and years of having been accused of ruining every traditional industry one can imagine, associated with laziness and lack of effort and "when I was your age, I had *all this* and didn't complain, just work hard" attitude. We're never going to get anything our boomer parents, aunts and uncles told us was within reach if only we studied and worked hard enough. Meanwhile, the planet's been left in a terrible state, student debt is through the roof in many major countries, medical care is barely affordable, home ownership out of reach for most of us so a shrug and an "ok, boomer" is all we have left when we are told, yet again, what to do and how to live (and everything we ruined, of course). It's to the point, cynical and drenched in tiredness AKA very much the state of millennials. It's pretty perfect and I'm happy it's been adapted as the one-liner reply to Trumpers on the attack. It's today's "whatever."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 20:56:46 GMT
Merge you don’t get it. You see liberal insults like a badge of honor and so do Trump supporters. Everyone stays in their echo chamber convinced they are on top. Watch Trump or one of his campaign will spin it in less than 24 hours touting all his “accomplishments”.
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Post by Merge on Nov 18, 2019 21:08:20 GMT
Merge you don’t get it. You see liberal insults like a badge of honor and so do Trump supporters. Everyone stays in their echo chamber convinced they are on top. Watch Trump or one of his campaign will spin it in less than 24 hours touting all his “accomplishments”. Sorry, but I think you're the one who doesn't get it. It's a joke. It's a poke at, frankly, the people in charge. Boomers make up the vast majority of our elected leaders and hold most of the wealth in this country. Coming from those of us who have neither the power nor the assets, it's punching up, and that's well within the bounds of acceptability. The only thing that's kept it in the media is the ridiculous outrage over it. The only thing that makes it divisive is the fact that some Boomers seem to feel their generation should just get a gentle pass any taking any rhetorical heat for our current mess. (Feel free to say whatever you like to me, but I respect it more when you do so under your own name and not an alter.)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 21:12:32 GMT
Merge. this is my name and only account. I was speaking more to the okTrumper than OkBoomer. I do think people should have fun with themselves and their points in life.
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Post by 950nancy on Nov 18, 2019 21:13:26 GMT
GenX: Whatever. We're at work, paying for social security we'll never receive. So we'll say what we want and you can keep ignoring us like always. I am the first year of GenX. Since I worked for a school system, we didn't pay into SS. Thankfully I could retire after 32 years of service and collect. I do worry about what the government has done with it for years though.
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Post by 950nancy on Nov 18, 2019 21:18:01 GMT
Boomer isn’t an age, it’s an attitude. I thought it was literally an age... What age is a Boomer? Baby Boomers: Baby boomers were born between 1944 and 1964. They're current between 55-75 years old (76 million in U.S.) Gen X: Gen X was born between 1965 - 1979 and are currently between 40-54 years old (82 million people in U.S.) Gen Y: Gen Y, or Millennials, were born between 1980 and 1994. It is an age. Not sure how you can get around it other than to say age is just a number. We have a Boomer, an X, a Y and a Z in our family of four. Ok Boomer would be the nicest insult!
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Post by luckyexwife on Nov 18, 2019 21:21:54 GMT
I feel like I need a cheat sheet, or cliff note explanations to even read this thread.
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Post by Merge on Nov 18, 2019 21:46:24 GMT
Merge. this is my name and only account. I was speaking more to the okTrumper than OkBoomer. I do think people should have fun with themselves and their points in life. OK, so, to be clear, you registered this username in September and just decided to use it today - on a GS thread to handslap people about some Becky Higgins stuff, and on this one to handslap people about an internet meme. May I gently suggest that, if you want a more positive response, you might choose to introduce yourself to the board in threads where you have something positive to say. Telling people they should be nicer to Trumpers or (checks GS thread where you posted) inviting them to "do some self-reflection" might not be your best strategy for making friends and influencing people. Welcome and happy posting.
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Post by Merge on Nov 18, 2019 21:49:12 GMT
GenX: Whatever. We're at work, paying for social security we'll never receive. So we'll say what we want and you can keep ignoring us like always. I am the first year of GenX. Since I worked for a school system, we didn't pay into SS. Thankfully I could retire after 32 years of service and collect. I do worry about what the government has done with it for years though. Happy for you. Most of GenX is a long way from retirement age, and those who did pay into SS are unlikely to benefit from it. I've paid into both SS and Texas' teacher retirement system but, due to "windfall" laws, I will be prevented from drawing from both. Right now it appears likely that the TRS will be solvent than SS will by the time I reach my 60s.
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Post by AussieMeg on Nov 18, 2019 21:50:48 GMT
I thought it was literally an age... In this context, it’s referring to an attitude. True, but you wouldn’t say “OK Boomer” to a 30 year old. So it really is just as much about the age as the attitude. ETA: Actually, I take that back. If you REALLY wanted to insult a Gen Z or Millennial, say “OK Boomer” to them when they say something Boomer-ish! Yeah, it’s an attitude.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Nov 18, 2019 21:57:15 GMT
In this context, it’s referring to an attitude. True, but you wouldn’t say “OK Boomer” to a 30 year old. So it really is just as much about the age as the attitude. Actually, I've already seen the phrase used in such "age/generation inappropriate" context online. It's just that the majority of that attitude seems *currently* concentrated in the Boomer age range. And no, I don't have academic studies to back this.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 22:03:12 GMT
Merge. this is my name and only account. I was speaking more to the okTrumper than OkBoomer. I do think people should have fun with themselves and their points in life. OK, so, to be clear, you registered this username in September and just decided to use it today - on a GS thread to handslap people about some Becky Higgins stuff, and on this one to handslap people about an internet meme. May I gently suggest that, if you want a more positive response, you might choose to introduce yourself to the board in threads where you have something positive to say. Telling people they should be nicer to Trumpers or (checks GS thread where you posted) inviting them to "do some self-reflection" might not be your best strategy for making friends and influencing people. Welcome and happy posting. Oh, thanks for the heads up! Off to read the BH thread.
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Post by 950nancy on Nov 18, 2019 22:18:16 GMT
I am the first year of GenX. Since I worked for a school system, we didn't pay into SS. Thankfully I could retire after 32 years of service and collect. I do worry about what the government has done with it for years though. Happy for you. Most of GenX is a long way from retirement age, and those who did pay into SS are unlikely to benefit from it. I've paid into both SS and Texas' teacher retirement system but, due to "windfall" laws, I will be prevented from drawing from both. Right now it appears likely that the TRS will be solvent than SS will by the time I reach my 60s. Yes, I started in the 80's and my dad kept saying that there was no way I could retire when I did. To be honest, there isn't much benefit to becoming a teacher other than unpaid time off and loving working with kids, but our retirement in Colorado was a big draw.
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Post by Sorrel on Nov 18, 2019 23:14:08 GMT
Happy for you. Most of GenX is a long way from retirement age, and those who did pay into SS are unlikely to benefit from it. I've paid into both SS and Texas' teacher retirement system but, due to "windfall" laws, I will be prevented from drawing from both. Right now it appears likely that the TRS will be solvent than SS will by the time I reach my 60s. Yes, I started in the 80's and my dad kept saying that there was no way I could retire when I did. To be honest, there isn't much benefit to becoming a teacher other than unpaid time off and loving working with kids, but our retirement in Colorado was a big draw. The Colorado pension is only good if you never had a job where you paid SS. I’ve been contributing to PERA here in Colorado for 10 years. Before that I worked in the private sector. I will never get a full pension because I won’t have enough PERA years by the time I retire. But apparently because I was stupid enough to spend half my career in the public sector and half in the private, the Windfall Elimination Provision will take 40% of my social security benefit. If my husband dies before me, it will do the same to my spouse benefit. Nice.
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Post by sassyangel on Nov 18, 2019 23:55:02 GMT
In this context, it’s referring to an attitude. True, but you wouldn’t say “OK Boomer” to a 30 year old. So it really is just as much about the age as the attitude. ETA: Actually, I take that back. If you REALLY wanted to insult a Gen Z or Millennial, say “OK Boomer” to them when they say something Boomer-ish! Yeah, it’s an attitude. Lol I had someone on r/AmITheAsshole (Reddit) say it to me the other day. I’m firmly Gen X. Seems more to me like it’s being used by most to convey an attitude, than an actual age seeing as the person had no idea how old I was. I was ok with it. If thinking that watching Game Of Thrones on a crowded airplane of kids is an asshole move, makes me an “Ok boomer” then I’ll manage. 😂
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Post by sassyangel on Nov 19, 2019 0:05:32 GMT
Millennials have been taking it on the chin for awhile (they are whiney, lazy, etc) that I am not surprised by it. Neither is okay. Both sets add value to the world. #OKTrumper is unnecessary too. There will be one for liberals before tomorrow. It doesn’t help just keeps the divide going. Already done. Liberal snowflake has been around for a few years. As has social justice warrior. 🤷🏻♀️
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Post by 950nancy on Nov 19, 2019 0:10:48 GMT
Yes, I started in the 80's and my dad kept saying that there was no way I could retire when I did. To be honest, there isn't much benefit to becoming a teacher other than unpaid time off and loving working with kids, but our retirement in Colorado was a big draw. The Colorado pension is only good if you never had a job where you paid SS. I’ve been contributing to PERA here in Colorado for 10 years. Before that I worked in the private sector. I will never get a full pension because I won’t have enough PERA years by the time I retire. But apparently because I was stupid enough to spend half my career in the public sector and half in the private, the Windfall Elimination Provision will take 40% of my social security benefit. If my husband dies before me, it will do the same to my spouse benefit. Nice. That isn't true for me. I had 6 years of working for SS prior to my teaching job. I was able to buy 4 of those years and add them to my years of service as a teacher. I also started my teaching career at 22, so retiring was much easier at a younger age. My husband did the same thing, but he was able to buy 6 years of service. ETA: I don't get 100% of my pension with 32 years of service. I would have to have 40 years of service to get that, and anyone who has been in the classroom lately knows that 40 years is doable, but very rare. I get 80% and work part-time at a job where I am paid per hour what I received as a teacher with a master's degree, 70 additional credit hours, and 28 years of service. Kind of crazy.
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