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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 8, 2020 18:49:22 GMT
A plane is a very confined space and you only need one person to disregard any symptoms for it to affect others and lets face it, there is always that one person. One of the problems is that it can be spread before there are any symptoms.. That can be a big issue!!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 8, 2020 18:53:11 GMT
Bold mine: Another problem is that if you are tested by a public lab it is free, if it is a private lab there are charges which can be HIGH, in the thousands. Some healthcare will cover some or all, but maybe not. Talk about hidden medical charges!
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Post by Skellinton on Mar 8, 2020 18:55:49 GMT
What happens when people can't afford to stay home? Cuz, you know, in America, profits come first. So benefits, like extended sick leave, are hard to come by. Especially in service jobs. Exactly. Most places won’t hold your job if you are out 2 weeks without preapproval. Those in minimum wage or even those in service jobs will likely loose their jobs if quarantined and then loose their insurance if they have it. This could get really ugly for people living paycheck to paycheck. Heck even those that aren’t two weeks or more without pay is going to hurt. Exactly, I don’t have to worry that my job won’t understand if I get sick and need to take the time off, but with only 10 PTO days a year and closures for winter break, spring break and 2-3 weeks of summer it isn’t like I have enough to even come close to covering a short sickness, let alone a two week quarantine. I don’t live pay check to pay check, but things would get tight very quickly for us. Every-time I sneeze or cough I am worried that maybe I have it! I know that is ridiculous, but it is scary and I would feel awful if I was spreading anything around. What is the line you cross to get tested? I don’t ever run fevers, I haven’t since I was little no matter what sick I was. So how do you tell? I don’t live that far from Breetheflea, so there are confirmed cases here.
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Post by valincal on Mar 8, 2020 19:01:02 GMT
There have to be thousands of infected people out there who have not been tested for the virus if the illness can be as mild as they are claiming. I’m just trying to do all I can from my end but I am not limiting my future travel plans for now. That could change.
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Post by yivit on Mar 8, 2020 19:11:32 GMT
Bold mine: Another problem is that if you are tested by a public lab it is free, if it is a private lab there are charges which can be HIGH, in the thousands. Some healthcare will cover some or all, but maybe not. Talk about hidden medical charges! I just got an email from my healthcare provider (Anthem/BCBS). Part of it reads: How your benefits will work Q: What will my Anthem benefits cover for services related to COVID-19 testing and care? A: Your Anthem health plan will cover the care you get if you’re diagnosed as having COVID-19. For those who have fully insured, individual, Medicare and Medicaid plans, it’ll also waive your out-of-pocket expenses for the focused test used to diagnose COVID-19. You can call the number on the back of your identification card to confirm coverage. You'll pay any other out-of-pocket expenses your plan requires related to COVID-19, unless otherwise determined by state law or regulation. Q: How much will a COVID-19 test cost me? A:It shouldn't cost you anything if you receive a test from the Centers for Disease Control or if you have a fully insured, Medicare or Medicaid plan. Of course, they have to have the tests available...
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 8, 2020 19:12:25 GMT
Lots of instances on these presumptive-to-confirmed cases where there's no positive test result until that last day of the 14-day 'incubation period' - so it makes you wonder if they should extend that 14-day window... The people from the Dream Princess off Japan did do at least 29 days. 14 on the ship and another 14 here in quarantined. I wish we had drive-up testing like they do in South Korea. I don't remember where I saw the video of a health care worker in full protective gear reaching into a car window and doing a nasal swab. I saw the drive up testing video. I had concerns because after the 'test' the driver was handed a clipboard to fill out his/her info. Was it sanitized before each car occupant?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 8, 2020 19:19:15 GMT
Exactly, I don’t have to worry that my job won’t understand if I get sick and need to take the time off, but with only 10 PTO days a year and closures for winter break, spring break and 2-3 weeks of summer it isn’t like I have enough to even come close to covering a short sickness, let alone a two week quarantine. Somewhere I did read that there have been discussions to expedit temporary disability, state disability for 'sickness' and unemployment for 'healthy' quarantine. I am NOT sure of the details, it was a few days ago. (seems longer ago than that!) Of course that does not protect a job, but helps the finances hopefully! Employers might have big problem trying to hire and train new employees, and of course might have to deal with major negative scrutiny. Scrapper100
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Post by destined2bmom on Mar 8, 2020 19:21:24 GMT
I have read this entire thread but have taken gaps to do other things in-between pages. I would like to make a few comments. First, elaine Thank you for starting this thread. As a mom of an immuno suppressed child; this entire coronavirus is extremely concerning and worrisome. elaine I can understand your also worrying about your boys. So I am right there with all of you moms, or children, siblings of someone or a pea who has a high probability of getting it and passing away from it. I also think that our government may be hiding information just like the government of China did when it was first discovered. I actually told DH a week ago that I wondered if China didn’t report it because of trade and financial markets. I have also wondered if this is a way to do population control. I know that some of you may think that I am reaching; but it is moving very fast and it’s been deadly. We have talked and when we hear about the first case in our county, our children will be cyber schooled. We are planning to put a garden in to save money and if need be to eliminate going to the stores. For those of you who are living in the affected areas, my thoughts are with you and I pray that your family, friends and neighbors are spared. I don’t understand why; if the CDC is ordering people to be tested, to prevent spread, that they would have to pay for the test. I haven’t run across that on the news. I am now concerned about people who think that they may have it going back to work and infecting their colleagues. I am also concerned like someone pointed out; those who have no choice but to go to work I realize it may be to much to ask our government to make it easy for everyone who has been exposed, tested positive or may be positive to be able to quarantine without penalties and help with food and mortgages/rents so this virus can be stopped.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Mar 8, 2020 19:26:31 GMT
There have to be thousands of infected people out there who have not been tested for the virus if the illness can be as mild as they are claiming. I’m just trying to do all I can from my end but I am not limiting my future travel plans for now. That could change. I agree. I’m not as afraid of getting it as I am if getting quarantined or not but being able to get my hysterectomy the end of April. That and people are loosing their ever living mind lining up to buy water and TP. I can’t believe that hoarders don’t already have several years worth or have run out of money by now. People are still lining up at Costco daily with limits at 2 on the items that people are hoarding. I am worried about what these people will do once it really spreads. We have several possible cases in nearby cities. ETA Im really hoping that tests are made available and we figure out how to protect the most vulnerable. The lag time in testing and the fact that those that should be tested aren’t. I’m so disgusted with our country right now. I wasn’t surprised that china tried to cover it up but I thought we were better than that on so many levels. Of course the market will take a hit but getting ahead if this early helps everyone including the market as fewer people will be exposed snd there for less people will die.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 8, 2020 19:31:01 GMT
I have read this entire thread but have taken gaps to do other things in-between pages. I would like to make a few comments. First, elaine Thank you for starting this thread. As a mom of an immuno suppressed child; this entire coronavirus is extremely concerning and worrisome. elaine I can understand your also worrying about your boys. So I am right there with all of you moms, or children, siblings of someone or a pea who has a high probability of getting it and passing away from it. I also think that our government may be hiding information just like the government of China did when it was first discovered. I actually told DH a week ago that I wondered if China didn’t report it because of trade and financial markets. I have also wondered if this is a way to do population control. I know that some of you may think that I am reaching; but it is moving very fast and it’s been deadly. We have talked and when we hear about the first case in our county, our children will be cyber schooled. We are planning to put a garden in to save money and if need be to eliminate going to the stores. For those of you who are living in the affected areas, my thoughts are with you and I pray that your family, friends and neighbors are spared. I don’t understand why; if the CDC is ordering people to be tested, to prevent spread, that they would have to pay for the test. I haven’t run across that on the news. I am now concerned about people who think that they may have it going back to work and infecting their colleagues. I am also concerned like someone pointed out; those who have no choice but to go to work I realize it may be to much to ask our government to make it easy for everyone who has been exposed, tested positive or may be positive to be able to quarantine without penalties and help with food and mortgages/rents so this virus can be stopped. How thoughtful you are!! Thanks!! I have no work/lost money issues. I am retired, but that also puts me in one of the endangered groups. We are having spectacular weather today and I was going to go out to pick up some odds 'n ends, but alas no. I will wait until tomorrow after the weekend, hopefully when there are fewer people in the stores.
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Post by chlerbie on Mar 8, 2020 19:31:07 GMT
Hey, this is just the flu. Totally normal. Just like it's totally normal to quarantine 16 million people. We've got ABSOLUTELY nothing to worry about, so why do we need those stinkin' tests? Just wash your hands and all will be well. Trump and Pence are ON this. It's a good thing they instituted that "gag order" at the beginning of things because why should we give honest information to citizens or prepare in anyway?
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Post by MichyM on Mar 8, 2020 19:37:35 GMT
I'm also in Seattle and am completely blown away by how much has changed here in one short week. Y'all, if you think you don't need to "prepare," I disagree. And if you don't do it now, while you have the opportunity to do so easily, I think you're a little nuts. It's beyond sad what's going on, and I feel for so many people, including those who's livelihood is affected by the virus. There are a whole lot of people who will be/are in dire straights financially because of loss of income.
This morning I made the tough decision to postpone a large event on Tuesday. I've rescheduled it for the end of April, and am hopeful things will be heading back to normal by then. If not, I'll reschedule it again. Thankfully, thus far eveyone is understanding about it.
I'm also seriously considering canceling my trip to NYC to see my son later this month. I've given myself until Wednesday to decide. My plane ticket is fine and I can get a credit, but my hotel was booked in November during the hotel's annual sale and is non-refundable. There's nothing on the hotel's site about the virus, so I'll have to call and see what they're doing about refunds for non-refundable reservations. If I can even just get a credit to use at a future date I'd be good with that. I also have theatre tix for several shows this trip and I'm not sure what's going to happen with that. They're house seats (booked through a member of the production team rather than a ticketing venue) and am looking into what, if anything they're doing for people who want to cancel. It's more complicated than if they were regular tix.
As to the government's response to the virus in the Seattle area. I won't get into speculation, but in two words: IT STINKS.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Mar 8, 2020 19:47:43 GMT
One thing I've noticed on this side of the pond: a lot of people are worried about the American government's reactions and lack of action so far. General consensus is that while the virus is spreading like wildfire over here already, at least we can count on some transparency from the European democracies. I feel bad for you, American Peas. I have to agree - it's unfathomable that the USA apparently has so few cases.It wouldn't seem unreasonable that it's a deliberate ploy. A quarter of Italy's entire population is now on lockdown...you have to wonder if their somewhat fragile economy is going to cope well with this. They unlocked 7.5 billion euros to deal with the situation. My guess is that the EU is going to have to step in and help consolidate the more worrisome economies left and right. That's the game when you're all in it together. It has been one heck of a crazy Sunday for me in the South-East of France. Don't want to go into details but helping someone prepare for 14 days of self-confinement when all stores are closed + "negotiating" with my stubborn stepfather to limit social interactions since he's part of the most at risk population has been exhausting, physically and mentally. I'm amazed at how many of my millennial/young Gen X friends are having to persuade their parents and grandparents to take this seriously.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Mar 8, 2020 19:48:41 GMT
I think everyone should have a stock of basics if possible. The hoarding is what I think is nuts. I won’t be doing any extra travel even if I was able to right now. While I’m not particularly worried about it I’m still going to be cautious and have no plans to be in large crowds. I’m an introvert though snd don’t like crowds though. I shop at off hours.
While we have relatives that are older and have health issues I know there is nothing we can do at this point to change their behaviors and we only see them on holidays but don’t do Easter so it will be s while so not worried about passing anything on. If they lived in a retirement home I would be worried though.
I think people should be more cautious about what they are doing but know most aren’t going to change their actions much. Hoping they are at least washing their hands more.
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Post by destined2bmom on Mar 8, 2020 19:59:06 GMT
... I have also wondered if this is a way to do population control. I know that some of you may think that I am reaching; … We are planning to put a garden in to save money and if need be to eliminate going to the stores. No, the thought of that has entered my mind. The "less desirable would be effected the most. The economic impact would be the strongest and with lack of a healthy environment and diet, it will be more likely to snowball within those groups. I would expect this to hit homeless communities hard. To hit the poor hard. To hit the service trade hard. All people who are being considered less desirable, or expendable. The garden is a great idea for general health and self reliance, but won't the benefit kick in later than you need? Other than sprouts or young leaf lettuces. If we plant in middle March or early April, we will have our garden by the end of May, beginning of June. It usually goes until the end of October. I also agree those groups would be the hardest hit; besides the ones in the endangered groups. And the homeless with mental illnesses probably would not be tested; because they would refuse to go to the hospital.
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Post by Hayjaker on Mar 8, 2020 20:05:40 GMT
I'm also in Seattle and am completely blown away by how much has changed here in one short week. Y'all, if you think you don't need to "prepare," I disagree. And if you don't do it now, while you have the opportunity to do so easily, I think you're a little nuts. It's beyond sad what's going on, and I feel for so many people, including those who's livelihood is affected by the virus. There are a whole lot of people who will be/are in dire straights financially because of loss of income. I live in Oregon and my county just announced the first presumptive case. I am curious and interested about the local response (also a bit nervous). However, my DD was scheduled to go to Seattle this week for a field trip that was cancelled and our school district posted: ”We are sorry to announce that the High School Seattle Science trip scheduled next week, March, 9th, 10th and 11th has been canceled. University of Washington, Shoreline Community College and Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Institute have cancelleD all tour groups in order to minimize Coronavirus exposure.“
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Post by wellway on Mar 8, 2020 20:34:10 GMT
I have to agree - it's unfathomable that the USA apparently has so few cases.It wouldn't seem unreasonable that it's a deliberate ploy. A quarter of Italy's entire population is now on lockdown...you have to wonder if their somewhat fragile economy is going to cope well with this. They unlocked 7.5 billion euros to deal with the situation. My guess is that the EU is going to have to step in and help consolidate the more worrisome economies left and right. That's the game when you're all in it together. It has been one heck of a crazy Sunday for me in the South-East of France. Don't want to go into details but helping someone prepare for 14 days of self-confinement when all stores are closed + "negotiating" with my stubborn stepfather to limit social interactions since he's part of the most at risk population has been exhausting, physically and mentally. I'm amazed at how many of my millennial/young Gen X friends are having to persuade their parents and grandparents to take this seriously. I have rung my parents, in a different country, everyday for a week or so and asked them to stock up on tins, frozen food, flour, eggs etc. I know my brother rang them too. My sister visited over the weekend and checked the situation, it was fine mainly because they had shopped for her and her bf's arrival. Asked them to avoid crowded place, my dad is completely in the at risk group. Oh yes, no problem, then went on to tell me about their visit to their favourite and very popular restaurant. Sensing I might groan loudly my mum said but we had a table to ourselves away from others. But, I pointed out, the waiter went from table to table. There are now community transmissions of the virus there. Screaming quietly in the corner.
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Post by gar on Mar 8, 2020 21:21:24 GMT
Asked them to avoid crowded place, my dad is completely in the at risk group. Oh yes, no problem, then went on to tell me about their visit to their favourite and very popular restaurant. Sensing I might groan loudly my mum said but we had a table to ourselves away from others. But, I pointed out, the waiter went from table to table. There are now community transmissions of the virus there. Screaming quietly in the corner. Yeah, I think it still seems bit abstract to them and their outing/trip won't be a problem
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Post by hop2 on Mar 8, 2020 21:40:53 GMT
And I’m sorry, but this is not a thread that should be marked as “Politics.” Yes, governmental action (in many countries) is part of the discussion, but it isn’t a thread that focuses on political ideology, etc. The “politics” label is misused, IMO, here these days. It was meant to help people avoid politics-focused threads - elections, impeachment trial, Trump’s latest actions, Brexit, etc. It was not meant to be slapped on threads that focus on something else entirely, but in which governments are referred to within the context of the thread. Of course it’s marked political. If you stick your head in the sand, plug your ears & sing la la la la loudly to yourself it can’t effect you, because you don’t know about it. 🙄
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Post by Merge on Mar 8, 2020 22:34:18 GMT
And I’m sorry, but this is not a thread that should be marked as “Politics.” Yes, governmental action (in many countries) is part of the discussion, but it isn’t a thread that focuses on political ideology, etc. The “politics” label is misused, IMO, here these days. It was meant to help people avoid politics-focused threads - elections, impeachment trial, Trump’s latest actions, Brexit, etc. It was not meant to be slapped on threads that focus on something else entirely, but in which governments are referred to within the context of the thread. Of course it’s marked political. If you stick your head in the sand, plug your ears & sing la la la la loudly to yourself it can’t effect you, because you don’t know about it. 🙄 Peak 2020: when the dissemination of accurate, science-based information is "political."
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Post by elaine on Mar 8, 2020 22:35:56 GMT
We have our second confirmed case in Fairfax Co., VA. A man in his 80s who was took a Nile river cruise and who lives in Fairfax City. Our school district is sending out communications to parents that they are aware that Coronavirus is in the area and that they are monitoring the situation.
We have 187,000 students in our school district. It is somewhat sobering with the 75,000 test kits currently available in the whole USA, we couldn’t even test half the students in our K-12 public schools in my county alone, should/when it start(s) circulating in the schools. Let’s hope that those “millions” of test kits that Pence and the White House spokespeople keep promising will actually materialize this week.
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Post by pierogi on Mar 8, 2020 22:50:26 GMT
Of course it’s marked political. If you stick your head in the sand, plug your ears & sing la la la la loudly to yourself it can’t effect you, because you don’t know about it. 🙄 Peak 2020: when the dissemination of accurate, science-based information is "political." “ In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality was tacitly denied by their philosophy.” George Orwell, 1984
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Post by lucyg on Mar 8, 2020 22:55:24 GMT
I'm also in Seattle and am completely blown away by how much has changed here in one short week. Y'all, if you think you don't need to "prepare," I disagree. And if you don't do it now, while you have the opportunity to do so easily, I think you're a little nuts. It's beyond sad what's going on, and I feel for so many people, including those who's livelihood is affected by the virus. There are a whole lot of people who will be/are in dire straights financially because of loss of income. This morning I made the tough decision to postpone a large event on Tuesday. I've rescheduled it for the end of April, and am hopeful things will be heading back to normal by then. If not, I'll reschedule it again. Thankfully, thus far eveyone is understanding about it. I'm also seriously considering canceling my trip to NYC to see my son later this month. I've given myself until Wednesday to decide. My plane ticket is fine and I can get a credit, but my hotel was booked in November during the hotel's annual sale and is non-refundable. There's nothing on the hotel's site about the virus, so I'll have to call and see what they're doing about refunds for non-refundable reservations. If I can even just get a credit to use at a future date I'd be good with that. I also have theatre tix for several shows this trip and I'm not sure what's going to happen with that. They're house seats (booked through a member of the production team rather than a ticketing venue) and am looking into what, if anything they're doing for people who want to cancel. It's more complicated than if they were regular tix. As to the government's response to the virus in the Seattle area. I won't get into speculation, but in two words: IT STINKS. Well, what would you expect? Your governor is a SNAKE. VP Pence shouldn’t have even spoken to him! Kind of reminds me of Trump’s response to our Camp Fire last year.
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Post by grammadee on Mar 8, 2020 22:55:31 GMT
Really makes you think about what is "normal" for everyone. If we are staying home and ordering from Amazon, who is at work packing up the boxes, unloading the shiploads of product coming in, working at the post office, or delivering packages?
If we want to be stocking up on supplies at Costco, who is looking after the Costco workers' kids who are out of school b/c the school is closed?
If we are self quarantined and the power goes out, who is looking after the electric company employees' kids so they can go and fix it? Or deliver our necessities? Who will be caring for us in the hospital if that is where we need to go?
How long can the insurance companies hold out? Those that insure the cruise companies for lost income due to cancelled trips and extra meals etc for passengers held on board for an extra 14 days? Or cancelled flight insurance? Or cancelled venue insurance?
How long can a minimum wage person stay home from work before they are in trouble with their landlord or other creditors?
It would be nice to say that our government should be able to step in and rescue individuals and industries hit hard. But our governments are all up to their eyeballs in DEBT. To whom? Chinese banks and who knows whom else? Will THOSE lending groups feel the crunch and start demanding payments?
Life used to be alot simpler. You grew your own food or bought it from a neighbour (traded it for something you grew). You stayed at home most of the time and preserved food for whole seasons. A vehicle was constructed in one place bringing in raw materials from nearby. Now if we put a gps on automotive parts from mine to foundry to assembly plant to auto dealer, or scrapbook paper from tree to my scrap table, it would be mind boggling.
Sorry for the ramble. Not feeling panic about this, just wondering if this is the point where we all reassess how things are "always" done... It was the black plague that brought down the system of the middle ages...
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 8, 2020 22:58:14 GMT
Of course it’s marked political. If you stick your head in the sand, plug your ears & sing la la la la loudly to yourself it can’t effect you, because you don’t know about it. 🙄 Peak 2020: when the dissemination of accurate, science-based information is "political." In fairness there's a ton of non science-based information on this thread that is absolutely political.
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Post by Mystie on Mar 8, 2020 22:58:48 GMT
grammadee I've been having some similar ponderings. We're all very intricately interconnected. There could be lasting societal change from this virus, or the next one.
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Mar 8, 2020 22:59:12 GMT
And I’m sorry, but this is not a thread that should be marked as “Politics.” Yes, governmental action (in many countries) is part of the discussion, but it isn’t a thread that focuses on political ideology, etc. The “politics” label is misused, IMO, here these days. It was meant to help people avoid politics-focused threads - elections, impeachment trial, Trump’s latest actions, Brexit, etc. It was not meant to be slapped on threads that focus on something else entirely, but in which governments are referred to within the context of the thread. Of course it’s marked political. If you stick your head in the sand, plug your ears & sing la la la la loudly to yourself it can’t effect you, because you don’t know about it. 🙄 Maybe it's just me, but this thread does not have a political label on it for me.
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Post by elaine on Mar 8, 2020 23:01:26 GMT
Of course it’s marked political. If you stick your head in the sand, plug your ears & sing la la la la loudly to yourself it can’t effect you, because you don’t know about it. 🙄 Maybe it's just me, but this thread does not have a political label on it for me. It has been on and off all day. Right now it is off.
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Mar 8, 2020 23:02:15 GMT
Maybe it's just me, but this thread does not have a political label on it for me. It has been on and off all day. Right now it is off. oh, I see. I didn't realize the label worked that way.
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Post by elaine on Mar 8, 2020 23:03:20 GMT
It has been on and off all day. Right now it is off. oh, I see. I didn't realize the label worked that way. Yes, users can put it on or take it off at will. Even though I started the thread, anyone can label - or unlabel - it as “politics.”
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