georgiapea
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Post by georgiapea on Oct 19, 2014 16:04:07 GMT
It's very unlikely your DS's injury is this severe but my son-in-law has permanent brain damage from a head injury. Headaches were the major sign that his concussion was more severe than the initial treatment doctors thought.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 19, 2014 16:06:42 GMT
These are the things she suggested. We will take him in to express care, though just to make sure. This happened during the kickoff of the first game in a tournament. Our team ended up forfeiting the game and withdrawing from the rest of the tournament before half time due to injuries and cheap plays. Our team had 5 people out with concussions/head injuries and two other injuries by that time. The other team from our town played the other team from this town (the host town) prior to us and also had several kids out for the rest of the tournament. Parents and coaches were heard to be cheering "Take em out". It seemed that they were aiming for the bigger kids on the team (although our big kids were still much smaller than theirs) and it worked. We haven't had injuries like this all season. Apparently this tournament had been know to have this type of play in the past and our teams haven't gone for a few years. But, they were assured that things had been cleaned up so they gave it another shot. Obviously that wasn't the case. This was the end of football season so there is no concern about going back to playing right away, but DS would have gym class and casual play at home to be cleared for. Wow that is dirty playing for sure. If that many kids received injuries, can a formal complaint be made against that team and the couches? Even in the NFL there are huge fines if this is found to be true. Again, hope your ds is feeling himself soon!! I am sure there will be complaints. Not sure it will do any good, though. I'm sure we won't be going back. The second team that the other team from our town played was an even match. No major injuries and the game went into overtime. I'm assuming that our other team won't be playing the host teams again during the tournament since they lost to them already. At least I hope that is the case, and that none of the other teams there are similar. It was pretty sad when the coach announced that they were forfeiting. I was glad that no other kids would get hurt (and so were the parents) but the kids were crying. They are all 6th graders and this is their last year in this league. They were all looking forward to the tournament and they had special jerseys made with their names on them. It wasn't the way they wanted to end the season. However, some of the players stayed to play with the other team from our town (some parents refused due to what happened in the first game). We had a lot of parents cheering and I think it helped them to all come together. The kids hadn't been playing in these teams all season--they just divided the 6th graders who wanted to participate in the tournament into two teams. So, they had been practicing together all week in these teams but they all know each other and had been on mixed teams during the regular season.
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Post by Basket1lady on Oct 19, 2014 16:30:39 GMT
Don't give Advil if there is blurry vision. Tylenol is safer. If there is a brain bleed, Advil can decrease the clotting factor. It's a pretty small risk, so don't panic if you did give him Advil. Hopefully your guy is doing better. Most kids recover pretty quickly, but I would ask for a drs note to keep him from PE and recess for now until he is symptom free for several days.
As I said, DS (17) had a severe concussion in the spring. He was snowboarding and caught an edge and flipped onto his head. He hit the back of his head with a lateral move, which we were told was the worst place and way to be hit. He had a headache the first day, but didn't say anything other than to ask for Advil. He was on a scout trip and the chaperones were dealing with a kid who fell off the ski life and got a concussion, so they weren't paying a lot of attention to the other kids. He was really crabby when he got home the next day and I just thought something had happened with a friend and he didn't want to talk about it. The next day (Monday), the school nurse called in a panic and said that I needed to come and take DS to the ER. The principal met me at the door and escorted me to the nurse. We went straight to the ER and they did a CT scan, which showed some abnormalities, so then they scheduled an MRI. (Military health care--it takes an act of God to get an MRI here.)
DS was sent home with Fioricet and told no lights, TV, video games, monitors, computers, reading... Total brain rest. Really, DS just slept at that point, as he hadn't been sleeping well (didn't tell me.) If he read anything at all, he got a headache. We saw a concussion specialist that week, and continued more of the same. That dr added Amantadine and recommended more protein and an Omega 3 supplement. DS went back to school after 2 weeks for an hour a day. He would attend class until he had a headache and then I would take him home. He had a lot of light sensitivity and wore sunglasses inside for about a month, including at school. Mental fatigue was also a huge factor for him. His dr put him on total academic restrictions--no reading, writing, tests or quizzes, note taking or computer work. He was allowed to listen to audio books and he would do a lot of that. He and I did a lot of hanging out in his room, just listening to books or music and light talking. Once he started feeling better, it got boring fast.
DS was getting better, but very slowly. We finally got the MRI done and it was clear. We saw a pediatric neurologist after 5 weeks, and he was cleared to go back to school at that point. But we eased into it, as DS had 5 honors/AP classes and needed to catch up with a LOT of homework. He would go back and forth for an hour of class, then home for lunch and rest, and then another hour of class, building more time into his school day as he remained symptom free. So he officially went back to school full time after 8 weeks.
You can ask about an imPACT test, which measures memory and response time. However, if your DS didn't have a baseline test before his injury, it will be of limited use. When he returns to normal activity, he should be symptom free for several days--how many days really depends on how long he is symptomatic. If he doesn't have a headache tomorrow, I would consider that a short duration, but if he still has a headache in a week, I would take longer to resume regular play. At the high school, Return to Play is Day 1, no symptoms. Day 2, light walking for 20 minutes, Day 3 is a jog for 20 minutes, Day 4 can be weight bearing exercise for 20 minutes and Day 5 is full practice, all with no symptoms. If the kids miss school, they have to do Return to School first, with increasingly removing accommodations (like the sunglasses and reading and testing restrictions), with no return of symptoms.
It's not unusual for kids not to notice their symptoms. DS has taken imPACT tests since 7th grade and attends a yearly concussion training, but never figured out he had a concussion until it got severe enough to be an emergency.
Good luck!
ETA: I forgot to add the most important part! We are almost 8 months out now from DS's concussion and he is doing great. There doesn't seem to be any long lasting issues and he is doing really well in his six honors/AP classes. But we did decide that he won't be accepting any offers to play college football (he's a senior now), due to how bad his recovery was.
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Sarah*H
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Post by Sarah*H on Oct 19, 2014 16:34:01 GMT
Express care is a good start but he'll need to get an ImPACT test at place that does them. Most pediatricians in my area now do these tests. An MRI will rule out fracture or brain bleeding. An ImPACT test will show the current level of his brain function. They are very different things.
It's not something to mess around with. Yes, my son's first concussion was caused by an accident at a high rate of speed but the second and ultimately more serious one was caused by slipping on the sidewalk and hitting his face on the sidewalk. Anything that jars the brain can have consequences you wouldn't anticipate.
Please don't try to manage this yourself; let the experts decide if/when he's okay and what his brain needs to heal properly. All brain rest is not created equal. Plus, you're going to need directions from a medical professional to give to the school whether it's absence or temporary accommodations to deal with his needs.
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 19, 2014 16:51:27 GMT
Please let us know how he comes out. I am sure it is minor, but better safe than sorry.
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Post by lovetodigi on Oct 19, 2014 17:54:22 GMT
He definitely needs to be checked and probably have an MRI. I had a concussion a few years ago and had problems for weeks afterwards. Not to scare you, but to point out how serious it can be, there was an actress that had a head injury while skiing several years ago. She was walking around afterwards and seemed to just have a bit a a concussion. Then she fell dead. A head injury is nothing to mess around with and should not be treated on the sidelines at a ball game. It sounds like your son has more than a simple concussion and could get worse by waiting. Prayers for your son. Please report back when you return from having him checked out.
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Post by akathy on Oct 19, 2014 19:40:03 GMT
My 11 year old grandson got a concussion during football practice a few weeks ago. My DD who is a Nurse Practitioner promptly took him to the ER. Concussions are nothing to mess with. My grandson had a headache for about 3-4 days afterwards, missed the next week of practice and sat out the next game. Thankfully he's fine now. Please keep us posted on your DS.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 19:54:10 GMT
HOPE he is ok. If he were my son, he would not be playing any more football. These head injuries are cumulative.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 20:24:47 GMT
My almost 12 year old DS had a concussion a week ago. They were playing what was supposed to be no tackle football at recess and of course some decided to tackle. He fell hard, but didn't want to be a wimp about it. So he didn't tell his teacher right away that his vision was wonky, his head hurt, and he felt like throwing up. His teacher said he must not be feeling well as he was white as a ghost. I wish Our son would have said something sooner and not struggled in school for over an hour before he finally called me!
He called me to come and get him, I knew something was wrong but I though maybe he had an altercation of some sort, his teacher asked me to get back to him once I knew what was wrong.
We got home and I made an appointment to see a doctor that afternoon, 5 minutes later he filled ani ce cream bucket with puke and some blood mixed in. I of course panicked and got him in sooner. He recovered from his concussion very nicely but does still get an occasional mild headache. Very scary stuff.
And I should add, the teacher was livid. He had warned the students many times already that they were only allowed two hand contact during recess because no one is wearing safety equipment. He had apparently gone to each classroom and laid into the boys, told them what our DS was going through, and it was nothing to mess with.
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Post by 950nancy on Oct 19, 2014 20:33:17 GMT
My husband was the athletic trainer at a high school for 28 years. Most are mild and some are very serious. He tested all of his athletes on a concussion computer test as freshman, and if they had one they had to retest. The program helped the student/parent/medical personnel know how serious it was. My son was in a car accident almost two years ago and still suffers from the aftermath. He has both physical and mental long term issues. You just never know. Most concussions aren't that serious. If you really aren't sure, take him for your peace of mind and his.
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Post by smokey2471 on Oct 19, 2014 21:22:10 GMT
I rammed heads with my ex on a water slide. Dark tube type thing. His float got stuck and I came down and wham. I was out. I don't remember the ride etc . I went to lay down in club area and after a few hours we left and I went to ER. I had a fractured skull and concussion. I was on total brain rest for a week. Then minimal for 2 more. Then it took several more before I could do anything for longer that an hour or two. It was so boring!! I still have headaches in that spot and my eyesight never corrected. I wear glasses now  Dr said it would have taken much longer to heal if I had not started the brain rest when I did.
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Post by originalvanillabean on Oct 19, 2014 21:28:51 GMT
Glad you are taking him in. Blurred vision sounds scary and it will be better safe than sorry, if it is something major (internally).
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 19, 2014 21:37:00 GMT
Well, we ended up having to wait forever anyway...I'm more confused than before. The dr said it was hard to tell if he had a concussion or not, since there is no test for it. He said he was fine to go to gym class? But he said we should check in with our provider in two days.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Oct 19, 2014 21:42:28 GMT
You need to go to a different doctor. This is not something to mess around with.
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Post by anxiousmom on Oct 19, 2014 21:47:45 GMT
Well, we ended up having to wait forever anyway...I'm more confused than before. The dr said it was hard to tell if he had a concussion or not, since there is no test for it. He said he was fine to go to gym class? But he said we should check in with our provider in two days. I don't know a single thing about concussions. I got lucky, the boys played soccer for the longest time, but we never had head injuries. Knees injuries? Oh yes, but not head injuries. After you asked the question, I googled the symptoms of a concussion because I wasn't really sure I would know if it happened. I found this website that seemed to explain the symptoms and things to look for in a way that was easy for me to understand. Two of the symptoms you described-dizziness and blurred vision. I would be concerned about a doctor that took those two symptoms and said he couldn't tell. You should check out the website, see how the symptoms fit, and then decide from there.
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Post by anniefb on Oct 19, 2014 21:53:59 GMT
I would go to a different doctor. I agree about not underestimating the seriousness of a concussion. A friend had a concussion snowboarding a couple of years ago. She didn't realise she was concussed and kept going. She is still dealing with a lot of the effects today and can still only work part time. ETA: Here's a check list from the NZ Brain Injury Association www.brain-injury.org.nz/html/concussion.html
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 19, 2014 21:56:30 GMT
Can you stay home from work tomorrow and get him in to see your regular doctor? I'd be worried about the diagnosis of that doctor
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Post by Sarah*H on Oct 19, 2014 21:59:33 GMT
No. There is a test, in fact there are several different kinds of tests, and it is shameful that any medical provider would tell you something like that. You need to contact your pediatrician in the morning and if he/she can't test for it, get a referral for a doctor who can. Truly, if that's the advice you were given, it's medical malpractice. Use this link to find an ImPACT provider near you. I don't know how many different ways to say it but a concussion is not something to be wishy washy about. You can't tell by looking at your child whether or not it's a mild or a serious concussion. Most concussions ARE mild and resolve quickly but still require accommodations in activities which you are not qualified to determine. If your son got a concussion a week ago and is still having mild headaches, he is NOT recovered. Full recovery is the absence of any symptoms. Any headache, no matter how mild, is an indication that something is still going on in his brain that is not right. Here is the specific symptom list that my son had to monitor and give a numeric value to every day: Headache, nausea, vomiting, balance problems, dizziness, light headedness, fatigue, trouble falling asleep, sleeping more than usual, sleeping less than usual, drowsiness, sensitivity to light, sensitivity to noise, irritability, sadness, nervous/anxious, feeling more emotional than usual, numbness or tingling, feeling slowed down, feeling like in a fog, difficulty concentrating, difficulty remembering, visual problems.
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Post by lucyg on Oct 20, 2014 5:45:34 GMT
There is so much good information in Sarah*H's post that I'm bumping it for iamkristinl16. My sister suffered a traumatic brain injury a few years ago and has not recovered 100% (and will not). You can't tell by looking if a concussion is serious or not, and you need to see a doctor who actually cares.
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Post by kristi on Oct 20, 2014 7:44:15 GMT
My 8 yr old was playing basketball in August when he hit the wooden floors hard. He didn't lose consciousness but was dizzy, couldn't recall information & had a headache.
We went to the ER with him that night. They did a brain MRI to make sure he didn't have a brain bleed. He did not.
They also told us that there is not any test they can do to confirm the concussion but based on his symptoms, he did have one.
He stayed at home resting for 4 days. He took 3 weeks off from basketball & soccer. The headache went away on day 3.
We also followed up with his Pediatrician & got a release to go back to sports after his time off.
I am more worried about future injuries at this point as we have been told the 2nd one causes more damage than the first. He is not playing basketball & we bought him a concussion head support to wear for soccer.
Best of luck to your son.
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Post by manda on Oct 20, 2014 8:09:42 GMT
I think of urgent care for situations where I think I have strep or flu... not a concussion. I think you should go to your true doctor or ER, though with how long you have waited, maybe there is no point now. I don't know.
I had a concussion twice and have a memory issue. While for most, concussions don't have lasting impacts, there are the exceptions to the rules. That's why an ER should be visited for possible head injuries every single time.
You have heard of people who hit there head, feel fine so do nothing, and then die several hours or days later, correct?
I'm sorry this sounds harsh, but every year, we hear of a snowboarding or skiing incident where somebody hits their head, is fine immediately after, and dies later. Please get your son legitimately checked out.
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Post by Basket1lady on Oct 20, 2014 11:14:41 GMT
At this point, I think the time for panic is over. He's two days out and didn't show enough signs yesterday for the dr to diagnose a concussion. At this point, that's a good thing. Our athletic trainer doesn't send every kid with a head injury to the ER, and she is very conservative when treating all head injuries. Most do fine with monitoring. Yes, I would have taken a child to the ER with blurry vision after a hit like that, but that ship has already sailed. I know Kristen lives in a very rural area and modern view points on concussion probably haven't caught up to modern thought on concussions. Heck, I took my kid (the one who was out for 8 weeks with a concussion) to the ER dr that is supposed to specialize in traumatic brain injuries and they still only classified it as a head injury, not a concussion. It was only after the symptoms persisted that they changed the diagnosis. Doctors differ in their opinion on how to treat a head injury and how to classify it. There isn't a blood test or a definitive test for a concussion--it's diagnosed off of symptoms.
Having said that, as a parent this is what I would do. Take it for what it's worth--I'm not a dr, just a mom with experience with a severe injury. I would follow up with my pediatrician and keep my kid out of school until symptoms are gone. Don't have him read, watch TV, play on the computer, play video games, etc until he is symptom free. No PE, recess, after school playing outside, or any sport practice for at least the next week. I would watch for any symptoms such as Sarah H listed and I would delay any return to PE or activity until he has been symptom free for at least a week. And then I would slowly add in non contact, non weight bearing, non vasal vagal activity after that. Back off if there is any return of symptoms.
The more the brain rests, the quicker the healing. There is a direct correlation between brain rest and healing after a concussion. A concussion actually changes the chemistry in the brain and that needs to return to normal before returning to regular activities. That can take a few days for one person or longer for another.
For at least a week after he is all fine again, avoid any activity that jars the head. Football, flag football, basketball, anything where he can trip and fall. Studies show that a person is vulnerable to Second Impact Syndrome while they are still healing from the first concussion. Concussion effects are cumulative, but the Second Impact Syndrome applies during the healing phase when healing from a previous concussion. That's why doctors warn against jarring activity too soon.
Good luck, Kristen. It sounds like your DS is doing better. Be patient with him. When there isn't a visible injury, it's easy to get frustrated and to have others think it's not that serious.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 20, 2014 12:54:55 GMT
I posted something last night but it must have gotten lost or I forgot to push the reply button twice. Anyway...
If you click the link that I posted, you will see that the place we went to is advertised as "Your emergency room alternative". If you go to the link, head injury is listed there on the list as things that they treat. They have emergency room doctors there. While we were waiting there was someone with a stroke and another with an appendicitis that was there, which is why the dr. said it took so long (I assume they sent them to the hospital). It isn't like taking your child to a minute clinic or something. I'm not sure what to think about the Dr., though. He gave us a long explanation about what concussions are, how your brain works, etc. But the info was different than I am hearing here. He said that there is no test for concussion, but that in his opnion, if you aren't knocked unconscious, you probably don't have one. He did not look in DS's eyes or do any kind of exam except to ask about his symptoms. He had no headache at the time, but had had Tylenol a few hours before. He was still sensitive to light and had slightly blurry vision. He touched both of his arms and asked if they felt the same. DS said no, that one felt different than the other. He did it again and the dr asked, "Are you sure about that?" DS said the same thing and the Dr. just said, "Weird." He said that he should be symptom free for 7-14 days before playing contact sports, but thought he was ok for gym class. The nurse had said the standard is now 4 weeks and going back slowly. He also said that the symptoms of concussion are things that people commonly have, so you don't know if it a concussion or "being human". IMO, you can tell the difference if it is something new for the child or if it is something they have struggled with before.
I wouldn't say that I live in a rural area with backwards medical care. I'm not sure where that came from? IMO, we have very good medical care here, which is why I trusted the people at the game who initially said that he did not need to go in unless things got worse.
The good news is that DS is feeling better today. We will follow up with his primary doctor today or tomorrow, whenever I can get him in. Our dr. is the head of the pediatric department and is very thorough. I trust his opinion so I would prefer to see him rather than getting in with someone else, unless he is not available today or tomorrow.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 20, 2014 12:59:53 GMT
He did go to school today, but I wrote a note saying that he had a head injury over the weekend and should not engage in physical activity. If he begins having a headache, dizziness, blurred vision, he should stop what he is doing and rest. Hopefully the school will take our note seriously since it isn't from a dr. He knows to call if he is not feeling well.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Oct 20, 2014 13:44:10 GMT
Acutally all the tests they do for a concussion are neurological. They don't necessarily say concussion or how severe it was. CT/MRIs are approp if he cont's to have symptoms. I also believe the Impact test needs to be done before the event. So it would not tell them anything right now.
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Post by sweetandsour on Oct 20, 2014 13:56:37 GMT
He said that there is no test for concussion, but that in his opnion, if you aren't knocked unconscious, you probably don't have one. OMG...I rarely say this about medical opinions, but did this doctor get his MD out of a Cracker Jack box? We have a concussion clinic in my city and my nephew is currently receiving care there. He's never had a loss of consciousness concussion.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 14:08:28 GMT
I don't trust those walk in places anymore. I took my 12 yr old DD to an Urgent care after she got hurt playing soccer. They x-rayed her foot and found nothing. Sent us home and told her to ice it. I took a look at the x-rays on my home computer. I was dumbfounded when I saw the fracture at the exact spot she was having pain. I took her right in to a foot specialist the next morning. It was BROKEN. The podiatrist was so ticked off at the Urgent care. He basically said they are mostly incompetent. In this case I have to agree. I won't be gambling at those places anymore.
I really, really hope you take him to see your Dr asap!
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Post by knit.pea on Oct 20, 2014 14:11:04 GMT
Given the number of moms on here who have extensive experience, you need to listen.
TAKE HIM TO ANOTHER DOC
BRAIN INJURIES ARE NOT TO BE DISMISSED
TAKE HIM NOW
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 20, 2014 14:20:07 GMT
It sounds like you're following up with your medical provider you trust, which is a good idea. It's possible that with so many urgent cases (you mentioned a stroke and appendicitis), your son's care wasn't ideal. I find it shocking that he would suggest that if he wasn't knocked unconscious he doesn't have a concussion - I frankly wonder if the individual treating your son was actually a MD or you saw a NP or PA - although even they should be aware that the majority of concussions don't involve loss of consciousness. The fact that he didn't look in his eyes or exam him is also quite odd. I'd pay close attention to any symptoms that worsen. Most concussions are mild, and heal fine - but you don't want to mess around with the brain.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 14:26:00 GMT
This doctor is dead wrong.
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