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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 19, 2020 11:40:26 GMT
I see videos of people in other countries wearing masks when they are out. I’m watching a video from Italy and the reporter is Saying that people get upset with others if they are in public without masks and gloves.
Largely, we have been told that masks don’t work. Have they been told that masks DO work? Or is it just a precaution that makes people feel like they are doing something? Who is getting accurate info?
ETA that I am not panicking about needing to get a mask, and am not planning to try to find a mask. I know that there are not enough and am concerned about that with the healthcare providers. So, I don’t need to be chastised about leaving the masks for them. I also know what the cdc is recommending. I am just curious what other governments are recommending and whether or not the use of masks is recommended by the health agencies or if the people have just taken that on themselves.
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Post by littlemama on Mar 19, 2020 11:47:44 GMT
Masks need to be reserved for health care professionals- they need them far more than the average citizen Healthy people do not need masks. Sick people can wear masks.
Per the CDC
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 19, 2020 11:55:08 GMT
Masks need to be reserved for health care professionals- they need them far more than the average citizen Healthy people do not need masks. Sick people can wear masks. Per the CDC I know that is what the cdc is recommending. I guess I am asking a few questions—are the health departments in other countries recommending masks while ours is not? Or are the citizens just taking that upon themselves? If there is a difference in recommendations from agencies, who is right?
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Post by littlemama on Mar 19, 2020 11:57:12 GMT
Regardless of what other countries have been told, WE need to leave the masks for the health professionals. They are the front line on this and they are running low on supplies.
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Post by paigepea on Mar 19, 2020 12:00:56 GMT
If you are sick or are contagious and don’t know it a mask reduces the chances of you passing on the virus if you’re sick. Not that I wear a mask. That’s why people wear them.
it’s just that we are in Vancouver and there is a huge Asian community. The Asian community is big into wearing masks. Some of my friends have said it’s part of the culture in China and Hong Kong - to wear masks when you are sick. One friend of mine explained to me that it isn’t about protecting yourself - it’s about protecting everyone else from your sickness you know about and the sickness you don’t know you have. She said her and her brother don’t understand why we, in the west, don’t wear masks to protect others. She said she can’t find a box of masks here at all and that in Hong Kong they were going for $1,000 a box. I don’t know how accurate any of this is - just what she told me.
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Post by maryannscraps on Mar 19, 2020 12:03:57 GMT
Healthy people do not need masks. Per the CDC. Most people don't know how to use them properly anyhow -- they manage to wipe whatever was on the mask onto their skin when they take it off.
Sick people should wear masks to contain any droplets from coughing or sneezing from contaminating the people around them.
I don't know that I'd trust what random people on the street are saying in other countries, there's a lot of misinformation out there.
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Post by gar on Mar 19, 2020 12:07:19 GMT
This is a good explanation  It's a cartoon like below... link
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 12:14:08 GMT
I have three girls who are nurses and they don’t have N95 masks yet.
Please reserve masks for health care professionals right now.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 19, 2020 12:19:54 GMT
Regardless of what other countries have been told, WE need to leave the masks for the health professionals. They are the front line on this and they are running low on supplies. I know that. Did I ever say that I was going to buy a mask? It was just speculation On where the differing recommendations/actions are coming from.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 12:20:45 GMT
My friend is a family doctor. She told me last night their offices issued each doctor one (1) N95 mask. She has been using her's for a little over two weeks now. I was watching a video on CNN yesterday where a hospital in Georgia has gone through six months worth of N95 masks in 4 days and they are making "covers" for their N95s in order to extend their usefulness between patients. That led me to a Google search where I found documentation on the CDC website where it states N95 masks can be used for extended periods of time. That information has been out since 2009. There are techniques to significantly extend the life of N95 masks based on past pandemics (H1N1, SARS and MERS). FYI - Here is a second article backing up the CDC's recommendation on N95 reuse from The National Academies of Science, Engineering and Medicine.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 19, 2020 12:22:56 GMT
I have three girls who are nurses and they don’t have N95 masks yet. Please reserve masks for health care professionals right now. Never said I was going to buy a mask, even if I could find one. I am curious though how the shortage of masks for healthcare workers can’t about? I think there were people in the US that bought some early on, but don’t the healthcare providers have a different supplier than amazon or wherever people were buying them?
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Post by gar on Mar 19, 2020 12:27:35 GMT
The virus isn't just randomly in the air so you only need to avoid breathing in other people's droplets/breathe hence the social distancing. If you wear a mask and someone coughs near you you still get the droplets on your clothes, hands, purse etc and if you then touch your face you may get infected. The mask is for sick people to stop them spreading their breath/germs. Medical people need them because they're in close physical contact with sick people who are more likely to cough on them. Also damp breath renders most masks useless pretty quickly I believe.
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Post by worrywart on Mar 19, 2020 13:15:13 GMT
In a world with a plentiful supply of masks, personally I think that it would also help to protect healthy people from breathing in germs. My DS works for a grocery store and is exposed to air where people have breathed, coughed or sneezed. Good masks can filter like 98% of the stuff in the air.
I've read that droplets can stay suspended for up to 3 hours so theoretically you could be walking down a grocery store aisle thirty minutes after an infected person has sneezed and possibly breath in airborne virus.
This is why I think that IF masks were plentiful right now, it would increase public safety to wear a mask in public. Since that is not an option for most people right now due to supply, you can find websites explaining how to make a mask and what the best filtration materials are.
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Post by tracyarts on Mar 19, 2020 14:15:58 GMT
I have a reusable N99 mask (Cambridge). I bought it this time last year when there was an industrial disaster in my town that led to a Benzene (and other toxic chemical) release.
I used it then but there is still a good amount of filter time left in it. I only go out to necessary medical appointments now, and I'm considering using it for them, given the level of risk factors I have.
DH has a couple of unused disposable N95 masks left from cleaning after a flood. I told him to wear one to the supermarket as he's on immunosuppressant drugs. But he's afraid of "catching shit" from people over it. So what? I told him to take a red marker and write "immunocompromised" on a sticky note and stick it to the mask.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Mar 19, 2020 14:19:45 GMT
I have three girls who are nurses and they don’t have N95 masks yet. Please reserve masks for health care professionals right now. I had some N95 masks that I picked up to wear when cleaning the basement. I gave them to my nurse friends. They said after this is over, they're going to buy cases to store away "for next time".
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Post by pancakes on Mar 19, 2020 14:22:37 GMT
If you’re looking at a lot of Asian countries, they wear and have worn a ton of masks for years. It’s partially that they don’t want to get others sick if they are sick. But many also do believe they will get less sick themselves. And I will say that many older Asians are pretty...superstitious. Not sure if that’s the right word. They do buy into old wives tales but also tend to buy into some misinformation. There’s a big vitamin and supplement culture with many older Asians as well. This is based on my experience as a 1st gen American Asian person.
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 19, 2020 14:27:10 GMT
I have three girls who are nurses and they don’t have N95 masks yet. Please reserve masks for health care professionals right now. Never said I was going to buy a mask, even if I could find one. I am curious though how the shortage of masks for healthcare workers can’t about? I think there were people in the US that bought some early on, but don’t the healthcare providers have a different supplier than amazon or wherever people were buying them? I want to say it is because most of the masks are made in China. And China stopped shipping them when they needed them all for the virus, at the same time people started panic buying them. The WH was begging construction firms to donate masks for healthcare workers.
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Post by johnnysmom on Mar 19, 2020 14:27:15 GMT
I don't know the answer but just wanted to pop in and say I understand what you're asking and why  I believe the pic I saw was from Italy, so not a country known for wearing masks like some areas in Asia.
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Post by sunshine on Mar 19, 2020 14:38:30 GMT
I see videos of people in other countries wearing masks when they are out. I’m watching a video from Italy and the reporter is Saying that people get upset with others if they are in public without masks and gloves. Largely, we have been told that masks don’t work. Have they been told that masks DO work? Or is it just a precaution that makes people feel like they are doing something? Who is getting accurate info? ETA that I am not panicking about needing to get a mask, and am not planning to try to find a mask. I know that there are not enough and am concerned about that with the healthcare providers. So, I don’t need to be chastised about leaving the masks for them. I also know what the cdc is recommending. I am just curious what other governments are recommending and whether or not the use of masks is recommended by the health agencies or if the people have just taken that on themselves. Two years ago January (during the height of flu season and long before this virus) I went to urgent care. My husband and I both decided to wear masks because we felt we'd be more protected from the flu, etc. going into a health care facility with sick people. The nurse that took me asked what I had going on that I was wearing a mask. When I told her nothing, I wasn't sick (I was there for a different issue) she explained to me masks don't work that way, sick people are the ones that should be wearing them. I was really confused, and I still am. So hat's what I was told years ago, and it's the same information being given today.
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Mar 19, 2020 15:14:44 GMT
I had this same question. I read through articles and noticed two things. One is that South Korea has passed them out to everyone. They have a very low rate of infection. Two is that the language per the CDC is very nuanced. It says “at this time” they do not recommend citizens wear them. It does not say they don’t work or don’t help citizens, just that they’re better suited for healthcare professionals. Which is true, they need them every shift. We should be home, so we don’t “need” them. Does that kinda make sense? But now people are equating “we don’t need them” to “they don’t work.” That’s just illogical.
Here’s the deal. Logic and reason says they help everyone, or else the 6-foot mandate wouldn’t make sense and they wouldn’t be rationing them. This is life or death for many people, and I think the gross negligence of our government shouldn’t cause people to shame individuals who wear masks they have on hand because they’re trying to save their life or lives of their loved one. They could have cancer, they could have a suppressed immune system, they could be young and caring for an elderly relative who has health problems. Just stop judging.
People should not be shamed by wearing an N95 mask. Save your shame for those jerks who bought garages full, or the thieves stealing from hospitals.
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Post by myshelly on Mar 19, 2020 15:19:34 GMT
I think it’s a difference in culture.
In other countries, you wear a mask to protect other people in case you are sick. Here, we jump to the conclusion that the mask protects the person wearing it so we all want one and try to hoard them and the CDC has to say “that’s not what those kind of masks are for and the N95 ones need to go fo the drs.”
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 15:34:13 GMT
I’ve read that a reason to wear a mask is that it prevents you from inadvertently touching your nose/mouth thereby reducing your chances of catching anything.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 15:48:54 GMT
I have three girls who are nurses and they don’t have N95 masks yet. Please reserve masks for health care professionals right now. I had some N95 masks that I picked up to wear when cleaning the basement. I gave them to my nurse friends. They said after this is over, they're going to buy cases to store away "for next time". (((Thank you so much!!))) I hope other people are doing the same so our medical professionals are protected.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 15:55:50 GMT
I have three girls who are nurses and they don’t have N95 masks yet. Please reserve masks for health care professionals right now. Never said I was going to buy a mask, even if I could find one. I am curious though how the shortage of masks for healthcare workers can’t about? I think there were people in the US that bought some early on, but don’t the healthcare providers have a different supplier than amazon or wherever people were buying them? I don't think anyone was speaking to you specifically at all, as you certainly didn't say you were looking to buy a mask. Just a general statement to anyone who might be reading, that masks should be for professionals right now - and I'll add, as someone above said, that if anyone has unused N95 masks, please send them to your friendly and grateful medical professionals. I found two unused N95 masks in the basement from a craft project last year, and I have sent them to my daughters, who are still wearing plain surgical masks while treating Covid patients. Thank you all!!
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Post by joelise on Mar 19, 2020 16:16:26 GMT
I was watching a news clip from Paris. One guy was walking into a food shop wearing a mask and stopped to talk to the reporter. Each time he spoke the mask slipped off his nose, whilst replacing his mask back over his nose he touched his nose and face every time! The clip was only a couple of minutes long by which time he’d touched his face about 15 times! He would have been much better protected without a mask!
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Post by hutchfan on Mar 19, 2020 16:16:34 GMT
A local Veterinary Doctor in my area is driving around to any local Veterinary office, Schools, and other businesses that are not using their masks to give to the Doctors, Nurses and Hospitals that need them.
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Post by gar on Mar 19, 2020 16:26:28 GMT
I’ve read that a reason to wear a mask is that it prevents you from inadvertently touching your nose/mouth thereby reducing your chances of catching anything. That may be a temporary reassurance but the masks have to be taken off in a particular way otherwise what you've been avoiding ends up on your face and hands anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 16:32:08 GMT
There's a difference between an N95 respirator mask and the usual " surgical" mask that most people wear in public here. Asian countries are more likely to wear pollution masks mainly not surgical masks. The surgical mask won't protect you from Covid-19. But an N95 will. There's more info to explain why in this Live Science link iamkristinl16
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 17:41:08 GMT
I’ve read that a reason to wear a mask is that it prevents you from inadvertently touching your nose/mouth thereby reducing your chances of catching anything. That may be a temporary reassurance but the masks have to be taken off in a particular way otherwise what you've been avoiding ends up on your face and hands anyway.
True, but it's just one more added line of defense, especially for those who are in the high risk category.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 19, 2020 17:49:52 GMT
I've read that droplets can stay suspended for up to 3 hours so theoretically you could be walking down a grocery store aisle thirty minutes after an infected person has sneezed and possibly breath in airborne virus. if the SICK person was wearing the mask, then the droplets wouldn't get everywhere though!! Everyone really needs to go read gar's boredpanda link and check out the 'mask use' cartoon information. I don't think anyone has really answered the OP's question, which is WHY are the people in ITALY all seen wearing masks? Are the people in ITALY being told something different about healthy / sick people wearing masks than what we're hearing from the CDC??
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