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Post by Skellinton on Mar 30, 2020 14:20:44 GMT
I was talking to some parents this year that are really worried about school next year, because their child is missing so much this year and the online learning is just not an adequate substitute. They are worried if their child will be ready to move on, especially the kids in K and younger primary grades. One mom is convinced her child will have to repeat K, but I don’t think they will do that, do you?
It is heartbreaking that the K kids are missing out of so much school, just because it is such a foundation for future learning, that is for sure, but I tried to remind them that every child is in the same boat. This isn’t like the Thano’s snap where some kids were snapped and some not, all the kids are going to be missing the same amount of school (within their specific district).
I do wonder what next year will look like though, our kids are missing 3 months of school if we don’t go back. That is a huge amount of learning to lose and homeschooling isn’t going to come close to making that up.
What do you think next year will be like? Do you think the teachers will just carry on like they always do regarding curriculum and lessons or do you think they will try to incorporate things that were missed thus delaying what they would normally teach? I think math will take the biggest hit, mostly because it is taught so very differently then the way the parents were taught and if kids don’t have a strong base of concepts they can’t build on it.
Just wondering what you all thought.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Mar 30, 2020 14:27:16 GMT
A hot mess. Virginia closed on March 13th with very little guidance on how to proceed.
So speaking from someone who doesn’t anticipating seeing a child until September—next school year is going to be a hot ass mess.
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Post by paigepea on Mar 30, 2020 14:28:46 GMT
I feel next year can carry on. I think they will need more review / reminders of expectations to start but that the kids will settle by the second month. For my kids it’s 10 weeks of school at home. They are doing enough to get by in the subjects. The teachers are on top of it with clear expectations. They’re doing more than the basics. For little dd gr 6 the goal is more routine over subject but they’re doing the math and the technical writing so I think they’ll be fine to move on. Maybe that’s why i think it will be ok.
Unfortunately everyone’s situation will be different.
Also I’m a high school teacher where i think this type of education can work easier. The kids can get the work done whereas I think it’s different in primary school.
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Post by Skellinton on Mar 30, 2020 14:28:56 GMT
A hot mess. Virginia closed on March 13th with very little guidance on how to proceed. So speaking from someone who doesn’t anticipating seeing a child until September—next school year is going to be a hot ass mess. That is kind of my thought too, but you worded it so much more eloquently then I could have. 😂😂😂
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Post by artbabe on Mar 30, 2020 14:31:58 GMT
We will meet the kids where they are. It just doesn't make any sense to do it any other way.
I have two bachelor degrees and a masters. Honestly, if I missed 3 months of elementary school I don't think it would have affected my life in any way.
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Post by Skellinton on Mar 30, 2020 14:32:06 GMT
I feel next year can carry on. I think they will need more review / reminders of expectations to start but that the kids will settle by the second month. For my kids it’s 10 weeks of school at home. They are doing enough to get by in the subjects. Maybe that’s why i think it will be ok. But, for many kids it won’t be school as usual and even for those that it will be school, it can’t really compare to school as usual. There will be a small percentage that will carry on and won’t miss much, but that is going to a very small amount. Like I would be amazed if it is one child per class that gets an equal education at home.
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Post by Skellinton on Mar 30, 2020 14:34:14 GMT
We will meet the kids where they are. It just doesn't make any sense to do it any other way. I have two bachelor degrees and a masters. Honestly, if I missed 3 months of elementary school I don't think it would have affected my life in any way. Of course in the grand scheme of life it won’t change their college or secondary education, I was just wondering what next year will be like. I worry for the teachers though, kids are going to be even more disparate then they are now, don’t you think?
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Post by Merge on Mar 30, 2020 14:36:17 GMT
I think state tests will be canceled again (or not used for accountability) in order to allow us to meet students where they are.
If school can resume at all in the summer, I think schools will use data from Jan/Feb to determine which students are most at risk and hopefully pull those kids into summer school.
I think most schools will be disinclined to have students repeat entire grades; but rather, will use a combination of intensive review at the beginning of the year and additional pull-outs and resource time for kids who are really struggling.
I think a vocal minority of parents will clamor for schools to skip the summer break entirely and do their 4th quarter in June/July/August, but this will not be feasible for most.
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Post by Merge on Mar 30, 2020 14:39:02 GMT
We will meet the kids where they are. It just doesn't make any sense to do it any other way. I have two bachelor degrees and a masters. Honestly, if I missed 3 months of elementary school I don't think it would have affected my life in any way. Exactly. Even in high school, if exceptions can be made for graduation credits (and I'm sure they will be), most students are not going to have their lives affected by missing the last nine weeks of algebra II. At least in Texas, once spring break was over, many classes were going into hardcore test prep mode (which is basically a review of the year so far) and then very little new material is introduced after the tests anyway.
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Mar 30, 2020 14:42:31 GMT
Parent here, not a teacher, but I’m wondering if we’ll even start in the fall. Vaccine trials won’t even start until then. So there definitely will be no vaccine yet. I’m also imagining summer break when they do eventually return may be shorter and the school year may be a bit longer to make up for lost time. Sort of how multiple snow days can extend the school year.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 15:03:31 GMT
My dh (high school honors accelerated math) does a flipped classroom. So his students are already used to on-line learning as a teaching tool as dh created videos they watch and then discuss along with work.
So he will still give lessons and then they will discuss via zoom and do their work.
I am not worried at all as here (southern Ca) kids will be doing a lot of on line zoom lessons and still be expected to do work. Supplemental learning has also been sent out.
There may be a need for some review at first but kids are resilient and will bounce back and do well
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 30, 2020 15:28:28 GMT
I think state tests will be canceled again (or not used for accountability) in order to allow us to meet students where they are. If school can resume at all in the summer, I think schools will use data from Jan/Feb to determine which students are most at risk and hopefully pull those kids into summer school. I think most schools will be disinclined to have students repeat entire grades; but rather, will use a combination of intensive review at the beginning of the year and additional pull-outs and resource time for kids who are really struggling. I think a vocal minority of parents will clamor for schools to skip the summer break entirely and do their 4th quarter in June/July/August, but this will not be feasible for most. All of this. I work at an elementary school and have 2 high schoolers and a college student. Unfortunately, the kids who were struggling before are the ones that may not be remote learning for a number of reasons. I do think there will be a big gap whenever school starts again. But, teachers are very good at teaching kids of varying abilities and meeting kids where they are. Our high school goes goes through most of June but seniors graduate in the beginning of a June. AP classes don’t usually have a lot of work after the exams. Our high school already canceled final exams. Statewide, we’re not going back until May 4 at the earliest.
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Post by Linda on Mar 30, 2020 15:29:30 GMT
our school super said not to worry, give everyone (teachers, staff, students, parents) grace and compassion, remember that emotional well-being is more important than education, and that the teachers will meet the students where they are when classes resume.
It's going to be different than we're used to but students will end up learning what they need to learn and down the road, it'll be a fond memory of the year we finished up at home/ended early...their kids and grandkids will hear that instead of walking up hill both ways in the snow...
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Post by hmp on Mar 30, 2020 15:57:31 GMT
I’m not a teacher, but I’m wondering if this will push more school systems to year round school. What do all you teachers think? Personally I’d be most concerned about kids coming back after 5-6 months off from school.
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Post by ntsf on Mar 30, 2020 16:05:50 GMT
maybe high speed internet will be seen as a necessary utility and the govt will make sure everyone has access and a laptop (we did rural electrification..it can be done)..
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Post by mrsshampoo on Mar 30, 2020 16:21:51 GMT
I am a parent of a preschooler entering kindergarten next year. I think that the gap in abilities will be even bigger than normal, and the teachers, who already have hard jobs, will have even harder ones. I am hoping that the schools can come up with a plan on how to get the kids who need the remedial help their help, but not hold back students who are continuing to progress at home. I don’t envy teachers or administrators at the moment.
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Post by Merge on Mar 30, 2020 16:31:53 GMT
I’m not a teacher, but I’m wondering if this will push more school systems to year round school. What do all you teachers think? Personally I’d be most concerned about kids coming back after 5-6 months off from school. I think year-round school is a hard sell in parts of the country where the cost of air-conditioning every school through brutally hot summers is prohibitive. Also in parts of the country that may have schools without AC but still have pretty hot summers.
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Post by workingclassdog on Mar 30, 2020 16:33:53 GMT
My feeling they are ALL in the same boat (there will be exceptions of course, parents that are teachers that can take that home with them, smarty pants parents lol.. not me!!) it will work out, I honestly think that it will all come together and be fine.
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Post by bigbundt on Mar 30, 2020 17:36:34 GMT
Not a teacher but I suspect it will be very different from district to district dependent on how proactive they were to a situation like this. I've heard from some friends around the country that their schools are basically doing nothing because they didn't have any elearning protocol in place. The districts are scrambling trying to get something done quickly but it means the teachers are trying to cobble something together for their students. Our school district has been on top of it with a uniform elearning platform already integrated into regular school days for third grade and up. My child is familiar with using it, including the embedded tools like videos. My child's teacher has been updating assignments daily and having zoom meetings three times a week. Feels like my child is still learning and keeping up. I'm sure there might be some regressions but I feel confident she will be fine advancing to the next grade. All students were able to take Chromebooks home and the district has been proactive in getting free internet for those who didn't have it and wifi hotspots set up at the lunch feed sites. They've been utilizing bus drivers to get work packets and Chromebooks to those who couldn't make it to the schools. Been very pleased with the district so far.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 30, 2020 17:42:01 GMT
I’m not a teacher, but I’m wondering if this will push more school systems to year round school. What do all you teachers think? Personally I’d be most concerned about kids coming back after 5-6 months off from school. I think year-round school is a hard sell in parts of the country where the cost of air-conditioning every school through brutally hot summers is prohibitive. Also in parts of the country that may have schools without AC but still have pretty hot summers. But on the flip side of that coin, we still hold school all through the sometimes brutally cold winters up here in the north (MN) and we manage. There might be a few really, really cold days when they close the schools, but it tends to be the exception and not the rule. I’m a parent not a teacher, but I think a lot will depend on the makeup of the individual districts as to how well the schools and kids fare, as well as the kids themselves. My kid was already way above grade level in almost every academic subject at the end of first semester so even if she did nothing but maintained where she is she would be okay to start 5th grade right now. That’s just my one kid though, and we have all kinds of resources at home to help her maintain and even progress in spite of all this. Our district is fairly well funded compared to most and most of the families here are pretty well off and that also makes a huge difference. I think because all of the kids are in the same boat and will be missing the same amount of school, the teachers will meet them where they are just like they always do. There has always a range of ability levels in every class so they are already doing that.
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Post by iteach3rdgrade on Mar 30, 2020 17:43:17 GMT
I’m not a teacher, but I’m wondering if this will push more school systems to year round school. What do all you teachers think? Personally I’d be most concerned about kids coming back after 5-6 months off from school. I think there will be a larger push to use online sources so that teachers/parents are prepared for snow days etc.
I think there will be a huge gap between students. Testing scores will definitely be affected next year.
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Post by honeyb on Mar 30, 2020 17:46:42 GMT
I read something recently about the students affected by Hurricane Katrina in 2005. It said that despite the major interruption in their academic lives, they still grew uptown be Doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc.
Point being that some kids have been through this before and made it out the other side.
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Post by Skellinton on Mar 30, 2020 18:10:06 GMT
They did start a process to see how year round schools would go in our school district about 10 years ago. It never went past the first meeting. All the parents and teachers were against it at the school where our meeting was held, I was the only one for it. I did hear at other schools special ed teachers were proponents of it, but for the most part the overwhelming response was negative, such a shame because it would be so much better.
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Post by ddly on Mar 30, 2020 19:58:23 GMT
We'll have to meet students where they are at. I work in high school and students won't be held back or expected to repeat courses. We have some seniors that are in extra classes to qualify for sports, you need to be enrolled full time to play, and they are dropping the extra classes. They are making sure the seniors are still set to graduate but for some of them, this is a struggle so one less class is helpful. It's really just a handful of students. We have other graduation requirements like community service hours and senior presentation, but those will be waived as long as the school board okays it. No one feels good about not allowing a senior to graduate because they couldn't get those community service hours in this climate.
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Mar 30, 2020 20:32:56 GMT
Some of my friends on the MS Gulf Coast have posted reminders that they lost months in 2005, and those kids have all made it though high school and into college (or into real life) without noticeable deficiencies.
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Post by Merge on Mar 30, 2020 20:34:15 GMT
I think year-round school is a hard sell in parts of the country where the cost of air-conditioning every school through brutally hot summers is prohibitive. Also in parts of the country that may have schools without AC but still have pretty hot summers. But on the flip side of that coin, we still hold school all through the sometimes brutally cold winters up here in the north (MN) and we manage. There might be a few really, really cold days when they close the schools, but it tends to be the exception and not the rule. I’m a parent not a teacher, but I think a lot will depend on the makeup of the individual districts as to how well the schools and kids fare, as well as the kids themselves. My kid was already way above grade level in almost every academic subject at the end of first semester so even if she did nothing but maintained where she is she would be okay to start 5th grade right now. That’s just my one kid though, and we have all kinds of resources at home to help her maintain and even progress in spite of all this. Our district is fairly well funded compared to most and most of the families here are pretty well off and that also makes a huge difference. I think because all of the kids are in the same boat and will be missing the same amount of school, the teachers will meet them where they are just like they always do. There has always a range of ability levels in every class so they are already doing that. The thing is that our brutal summers are not sometimes. It's every year, without fail, from May-October. Having 12 weeks off during that time saves millions if it's a large district. Personally, I'd love to go to a balanced schedule where we had some time off in the spring and fall when it's nicer to be outside here. But the expense of air conditioning is always brought up as a primary reason why we can't.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 30, 2020 20:52:57 GMT
But on the flip side of that coin, we still hold school all through the sometimes brutally cold winters up here in the north (MN) and we manage. There might be a few really, really cold days when they close the schools, but it tends to be the exception and not the rule. I’m a parent not a teacher, but I think a lot will depend on the makeup of the individual districts as to how well the schools and kids fare, as well as the kids themselves. My kid was already way above grade level in almost every academic subject at the end of first semester so even if she did nothing but maintained where she is she would be okay to start 5th grade right now. That’s just my one kid though, and we have all kinds of resources at home to help her maintain and even progress in spite of all this. Our district is fairly well funded compared to most and most of the families here are pretty well off and that also makes a huge difference. I think because all of the kids are in the same boat and will be missing the same amount of school, the teachers will meet them where they are just like they always do. There has always a range of ability levels in every class so they are already doing that. The thing is that our brutal summers are not sometimes. It's every year, without fail, from May-October. Having 12 weeks off during that time saves millions if it's a large district. Personally, I'd love to go to a balanced schedule where we had some time off in the spring and fall when it's nicer to be outside here. But the expense of air conditioning is always brought up as a primary reason why we can't. Well, the winters are always cold *enough* that the buildings have to be heated the whole time, which was my point. Sometimes it’s cold enough to be *closed* but we don’t ever have the option of not turning on the heat and that’s typically from October through May which is most of the school year.
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Post by scrappinmama on Mar 30, 2020 20:56:44 GMT
I'm not a teacher, but I can tell you what it's like as a parent of a high schooler. I just had an amended IEP meeting for my son via Zoom. They are anticipating regression across the board, even with gen ed students. For high school, they are letting 3rd quarter grades be the final grade because they are concerned that students are going to struggle to finish the year. They will let students work to improve their grade for the remainder of the school year. Then next year they will pick up the pieces for everyone who regressed. I live in an affluent community. Kids have most of what they need and then some. That will definitely help. I worry about school districts that serve low income students.
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Post by 950nancy on Mar 30, 2020 21:41:55 GMT
Parent here, not a teacher, but I’m wondering if we’ll even start in the fall. Vaccine trials won’t even start until then. So there definitely will be no vaccine yet. I’m also imagining summer break when they do eventually return may be shorter and the school year may be a bit longer to make up for lost time. Sort of how multiple snow days can extend the school year. I don't know where the schools will come up with the extra money to pay for additional days. It makes sense, but I don't think schools could do it fiscally.
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Post by monklady123 on Mar 30, 2020 21:46:32 GMT
Since I detest the state standardized tests I'm hoping that they'll cancel them next year also. If that happens then I wouldn't be worried about where the kids are when (if?) they start school in September. The teachers will just take them where they are and move on from there. So for example, if the 3rd grade math curriculum says that the children will learn to reduce fractions, but the kids didn't learn much about fractions this year then the 3rd grade teachers will just start with the 2nd grade fractions stuff. If the standardized tests are canceled then it won't matter anyway.
My concern is for the kids weren't fluent in English. The school where I sub has many of them, mostly from Spanish-speaking countries, but also a large number from other countries such as Mongolia, and several in North Africa. If these kids (especially the younger ones) do not have parents who speak English at home then they are going to regress and lose what little English they've learned. If they're lucky they'll have older siblings who have been in the school system for several years already and who will speak English with them. Some parents may think to do that -- and I know our school parent liaison is working with them -- but these families are also under a lot of stress because of loss of income since so many of them work two and three entry-level type jobs, or work as child-care or house cleaners.
As a sub, I honestly don't know what next year will look like. In fact, I'm going to email one of my favorite teachers and see what she has to say.
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