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Post by elaine on Mar 8, 2020 4:50:58 GMT
Since peppermintpatty apparently isn’t going to come back to the thread she started, can we just start anew without all the brushing off the elderly and other high-risk people, and discuss the latest news re: the Coronavirus? I have to admit that I’m starting to have crazy paranoid thoughts about the government on this one. I think that the lack of test kits and testing is to purposefully mislead the public - both in the USA and globally - about the spread of the virus here. Trump appears more worried about the stock market than the lives being lost and I think the silencing of the actual statistics is a misguided attempt at shoring up the market. One irony being that it has now come out that there were at least 3 infected individuals at AIPAC and 1 at CPAC, both conventions which were attended by Mike Pence here in DC. The first case in NoVA was reported today - the person is a Marine stationed at and now hospitalized at Fort Belvoir (where I took my son to the PX and Commissary on Sunday).
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Post by ~summer~ on Mar 8, 2020 4:57:46 GMT
Well that is an interesting theory.
I have to say, here in San Francisco where there is a strong Chinese population, the people I know say the Chinese government has under-reported the number of cases by at least ten times.
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Post by elaine on Mar 8, 2020 5:15:27 GMT
Well that is an interesting theory. I have to say, here in San Francisco where there is a strong Chinese population, the people I know say the Chinese government has under-reported the number of cases by at least ten times. I can’t say that I think we are doing a better job of testing and reporting actual numbers than the Chinese are. I’d love to be wrong, mind you. But given that NoVA has one of the largest Korean populations in the US, with many traveling back and forth between here and South Korea somewhat regularly, it is a bit absurd that the first case in our area was just reported this evening. Heck, the fliers sent home from my kids’ schools are written in English on one side and Korean on the other (quite different from the Spanish I grew up with). And the news just reported that only 31 people have been tested in Northern VA so far. 31!
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Post by Nanner on Mar 8, 2020 5:33:02 GMT
We had to go down to Spokane for a day and came back through the Kingsgate/Eastport border crossing yesterday. Coming back into Canada, DH noticed a box just inside the window with a sign above it that read "COVID test kits" or something very close to that.
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Post by bc2ca on Mar 8, 2020 5:41:53 GMT
I think that the lack of test kits and testing is to purposefully mislead the public - both in the USA and globally - about the spread of the virus here. There is no question in my mind that a policy to not test was made to keep the numbers down.
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Post by tracyarts on Mar 8, 2020 6:22:34 GMT
I agree. You can't confirm what you don't test. I think that the lack of test kits and testing is to purposefully mislead the public - both in the USA and globally - about the spread of the virus here. There is no question in my mind that a policy to not test was made to keep the numbers down.
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Post by lucyg on Mar 8, 2020 6:27:08 GMT
Yep. I’m with everyone else. He’s made it clear he doesn’t want the numbers going up, and if he has to risk more lives to do it, he will.
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on Mar 8, 2020 6:59:40 GMT
The lack of available tests is frustrating, as is the lack of correct information. The UW lab is processing the tests right now and have completed 400 to date. They’ve said there’s a 5-7% positive rate, so that’s 20-28, but we have over 100 cases (far more, IMO) so they must’ve sent some tests elsewhere for processing. The UW also says they can process 1000/day so the problem is definitely lack of tests.
The Lifecare center that has been the center of this hasn’t even tested all of their patients or staff. They’re getting personnel from US Dept of Health (I think) and they received 45 more tests, but that’s not going to cover everyone. 60 patients remain, with 6 of those showing symptoms. They also have 70 (of 120) employees showing symptoms.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Mar 8, 2020 7:23:34 GMT
They've stopped testing "regularly" in France now. Over here, the virus is spreading to the point where only serious cases will get tested. I'm assuming this is what's been happening in the other epicentres. The numbers we're seeing in the news simply cannot reflect the reality.
With Italy attempting a mass quarantine of their own starting tomorrow, it's getting quite worrying. I'm actually pretty pissed at the people who laughed this off and have been telling me to "calm down." Mostly elder men, ironically. Both IRL and on the global political stage.
One thing I've noticed on this side of the pond: a lot of people are worried about the American government's reactions and lack of action so far. General consensus is that while the virus is spreading like wildfire over here already, at least we can count on some transparency from the European democracies. I feel bad for you, American Peas.
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Post by miominmio on Mar 8, 2020 7:35:12 GMT
They've stopped testing "regularly" in France now. Over here, the virus is spreading to the point where only serious cases will get tested. I'm assuming this is what's been happening in the other epicentres. The numbers we're seeing in the news simply cannot reflect the reality. With Italy attempting a mass quarantine of their own starting tomorrow, it's getting quite worrying. I'm actually pretty pissed at the people who laughed this off and have been telling me to "calm down." Mostly elder men, ironically. Both IRL and on the global political stage. One thing I've noticed on this side of the pond: a lot of people are worried about the American government's reactions and lack of action so far. General consensus is that while the virus is spreading like wildfire over here already, at least we can count on some transparency from the European democracies. I feel bad for you, American Peas. The Italians should have done that already. Norway has 130 confirmed cases so far, and 95 percent of them has been infected in Italy. And yet, planes from Italy land here daily. Sweden stopped flights from Irsn last week, and we should have done the same with flights from Italy. There’s no point in advising against travel to a certain region, when you allow people from that region to enter your country freely.
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Post by wellway on Mar 8, 2020 8:21:18 GMT
They've stopped testing "regularly" in France now. Over here, the virus is spreading to the point where only serious cases will get tested. I'm assuming this is what's been happening in the other epicentres. The numbers we're seeing in the news simply cannot reflect the reality. With Italy attempting a mass quarantine of their own starting tomorrow, it's getting quite worrying. I'm actually pretty pissed at the people who laughed this off and have been telling me to "calm down." Mostly elder men, ironically. Both IRL and on the global political stage. One thing I've noticed on this side of the pond: a lot of people are worried about the American government's reactions and lack of action so far. General consensus is that while the virus is spreading like wildfire over here already, at least we can count on some transparency from the European democracies. I feel bad for you, American Peas. On one of the bbc's live feed (which I can't locate now) they made a note of the varying mortality rates and other info in the worst hit countries. In Italy the average age was 81 and three quarters of the deaths were men. The rates varied quite a bit, South Korea's rate was 0.65% whilst Italy was 3.something, sorry I read it a couple of days ago and am going by memory.
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Post by sueg on Mar 8, 2020 8:35:29 GMT
The Italians should have done that already. Norway has 130 confirmed cases so far, and 95 percent of them has been infected in Italy. And yet, planes from Italy land here daily. Sweden stopped flights from Irsn last week, and we should have done the same with flights from Italy. There’s no point in advising against travel to a certain region, when you allow people from that region to enter your country freely. What is weird in Germany is that there are restrictions on planes and trains from northern Italy, but anyone can drive up from there into Austria and then Germany (and onwards as well) with no controls. Germany last week was only testing if (a) you had corona symptoms and (b) you had been on a high risk area in the previous 2 weeks. They did have to deal with a bit of hysteria where everybody who coughed or sneezed was ringing the hotline and wanting to be tested, so in one way that makes some sense. They also asked people who had been in those areas - especially Italy, as it's so easy to get to and a popular vacation destination - to 'self-isolate', but I don't know that everyone was following that.
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Post by gar on Mar 8, 2020 9:29:43 GMT
One thing I've noticed on this side of the pond: a lot of people are worried about the American government's reactions and lack of action so far. General consensus is that while the virus is spreading like wildfire over here already, at least we can count on some transparency from the European democracies. I feel bad for you, American Peas. I have to agree - it's unfathomable that the USA apparently has so few cases.It wouldn't seem unreasonable that it's a deliberate ploy. A quarter of Italy's entire population is now on lockdown...you have to wonder if their somewhat fragile economy is going to cope well with this.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 9:35:46 GMT
They've stopped testing "regularly" in France now. Over here, the virus is spreading to the point where only serious cases will get tested. I'm assuming this is what's been happening in the other epicentres. The numbers we're seeing in the news simply cannot reflect the reality. With Italy attempting a mass quarantine of their own starting tomorrow, it's getting quite worrying. I'm actually pretty pissed at the people who laughed this off and have been telling me to "calm down." Mostly elder men, ironically. Both IRL and on the global political stage. One thing I've noticed on this side of the pond: a lot of people are worried about the American government's reactions and lack of action so far. General consensus is that while the virus is spreading like wildfire over here already, at least we can count on some transparency from the European democracies. I feel bad for you, American Peas. The Italians should have done that already. Norway has 130 confirmed cases so far, and 95 percent of them has been infected in Italy. And yet, planes from Italy land here daily. Sweden stopped flights from Irsn last week, and we should have done the same with flights from Italy. There’s no point in advising against travel to a certain region, when you allow people from that region to enter your country freely. Exactly what has happened here in Morocco....the two cases we have are people that came from Italy.
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Post by wellway on Mar 8, 2020 9:59:57 GMT
Disaster movies led me to believe America would react very differently.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 10:19:33 GMT
I am concerned about Morocco’s economy as well if this gets worse. We have barely had any rain this winter. Some areas are already starting to put water restrictions in place. Once Spring hits, there will be no rain. We most certainly are heading into a drought. Tourism is big for Morocco, so travel bans and just the decline of tourists will be a double whammy here.
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Post by joelise on Mar 8, 2020 10:26:08 GMT
I live 100 miles from my family. We were due to travel up at Easter but I’m worried travel might become restricted here, so we are now going up to visit my elderly parents on Tuesday, just in case there are problems at Easter. My sister thinks I’m being concerned unnecessarily. But my parents are in their 80s and both have health issues.
I lived in Milan for 4 years, so I’ve been thinking about how I would be feeling if I still lived there.
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Post by gar on Mar 8, 2020 10:27:17 GMT
I am concerned about Morocco’s economy as well if this gets worse. We have barely had any rain this winter. Some areas are already starting to put water restrictions in place. Once Spring hits, there will be no rain. We most certainly are heading into a drought. Tourism is big for Morocco, so travel bans and just the decline of tourists will be a double whammy here. My DD is due to be coming to Morocco for a hen weekend next month (I believe) I have to wonder if it'll still go ahead.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 11:00:30 GMT
I am concerned about Morocco’s economy as well if this gets worse. We have barely had any rain this winter. Some areas are already starting to put water restrictions in place. Once Spring hits, there will be no rain. We most certainly are heading into a drought. Tourism is big for Morocco, so travel bans and just the decline of tourists will be a double whammy here. My DD is due to be coming to Morocco for a hen weekend next month (I believe) I have to wonder if it'll still go ahead. I'm generally a very optimistic kind of a person but even I would hesitate to fly as things are at the moment. You ( general you ) can take all the precautions there is but you can't control what others do. A plane is a very confined space and you only need one person to disregard any symptoms for it to affect others and lets face it, there is always that one person. I find it unbelievable too that the US has such a low number of reported cases comparing the size of the population and the density of that population in some areas.Their low rate of testing are putting vulnerable people at risk which in a way reflects on the number of deaths they have from the " reported" numbers.Latest figures that I can see is 438 reported to 19 deaths. It's pretty high if you compare somewhere like Germany with nearly 700 reported cases but zero deaths.
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Post by compeateropeator on Mar 8, 2020 11:17:00 GMT
Our state (Vermont) has confirmed that is has our first presumptive positive COVID-19 case.
This is part of the article and our Governor will be holding a press conference this morning:
The patient listed by state officials on Saturday is not the first to be tested — 28 other Vermonters have tested negative for the disease after undergoing testing with the VDH, including some who were monitored after returning from China in February.
224 people in the Green Mountain State are currently being monitored for symptoms related to COVID-19.
NY and NH had confirmed cases so it obviously was just a matter of time. I work for a health network and that is what all of the communication has been saying...not if we get but when we get a confirmed case.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Mar 8, 2020 11:38:42 GMT
The government is purposely keeping official numbers low, trying to stall panic in the stock market, by not broadly testing.
I would not doubt if many, many people in my community already had it. All the people who "just have a touch of the flu" or "oh, it's just a bad cold" at my work alone, make me wonder.
What's worse is that even if testing was broadly available, the consensus among those I work with and neighbors I've talked to is that no one can afford the test, and they don't want to be officially tested because if they have to quarantine, they will lose their jobs, then their rooms/apartments and where would they & their families go?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 11:46:29 GMT
I am concerned about Morocco’s economy as well if this gets worse. We have barely had any rain this winter. Some areas are already starting to put water restrictions in place. Once Spring hits, there will be no rain. We most certainly are heading into a drought. Tourism is big for Morocco, so travel bans and just the decline of tourists will be a double whammy here. My DD is due to be coming to Morocco for a hen weekend next month (I believe) I have to wonder if it'll still go ahead. Right now, the only two known cases are in Casablanca. Where is she going? I am concerned that authorities did not test all of the people that came on that flight from Italy. I don’t believe those people were quarantined either.
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Post by craftmepink on Mar 8, 2020 11:52:24 GMT
I find this very worrisome. I live in Northern Virginia too and have been following coronavirus since it first was reported in Wuhan in mid/late January. China would not quarantine and essentially shut down down their entire economy for 2 months if something severe wasn't going on. I think China has been under reporting its numbers for weeks. The US isn't much better. I can't believe they don't have enough test kits available. If South Korea can test about 1,000+ people a day, why couldn't we? Obviously the US cares about the economy more than people's lives. I've been watching Peak Prosperity on YouTube and he does a really good job of explaining this situation. His videos are long but very logical, rational, and I completely agree with his perspective with what is happening. He also backs up his conclusions with data and sources. Link to Peak Prosperity, Coronavirus: Why the US is in trouble: www.youtube.com/watch?v=3etuaYTDwFILink to his channel: www.youtube.com/user/ChrisMartensondotcom
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Post by gar on Mar 8, 2020 12:06:28 GMT
My DD is due to be coming to Morocco for a hen weekend next month (I believe) I have to wonder if it'll still go ahead. Right now, the only two known cases are in Casablanca. Where is she going? I am concerned that authorities did not test all of the people that came on that flight from Italy. I don’t believe those people were quarantined either. Marrakesh I believe, but I’m not certain. I would guess your cases will go up with the Italian connection 😕
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Post by Why on Mar 8, 2020 12:25:06 GMT
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Post by gar on Mar 8, 2020 13:43:44 GMT
Wasn't sure where to post this but here seems as good a place as any Just as a general FYI, 6 of the most commonly reposted/retweeted supposed 'cures' or corona virus health myths are de-bunked here... BBC
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Post by quiltz on Mar 8, 2020 13:57:36 GMT
TORONTO -- There have been a total of 28 positive cases of novel coronavirus (COVID-19) reported in Ontario thus far.
Twenty-four of these patients currently remain in self-isolation at home, while the rest have recovered.
CTV News Toronto will be updating the following list as we learn of further developments.
Here is what we know so far:
A Toronto woman in her 20s, who recently returned from China. A woman in her 20s, who is a university student in London, Ont. and had recently returned from China. A Toronto husband and wife in their 50s, who recently travelled to China.
Active cases in Ontario
A man in his 20s who returned from Italy on March 3 and went to Mount Sinai Hospital's emergency department in Toronto and is recovering in self-isolation. A Richmond Hill woman in her 60s who returned from Iran on March 2 and presented to Mackenzie Richmond Hill Hospital's emergency department. A Toronto man in his 40s, who had travelled to Las Vegas on Feb. 28. He attended Toronto Western Hospital and is recovering in self-isolation. A Toronto man in his 50s, who returned home from Iran on Feb. 27. He presented himself to North York General Hospital on March 3. He remains at home in self-isolation. A husband and wife, both in their 60s, were aboard the Grand Princess Cruise Shop out of San Francisco from Feb. 11 to 21. They are recovering at home in self-isolation. A woman in her 50s, who had recently travelled to Italy. She attended a hospital in Kitchener when she returned and currently remains in self-isolation. A man in his 60s, who had recently returned home from Iran. He sought care at Sunnybrook Hospital and currently remains in self-isolation. Two more cases were confirmed on Tuesday by Ontario health officials in the Greater Toronto Area. Their ages and genders have not yet been released, but a spokesperson for the ministry said both residents had travel histories to Iran and Egypt. They have both been placed into self-isolation. A woman in her 60s, who had recently travelled to Egypt. She returned to Toronto on Feb. 20 and was seen at a Mackenzie Health in Richmond Hill nine days later. A woman in her 70s, who recently returned from Egypt. The woman is believed to be the roomate of another reported case in North York. A man in his 60s, who has a travel history to Iran. The man is a close contact of another North York case. A husband and wife in York Region, who had recently travelled to Iran. The 34-year-old woman and her husband remain in self-isolation after they attended Mackenzie Health in Richmond Hill. A husband and wife in Ajax. The 51-year-old woman had recently returned home from Iran, while her husband did not go with her. They both sought care at Lakeridge Health Ajax and Pickering and remain in self-isolation. A Toronto man in his 60s, who recently travelled to Iran. He was tested at North York General Hospital and remains in self-isolation. A man in his 50s in York Region and his brother, also a man in his 50s, in Toronto, who both recently travelled to Iran. The York Region man was treated at Mackenzie Health and his brother was treated at Sunnybrook Hospital. They both remain in self-isolation at their homes. A woman from Newmarket in her 70s, who was recently on a tour in Egypt. She was tested at South Lake Regional Health Centre and remains in self-isolation. A Toronto man in his 80s who was on the same tour in Egypt as the Newmarket woman. The pair had dinner together while there. He was tested at Scarborough Health Network’s General Hospital and remains in self-isolation. A husband and wife in Toronto. She had recently travelled to Iran, while he did not go with her. The man and woman in their 60s were tested at Sunnybrook Hospital and remain in self-isolation. Recovered cases in Ontario
A Toronto woman in her 20s, who recently returned from China. A woman in her 20s, who is a university student in London, Ont. and had recently returned from China. A Toronto husband and wife in their 50s, who recently travelled to China.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 14:06:01 GMT
Here's some data from those old fear-mongerers at Biz Consulting firm McKinsey & Co. Nothing to worry about, folks. It's just a cold.
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Post by lizacreates on Mar 8, 2020 14:11:54 GMT
Everyday there are new cases being reported and with The Atlantic’s reporting that only 1,985 people have been tested as of 2 days ago (in a country with a population of 327 million), what measure of confidence can someone have that matters are under control?
S Korea has been doing 10,000 tests a day. Per day. Doesn’t that comparison with the US bother anyone? Hong Kong. Packed-to-the-gills Hong Kong where people live practically on top of one another has managed to suppress large-scale outbreak with aggressive strategies. Some have said HK is overeacting. I’d rather have a country whose health officials are overeacting and being aggressive in order to protect its people than a leader who got tired of saying this is a Democratic hoax and pivoted to, “There are tests. The tests are beautiful.” ??
Facts: (NYT) Public health officials are warning that no one knows how deeply the virus will spread, in part because the federal government’s flawed rollout of tests three weeks ago has snowballed into an embarrassing fiasco of national proportions. In the last week, Mr. Trump and his top officials repeatedly promised that 1 million to 1.5 million tests would be sent around the country, even though labs — government and private ones alike — have struggled to get the tests running amid a growing number of infections and rising demand for tests.
It’s not hype. It’s reality.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 8, 2020 14:39:47 GMT
I don’t think it is paranoia or conspiracy theory to think that things are being hidden and/or manipulated when the president himself has said that he doesn’t want people on a cruise ship to be let off because that would make the “numbers” double. As usual, he doesn’t care about the people, he only cares about the Economy and how that looks for him. It’s surprising that he can’t even fake empathy or caring in order to seem like a better human and a better person.
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