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Post by Jili on Jan 3, 2020 10:34:09 GMT
I’m at my parents’ house, two States away. Have been up for about three hours with my young adult daughter, who started feeling badly shortly after going to bed. She is vomiting and has diarrhea. She is camped out in the bathroom and feeling very terrible, but she can’t leave the bathroom just yet. It is freezing in there and not comfortable so I set her up with blankets, pillows, and a heating pad. She is trying to suck on ice cubes in between bouts at the toilet.
She is having stomach cramps and is just feeling awful. I’ve been so lucky all of these years— usually vomiting has been a one and done thing. The stomach cramps have me concerned. It doesn’t sound like appendix pain to me from what I have googled. At what point, hypothetically, do I take her to be seen? Or do we jus ride this out? She is really straining as she’s being sick and it’s horrible.
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Post by nlwilkins on Jan 3, 2020 10:42:44 GMT
The sucking ice cubes would make me worse, just saying. Though, there comes a point when fluids have to be replaced or one gets dehydrated. Try something not so hard on the stomach and only if she is able to keep it down.(For some reason, water is not so easy on the tummy, but take some cola and pour it back and forth between glasses to get a bunch of the carbonation out and give her that.) Does she has a temp? If so and you cannot bring it down below 101 with aspirin or Tylenol then go to ER. Is she lucid and able to comprehend what is going on? If not to the ER Does she have any kind of sharp pain, or bad dull pain? Did she eat anything questionable? like could be causing food poisoning? Just because no one else got it does not mean she doesn't have it. One section of a bowl of food can be contaminated and the other not yet. Real food poisoning means ER.
Basically, you just have to watch and see if any of it calms down. Is she getting worse or not? BUT - I am not a nurse or doctor, just been through this with kids.
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Post by Jili on Jan 3, 2020 10:58:41 GMT
Aww thanks. I am glad to have someone to reach out to. She is resting in the bathroom now and says she thinks she feels a bit better. In doubt it’s over but she is quite upset as well as sick. She seems a bit calmer. Honestly it’s not all that comfortable lying on the floor in the bathroom here—my moms house is very small, and it’s a basement bathroom.
She’s warmer and a tad more comfortable now. I will move her as soon as it seems possible.
I poured her some warm caffeine free Diet Coke and left that with her as a choice if the ice cubes aren’t appealing to her. I’m checking on her every few minutes. She does not seem to have a fever.
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Post by brandy327 on Jan 3, 2020 11:05:02 GMT
Aww thanks. I am glad to have someone to reach out to. She is resting in the bathroom now and says she thinks she feels a bit better. In doubt it’s over but she is quite upset as well as sick. She seems a bit calmer. Honestly it’s not all that comfortable lying on the floor in the bathroom here—my moms house is very small, and it’s a basement bathroom. She’s warmer and a tad more comfortable now. I will move her as soon as it seems possible. I poured her some warm caffeine free Diet Coke and left that with her as a choice if the ice cubes aren’t appealing to her. I’m checking on her every few minutes. She does not seem to have a fever. Oh no!! I'm sorry she's sick. Unfortunately tbt stomach cramps are fairly normal in my experience. Dd#2 and I both just had a stomach bug a few days ago. While I never vomited, the stomach cramps were awful and 3 days later I'm still dealing with them. Hope she's feeling better soon.
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Post by LisaDV on Jan 3, 2020 11:11:17 GMT
I'm glad she's feeling a bit better. I've been through it with kids too and agree with nlwilkins. I give sprite to my ds. DD doesn't drink carbondated beverages so she gets sips of room temp water. I hope she and you can get some rest today.
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Post by Jili on Jan 3, 2020 11:15:20 GMT
I'm glad she's feeling a bit better. I've been through it with kids too and agree with nlwilkins. I give sprite to my ds. DD doesn't drink carbondated beverages so she gets sips of room temp water. I hope she and you can get some rest today. Thank you. She’s been quiet for a few minutes which is encouraging. I am tired. I think that when my dh wakes up I’m putting him in charge so I can go lie down. Next up— do we stay here until tomorrow as planned or just head for home later today (6-7 hour drive) before more of us get it? Ugh. I guess it depends on several factors. We were supposed to go to my sister’s house for dinner but I don’t see that happening.
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Post by LisaDV on Jan 3, 2020 11:25:53 GMT
I'm glad she's feeling a bit better. I've been through it with kids too and agree with nlwilkins . I give sprite to my ds. DD doesn't drink carbondated beverages so she gets sips of room temp water. I hope she and you can get some rest today. Thank you. She’s been quiet for a few minutes which is encouraging. I am tired. I think that when my dog wakes up I’m putting him in charge so I can go lie down. Next up— do we stay here until tomorrow as planned or just head for home later today (6-7 hour drive) before more of us get it? Ugh. I guess it depends on several factors. We were supposed to go to my sister’s house for dinner but I don’t see that happening.
That's a tough call and will depend upon if she feels like traveling.
We've been in and had family visit in this situation. When DS had it, he wanted to be home as soon as possible. As soon as he isn't vomiting or rushing to the bathroom + a couple of hours, we were on the road. My sister's family had this happen with her DS and they left the very next day or maybe they drove that night so he could sleep in the car.
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Post by brandy327 on Jan 3, 2020 12:06:38 GMT
I'm glad she's feeling a bit better. I've been through it with kids too and agree with nlwilkins. I give sprite to my ds. DD doesn't drink carbondated beverages so she gets sips of room temp water. I hope she and you can get some rest today. Thank you. She’s been quiet for a few minutes which is encouraging. I am tired. I think that when my dh wakes up I’m putting him in charge so I can go lie down. Next up— do we stay here until tomorrow as planned or just head for home later today (6-7 hour drive) before more of us get it? Ugh. I guess it depends on several factors. We were supposed to go to my sister’s house for dinner but I don’t see that happening. Yeah, I think I'd head home as soon as she felt up to it. There's nothing worse than being sick away from home.
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Post by Jili on Jan 3, 2020 12:34:59 GMT
Well, she’s still getting sick and is still feeling crampy and awful. Ugh.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Jan 3, 2020 12:51:28 GMT
This type of illness seems to be going around lately. I've had several friends dealing with it and describing it as the 'most sick' they've ever been. Which is to say, she might bot need an ER visit - it may just be a grit-your-teeth-and-get-through-it thing.
Do try to prevent dehydration. She needs to be sipping on anything she can tolerate.
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Post by johnnysmom on Jan 3, 2020 12:54:27 GMT
Poor thing ☹️ Being sick is awful but being sick away from home is even worse...at least she has mom there so I’m sure that helps.
As for when is it time to worry....I don’t think you’re there yet. Unless she’s really lethargic or confused or something vomiting/diarrhea/cramps aren’t enough for an ER visit at least not yet. In my experience the first 24 hours are spent between bed and toilet (less bed more toilet in the first few hours). It usually takes another day of resting and lounging around to feel better. As for when to leave, once she can be away from the bathroom for a few hours let her decide. As much as she probably wants to be home a long drive might be worse than waiting another day.
Hope she feels better soon and no one else catches it.
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Post by marzbar71 on Jan 3, 2020 13:15:06 GMT
I read this tip online and while I haven't tried it, a friend did with her kids and it worked. Get a can of peaches in syrup. Take a spoonful of the syrup every 15 minutes for an hour. If there is an "incident" during that hour, start over.
With my friend, both of her kids perked up within a couple of hours.
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Post by mikklynn on Jan 3, 2020 13:31:21 GMT
It sounds like classic norovirus. It usually runs about 24 hours. It is highly contagious. You will need to clean that bathroom really well before anyone else uses it. Also, she should stay out of the kitchen and not prepare food for others for at least 48 hours after her last symptoms.
Flat Coke is a good way to get a little fluid and up her blood sugar. My doctor recommended that when I had severe morning sickness.
I would not be in a hurry to travel. What if you get it partway home?
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Post by kelly8875 on Jan 3, 2020 13:39:44 GMT
It sounds like classic norovirus. It usually runs about 24 hours. It is highly contagious. You will need to clean that bathroom really well before anyone else uses it. Also, she should stay out of the kitchen and not prepare food for others for at least 48 hours after her last symptoms. Flat Coke is a good way to get a little fluid and up her blood sugar. My doctor recommended that when I had severe morning sickness. I would not be in a hurry to travel. What if you get it partway home? This is what I though of when I started reading. It’s horrible and comes out both ends. There’s been a story on our news that the hospitals have seen a quick increase of people coming in with it. It spreads fast and is just horrendous. It’s been years since I had it, but ugh, it seems like yesterday.
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Post by pierkiss on Jan 3, 2020 13:52:32 GMT
Our family has had the Norovirus about 3 times now. This is exactly what happens to me when I get it. I usually will sit on the toilet holding a bowl. 🤢. The stomach cramps that come with it are unreal. Fever and chills are also symptoms.
Just a heads up, if it is the Norovirus, you should expect to come down with it in the next 12-48 hrs. It spreads through families lightening fast, and from my experience no one in the house escapes it.
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Post by maryland on Jan 3, 2020 14:22:56 GMT
I'm glad she's feeling a bit better. I've been through it with kids too and agree with nlwilkins . I give sprite to my ds. DD doesn't drink carbondated beverages so she gets sips of room temp water. I hope she and you can get some rest today. Thank you. She’s been quiet for a few minutes which is encouraging. I am tired. I think that when my dh wakes up I’m putting him in charge so I can go lie down. Next up— do we stay here until tomorrow as planned or just head for home later today (6-7 hour drive) before more of us get it? Ugh. I guess it depends on several factors. We were supposed to go to my sister’s house for dinner but I don’t see that happening. If she is feeling better, and there are lots of rest stops along the way, maybe you could try heading home. But if she isn't feeling up to it, maybe you should stay. Are there hotels along the way if you need to stay overnight? I don't blame you, it's no fun to be stuck away from home when you have a virus. And if it goes through everyone, you may be stuck there for longer. I hope you all feel better and you get some sleep!
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Post by Jili on Jan 3, 2020 14:31:50 GMT
No fever, and it’s been about 90 minutes since anything has happened last, but she’s still in the bathroom. Still complaining of stomach cramps. Hoping this is just a noroviris. My dd brews and drinks her own kombucha, and I’m kind of wondering if this has something to do with that. Maybe a bad batch of some kind. Keeping a close eye on her and I won’t be letting her drink the last bottle she brought with us.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 3, 2020 15:09:58 GMT
Instead of water or ice, I would choose Gatorade or Pedialyte to help replace electrolytes along with fluids. One of my brothers ended up in the ER from dehydration about a month ago after a bout with something similar and it was serious enough that it started causing kidney failure. I wouldn’t wait it out more than a day or two before being seen if it doesn’t let up. Hope she feels better soon and that the rest of you are able to avoid it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 15:34:59 GMT
I would choose Gatorade or Pedialyte to help replace electrolytes along with fluids. My mom had something similar and was just seen by her Dr. who diagnosed her with dehydration even though she has been drinking lots of water. She said that my mom had dehydration caused by lack of electrolytes not really lack of water. Hope she feels better soon!
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on Jan 3, 2020 15:39:42 GMT
I agree it sounds fairly standard but to ease your mind you could call your dr. Most have a 24-hour nurse line you can run through the symptoms and get their advice.
We always use sprite or 7-up, which seems to help a little. But Gatorade is a good choice too to help with dehydration. Good luck! I hope she’s feeling better soon.
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Post by pjaye on Jan 3, 2020 15:53:32 GMT
In general, a normal healthy adult with no medical conditions can handle 48hrs of a vomiting & diarrhoea without getting significantly dehydrated.
If she feels OK sucking ice cubes then she can do that, but she doesn't need to force herself to drink, when this is going on sometimes just letting the stomach be empty and "rest' is the best thing. Once she's gone 3-4hrs without vomiting then she should try sipping water, start slowly a mouthful at a time every 15mins for a couple of hours, then maybe 1/2 cup every 1/2hr for a few hours. If she tries to drink too much too fast it will probably come up again, having small amounts allows the stomach to absorb the water before it can be vomited up again. The biggest mistake people make is to try and gulp down glasses of water just after they have vomited and that just keeps the cycle going. Start slowly small amounts and gradually increase the amounts over several hours as tolerated. You can get one of the electrolyte drinks, but they taste pretty gross. If it only lasts 1-2 days then plain water is fine. Ignore the advice about sugary drinks (including canned fruit syrup) that went out with the ark, high sugar fluids will make you dehydrated more quickly. If she is really craving something other than plain water, you can try a soda - but dilute with water 1:4. Avoid fruit juices. Don't give her aspirin or ibuprofen - they both irritate the stomach. No real point in giving any OTC analgesia as it won't help any of her symptoms but if she wants to take something then use Tylenol.
At this point it is not ER worthy, but if she's really miserable with the vomiting then going to a doctor to get an injection (or Zofran wafer) to try to stop it is an option. They won't give anything for the diarrhoea though (whatever bug she has needs to clear out, no point stopping it). If she has any medication that she needs to take, then going to a doctor for an anti-vomiting drug would be recommended...and also if she's on the pill and sexually active she should take extra precautions for the next month as this episode will mean her pills weren't absorbed properly.
Once she's drinking water then start back on a light/bland diet, plain rice, white bread, mashed potato etc for a couple of days, and then gradually return to a normal diet. After an episode like this, people can have diarrhoea for up two weeks - see a doctor if it lasts longer than that.
Basically she needs to ride it out over the next 24-48 hrs. Personally I wouldn't drive home before that if you don't have to as she's going to be feeling pretty miserable and a bit delicate.
To stop anyone else getting the key is excellent hand hygiene - use separate bathrooms if possible, wash everything down with bleach solution...including the door handles, basin taps, basin, and toilet flush button. Everyone needs to wash their hands over and over - especially before eating/handling/preparing or serving food, don't touch your face or mouth, don't share anything (towels utensils etc).
I hope she's feeling better soon.
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Post by LisaDV on Jan 3, 2020 16:10:06 GMT
No fever, and it’s been about 90 minutes since anything has happened last, but she’s still in the bathroom. Still complaining of stomach cramps. Hoping this is just a noroviris. My dd brews and drinks her own kombucha, and I’m kind of wondering if this has something to do with that. Maybe a bad batch of some kind. Keeping a close eye on her and I won’t be letting her drink the last bottle she brought with us. Hopefully she's through the most active part then. I would start her on some sort of electrolyte drink ( link to homemade).
If it is the norovirus, I hope no one else gets it. The last time it was in our home (2017), dd had it. I came down with it due to taking care of her, but the boys never did get it. I made sure they kept their distance and wiped everything down that we touched with cleaning wipes and then sprayed with lysol.
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Post by elaine on Jan 3, 2020 16:36:16 GMT
You have gotten excellent advice from pjaye, so I won’t add to that.
I just wanted to add that I almost always get stomach and intestinal cramps when I have a vomiting bug. I am somewhat vulnerable to them compared to the rest of my family. For me, the cramping usually starts because I am somewhat dehydrated from vomiting. On the few occasions I’ve had to go to the ER, the cramping stops fairly quickly after being hooked up to a plain saline I.v. All that to say that I don’t think that the cramps are necessarily a sign that something worse is going on than a stomach bug or food poisoning.
I try to make myself drink just 1/4 cup of liquid every hour, then if that stays down, move it to every 30 minutes and then every 15 minutes. But, until I stop vomiting I don’t try more than 1/4 cup at a time.
As far as the kombucha, I’d keep an eye on the rest of the family. If others come down with the bug, you can be fairly sure that the kombucha didn’t do it. However, if your daughter is the only one with the bug, you may want to consider food poisoning from the brew. She would need to toss it all, disinfect her equipment and be very careful if she starts brewing again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 16:46:54 GMT
With ds, if it has been 24 hours OR his mouth and eyes are dry we must go to the ER because of his short bowel syndrome and medical needs.
With myself, dh, and dd doctors have always suggested gut rest and pedialyte as tolerated (even if that is just a sip). Slowly add back in clear liquids for 24 hours and then slowly add back BRAT foods. Go slow.
If she becomes lethargic or it is a continual runs/vomiting then I would go. But the stomach bug can be a 24 hour thing with cramps
Hope she is feeling better!!!
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Post by Jili on Jan 3, 2020 16:49:19 GMT
Excellent advice all of you, special thanks to pjaye. I’ve been doing the mom thing for a long time but haven’t seen anything quite like this. I appreciate the one-stop reference and I learned some new things.
She hasn’t vomited in a few hours but has been in the toilet a few times and says her stomach is still just so crampy. She hasn’t left the bathroom yet. I think she feels more secure there and it’s private.
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Post by caangel on Jan 3, 2020 16:54:37 GMT
No fever, and it’s been about 90 minutes since anything has happened last, but she’s still in the bathroom. Still complaining of stomach cramps. Hoping this is just a noroviris. My dd brews and drinks her own kombucha, and I’m kind of wondering if this has something to do with that. Maybe a bad batch of some kind. Keeping a close eye on her and I won’t be letting her drink the last bottle she brought with us. Hopefully she's through the most active part then. I would start her on some sort of electrolyte drink ( link to homemade).
If it is the norovirus, I hope no one else gets it. The last time it was in our home (2017), dd had it. I came down with it due to taking care of her, but the boys never did get it. I made sure they kept their distance and wiped everything down that we touched with cleaning wipes and then sprayed with lysol.
"Just" norovirus? This swept through our family (10 of us on vacation) and it was awful! Only 2 of the 10 escaped getting it. Like someone else said. Prepare yourself that you may get it. So sorry you have to deal with this.
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Post by mustlovecats on Jan 3, 2020 17:04:55 GMT
Hopefully she's through the most active part then. I would start her on some sort of electrolyte drink ( link to homemade).
If it is the norovirus, I hope no one else gets it. The last time it was in our home (2017), dd had it. I came down with it due to taking care of her, but the boys never did get it. I made sure they kept their distance and wiped everything down that we touched with cleaning wipes and then sprayed with lysol.
"Just" norovirus? This swept through our family (10 of us on vacation) and it was awful! Only 2 of the 10 escaped getting it. Like someone else said. Prepare yourself that you may get it. So sorry you have to deal with this. I think “just” norovirus in my vocabulary means it’s a quick illness that while truly awful will resolve itself fairly quickly and usually without other complications. As opposed to food poisoning which can in addition to the dehydration have other issues associated with it, such as the toxins from the bacteria that usually cause it. I am actually a major emetophobe and when someone in my house is tummy sick it’s hard for me to deal with, but knowing it’s a self contained illness that rarely needs other treatment is helpful.
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Post by brookeq on Jan 3, 2020 17:13:51 GMT
We had this last week on our family trip to a cabin near Yellowstone. My poor daughter got it first and threw up over the side of the loft area and down the ladder! Then I got it and then my husband. Lots of time in the bathroom. Some throwing up and a lot of going number 2! I will say that it was mostly 24 hour for us. So hopefully she is feeling better soon.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 17:52:47 GMT
If this is the norovirus, you'd likely be showing symptoms right now. It's highly contagious. Hoping your DD feels better soon, but I definitely wouldn't be traveling in her state. Make sure she stays hydrated.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 3, 2020 18:12:08 GMT
Be very careful—flu could lead to something worse.
If she’s spending a lot of time in the bathroom I’ll bet she’s going to get very dehydrated quickly.
Since the Christmas holiday break began, my nephew has gone to emergency 3 times just to get fluids after having a stomach flu bug.
Once you’re severely dehydrated, you might need that medical intervention to remedy and bring back to normal.
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