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Post by gar on Oct 18, 2014 8:35:35 GMT
The flight crew just locked an African-American woman from Texas in the airplane bathroom because she was vomiting. Looks like the OP isn't the only one panicking. Let's add racial profiling to the mix. The chaos has just begun. I am not panicking. I am paying attention and not blindly trusting an organization (CDC) who dropped a major ball. There is no panic here for me.Say it enough and you might actually start believing it.
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Post by BarbaraUK on Oct 18, 2014 11:35:15 GMT
You mean this story? WHO declares Ebola over in SenegalSenegal had exactly one Ebola patient. One. And Senegal has gone 42 days without a new case being detected. That's quite a difference from the current situation in Nigeria, Liberia, Sierra Leone....and even though the US has only three cases, that's still two more than the WHO-declared-Ebola-free nation of Senegal. Yes, but surely Senegal, a very small not exactly rich country in Africa, deserves credit for acting quickly and efficiently regarding their one case of Ebola and containing it so that they have had no cases of transmission of the virus. That surely is a success and not to be sneered at in the present situation in West Africa.
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Post by gar on Oct 18, 2014 12:40:56 GMT
You mean this story? WHO declares Ebola over in SenegalSenegal had exactly one Ebola patient. One. And Senegal has gone 42 days without a new case being detected. That's quite a difference from the current situation in Nigeria, Liberia, Sierra Leone....and even though the US has only three cases, that's still two more than the WHO-declared-Ebola-free nation of Senegal. How many did America have? How many days has it gone without a new case being detected..................................? ETA - we haven't had our first case yet so I'm not critisising America, I'm saying you shouldn't critisise them.
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Post by lucyg on Oct 18, 2014 18:10:09 GMT
Nigeria contained its outbreak quickly and effectively, and also reaches its clearing point this weekend. So you should take it off your list now.
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Post by mellyw on Oct 18, 2014 18:38:13 GMT
It's been interesting to talk with some people here in the Bible Belt. How they believe Ebola is making a giant evolutionary leap to being airborne. And how I literally feel like I need to sew my lips shut to not go around shouting, "Oh, now you believe in Evolution".
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 18, 2014 18:47:37 GMT
I posted a bunch about Nigeria yesterday. What I found interesting was how involved the CDC was in that outbreak and that in many ways they did a better job than in the US. I really think the main problem here was in overestimating the preparation by the medical staff when the virus is at it's peak. In Nigeria upwards of 20,000 people were being actively monitored with personnel taking their temperature twice a day. Now when you have a medical facility that initially treated the patient without even gloves there was no question in anyone's mind that their medical personnel was in extreme risk. Lagos is an extremely populated city with over 5 million people and areas of extreme poverty. I think everyone was terrified particularly as Nigeria is much more connected to the rest of the world in both travel and business. They assumed it was going to be horrific and threw tons of resources at containment. I think here the attitude was - the US's normal infectious controls are adequate - it will never gain a foothold. It put the medical personnel in Dallas at risk.
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Post by BuckeyeSandy on Oct 19, 2014 3:16:40 GMT
For anyone too much of an Idealogue to even consider reading the Weekly Standard (it's just like the Huffington Post or Slate) article, the 6 reasons are (condensed) as follows: 1) We don't know what we don't know. There are at least four major strains of the Ebola virus, this current outbreak is significantly different from the other three, the origins of this strain was in Guinea. 2) Most politicians and Media types do not have an understanding about geometric verses algebraic rates of expansion. Going from R (sub) 0 to R (sub) 2 is bad, very bad. That is the rate of infection spread, but... it is NOT a uniform rate, it is NOT constant. 3) "The epidemiological protocols for containing Ebola rest on four pillars: contact tracing, case isolation, safe burial, and effective public information. And if the four pillars—contact tracing, case isolation, safe burial, and effective public information—fail, no one seems to have even a theoretical plan for what to do." (verbatim from the article) 4) The "worse case" is an outbreak similar to what has occurred in the Western African Countries of Guinea, Liberia, and Sierra Leone to happen in the Western Hemisphere on Haiti/Dominican Republic, or in the Central American Countries of El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, and Nicaragua. (This is more so than the countries of Belize, Costa Rica, and Panama.) 5) Outbreaks similar to what has occurred on the African Continent, would mean a massive FLOOD of both refugees trying to escape the spread of the virus, and those with the virus seeking medical attention. If anyone thought the border "incidents" last Spring were bad, you have not seen anything yet. and 6) There are TOO many people that have been appointed to positions based upon political connections and furthering political correctness, not skills, knowledge and ability. And too much of various agencies' budgets flittered away on 'political agendas' not scientific or medical work. This goes back to the 1990s. It is NOT just one administration or one political party. The REAL EXPERTS on the treatment and prevention of infection spreading are not the ones in charge of anything here in the USA. Most of them are in the three centers of the outbreak working to educate the population, treat those with it, and contain it. MSF (Doctors without Borders) are the REAL experts, and they have lost almost 400 from this virus. The medical and nursing staffs are a disportionate amount of those infected. There are significant differences between what MSF/WHO protocols are and what the HHS/CDC protocols are. ( Ebola and Marburg virus disease epidemics: preparedness, alert, control, and evaluation Interim manual version 1.2 WHO document) ( CDC Ebola Web Site) The various Media outlets are doing a great job of both politicizing and polarizing, in addition to stirring up panic. There are things to be concerned about, but for the majority of us it is NOT part of our daily lives, and it will not be, ever. The various strains of the flu are of more concern and impact.
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Post by BuckeyeSandy on Oct 19, 2014 3:18:57 GMT
The various Media outlets are doing a great job of both politicizing and polarizing, in addition to stirring up panic. There are things to be concerned about, but for the majority of us it is NOT part of our daily lives, and it will not be, ever. The various strains of the flu are of more concern and impact. This is what I really want to say, this is of concern, but not worth a panic.
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Post by theshyone on Oct 19, 2014 4:15:32 GMT
I saw a meme cross FB about a week ago:
The [HASH]1 reason to panic was these countries were major producers of chocolate.
In all seriousness the entovirus scares me more.
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Post by stacy71 on Oct 19, 2014 16:35:20 GMT
The various Media outlets are doing a great job of both politicizing and polarizing, in addition to stirring up panic. There are things to be concerned about, but for the majority of us it is NOT part of our daily lives, and it will not be, ever. The various strains of the flu are of more concern and impact. This is what I really want to say, this is of concern, but not worth a panic. This is how I feel. I am slightly concerned, but in no way panicking. If we get through the next few months with no more spread from mr. Duncan I will feel much better. Hopefully all hospitals have paid attention and the next person that shows up in our country with ebola will be quickly isolated and treated at appropriate place.
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Post by jenkate77 on Oct 19, 2014 16:59:45 GMT
Can I just say, I had no idea, none what-so-ever, that so many people were barfing in public. I'm not sure I would have ever known this little factoid had it not been for Ebola.  On Tuesday I threw up in the parking lot at Albertsons, and then again picking my son up from soccer. Even in Colorado I'm sure someone thought "Ebola!" Odd that no one approached me to ask if I'd recently returned from Texas or Africa.  First time ever vomiting in public like that - even all through last fall and winter when I was pregnant and couldn't live without anti-nausea medication!
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 19, 2014 17:01:18 GMT
It's been interesting to talk with some people here in the Bible Belt. How they believe Ebola is making a giant evolutionary leap to being airborne. And how I literally feel like I need to sew my lips shut to not go around shouting, "Oh, now you believe in Evolution". Okay, that seriously made me laugh.
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Post by gar on Oct 19, 2014 17:07:50 GMT
It's been interesting to talk with some people here in the Bible Belt. How they believe Ebola is making a giant evolutionary leap to being airborne. And how I literally feel like I need to sew my lips shut to not go around shouting, "Oh, now you believe in Evolution". That's got to be hard to resist!! 
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Post by anxiousmom on Oct 19, 2014 17:34:34 GMT
In all seriousness the entovirus scares me more. I said something similar on a different thread. My kid is currently not feeling well. We had our first confirmed case here, and my son has had tangential contact with the family of the confirmed case. Additionally, he had RSV as a baby (and respiratory issues for years that he finally outgrew.) I am-not hysterical-but certainly cautious and concerned. Right not, due to where I live, Ebola is still fairly theoretical. The enterovirus has more of a potential of effecting my family right now. One thing at a time. Right?
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 19, 2014 17:41:18 GMT
In all seriousness the entovirus scares me more. I said something similar on a different thread. My kid is currently not feeling well. We had our first confirmed case here, and my son has had tangential contact with the family of the confirmed case. Additionally, he had RSV as a baby (and respiratory issues for years that he finally outgrew.) I am-not hysterical-but certainly cautious and concerned. Right not, due to where I live, Ebola is still fairly theoretical. The enterovirus has more of a potential of effecting my family right now. One thing at a time. Right? I'm worried about both. The affects of Ebola scare me more because I am hoping that my 13 year old DS is old enough that the enterovirus wouldn't be too bad on him. Both are a real threat to me. DH is a respiratory therapist and has been placed on the Ebola response team at his hospital. While his hospital is not designated as a "go to" hospital in our state, I really feel like the healthcare workers who deal with the patients BEFORE they have been confirmed to have the virus are at the most risk. Plus, if there were multiple cases, he does work for the health system that is the "go to" and has been told he would be reassigned there. The enterovirus is a respiratory thing, so he would be in contact with that if a patient comes in. I am honestly more fearful of him bringing one of the viruses home and the boys getting it than I am of him being infected. I don't know how much of either virus is needed to infect a person and I have this fear (probably irrational) of just a little bit making it home on him and infecting my family who would not be using any precautions. For Ebola, I told him he would not be coming home for the 21 day period. For enterovirus, we would do it like we did H1N1. He cleaned as much as he could at work. Came home, clothes went directly into the washer on hot by themselves and he took a shower. ETA; I am not panicking about Ebola, just trying to figure out what we would do if there was a patient with it. Enterovirus does make me a little jumpy and DS is being closely monitored when he doesn't feel good since he has asthma.
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Post by Sarah*H on Oct 19, 2014 17:43:39 GMT
My son has been sick for 12 days now and I took him to the doctor on Friday. He has asthma and we're worried about his cough. The pediatrician said that based on his symptoms, there is a good chance he has "E 68" as he called it but just like with the vast majority of kids who get it or will get it, my son will be fine. It is not something to freak out about either. There is a whole industry out there trying to make us panic about things that are not panic worthy.
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Post by JBeans on Oct 19, 2014 17:49:38 GMT
It's been interesting to talk with some people here in the Bible Belt. How they believe Ebola is making a giant evolutionary leap to being airborne. And how I literally feel like I need to sew my lips shut to not go around shouting, "Oh, now you believe in Evolution".  Funny how that is.....
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Post by theshyone on Oct 19, 2014 18:30:08 GMT
I said something similar on a different thread. My kid is currently not feeling well. We had our first confirmed case here, and my son has had tangential contact with the family of the confirmed case. Additionally, he had RSV as a baby (and respiratory issues for years that he finally outgrew.) I am-not hysterical-but certainly cautious and concerned. Right not, due to where I live, Ebola is still fairly theoretical. The enterovirus has more of a potential of effecting my family right now. One thing at a time. Right? I'm worried about both. The affects of Ebola scare me more because I am hoping that my 13 year old DS is old enough that the enterovirus wouldn't be too bad on him. Both are a real threat to me. DH is a respiratory therapist and has been placed on the Ebola response team at his hospital. While his hospital is not designated as a "go to" hospital in our state, I really feel like the healthcare workers who deal with the patients BEFORE they have been confirmed to have the virus are at the most risk. Plus, if there were multiple cases, he does work for the health system that is the "go to" and has been told he would be reassigned there. The enterovirus is a respiratory thing, so he would be in contact with that if a patient comes in. I am honestly more fearful of him bringing one of the viruses home and the boys getting it than I am of him being infected. I don't know how much of either virus is needed to infect a person and I have this fear (probably irrational) of just a little bit making it home on him and infecting my family who would not be using any precautions. For Ebola, I told him he would not be coming home for the 21 day period. For enterovirus, we would do it like we did H1N1. He cleaned as much as he could at work. Came home, clothes went directly into the washer on hot by themselves and he took a shower. ETA; I am not panicking about Ebola, just trying to figure out what we would do if there was a patient with it. Enterovirus does make me a little jumpy and DS is being closely monitored when he doesn't feel good since he has asthma. It's been on the news here lately a 20 yo died from E68 and asthma in BC. Before that it was thought only to affect children. I'm not sure where research is going with that. If you have a loved one in your house working with these patients it's a realistic fear.
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