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Post by dasmith2 on Jan 9, 2020 10:10:05 GMT
The industry as a whole is too white. There’s no diversity in design teams, well, there’s no diversity in the products either. The industry is still catering to the white Mormon woman like they have been the last upteen years. With all the cultural diversity we have in the world today, it’s shameful that there aren’t better representations. If the industry would’ve embraced cultural differences, maybe it wouldn’t be dying.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jan 9, 2020 10:30:27 GMT
The industry as a whole is too white. There’s no diversity in design teams, well, there’s no diversity in the products either. The industry is still catering to the white Mormon woman like they have been the last upteen years. With all the cultural diversity we have in the world today, it’s shameful that there aren’t better representations. If the industry would’ve embraced cultural differences, maybe it wouldn’t be dying. I agree. If a designer feels the need to put faces/people on the product, the product should reflect a wide diversity of people's skin tones and body types. Diversity, as a whole, is lacking in the scrapbook industry. Things I would like the industry to include (in addition to more POC): Depictions of kids & adults in wheelchairs. Wedding lines with bride & bride, groom & groom. Families depicted that aren't just father, mother, a son & a daughter. How about single parents? Seems we have quite a number of those on our board, even. More LGBTQ+ friendly lines in general. How about a Pride line? How about religious lines that aren't just Christian and a few scattered sheets of Jewish?
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Post by hop2 on Jan 9, 2020 12:12:50 GMT
I can’t tell you what I’d like to see, because I might not think of it. I was the middle aged white woman with 1 boy & 1 girl who needs a smattering of non Christian stuff.
Diversity of people naturally helps to bring different experiences & different needs & views.
I definitely think that a diversity of people can infuse some life into the preprinted words & phrases. I mean how many times can you use ‘believe’ year after year after year. ( and I know it will never happen but there are days I could have used an F-you phrase or maybe at least F*@king cancer ) can there be a non pearl clutchers company with stamps & dies for the times when a curse word is ‘my authentic truth’ & just what’s needed? I can’t tell you how refreshing a case of the blahs was for blah days, but there’s angry days, grumpy days and so on. I mean if we are really going to be ‘authentic’
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Post by dasmith2 on Jan 9, 2020 12:28:25 GMT
I can’t tell you what I’d like to see, because I might not think of it. I was the middle aged white woman with 1 boy & 1 girl who needs a smattering of non Christian stuff. Diversity of people naturally helps to bring different experiences & different needs & views. I definitely think that a diversity of people can infuse some life into the preprinted words & phrases. I mean how many times can you use ‘believe’ year after year after year. ( and I know it will never happen but there are days I could have used an F-you phrase or maybe at least F*@king cancer ) can there be a non pearl clutchers company with stamps & dies for the times when a curse word is ‘my authentic truth’ & just what’s needed? I can’t tell you how refreshing a case of the blahs was for blah days, but there’s angry days, grumpy days and so on. I mean if we are really going to be ‘authentic’ If I knew how to do it, I’d make a free printable with those and like phrases!
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Post by kitbop on Jan 9, 2020 12:29:27 GMT
My 2 cents? Scrapbooking is an expensive hobby. It will "skew white". I don't think our lack of diversity indicates a problem specifically with our hobby: it's indicative more of the racism that results in lower incomes for minorities. I agree we need more diversity in faces on our products to not be part of the problem. OTOH, maybe they want nothing to do with our silly hobby? I know the Christian/Mormon origins of our hobby certainly weren't inclusive !
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Post by dasmith2 on Jan 9, 2020 12:39:54 GMT
I can’t tell you what I’d like to see, because I might not think of it. I was the middle aged white woman with 1 boy & 1 girl who needs a smattering of non Christian stuff. Diversity of people naturally helps to bring different experiences & different needs & views. I definitely think that a diversity of people can infuse some life into the preprinted words & phrases. I mean how many times can you use ‘believe’ year after year after year. ( and I know it will never happen but there are days I could have used an F-you phrase or maybe at least F*@king cancer ) can there be a non pearl clutchers company with stamps & dies for the times when a curse word is ‘my authentic truth’ & just what’s needed? I can’t tell you how refreshing a case of the blahs was for blah days, but there’s angry days, grumpy days and so on. I mean if we are really going to be ‘authentic’ Wouldn’t it be so therapeutic to scrap our feelings about shitty situations and people and have some product that represents that. There’s a market for art journaling, but it would be great to see a market for journaling content. I’d like a F&&$@ You and the horse you rode in on stamp- or any FU phrases would do lol. The more I read here on this board, and read different ideas etc.. , I realize how little diversity the scrapbook market has. I think we, as a whole need to demand diversity and if we create and share diverse projects, call out companies that don’t, share the heck out of the ones that do etc Problem is, American Crafts is the majority of the market- we need to get to them.
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Post by alone_inacrowdedroom on Jan 9, 2020 12:42:51 GMT
I can’t tell you what I’d like to see, because I might not think of it. I was the middle aged white woman with 1 boy & 1 girl who needs a smattering of non Christian stuff. Diversity of people naturally helps to bring different experiences & different needs & views. I definitely think that a diversity of people can infuse some life into the preprinted words & phrases. I mean how many times can you use ‘believe’ year after year after year. ( and I know it will never happen but there are days I could have used an F-you phrase or maybe at least F*@king cancer ) can there be a non pearl clutchers company with stamps & dies for the times when a curse word is ‘my authentic truth’ & just what’s needed? I can’t tell you how refreshing a case of the blahs was for blah days, but there’s angry days, grumpy days and so on. I mean if we are really going to be ‘authentic’ Have you checked out Ink Road Stamps? Their ‘Cheeky’ line of stamps and dies is awesome. Cathy Zielske has also had some sets with expletives.
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Post by hop2 on Jan 9, 2020 12:47:02 GMT
I can’t tell you what I’d like to see, because I might not think of it. I was the middle aged white woman with 1 boy & 1 girl who needs a smattering of non Christian stuff. Diversity of people naturally helps to bring different experiences & different needs & views. I definitely think that a diversity of people can infuse some life into the preprinted words & phrases. I mean how many times can you use ‘believe’ year after year after year. ( and I know it will never happen but there are days I could have used an F-you phrase or maybe at least F*@king cancer ) can there be a non pearl clutchers company with stamps & dies for the times when a curse word is ‘my authentic truth’ & just what’s needed? I can’t tell you how refreshing a case of the blahs was for blah days, but there’s angry days, grumpy days and so on. I mean if we are really going to be ‘authentic’ Wouldn’t it be so therapeutic to scrap our feelings about shitty situations and people and have some product that represents that. There’s a market for art journaling, but it would be great to see a market for journaling content. I’d like a F&&$@ You and the horse you rode in on stamp- or any FU phrases would do lol. The more I read here on this board, and read different ideas etc.. , I realize how little diversity the scrapbook market has. I think we, as a whole need to demand diversity and if we create and share diverse projects, call out companies that don’t, share the heck out of the ones that do etc Problem is, American Crafts is the majority of the market- we need to get to them. American crafts is never going to produce a swear word product. And I get that. But let’s at least take a step away from sunshine & rainbows a little more often. Where did I see the phrase ‘this is hard’ lately? It wasn’t my style product but I could use the phrase more often than I want to. ( it might have been exercise related which is why it wasn’t for me I just need the phrase separately in fact I could have used it on a couple of cards this past year for a few people for whom life was hard You know a “This is hard but I’m right here with you” in stamps &/or dies would be great
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Post by scrapnnana on Jan 9, 2020 13:17:33 GMT
...you go to the DT's and what they produce all looks the same. That to me is more troubling. Maybe if they had a more diverse look, they'd also have a more diverse group of creators. I think this is a big part of the problem. In the magazines, every layout looked similar and had the same basic style. A more diverse group of creators might have kept the magazines from going under. Apparently, not much has changed in the industry in the years since. Has anyone here contacted the companies about their Design Teams to complain? If enough people contact them about this, maybe they will make more of an effort.
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Post by cumber1137 on Jan 9, 2020 15:22:43 GMT
I can’t tell you what I’d like to see, because I might not think of it. I was the middle aged white woman with 1 boy & 1 girl who needs a smattering of non Christian stuff. Diversity of people naturally helps to bring different experiences & different needs & views. I definitely think that a diversity of people can infuse some life into the preprinted words & phrases. I mean how many times can you use ‘believe’ year after year after year. ( and I know it will never happen but there are days I could have used an F-you phrase or maybe at least F*@king cancer ) can there be a non pearl clutchers company with stamps & dies for the times when a curse word is ‘my authentic truth’ & just what’s needed? I can’t tell you how refreshing a case of the blahs was for blah days, but there’s angry days, grumpy days and so on. I mean if we are really going to be ‘authentic’ Ink Road Stamps does this! ink-road-stamps.myshopify.com/collections/extra-cheeky
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 15:24:11 GMT
You could reverse this statement - the reason why everything produced looks the same is due to a lack of diversity. The product doesn't create the people but the people create the end result.
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Post by hop2 on Jan 9, 2020 15:57:33 GMT
I can’t tell you what I’d like to see, because I might not think of it. I was the middle aged white woman with 1 boy & 1 girl who needs a smattering of non Christian stuff. Diversity of people naturally helps to bring different experiences & different needs & views. I definitely think that a diversity of people can infuse some life into the preprinted words & phrases. I mean how many times can you use ‘believe’ year after year after year. ( and I know it will never happen but there are days I could have used an F-you phrase or maybe at least F*@king cancer ) can there be a non pearl clutchers company with stamps & dies for the times when a curse word is ‘my authentic truth’ & just what’s needed? I can’t tell you how refreshing a case of the blahs was for blah days, but there’s angry days, grumpy days and so on. I mean if we are really going to be ‘authentic’ Ink Road Stamps does this! ink-road-stamps.myshopify.com/collections/extra-cheekyThey do, but unfortunately they slip the awesome phrases in a sheet of useless to me phrases. Much of their snark line is centered around certain shows or movies who’s quotes are not a part of my life. I’d have bought the terminally ill one but I didn’t see it until it was sold out. I’m not going to spend $14.99 on a sheet of stamps just to get 1 or 2 because I don’t need Big Bang stamps or Christmas vacation stamps or whatever other show that isn’t important to me. It’s not budget or space friendly to buy things I know I mostly won’t use.
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Post by refugeepea on Jan 9, 2020 16:08:54 GMT
I want to give a shout out to the CSI: Color, Stories, Inspiration Blog.
"CSI is a bimonthly challenge designed to inspire scrapbookers to tell their stories and to create beautiful, meaningful pages based on a color scheme and an inspiration image." It isn't a design team, which I think is even better. You see a variety of products and styles. This is the CSI Detectives, members, or design team if you prefer. csichallenge.blogspot.com/p/csi-detectives-dt.htmlPrevious participants are listed at the bottom of the page. I briefly scanned their bios and they are from Russia, UK, Sweden, Maryland, Canada, Colorado, South Africa, France, New Zealand, Japan, Texas, Finland, and Australia. Yes, mostly white but a variety of cultures and definitely more diversity of races. Also single, childless, married, older kids... I don't know what happened with Jennifer Cain. Her instagram is not working. I LOVE her 8.5x11 pages.
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Post by refugeepea on Jan 9, 2020 16:11:29 GMT
They do, but unfortunately they slip the awesome phrases in a sheet of useless to me phrases. Much of their snark line is centered around certain shows or movies who’s quotes are not a part of my life. I’d have bought the terminally ill one but I didn’t see it until it was sold out. I’m not going to spend $14.99 on a sheet of stamps just to get 1 or 2 because I don’t need Big Bang stamps or Christmas vacation stamps or whatever other show that isn’t important to me. It’s not budget or space friendly to buy things I know I mostly won’t use. It's too bad they don't have a digital stamps option. I've decided to go that route for certain products although I do prefer an actual stamp.
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Post by cristelina on Jan 9, 2020 16:20:44 GMT
¡Viva México @charliegirl ! Hay más mexicanas o latinas en 2peas?
Have you seen creaciones izzy on Youtube? I love all the books she makes. Since albums are so cost prohibitive with shipping to México or Spain many Spanish speaking scrappers make their own albums. Really cool if you are into that.
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Post by cristelina on Jan 9, 2020 16:27:43 GMT
Does anyone know why I can't edit a Pea name? I didn't capitalize @charliegirl in my other post. I tried 3 times to edit it and the name stayed uncapitalized. Thanks.
Argh! I did it again. @charliegirl not @charliegirl
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Post by scrapcat on Jan 9, 2020 16:54:21 GMT
I just thought of what I was trying to think of yesterday, the Modest Cat. She is a planner girl, but designs stickers. Most of her face/people stickers are customizable to skin tone and hair color. the Modest Cat
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Post by pancakes on Jan 9, 2020 16:59:25 GMT
Although I don’t love not seeing POC represented, as a POC, I don’t know that scrapping on the side for free product and no pay is feasible for a lot of women, no matter their race.
It really seems to be the SAHM crowd that can devote more time to regularly producing the required content for these DTs. And this in this industry, the SAHM crowd does skew heavily white.
I’ve only done one DT, and it is tough to manage those deadlines when other more important things take precedent over an unpaid role that is expecting you to be better than the average scrapper.
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Post by hop2 on Jan 9, 2020 17:15:02 GMT
They do, but unfortunately they slip the awesome phrases in a sheet of useless to me phrases. Much of their snark line is centered around certain shows or movies who’s quotes are not a part of my life. I’d have bought the terminally ill one but I didn’t see it until it was sold out. I’m not going to spend $14.99 on a sheet of stamps just to get 1 or 2 because I don’t need Big Bang stamps or Christmas vacation stamps or whatever other show that isn’t important to me. It’s not budget or space friendly to buy things I know I mostly won’t use. It's too bad they don't have a digital stamps option. I've decided to go that route for certain products although I do prefer an actual stamp. Well I did mark a few for them to email me if they restock
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 18:42:39 GMT
Hey, wanted to do a shout out to all the thoughtful responses to this topic.
I want to thank the peas for their insights whether peas of color or not.
I really thought this would be a thread that was just allowing me to vent a bit, but I've been so gratified that the peas are adding their perspectives and experiences in this area.
As the saying goes, to make change, step one is to make people aware of the issue. And I plan to do just that. I am reaching out to the companies involved to at least make them aware that some of their customers are aware that they have a long way to go to include other perspectives and experiences in their DTs.
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Post by chances on Jan 10, 2020 0:32:20 GMT
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Post by hop2 on Jan 10, 2020 13:52:58 GMT
Instagrams of different crafters she follows I’m am assuming
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 10, 2020 16:15:40 GMT
Does anyone know why I can't edit a Pea name? I didn't capitalize @charliegirl in my other post. I tried 3 times to edit it and the name stayed uncapitalized. Thanks. Argh! I did it again. @charliegirl not @charliegirl not sure about the capitalization issue, but "charliegirl" isn't actually her user login... if you hover your cursor over her name, you'll see what her user login is- it's @ lostwithout2peas (but without the space in between). The name that's *displayed* is charliegirl. When she had her call for a new team it was very obvious she wanted someone with her personal aesthetics. She's building her brand and wants that to be showcased. I get it. It's just not my style. I think that happens a lot. In my opinion, this is my major problem with MOST design team work. The 'style' is VERY obvious and it's all the same. For example, I would say Bella Blvd style- on the whole- is bright, colorful, kid-friendly SB products. I, however, am a 50-yr old, married dog/cat mom who scrapbooks mainly travel, restaurants, our house, pets, etc. I typically don't ever scrap with ALL bright, kid-like colors and patterns. But the ONLY examples of how I see it used (examples from the DT) do not fit with *my* scrapbooking aesthetic, at ALL. So, I would never buy Bella Blvd stuff. DT layouts are like the product advertisement layouts they used to publish in magazines. They throw as much product onto a layout as they can, with minimal variation in the style of scrapping from person to person. (I mean, really: back in the day, 2Peas Garden Girls and other design team members would sometimes TELL us that their DT layouts weren't their *real* scrapbook pages... they were just throwaway examples. So even THEY didn't use the products in the same way.) I think DTs in general all (for the major AC-type companies, anyway) need to do a better job at showing how versatile their products can be, to get a bigger buying audience. But DT projects typically ONLY use that brand's products, so there isn't any versatility shown(IMHO). This is one reason that now I'd rather see layouts by YouTubers; they mix different products into their *own* style, which gives me way more ideas, and sometimes causes me to want to buy a product I wouldn't have gotten otherwise.
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Post by Leone on Jan 10, 2020 21:43:35 GMT
In the glory days of the industry, I was lucky enough to attend a lot of conventions, CKU, big Heidi Swapp retreats, etc. The attendees were seldom women of color. I remember CKU in Orlando which had 750 attend and there was a fairly large group from Japan. Also large group from South Africa...all caucasians...who came into the auditorium with Lion Sleeps Tonight playing. Other conventions...stamping and collecting miniatures...seldom had much diversity. Same with sewing conventions. All are fairly expensive hobbies.
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Post by FurryP on Jan 11, 2020 0:26:46 GMT
Does anyone know why I can't edit a Pea name? I didn't capitalize @charliegirl in my other post. I tried 3 times to edit it and the name stayed uncapitalized. Thanks. Argh! I did it again. @charliegirl not @charliegirl If you are trying to tag her, the reason it is not working is because you have to use her original name to do so. If you hover over her user name, you will see her original name is different lostwithout2peas. <<<<<< see.
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Post by LisaDV on Jan 11, 2020 12:42:22 GMT
I think DTs in general all (for the major AC-type companies, anyway) need to do a better job at showing how versatile their products can be, to get a bigger buying audience. But DT projects typically ONLY use that brand's products, so there isn't any versatility shown(IMHO). This is one reason that now I'd rather see layouts by YouTubers; they mix different products into their *own* style, which gives me way more ideas, and sometimes causes me to want to buy a product I wouldn't have gotten otherwise. Until DT's/Brands show more versatility, I'm not interested in them for inspiration at all either. I do follow many of our peas on IG and like the 2ps gallery on flickr too. Lots of talent differences just among our small group.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 15:58:34 GMT
I think DTs in general all (for the major AC-type companies, anyway) need to do a better job at showing how versatile their products can be, to get a bigger buying audience. But DT projects typically ONLY use that brand's products, so there isn't any versatility shown(IMHO). This is one reason that now I'd rather see layouts by YouTubers; they mix different products into their *own* style, which gives me way more ideas, and sometimes causes me to want to buy a product I wouldn't have gotten otherwise. Until DT's/Brands show more versatility, I'm not interested in them for inspiration at all either. I do follow many of our peas on IG and like the 2ps gallery on flickr too. Lots of talent differences just among our small group. Amen. I follow some great diverse folks on YT and IG. I esp. love following folks w/o kids as I know that my kids are growing and I don't scrap them the same anymore. And sometime soon, it will be even less. I get so tired of seeing the majority of pages about young kids at the expense of adult topics like work (I know, I've carped about this before), adult outings w/friends, and other non-kid related moments, etc. It's so ridiculous to me though, that the manufacturers of paper and products still want to slot their stuff into the hands and lives of while 30-40ish moms instead of making sure that EVERYONE sees how their products could be used on ALL KINDS of lives and moments.
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Post by hop2 on Jan 11, 2020 17:24:37 GMT
Until DT's/Brands show more versatility, I'm not interested in them for inspiration at all either. I do follow many of our peas on IG and like the 2ps gallery on flickr too. Lots of talent differences just among our small group. Amen. I follow some great diverse folks on YT and IG. I esp. love following folks w/o kids as I know that my kids are growing and I don't scrap them the same anymore. And sometime soon, it will be even less. I get so tired of seeing the majority of pages about young kids at the expense of adult topics like work (I know, I've carped about this before), adult outings w/friends, and other non-kid related moments, etc. It's so ridiculous to me though, that the manufacturers of paper and products still want to slot their stuff into the hands and lives of while 30-40ish moms instead of making sure that EVERYONE sees how their products could be used on ALL KINDS of lives and moments.Yeah, I agree Same with stickers, ephemera etc so much of it is family oriented and hard to use for me now that it’s pretty much just me. I’m comfortable with my life how it is ( surprisingly ) but my craft needs have changed and don’t reflect what it did last time I scrapped ( perhaps this is why the memory planner makes sense to me ) but I find myself making more of my own things from stamps & dies now that I’ve complained about ‘family’ oriented stuff I’m still buying quite a bit of Steven Duncan’s family game night besides the game specific pages the vibe is great and versatile and it’s on point with the resurgence of mid century modern that’s current.
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Post by pastlifepea on Jan 15, 2020 14:01:15 GMT
I saw super excited several years ago when Crafty Secrets still existed and they had a sticker sheet called "Beautiful Brown Baby". I bought a couple of those sticker sheets in anticipation of grandbabies as oldest daughter was getting married. So far I have 5...3 granddogs and 2 grandcats. No Beautiful Brown Baby stickers have been used but that's okay...I do like the grandpets and the actual grandbabies may show up one day.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jan 15, 2020 15:11:02 GMT
now that I’ve complained about ‘family’ oriented stuff I’m still buying quite a bit of Steven Duncan’s family game night besides the game specific pages the vibe is great and versatile and it’s on point with the resurgence of mid century modern that’s current. That line is bonkers good and so versatile. You can document TV series, music, games played with friends or family, etc. I was really surprised at how much use I could get out of it although we're childfree when I started looking at the individual chipboard pieces and papers.
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