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Post by mom on Jan 8, 2020 22:36:37 GMT
Certain trusted royal reporters have regular contacts within the household - they don't need direct lines. This was made public much earlier this evening in the UK with several using the same terminology. Oh, I understand that. I'm just not sure we can infer from the information we have that The Queen, William and Charles were not aware. The Sussex Royal website was quite comprehensive and well laid out--it's definitely been in the works for a good length of time. But Buckingham Palace released a statement that this 'was in early stages'. That message does not line up with what Harry & Meghan are putting out. This may have been in the works for awhile....for Harry & Meghan. No one else was in on the plans.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Jan 8, 2020 22:44:24 GMT
She has never been someone I have liked and feel she has been less than a positive influence on him. That's a laugh! If anything, she helped settle him down. Have you forgotten the Nazi uniform incident at the fancy dress party? What about the Las Vegas incident where Harry was photographed naked while playing "strip billiards" game? People tend to forget that Harry has been pushing the boundaries of royal life for a long time, well before Meghan came onto the scene.
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Post by gar on Jan 8, 2020 22:45:21 GMT
I don't think that's actually their official website.
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Post by julie5 on Jan 8, 2020 22:46:27 GMT
I wonder what they mean by financially independent. Will they get jobs? Will Meghan go back to acting? They are creating a charity and will probably be paid members of the charity supporting themselves, and not accepting money from the monarchy in a way of saying, you are not supporting us, so we don't have to follow your rules. Exactly. I support them. I read people saying they need to give back the money that was used to renovate Frogmore but here’s the thing, that’s not their house. The queen owns it. The queen decides how much is spent and where it is spent. And when she does, the items owned by the crown stay with the crown. Who would want to live that way? Only ever getting to borrow anything? I follow several royal acts on IG and see Catherine wearing jewelry that is on loan. It’s beautiful stuff and it historic value but where is the sentimentality in it? My jewelry all holds special meaning to me because of the givers. My home is mine, decorated to my taste and no one can tell me when I must receive guests. In essence I see it as them “quitting” the royal life of servitude. And because this is the way it’s always been in the royal family, they look like the black sheep. For simply wanting to control their finances and life and careers. There’s nothing wrong with that and the pine “working to become financially independent”, if I said that about my marriage ending, you would tell me I was being financially abused if I wasn’t allowed any other options. I look for this to get very ugly but I commend them for standing up for themselves. I love harry and Meghan more than I should. I’ve printed Archie pix to scrapbook because I was so enmeshed in her pregnancy and delivery. Such a sweet love story.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Jan 8, 2020 22:47:19 GMT
I'm not sure that's actually their official website. It's the website that is linked on their Instagram account. It's super duper slow loading today, but I got in earlier. It's legit.
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Post by wordfish on Jan 8, 2020 22:48:55 GMT
I don't think that's actually their official website. It's 100% their website. It's linked on their instagram and when you get in, it's clearly their site.
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Post by gar on Jan 8, 2020 22:51:38 GMT
I'm not sure that's actually their official website. It's the website that is linked on their Instagram account. It's super duper slow loading today, but I got in earlier. It's legit. It's legit as in it's about them but it's not theirs, as in not their own or official Royal content as far as I can see.
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Post by wordfish on Jan 8, 2020 22:54:21 GMT
They are creating a charity and will probably be paid members of the charity supporting themselves, and not accepting money from the monarchy in a way of saying, you are not supporting us, so we don't have to follow your rules. Exactly. I support them. I read people saying they need to give back the money that was used to renovate Frogmore but here’s the thing, that’s not their house. The queen owns it. The queen decides how much is spent and where it is spent. And when she does, the items owned by the crown stay with the crown. Who would want to live that way? Only ever getting to borrow anything? I think Frogmore Cottage is part of the Crown Estate. The Queen controls it but I don't think she actually owns it like she owns one of the other castles (I forget which one). So they talk about not owning it on their website, and that renovations were already underway as restoration as a grade 2 (I think that's what it's called, level 2 maybe) historic structure. Then it says on their site specifically that they paid for a lot of the personal renovations specific to their needs themselves. I wouldn't want to do that for a house I didn't own--unless it was a situation like this one, where it's that unique Crown Estate thing.
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Post by wordfish on Jan 8, 2020 22:54:55 GMT
It's the website that is linked on their Instagram account. It's super duper slow loading today, but I got in earlier. It's legit. It's legit as in it's about them but it's not theirs, as in not their own or official Royal content as far as I can see.
You are incorrect. They refer to it in their statement on Instagram. It's 100% their site. This is from their instagram announcement, which is how I found all the other information: "For more information, please visit sussexroyal.com (link in bio)"
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Post by Belia on Jan 8, 2020 23:00:18 GMT
I guess I'm not understanding EXACTLY what's going to change here. Like, on a day-to-day basis. I read the Q&A from the link to People Magazine above, and all I could figure out was that it seems like 1. They are giving up 5% of their income that comes from the public (the Sovereign Grant) and 2. They are no longer participating in the Rota thing with the media.
What else has changed? It looks like they're still getting their 95% from Charles, they're still living in Frogmore (no mention of whether they will start paying the Queen rent), they're still doing their charity and patronage work... What is different, exactly, other than a 5% paycut?
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Post by chaosisapony on Jan 8, 2020 23:02:22 GMT
Good for them! I hope they can live a more peaceful life.
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Post by wordfish on Jan 8, 2020 23:07:26 GMT
I guess I'm not understanding EXACTLY what's going to change here. Like, on a day-to-day basis. I read the Q&A from the link to People Magazine above, and all I could figure out was that it seems like 1. They are giving up 5% of their income that comes from the public (the Sovereign Grant) and 2. They are no longer participating in the Rota thing with the media. What else has changed? It looks like they're still getting their 95% from Charles, they're still living in Frogmore (no mention of whether they will start paying the Queen rent), they're still doing their charity and patronage work... What is different, exactly, other than a 5% paycut? I don't think it's 5% of their income. I think the Sovereign Grant, rather, covers 5% of their costs and is specifically earmarked for their office expense (according to their website), but the more important thing is that by releasing that financial tie, they are free to work and earn their own money. According to their website, they are not permitted to work while they are "Senior Royals," which is why they are doing this. So they have done what Piers Morgan sneeringly told them to do when he criticized them for not telling the public who Archie's godparents are: Step down from being Senior Royals and stop taking money from taxpayers. Of course, he now blames Meghan for tearing apart the family, because he is a nasty, bitter piece of work.
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Post by gillyp on Jan 8, 2020 23:08:57 GMT
Princess Anne's children have managed to live 'apart' from the family whilst still attending various functions, as have Princess Margaret's, the Wessexes and others. It's just something to be worked out and for the public to get used to.
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Post by used2scrap on Jan 8, 2020 23:10:29 GMT
I can’t imagine the press will ever leave them alone.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Jan 8, 2020 23:28:20 GMT
I think Harry wanted this long before Meghan and I’m surprised everyone thinks this is because of her. He has always seemed very hurt about the treatment of his mother and has bucked at being a royal for a long time.
I think if they move to Canada, nobody will bother them. Good for them!
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Post by Judy26 on Jan 8, 2020 23:41:40 GMT
Good for them! Now Meghan can play herself in future seasons of The Crown. Can you imagine the ratings!?!
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Post by bc2ca on Jan 8, 2020 23:58:47 GMT
I wonder what they mean by financially independent. I read that as they will no longer have any Royal income. Not that they are financially dependent on it, but that they will cut that income stream, so be independent from it. Neither need to work another day in their lives, but plan to take on charitable endeavors and use whatever celebrity they have for good. I'd be shocked if Meghan went back to acting. I’ve seen a number of articles talk about how Charles plans to reduce the size of the “working Royal” family when he takes the throne. I've read this before too, and am sure Prince Andrew is feeling a little irritated today. Hasn't he been trying to get his daughters a tighter tie to the Monarchy and Royal income? It will be hard to argue they are entitled to anything with Prince Harry walking away. And I think it’s a healthy contribution to the evolution of the Monarchy. I think this is a great move.
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Post by roundtwo on Jan 9, 2020 0:09:10 GMT
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Post by birdgate on Jan 9, 2020 0:11:56 GMT
When I saw that last picture of Harry and Archie wearing that Cocobear hat posing in the rugged outdoors in Canada I thought they are totally in their element.
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Post by mich5481 on Jan 9, 2020 0:26:49 GMT
On Twitter I am seeing that its being reported that they didn't talk with The Queen or Charles before this announcement.Is that normal? I would have expected this would have been all worked out head of time, before releasing a statement? And now there is a statement from The Queen, saying (put simply) these things are complicated and will take time to work out. Its all so...strange to me that this is how it is playing out. They probably were getting pushback, and so they decided to release it publicly to force the Firm to give into their demands. Rather childish and churlish, in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 0:41:42 GMT
I still have lingered thought that Harry may not really be Charles's biological son.
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Post by wordfish on Jan 9, 2020 0:59:47 GMT
I still have lingered thought that Harry may not really be Charles's biological son. I think Harry looks more like Charles than William does, and especially like Prince Phillip. I guess Harry is going to have to live with this rumor his entire life, though. It's not like Harry and Meghan won't still be active members of the Royal Family. For one thing, if something were to happen where George became king prior to turning 18, Harry would be Regent until George became an adult; it would be his duty and I think is part of a law or something? He still has an important role to play for sure and it will grow when his father is king.
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Post by Jennifer C on Jan 9, 2020 1:03:17 GMT
I have to say that I was shocked when I first heard this because Harry is the second child of a future King.
Then I thought of Prince Andrew, who is the second son of the reigning Queen. Prince Andrew and his girls are being treated as second class Royals, even before the scandal. They couldn't seem to put a step into the official Royal Family. I think that Prince Harry thought a little of this and they are getting out on their own terms.
And really, I think that they have thought about this for a while and that the insider's and the Queen knew because PH and Meghan didn't even accept a title for little Master Archie. I think that they are following in the footsteps of Princess Anne with her kids so that they don't become Prince Andrew and his kids.
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Post by mrgiedrnkr on Jan 9, 2020 1:11:42 GMT
Call me cynical but I feel like doing this gives them the celebrity of being royal but the freedom to use that for profit. They will still be hounded by the media no matter what as they are still the same people. Stacy
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 1:27:06 GMT
She has never been someone I have liked and feel she has been less than a positive influence on him. That's a laugh! If anything, she helped settle him down. Have you forgotten the Nazi uniform incident at the fancy dress party? What about the Las Vegas incident where Harry was photographed naked while playing "strip billiards" game? People tend to forget that Harry has been pushing the boundaries of royal life for a long time, well before Meghan came onto the scene. Don’t feed the ......
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Post by pjaye on Jan 9, 2020 1:39:05 GMT
I'm not at all surprised by this, while I don't actually believe all the rumors, but I do think that most of the time there is a small grain of fact as a basis for many of them. The brothers relationship struggling under the many changes in their lives, the persistent rumors of them going to live in another country and/or stepping back from royal life it seems were based in truth after all.
It will be interesting to see how it plays out, I'm sceptical that they are going to be able to have the sort of life they want to live. I absolutely think they *should* be able to live however they want, I just think that being who he is that is never actually going to be possible for him/them. In fact all of this has probably just increased media scrutiny of them again. They seem to have this constant theme of "leave us alone we don't want to be in the media/public eye" and then as a result of everything they do around that, it just increases the media and public attention on them.
I'd have more respect for the idea if they were planning to cut all ties and stay out of the public eye. But they aren't. They are going to head up a charity so it will be a case of them wanting the public and media attention when it suits them for their various causes and then they think they will be left alone the rest of the time? Not hoping to happen, ask any of the famous actors or singers if their personal lives are off limits? I find it hard to imagine that their lives are going to end up much different than they are now - except for the fact that they won't have a royal income and will be more free to say whatever they want.
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Post by peasapie on Jan 9, 2020 1:41:10 GMT
Good for them! I hope they can live a more peaceful life. That's what I'm thinking. Sounds like they are making their own path in life and I admire that.
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Post by Olan on Jan 9, 2020 1:41:14 GMT
I'm not at all surprised by this, while I don't actually believe all the rumors, but I do think that most of the time there is a small grain of fact as a basis for many of them. The brothers relationship struggling under the many changes in their lives, the persistent rumors of them going to live in another country and/or stepping back from royal life it seems were based in truth after all. It will be interesting to see how it plays out, I'm sceptical that they are going to be able to have the sort of life they want to live. I absolutely think they *should* be able to live however they want, I just think that being who he is that is never actually going to be possible for him/them. In fact all of this has probably just increased media scrutiny of them again. They seem to have this constant theme of "leave us alone we don't want to be in the media/public eye" and then as a result of everything they do around that, it just increases the media and public attention on them. I'd have more respect for the idea if they were planning to cut all ties and stay out of the public eye. But they aren't. They are going to head up a charity so it will be a case of them wanting the public and media attention when it suits them for their various causes and then they think they will be left alone the rest of the time? Not hoping to happen, ask any of the famous actors or singers if their personal lives are off limits? I find it hard to imagine that their lives are going to end up much different than they are now - except for the fact that they won't have a royal income and will be more free to say whatever they want. Yeah it does suck that they are going to attempt to use their notoriety to help people as opposed to disappearing from the public eye. Crazy
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Post by pjaye on Jan 9, 2020 1:53:01 GMT
Yeah it does suck that they are going to attempt to use their notoriety to help people as opposed to disappearing from the public eye. Crazy We all know who the crazy one here is If it was all about "helping people" they'd stay in the fold of the royal family, especially as the first big chunk of money from any charity will be to pay themselves - or did you miss the "become financially independent" part? This is all about them, their life, and what they want, they aren't doing this in order to "help people" as a prime motivator.
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Post by pjaye on Jan 9, 2020 2:01:46 GMT
I've just been reading a few articles, one by former palace press secretary Dickie Arbiter and he brings up some good points about the logistics of this:
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