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Post by Scrappea on Apr 9, 2020 1:37:43 GMT
Maybe there's already a thread about this, I apologize if so. I want to talk about "when" do you think we'll get to a point of being able to go back into stores "normally" (I realize there's going to be a "new normal")? Anybody want to make predictions, estimates, or wild guesses? Basically I just need some hope. I just want to do something simple, like walk in a mall again.
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Post by christine58 on Apr 9, 2020 1:38:59 GMT
I think "when" is going to be dependent on "where" you live.
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Post by KikiPea on Apr 9, 2020 1:41:34 GMT
I’m in TX, and I would say absolutely no earlier than the end of May,
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 9, 2020 1:46:04 GMT
WE need to be prepared if he does it too soon. One case out there could cause a major repeat to this all. We are all inside, what happens when we go out!
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Post by idahomom on Apr 9, 2020 1:48:11 GMT
In Idaho we haven't even peaked yet. There is already talk about college fall semester being online as well. My daughter is failing chemistry right now online. It was hard enough with the professor available. Now not so much. I doubt she'll enroll for fall if it's online. It's no one's fault, but she's not getting the education we're paying for right now.
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Post by breetheflea on Apr 9, 2020 1:50:53 GMT
I don’t know but I’m already tired of the puzzle that grocery shopping has become and it’s only been 26 days... if that part was easier/normal I’d almost not mind being quarantined.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 9, 2020 1:51:42 GMT
I was talking to a doctor the other day and he said he doesn't think much will change until we have adequate testing and antibody testing for all. He said that the hospital here doesn't even have all of the chemicals needed to test at this time and no idea when they will have more.
I was watching CNN or MSNBC earlier and they showed clips from Fox News and it seems that they are going back to the "It's not a big deal" message. Speculation that they, Trump and business owners might push to open things up sooner than they should to get the economy going. I hope that doesn't happen.
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Post by pjaye on Apr 9, 2020 1:54:27 GMT
Well if Trump has his way the Americans will "get back to normal" before the rest of the world and the result will be many more infections and deaths than other countries.
This is going to be long term, no vaccine for probably 12 months at the earliest. So while there are people infected and the vast majority have no immunity as soon as the restrictions are relaxed, infections and deaths will rise again. This is not a short term thing.
I think tough restrictions will end up being in place for at least 6 months and then there will still be limits on groups/gatherings etc for probably 12 months and then a gradual return to normal once there's a vaccine - or when at least 60% of the population have had the virus.
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Apr 9, 2020 1:58:00 GMT
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Post by cindyupnorth on Apr 9, 2020 1:58:00 GMT
They are saying June here for us.
Kristen, I don't know why that Dr said that to you. They are having shorter turn around with private labs doing the tests now that are getting quick results. Sure they aren't testing every single person that is sick, but they never will.
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Post by katlady on Apr 9, 2020 1:58:16 GMT
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Post by Linda on Apr 9, 2020 1:59:34 GMT
I suspect that we'll have a series of lockdowns/releases until we either have a vaccine or enough people have caught it to provide herd immunity.
I would be surprised if life if back to normal before the fall at the earliest
social isolation/lockdowns help prevent the huge influx of cases all at once that overwhelm hospitals but flattening the curve means that the outbreak takes longer
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Post by flanz on Apr 9, 2020 2:00:25 GMT
I really expect this level of disruption for 12-18 months. Definitely not rushing out to go back to any semblance of "normal" as soon as we get the word to...
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Apr 9, 2020 2:01:12 GMT
Post by Scrappea on Apr 9, 2020 2:01:12 GMT
I had not seen that link. Thank you for sharing!
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Post by muggins on Apr 9, 2020 2:01:20 GMT
I don’t know but I’m already tired of the puzzle that grocery shopping has become and it’s only been 26 days... if that part was easier/normal I’d almost not mind being quarantined. Grocery stores in my area are doing their utmost to accommodate everyone with deliveries, kerbside pick up and limiting customers in store. They’ve started one way aisles, sanitising the carts, and screens at the check out. I’m thankful they are still open and stocked.
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Post by Scrappea on Apr 9, 2020 2:04:09 GMT
I really expect this level of disruption for 12-18 months. Definitely not rushing out to go back to any semblance of "normal" as soon as we get the word to... Aboslutely flanz! I suspect I'll be too afraid to get out as soon as we can. I will take a wait and see approach. I don't have the greatest immune system. Perhaps I just need some possible dates (I know no one can tell us that, its all conjecture) so I don't lose hope. I suffer from depression, so hopelessness is a big deal with me.
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Post by lisae on Apr 9, 2020 2:12:00 GMT
Normal won't be for another year or more.
I think we will start to reverse order the shut downs in early summer with a return to more stores being open, hair salons and some other businesses with significant restrictions.
What I can't see is how to get restaurants open again without a treatment or vaccine and these businesses are key to the economy. Everything builds on everything else. Do you want to shop for new clothes if you can't go out, aren't traveling and if you are working from home?
I do think we are learning more about how we can do things with distancing. We will know more as countries who had a surge before us start to come out of their peaks.
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Apr 9, 2020 2:28:53 GMT
Post by Scrappea on Apr 9, 2020 2:28:53 GMT
Do you want to shop for new clothes if you can't go out, aren't traveling and if you are working from home? I'm not really interested in what the store sells. I just want to walk a store again in a normal(ish) manner. Not having to be sent in based on how many people are in there or use curbside (for the record, I'm not visiting to ANY stores for enjoyment - we've been good on groceries for a couple of weeks).
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Apr 9, 2020 2:48:31 GMT
All I know is that my office is scheduled to work from home through at least May 22. So, for me, not before then.
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Apr 9, 2020 4:27:12 GMT
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Post by Why on Apr 9, 2020 4:27:12 GMT
I really expect this level of disruption for 12-18 months. Definitely not rushing out to go back to any semblance of "normal" as soon as we get the word to... ...................................
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Post by stittsygirl on Apr 9, 2020 4:33:49 GMT
I thought this was a good article, interviewing a Harvard epidemiologist. He goes into all the different factors that could determine when we’ll see a semblance of normalcy again. USA Today
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Post by mikklynn on Apr 9, 2020 13:27:14 GMT
I thought this was a good article, interviewing a Harvard epidemiologist. He goes into all the different factors that could determine when we’ll see a semblance of normalcy again. USA TodayThat is an excellent article. Thanks for posting it. What he says is pretty much what Dr Michael Osterholm from the U of M here says. These are the people to listen to.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 9, 2020 13:32:40 GMT
They are saying June here for us. Kristen, I don't know why that Dr said that to you. They are having shorter turn around with private labs doing the tests now that are getting quick results. Sure they aren't testing every single person that is sick, but they never will. I have had two different doctors tell me that they don't have adequate testing materials. Actually, three if you count the person that I talked to over telehealth, but the other two work at the hospital. The one said that they specifically do not have one of the chemicals needed to conduct the test. I don't remember what the name of it is.
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Post by gar on Apr 9, 2020 13:34:45 GMT
Sorry, off topic but is the OP’s avatar the same as papercrafteradvocate? On topic - in the UK people are starting to want more info. Our initial 3 weeks is almost up but I don’t think for one minute restrictions are about to be lifted. I think we may just be beginning to see the benefits of the lockdown so they’ll be desperate to bed that in I’m sure. So...I don’t know! Maybe some slight easing of restrictions by the middle of May? But until we see an exit strategy I can’t quite picture how we gradually work our way back to normal, not until there’s a vaccine anyway and that’s a way off for sure.
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Apr 9, 2020 13:46:57 GMT
Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 9, 2020 13:46:57 GMT
Normal won't be for another year or more. I think we will start to reverse order the shut downs in early summer with a return to more stores being open, hair salons and some other businesses with significant restrictions. What I can't see is how to get restaurants open again without a treatment or vaccine and these businesses are key to the economy. Everything builds on everything else. Do you want to shop for new clothes if you can't go out, aren't traveling and if you are working from home? I do think we are learning more about how we can do things with distancing. We will know more as countries who had a surge before us start to come out of their peaks. I agree. The effects on all industries is huge. I have had the thought several times that I don't want to buy new clothes (even online) because when will I wear them? I have been thinking that I should just take 90% of my clothes out of my closet and get the spring casual clothes out. I'm wearing more casual clothes now and just want to see what options I have rather than my eyes being drawn to the other clothes. I might be interested in buying more casual clothes for spring/summer in the near future, though. Have to see what I have first.
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Post by johnnysmom on Apr 9, 2020 15:44:59 GMT
*puts on rose colored glasses and big girl panties*
I think we'll start to see things reopen sometime in May. Gradually.
No, this won't be over as there won't be a vaccine for well over a year (at best) but the goal of "flatten the curve" wasn't to wait for a vaccine or cure but rather to protect the healthcare system from having to make the difficult decisions of which person to save...person A or person B. The "peak" is/was when our healthcare system would be the most strained and the models I've seen are saying that day is near (or in some cases, passed). Add to that that places on the west coast are starting to take down popup hospitals and sending ventilators to other states, that shows that they're starting to feel confident in their ability to handle new cases with what they have available.
The key will be to try and prevent a second wave. We need to maintain higher levels of sanitizing and social distancing. At the grocery store yesterday they were sanitizing all the shopping carts and going around wiping all the touch points (like the freezer doors), why hasn't that been happening all along? It needs to continue. I think there are some good practices to come out of this and those should continue. I also think there will be stricter limits on crowded places and even places like restaurants. Additionally, Disney has said they are considering implementing temperature screenings at their theme parks whenever they reopen; I wouldn't be surprised to see that at airports and other places.
All that said, older and high risk people need to be extra cautious for quite some time. Doctors and clinics need to have the equipment to run tests just as quickly as they can for strep or the flu. People still need to take it seriously and stay home at the first sign of illness, no more going to work because they're out of sick time.....hopefully all this time forced to work from home will show employers that it's beneficial to let employees work from home when they're just a little sick instead of exposing everyone.
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Apr 9, 2020 16:04:33 GMT
Well now I had to check. They are similar but PCA has a gray bandana, and a gray polka dotted background, and thinner gray rimmed glasses.
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Post by refugeepea on Apr 9, 2020 16:09:07 GMT
I can still get a tattoo and a haircut if I want. Definition of "essential" is kind of sketchy here.
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Post by ~summer~ on Apr 9, 2020 16:19:54 GMT
I’ve been saying Memorial Day for the beginning of *some* things opening.
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Post by gar on Apr 9, 2020 16:22:57 GMT
Well now I had to check. They are similar but PCA has a gray bandana, and a gray polka dotted background, and thinner gray rimmed glasses. 😊 i was hoping she’d post so I could see them almost together but you did it for me 👍
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Post by beepdave on Apr 9, 2020 16:35:04 GMT
Not that I want this, but I honestly think after the 4th of July. I feel like we'll be "released" too soon and there will be another wave because of vacations and gatherings. I'm not normally a Debbie Downer, but this is how I'm feeling now. I'm in Michigan, by the way (on the west side, 3 hours from the hotbed of our cases.)
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