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Post by grammadee on Mar 8, 2020 14:50:37 GMT
Thanks for the specific info from Ontario, quiltz. If it was a plan by President Trump to "keep the numbers down" that prompted the shortage of test kits in the US, I am thinking it may backfire in a statistical way, b/c if you only test the severe cases, then the death rate will appear higher.
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Post by yivit on Mar 8, 2020 14:51:23 GMT
That Nile cruise is why the greater Houston area has a jump in cases now. From what I read, it looks like the 'patient zero' from that cruise was Taiwanese (and I believe naturalized US citizen) who returned to Taiwan after the trip and that's where they first were seen and tested. Lots of instances on these presumptive-to-confirmed cases where there's no positive test result until that last day of the 14-day 'incubation period' - so it makes you wonder if they should extend that 14-day window...
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Post by wellway on Mar 8, 2020 14:56:02 GMT
So, lots of advice over here about sports events, don't shake hands, games cancelled or held behind closed doors, etc.
While waiting for the six nations international rugby game to start in ten min so, there is a big darts competition on the tv, big marquee packed with people, big entrances by players to music. One has just walked the length of the venue to Neil Diamonds Sweet Caroline with the words"touching me, touching you" and he was, hugs, handshakes etc with audience members.
Seems darts missed the memo.
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Post by pancakes on Mar 8, 2020 15:01:59 GMT
Here's some data from those old fear-mongerers at Biz Consulting firm McKinsey & Co. Are you just being facetious about not trusting McKinsey? Sorry I can’t tell on the internet these days 😬
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Post by elaine on Mar 8, 2020 15:05:14 GMT
Here's some data from those old fear-mongerers at Biz Consulting firm McKinsey & Co. Are you just being facetious about not trusting McKinsey? Sorry I can’t tell on the internet these days 😬 I think that she means that if a firm like McKinsey is projecting long term impacts on various markets, it must be real - as opposed to those who are blowing off the Coronavirus as “just a cold.”
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Post by elaine on Mar 8, 2020 15:09:58 GMT
And I’m sorry, but this is not a thread that should be marked as “Politics.” Yes, governmental action (in many countries) is part of the discussion, but it isn’t a thread that focuses on political ideology, etc.
The “politics” label is misused, IMO, here these days. It was meant to help people avoid politics-focused threads - elections, impeachment trial, Trump’s latest actions, Brexit, etc. It was not meant to be slapped on threads that focus on something else entirely, but in which governments are referred to within the context of the thread.
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Post by pancakes on Mar 8, 2020 15:11:54 GMT
That Nile cruise is why the greater Houston area has a jump in cases now. From what I read, it looks like the 'patient zero' from that cruise was Taiwanese (and I believe naturalized US citizen) who returned to Taiwan after the trip and that's where they first were seen and tested. Lots of instances on these presumptive-to-confirmed cases where there's no positive test result until that last day of the 14-day 'incubation period' - so it makes you wonder if they should extend that 14-day window... According to WaPo and NYT, the patient zero was identified by the Egyptian health officials as Taiwanese American. And then she wasn’t diagnosed until after she visited Taiwan (which has remarkably low cases for its proximity to China). It makes me wonder if she got it in the U.S. since she didn’t go to Asia until after the trip.
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Post by yivit on Mar 8, 2020 15:19:35 GMT
That Nile cruise is why the greater Houston area has a jump in cases now. From what I read, it looks like the 'patient zero' from that cruise was Taiwanese (and I believe naturalized US citizen) who returned to Taiwan after the trip and that's where they first were seen and tested. Lots of instances on these presumptive-to-confirmed cases where there's no positive test result until that last day of the 14-day 'incubation period' - so it makes you wonder if they should extend that 14-day window... According to WaPo and NYT, the patient zero was identified by the Egyptian health officials as Taiwanese American. And then she wasn’t diagnosed until after she visited Taiwan (which has remarkably low cases for its proximity to China). It makes me wonder if she got it in the U.S. since she didn’t go to Asia until after the trip. The articles I've read seem to conclude that the infection (or at least the spread) occurred during that Nile cruise. It will be interesting to see if they can backtrack the Taiwanese American's travels to the point of their exposure.
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Post by dewryce on Mar 8, 2020 15:23:35 GMT
While waiting for the six nations international rugby game to start in ten min so, there is a big darts competition on the tv, big marquee packed with people, big entrances by players to music. One has just walked the length of the venue to Neil Diamonds Sweet Caroline with the words"touching me, touching you" and he was, hugs, handshakes etc with audience members. Seems darts missed the memo.
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Post by yivit on Mar 8, 2020 15:26:29 GMT
On the work front (NASA Johnson Space Center), new policies were put into place as of yesterday (3/7). Certain buildings are now limited to official business access. The tours from Space Center Houston have been pretty much cancelled (such as mission control). It's the beginning of spring break season here so that's going to probably impact visitor numbers.
We had an agency-wide telework day on Friday to stress-test our VPN.
My office is in a building with a low number of people, but we're between mission control and the clinic.
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Post by gar on Mar 8, 2020 15:40:44 GMT
It’s surprising that he can’t even fake empathy or caring in order to seem like a better human and a better person. He already believes he's the bee's knees and couldn't appear any better
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Post by breetheflea on Mar 8, 2020 15:41:02 GMT
It was reported that "IT'S HERE!" in my county (in Washington State) yesterday There are several other people that have been tested and the results were supposed to be back early last week but they are still waiting. I'm pretty sure it's been "here" for a while but no one is getting tested. Half my neighborhood are "old people" so I'm kind of worried there... I don't want them to get sick. Meanwhile, I know sooo many people that are planning trips (one friend went to Seattle this weekend "just for fun" another is going to Disneyland next week) and I want to ask "do you READ the news, people?" I don't think there's any chance of this thing being contained. Even DH who was freaked out from a meeting at work a few weeks ago, is one minute telling me DS had a cough (Friday he stayed home from school, he's 6) we should call his doctor asap, the next telling me it's just media hype and we probably already had it so why are we worried. UGH!
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Mar 8, 2020 15:43:59 GMT
Disaster movies led me to believe America would react very differently. That's because disaster movies, even in their wild doomsday scenarios, never predicted an administration like this one. SO just read that Trump may have been directly exposed at CPAC... he shook hands with Matt Schlapp who shook hands with the CPAC patient zero.
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Post by gar on Mar 8, 2020 15:47:20 GMT
SO just read that Trump may have been directly exposed at CPAC... he shook hands with Matt Schlapp who shook hands with the CPAC patient zero. Hello Karma...is that you?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 16:25:08 GMT
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Post by pancakes on Mar 8, 2020 16:32:30 GMT
Are you just being facetious about not trusting McKinsey? Sorry I can’t tell on the internet these days 😬 McKinsey has a reputation for being sober and conservative. (not the sort of sober that a lack of alcohol produces) I think the thought was that that they are the direct opposite of excitable, over reacting fear-mongers. They are numbers and statistics people. Their business advice will be based on numbers and patterns, not on feelings. Oh trust me, I know — I almost accepted an offer there. I was just double checking because they are a reputable big 3 consulting firm and it’s hard to tell when someone is being purposefully ironic on the internet these days.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 16:48:02 GMT
Right now, the only two known cases are in Casablanca. Where is she going? I am concerned that authorities did not test all of the people that came on that flight from Italy. I don’t believe those people were quarantined either. Marrakesh I believe, but I’m not certain. I would guess your cases will go up with the Italian connection 😕 I am sure I don’t have to tell you Marrakech is the tourist hub. I know as a resident I don’t have a comfort level at the moment that there has been adequate testing. I would suggest keeping an eye on the situation here. Feel free to PM me and I can let you know what is going on here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 16:49:43 GMT
Looks like they have suspended flights to Venice and Milan from Morocco.
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Post by gar on Mar 8, 2020 16:54:42 GMT
Marrakesh I believe, but I’m not certain. I would guess your cases will go up with the Italian connection 😕 I am sure I don’t have to tell you Marrakech is the tourist hub. I know as a resident I don’t have a comfort level at the moment that there has been adequate testing. I would suggest keeping an eye on the situation here. Feel free to PM me and I can let you know what is going on here. Thank you, I appreciate that and I will pass on your info to my DD.
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Post by katybee on Mar 8, 2020 16:55:24 GMT
Thanks for the specific info from Ontario, quiltz . If it was a plan by President Trump to "keep the numbers down" that prompted the shortage of test kits in the US, I am thinking it may backfire in a statistical way, b/c if you only test the severe cases, then the death rate will appear higher. Yeah...I don’t think math is his strong suit. Or science. Or ethics. Or logic.
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Post by katybee on Mar 8, 2020 16:56:27 GMT
That Nile cruise is why the greater Houston area has a jump in cases now. From what I read, it looks like the 'patient zero' from that cruise was Taiwanese (and I believe naturalized US citizen) who returned to Taiwan after the trip and that's where they first were seen and tested. Lots of instances on these presumptive-to-confirmed cases where there's no positive test result until that last day of the 14-day 'incubation period' - so it makes you wonder if they should extend that 14-day window... I’ve heard the incubation period could be up to 25 days...
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Post by katybee on Mar 8, 2020 16:58:44 GMT
And I’m sorry, but this is not a thread that should be marked as “Politics.” Yes, governmental action (in many countries) is part of the discussion, but it isn’t a thread that focuses on political ideology, etc. The “politics” label is misused, IMO, here these days. It was meant to help people avoid politics-focused threads - elections, impeachment trial, Trump’s latest actions, Brexit, etc. It was not meant to be slapped on threads that focus on something else entirely, but in which governments are referred to within the context of the thread. True. But to be fair, I’m going to bash Trump and his entire inept administration.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 17:05:52 GMT
Had dinner with my parent last night and they told us that they closed and had to sanitize the senior center that they go to because one of the volunteers was on the same cruise as the person who died. Apparently, that person had already volunteered before she was notified about the possibility of exposure. With the number of passengers who are already home, I’d venture to guess that quite a few people have already been exposed and are inadvertently exposing others who are then inadvertently doing the same.
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 8, 2020 17:11:15 GMT
I don’t think it is paranoia or conspiracy theory to think that things are being hidden and/or manipulated when the president himself has said that he doesn’t want people on a cruise ship to be let off because that would make the “numbers” double. As usual, he doesn’t care about the people, he only cares about the Economy and how that looks for him. It’s surprising that he can’t even fake empathy or caring in order to seem like a better human and a better person. Yeah, it’s not paranoia if they are literally telling you what they are doing. For your daily dispatch from the front lines here in Seattle, things are gradually shutting down. Our temple has cancelled Hebrew school, bar/bat mitzvah events, the Purim carnival, and all food—they are doing the Purim play today from a closed building and broadcasting it. I had a birthday party for my twins yesterday, and reports are that about 1/5 of the kids in their classes have been pulled out of school (they do attend a school with notoriously high-involvement-type parents, but still). I am still going to barre class, but attendance is about 1/2 that it normally is. There is no traffic. There are no brunch lines. I ran to the mall to get a birthday present for my kid who is turning 14 today (he wanted the LEGO Disney castle!), and the parking lot was almost empty. Online grocery delivery services are now backed up days. My project for today is to figure out how to use Zoom Pro to teach my classes. Wish me luck! Anyhow, I cancelled my spring break trip because I am too worried about getting stranded somewhere, and at this point, I am also worried about being a germ vector dragging Seattle’s virus into a less-infested community. My advice to everyone is not to hoard supplies or freak out about toilet paper, but to figure out now how you would either do your job remotely or bridge financial gaps if you work hourly at a service job and can’t go in. The hospitality industry here is being killed—hotel workers are having shifts cancelled, restaurant servers aren’t getting their tips and hours, and reports are that a lot of small businesses, particularly restaurants, are a month off from having to close because of the reduced traffic.
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Post by silverlining on Mar 8, 2020 17:30:09 GMT
The difficulty in getting test kits is alarming to me. I heard the governor of Utah today on NPR as I was driving. They just got their first positive case there, a woman who had been on the Grand Princess Cruise to Mexico (before the Hawaii cruise.) Utah just got 400 test kits for a state of 30 million people.
She went to her doctor's office twice because she didn't feel well. Later, of course, a passenger passed away from COVID-19, but at the time almost all the passengers left the boat when the cruise ended, neither they, nor the crew, knew they might have been exposed. Her physician and office staff and other people in the waiting room should be tested, as well as everyone else she had contact with. And everyone else who was on that first cruise. And all of their contacts.
I wish we had drive-up testing like they do in South Korea. I don't remember where I saw the video of a health care worker in full protective gear reaching into a car window and doing a nasal swab.
If our government wanted the numbers to look good, they could pour money into making more test kits, let everyone who felt they were at risk get tested, and then brag about all the negative results. At least that way anyone who tested positive could start getting treatment before it became more serious.
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Post by lucyg on Mar 8, 2020 18:05:02 GMT
epeanymous, I don’t LIKE your post, but I appreciate the report. So depressing. I’d been wanting to fly up to Seattle to visit my aunt with stage 4 cancer this month, but then decided maybe I ought to drive instead so I don’t end up getting stranded up there. (Not that I really can take the time to drive.) Now I’m thinking I’d better just stay away, period. This is ugly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 18:23:32 GMT
What happens when people can't afford to stay home?
Cuz, you know, in America, profits come first. So benefits, like extended sick leave, are hard to come by. Especially in service jobs.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 8, 2020 18:29:48 GMT
Well that is an interesting theory. I have to say, here in San Francisco where there is a strong Chinese population, the people I know say the Chinese government has under-reported the number of cases by at least ten times. I have no problem believing that, BUT the Chineese people here are NOT connected to that and their businesses should be supported as all the others are!!
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Post by lucyg on Mar 8, 2020 18:33:17 GMT
Well that is an interesting theory. I have to say, here in San Francisco where there is a strong Chinese population, the people I know say the Chinese government has under-reported the number of cases by at least ten times. I have no problem believing that, BUT the Chineese people here are NOT connected to that and their businesses should be supported as all the others are!! You’re preaching to the choir here.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Mar 8, 2020 18:40:06 GMT
What happens when people can't afford to stay home? Cuz, you know, in America, profits come first. So benefits, like extended sick leave, are hard to come by. Especially in service jobs. Exactly. Most places won’t hold your job if you are out 2 weeks without preapproval. Those in minimum wage or even those in service jobs will likely loose their jobs if quarantined and then loose their insurance if they have it. This could get really ugly for people living paycheck to paycheck. Heck even those that aren’t two weeks or more without pay is going to hurt.
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