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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 16:05:36 GMT
Seriously, are there not a few more scrappers who are Latinx, African-American or other non-white, non-millennials? I know there are because I see their youtube channels. Yeah, you can use the old "Maybe they don't apply..." but in Tech we've learned the answer to that issue is to SEEK DIVERSITY OUT in more and different places. At least there are a few women representing the non-white, non-30'sish scrappers - but c'mon. This is disappointing to me. \
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Post by canadianscrappergirl on Jan 8, 2020 16:30:50 GMT
Hmm so how would those companies search out for that diversity. I get what you are saying but maybe it really is just a case of those minorities not applying or maybe if some did apply there were others who had better DT portfolios.
I just quickly looked at the photos but I know Victoria Marie has been a DT member for Hip Kit I believe.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 16:35:52 GMT
Hmm so how would those companies search out for that diversity. I get what you are saying but maybe it really is just a case of those minorities not applying or maybe if some did apply there were others who had better DT portfolios. I just quickly looked at the photos but I know Victoria Marie has been a DT member for Hip Kit I believe. I don't know their industry well enough to answer that. But that should be something THEY are figuring out. In tech, we had to reach past the normal "country club/ivy league" set, if you will, to recruit from more diverse universities, colleges and trade schools. We had to find groups on social media like LinkedIn and Facebook where diverse talent was congregating. We had to make a concerted effort to reach out to underrepresented communities. It took time, energy and money. But we're doing better. We have a LONG way to go, but we're moving in the right direction.
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Post by nicolep on Jan 8, 2020 16:50:38 GMT
I get tired of seeing the same designers over and over.
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Post by cristelina on Jan 8, 2020 17:07:31 GMT
Two thoughts: Are they all still from Utah? And scrappy supplies be so white. I rarely see a person/kid of color. And I don't think I have seen any Latinos/Latinas in collections. And now I am going to stereotype (because I'm Mexican and taught Mexican children for 29 years). It is a very expensive hobby. It is also portrayed as uncool and oh so white in the media. I go to two or three scrappy retreats a year. I can count on one hand the number of POC that attend these. Well, two hands, if I count myself.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 17:17:58 GMT
I get tired of seeing the same designers over and over. Right!?!?! I think Meghann Andrew is on THREE teams. FFS. Spread it out a bit, people.
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Post by julie5 on Jan 8, 2020 17:25:23 GMT
To me it’s really sad it took us 20 years to just get to this, where having a child wasn’t a requirement to inspire. But yeah, where the poc at? Men too becauE it isn’t just white women acrapbooking. I believe cocoa daisy has a man on their team. Also let’s stop assuming crafty men are gay. Sorry, this is why I don’t like all the generic mass produced stuff because it comes with a generic design team shoving generic ideas down our throats. But that’s why I never made it onto many teams and now don’t care to try, because I’m not afraid to call it what it is: ass kissing.
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Post by refugeepea on Jan 8, 2020 17:55:31 GMT
I feel like scrapping is dead for the most part compared to what it was at its peak. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the members were not from Utah. From what I've read over the years, the compensation isn't great either. In order to be on a design team they prefer you have a following on social media platforms. It seems like a lot of effort to be paid a minimal amount or compensated in products.
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Post by mom on Jan 8, 2020 18:02:18 GMT
I will be honest - I don't see being on a DT as a big deal. I almost never go to them for my inspiration, so I don't care who is on them. I've done all the DT gigs - the pay (if any) sucks, the demands are high and for what? So you can pimp out your family? #nothanks #lessonlearned
While at one time, being on a DT was something but now? I just dont think it is. The days of someone 'becoming something' because of being on a DT are pretty much gone. I think now more people search out those who they want to see by finding them on their own. I haven't looked at Ali's DT work in years. But I did find Brandi on insta (through her OH Harriet series) and now follow her. Makes zero difference to me that she is on a DT. Or that she's white. 🤷♀️
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Post by julie5 on Jan 8, 2020 18:03:58 GMT
I feel like scrapping is dead for the most part compared to what it was at its peak. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the members were not from Utah. From what I've read over the years, the compensation isn't great either. In order to be on a design team they prefer you have a following on social media platforms. It seems like a lot of effort to be paid a minimal amount or compensated in products. And the ability to make professional quality videos. I make crappy hand held videos of my husband for his job and we make a shit ton more than anything a scrapbook company would compensate. Like I’ve said on other posts, I refuse to do YouTube. I’ll watch gymnastics videos from pre 2000 and that’s about it. I’d rather just scrapbook rather than watch someone else do it. My kid likes to watch videos of other kids opening stuff and that’s so weird to me.
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Post by auntmimi on Jan 8, 2020 18:05:30 GMT
And scrappy supplies be so white. I rarely see a person/kid of color. And I don't think I have seen any Latinos/Latinas in collections. And now I am going to stereotype (because I'm Mexican and taught Mexican children for 29 years). It is a very expensive hobby. It is also portrayed as uncool and oh so white in the media. I go to two or three scrappy retreats a year. I can count on one hand the number of POC that attend these. Well, two hands, if I count myself. As a white woman married to a Mexican man and having a Mexican daughter, I 10000% agree with everything you said.
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Post by refugeepea on Jan 8, 2020 18:15:28 GMT
And the ability to make professional quality videos. I make crappy hand held videos of my husband for his job and we make a shit ton more than anything a scrapbook company would compensate. Like I’ve said on other posts, I refuse to do YouTube. I’ll watch gymnastics videos from pre 2000 and that’s about it. I’d rather just scrapbook rather than watch someone else do it. My kid likes to watch videos of other kids opening stuff and that’s so weird to me. I don't have much interest in youtube either. I'm a very simple scrapper. I prefer to look at a photo and I get enough inspiration that way. I was surprised by how fascinating I found RST videos! She is upfront she's a talker. I do a lot of 10 second skippings. The ones I liked were about organization. I don't care to see a page put together.
My son who has Autism has been into watching weird preschool videos in foreign languages. I'm pretty sure he's responsible for baby shark going viral.
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Post by refugeepea on Jan 8, 2020 18:20:35 GMT
I will be honest - I don't see being on a DT as a big deal. I almost never go to them for my inspiration, so I don't care who is on them. I've done all the DT gigs - the pay (if any) sucks, the demands are high and for what? So you can pimp out your family? #nothanks #lessonlearned Yeah. I follow a lot of manufacturers on instagram. When there's a new photo of the design team, I keep scrolling. Or any photo of a person for that matter. I don't want to know about their personal lives. I'm there to see items with their products. I like it, save it, and move onto the next post.
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Post by scrapcat on Jan 8, 2020 18:33:15 GMT
I only recognize 2 people above and only 1 who's style I actually like. Not only do I not follow many of the celebs anymore, nor do I follow their brands, DTs or anything bcz it's all just more advertising and selling me something. I don't need any more!
I guess bcz of that I have seen more diversity in the ppl I do follow. I also live in a diverse area, and while crops/events are majority white, there are other groups represented. I am def over the whole 30-something, sahm, I'm so cute with my hair piled on top of my head thing. Nothing against those like that, I pile hair on top of my head too sometimes, but just tired of seeing it. I tend to follow people in metropolis cities, so I guess see more diversity that way.
It is curious why they wouldn't try to reach out of the box more? But that whole utah/mormon thing dominated scrapbooking for so long, prob just gonna take more time to diversify more.
For those that mentioned supplies, I remember Geralyn (in a creative bubble) made a digi set and gave a bonus of different races for a doodle of a girl. I think there are prob more people doing that digitally. But yea, it would be nice to see more diversity in different ways.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 18:56:17 GMT
For sure the issue isn't that design teams are important, and no one should do all the grunt work required unless they enjoy it. My issue is that there seems very little attention on DEI (diversity, equity and inclusion) in the design teams. Like the don't give a F#(*$ about it. Which means even if there are more diverse folks who WANT to be on design teams, are they sought out in any way other than "Oh, I have a (white, just like me) friend who would be great on this team...." Networks are very closed unless we WORK to open them up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 20:09:24 GMT
Capital Chic Designs has just launched a full line of products with Michaels. Lamika Alston is the designer. She’s doing her own thing—no Design Team needed.
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Post by Citygirl on Jan 8, 2020 20:45:31 GMT
Capital Chic Designs has just launched a full line of products with Michaels. Lamika Alston is the designer. She’s doing her own thing—no Design Team needed. It’s a really great line. Very inclusive. I also find the lack of diversity incredibly disappointing. I agree that companies should seek out designers, creators, etc to diversify their brand and broaden the customer base. It all seems very short sighted to me. I feel like the planner community does a better job with this.
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Post by myboysnme on Jan 8, 2020 21:33:56 GMT
Good for you for recognizing it when you see it and calling it out. Some of those design team members look like different photos of the same person. There is no diversity represented. I saw ONE person of color.
I don't care how they get diversity but it is the job of the companies to recruit diversity. I don't care if people of color and non European ethnicities don't apply, seek them out. I wouldn't apply either if I was going to be one in a sea of white if at all.
That is why all the collections look alike. That is why they come up with the same themes over and over. This season it is rainbows I guess.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jan 8, 2020 21:50:36 GMT
And scrappy supplies be so white. I rarely see a person/kid of color. And I don't think I have seen any Latinos/Latinas in collections. Crate Paper has been doing darker skin tones, some of which could be interpreted as Latino. I am always pleased to see them do these non-white characters!
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Post by scrapnnana on Jan 8, 2020 21:54:34 GMT
It’s obvious that there are a lot of talented and diverse crafters. However, I think there is a huge difference between wanting to be on a Design Team and having a successful YouTube channel with followers. The latter don’t need to be on a Design Team, and they probably aren’t interested.
Design Teams are a lot of work for some free stuff and some recognition. It’s a big commitment of time, and it may not necessarily come at a convenient time for you. You are expected to produce on a regular basis, particularly when there is a new release.
Not all YouTubers have the time to do both YouTube videos AND be part of a Design Team. At least with YouTube, they may have an opportunity to make money, and they are probably more likely to be able to make their videos/create their projects when it’s at least somewhat convenient for them. If it comes down to a choice, I think the YouTubers would be smarter to stick with YouTube, especially if they already have a following. They’d be crazy to want to be on a Design Team, too.
My favorite stamp company is Heartfelt Creations. Every year I think about applying to their Design Team, but only for a day or two, and then I come to my senses.
Out of curiosity, though, I looked at the current Heartfelt Creations Design Team Members to see how diverse (or not) they are.
At least 5 live in India, and one of those appears to be Muslim, based on her hijab. One lives in Pakistan. One is in Peru. One is in Scotland. They have Design Team Members from all over the world. Since their DT Members post only online, they can live anywhere. Some companies may want or need people to be local, which might limit applicants in places like Utah.
Edited to add: At the LSS where I used to work, their Design Team needed to be local, and it was fairly diverse. My favorite designer was black. However, it was also in Northern Virginia, an area where it is more diverse. Utah is mostly white. A lot of companies started in Utah, and employ people who live there, although I have no idea how their Design Teams are set up. Heartfelt Creations is in Indiana, but their Design Team members are not.
A company can reach out, but that doesn’t mean they will necessarily get eager applicants.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jan 8, 2020 21:58:43 GMT
@zingermack It's bland, bland, bland. A group of white women who currently have children living at home. I'm very disappointed to see this ever-shrinking industry fall back on such a conservative approach as it's bound to make the craft even more niche for all the wrong reasons.
I'd like to see more skin colours, more nationalities and cultures (seriously, the USA dominate by far), more LGBTQ, just more variety overall. I need different stories being told, different everyday lives, creativity stemming from a different place.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 22:10:07 GMT
Good for you for recognizing it when you see it and calling it out. Some of those design team members look like different photos of the same person. There is no diversity represented. I saw ONE person of color. I don't care how they get diversity but it is the job of the companies to recruit diversity. I don't care if people of color and non European ethnicities don't apply, seek them out. I wouldn't apply either if I was going to be one in a sea of white if at all. That is why all the collections look alike. That is why they come up with the same themes over and over. This season it is rainbows I guess. Yes. Exactly! These design teams have all the colors of the rainbow: White and paler white!
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Post by LisaDV on Jan 9, 2020 2:03:49 GMT
I guess I don't really care so much about the color of whose on the teams, I care more about the fact that you go to the DT's and what they produce all looks the same. That to me is more troubling. Maybe if they had a more diverse look, they'd also have a more diverse group of creators.
I really like this one digital designer although her style of memory keeping is more minimalist than my throw the kitchen sink in too style. We are both story driven. When she had her call for a new team it was very obvious she wanted someone with her personal aesthetics. She's building her brand and wants that to be showcased. I get it. It's just not my style. I think that happens a lot. ((not that I was going to apply, no interest. I was just sad that she was limiting the call so much when I'm sure she could have attracted lots of differing styles to appeal to a wider audience.))
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Post by myboysnme on Jan 9, 2020 2:18:30 GMT
I guess I don't really care so much about the color of whose on the teams, I care more about the fact that you go to the DT's and what they produce all looks the same. I agree completely about the product all looking the same. The thing is I believe we have to care about diversity because it does matter. I crop often and about 1/3 of the ladies I scrap with are women of color. That is a large representation of scrappers, especially when you consider the products are generally not there for their demographic. Have you seen a non white Santa in any collection? I mean that's just a stereotypical example but my point is for the hobby to survive diversity is essential. I have noticed an effort on the part of some companies to include random mermaids and princesses with dark skin, and this is all well and good, but the industry can do better. It's not like other crafts where everyone uses the same product, like cake decorating and knitting. This is memory keeping, and diversity is essential in product for a diverse population of scrappers. That said, many scrappers are experts at making product work and using non theme product because they have that ability and love of the hobby to find a way to make it work.
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Post by LisaDV on Jan 9, 2020 2:24:58 GMT
I guess I don't really care so much about the color of whose on the teams, I care more about the fact that you go to the DT's and what they produce all looks the same. I agree completely about the product all looking the same. The thing is I believe we have to care about diversity because it does matter. I crop often and about 1/3 of the ladies I scrap with are women of color. That is a large representation of scrappers, especially when you consider the products are generally not there for their demographic. Have you seen a non white Santa in any collection? I mean that's just a stereotypical example but my point is for the hobby to survive diversity is essential. I have noticed an effort on the part of some companies to include random mermaids and princesses with dark skin, and this is all well and good, but the industry can do better. It's not like other crafts where everyone uses the same product, like cake decorating and knitting. This is memory keeping, and diversity is essential in product for a diverse population of scrappers. That said, many scrappers are experts at making product work and using non theme product because they have that ability and love of the hobby to find a way to make it work. I can agree with you completely on needing diversity in the products.
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Post by amidwestkingdom on Jan 9, 2020 2:29:59 GMT
And scrappy supplies be so white. I rarely see a person/kid of color. And I don't think I have seen any Latinos/Latinas in collections. Crate Paper has been doing darker skin tones, some of which could be interpreted as Latino. I am always pleased to see them do these non-white characters! I concur. I spent two years complaining to Crate Paper about their lack of diversity and I am glad to see some browner shades because we're all spending the same green money, so more shades isn't going to hurt anyone at all. I have had to color in people and throw some away because I wouldn't use it for a layout for myself or my children because we don't look anything like the silhouettes or images. We have very curly hair and lots of melanin, but we love creating art and crafts! In regards to DT, I used to care when I was heavy into supporting all the brands and now I don't care because I stopped supporting many of the brands because it was the same 2-3 people of color in rotation and I never applied because I didn't want to be 1 of few, it's enough to be that person everyday in my field.
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Post by chances on Jan 9, 2020 2:50:21 GMT
I totally agree about the design teams. The repetition of whiteness is why I quit Felcity Jane. Only one of those stupid dolls wasnt white.
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Post by lostwithout2peas on Jan 9, 2020 2:50:35 GMT
Couple of thoughts on this subject as a Hispanic(Mexican) woman who has been a scrapbooker for 22 years. My 1st thought when I read the OP and looked at the pics is I could pass as any 1 of the these woman, as I am constantly mistaken for a "gringa", my favorite trick is suprising people by speaking Spanish. So I don't necessarily discount that maybe one of them could be an undercover minority like me. Now like allot of you have stated design teams require lots of time and this hobby in general requires disposable income which allot of Mexican families do not have. And scrapbooking in the Hispanic community in general, is not a big thing at all. Like cristelina said, I am also usually the token Hispanic or minority at crops or one of just maybe a few. I have seen a few Hispanic women on design teams before and I was very pleasantly surprised in a wow, they found another one, kind of a way! 😂 So it doesn't surprise me to not see any Hispanic women on the design teams shown in the OP, and if they are gonna go searching for them, they are probably gonna have search really hard!
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Post by gynergy on Jan 9, 2020 4:44:54 GMT
And scrappy supplies be so white. I rarely see a person/kid of color. And I don't think I have seen any Latinos/Latinas in collections. Crate Paper has been doing darker skin tones, some of which could be interpreted as Latino. I am always pleased to see them do these non-white characters! Yes! The kids in the snow! And someone (maybe crate?) had paper with mermaids who were a variety of skin tones. As mentioned previously, my nieces are biracial. Back in the day (10+ yrs ago) one of my friends would use her copics to darken the skin tone of the kids in papers & embellishments. I follow a variety of crafters on Instagram including women of color, lgbt folks & men. I’d love to see more diversity among paper crafters, design teams & products. (Please share favorite talented folks here).
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Post by gynergy on Jan 9, 2020 5:14:22 GMT
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