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Post by jubejubes on Apr 13, 2020 14:58:58 GMT
You would put your 90 year old mother in a group of people during a time where models are showing some States might still be dealing with deaths from this??? And that's the best case scenario if we all stay at home through at least May. I admit it depends... in our case, we're self isolating. So we haven't been exposed to it, which would mean we can't give it to anyone. I would limit attendees to people who have also done that, and I'd keep the group small, and have it in a location where you can stay feet apart. At least in British Columbia, they are talking that we will be ok for July. Admittedly, I am also a fatalist who believes that it doesn't really matter - you can take all the risks you want & if it isn't your time, you'll be fine. And you can take all the precautions in the world, and when it is the time God has chosen for you to go, you're going. In Toronto, there are no permits for any kind of public gathering until end of August, for now. That means that the Toronto Pride Parade (largest in North America) at the end of June and the Caribbean Festival (1st weekend in August) and this is the largest Caribbean festival outside of any Caribbean Island in the world has been cancelled. sueg mentioned that Germany may cancel Oktoberfest this fall. Not worth the risk of a chance of a human life becoming ill or death. Not worth the risk at all. YOU may be a fatalist but please be respectful of the people who do not share your point of view. God gave people free-will, and a brain to use to determine the what the consequences of YOUR action may have on other people. Don't be so selfish. |
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Post by silverlining on Apr 13, 2020 14:59:18 GMT
Even if everyone is self-isolating now, some of the guests will need to be on an airplane to get to the party, right? I wouldn't take that risk with a 90-year old.
It seems so odd to plan an EARLY birthday party in this situation.
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Post by cmpeter on Apr 13, 2020 16:07:39 GMT
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Post by cycworker on Apr 13, 2020 17:27:39 GMT
jubejubes - I'm following the rules. I'll always follow the rules, both because my job & my living situation requires it of me, and because I'm legitimately a rule follower. And even if I were willing to be reckless - which I'm not - the things I want to do aren't up to me. Can't go to a soccer game if there's no soccer, or if the border is shut down. If anything my point is Sept 2020 could be safer than Feb 2021. That said, between my hope that Trump will be turfed in November, and the knowledge we've gain from this outbreak, my hope is any second wave is kept to a minimum / immediately contained so life can stay more normal.
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Post by sassyangel on Apr 13, 2020 17:38:31 GMT
We had a trip planned to Australia in November. Pretty sure that’s off, even if this country is “open”, Australia is playing it safe, and will likely still be under international travel restrictions even then.
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Post by TXMary on Apr 13, 2020 17:41:15 GMT
No way would I make those plans.
We have a trip to Ireland/Scotland with friends that has been planned for a long time. We are going late August/early September. None of us believe that this trip will happen. We are going to wait and let the tour company cancel because if we do now we won't get a refund. I certainly wouldn't be booking anything new at this point.
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Post by Peal on Apr 13, 2020 17:41:34 GMT
My BIL is going ahead with his family reunion plans for July. They've tacked on a memorial for MIL the day before. July is still a way off, we'll see what changes. I wasn't going to the reunion anyway, so it doesn't matter to me when he plans it.
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Post by sassyangel on Apr 13, 2020 17:46:31 GMT
I will be the naysayer & say I think you are being overly cautious. Me too....I say plan it and see. My cousins reset their wedding for Halloween. As a friend said to me yesterday.."there's precaution and then there's paranoia" Are you implying that people urging caution in this very thread are paranoid? |
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Post by christine58 on Apr 13, 2020 17:50:27 GMT
Are you implying that people urging caution in this very thread are paranoid? Maybe not this specific thread but do I think there are people within the many threads on this board who appear that way. |
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Post by SockMonkey on Apr 13, 2020 18:12:46 GMT
Are you implying that people urging caution in this very thread are paranoid? Maybe not this specific thread but do I think there are people within the many threads on this board who appear that way. One tends to feel it a little more acutely when you know someone who has suffered from the virus or had a loved one suffer or pass. I'd rather err on the side of paranoia than tell my colleague who lost two family members to COVID-19 last week to calm down or not to be "paranoid." |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Apr 13, 2020 18:21:40 GMT
Well how bored are you and how much do you/your sister enjoy planning a party that might never happen? My daughter has spent a ton of time with her BFF planning an elaborate graduation party for this summer that is most likely not going to happen. She knows that the chance the restrictions on gatherings being lifted is slim. But she's bored, and it gives her something to do while limping through her senior year. And an excuse to talk to her friend about something other than the pandemic - and tiktoks. We're not booking anything non-refundable - and frankly as 99% of travel right now is fully refundable or at least transferable, I'm not sure the risk is that huge for the birthday party travel.
I went ahead and booked tickets/hotel for summer sectionals (swim meet in a different state) as well - if it doesn't happen we'll use the southwest credit eventually and the hotel is refundable up to 48 hours ahead. I bought tickets to drop my daughter off at college in the fall too - I guess I'm a closet optimist - or really, see very little downside if you have to change the plans.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 13, 2020 18:26:50 GMT
I will be the naysayer & say I think you are being overly cautious. You would put your 90 year old mother in a group of people during a time where models are showing some States might still be dealing with deaths from this??? And that's the best case scenario if we all stay at home through at least May. Here’s what I don’t understand about this reasoning. If I live to be 90 (which I frankly have no desire to do), I wouldn’t want to not see my family in exchange for my health. Like, I’m already 90, I’ll take my chances, who cares 🤷🏻♀️ |
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Post by msliz on Apr 13, 2020 18:33:07 GMT
Colleges are talking about possibly being back to normal for the spring 2021 semester. We'll still be dealing with this mess in the fall.
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Post by snugglebutter on Apr 13, 2020 18:38:58 GMT
Even if everyone is self-isolating now, some of the guests will need to be on an airplane to get to the party, right? I wouldn't take that risk with a 90-year old. It seems so odd to plan an EARLY birthday party in this situation. I totally agree with all of this. What is the rush? |
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Post by bethany102399 on Apr 13, 2020 18:44:21 GMT
The BBC live feed noted that an EU official said the elderly may need to be isolated until 2021, info I didn't share with my mum. I have been reflecting lately that I am really glad my mom doesn't have to live through this right now. Had she lived, she would have moved into a senior apartment, which she would have hated, and to be confined there unable to see me or the grandchildren would have been so very difficult for her. I don't blame you for not sharing it with your mum. OP, would anyone take joy in pulling together the plans for the party? Meaning is this a way to stave off some anxiety for someone? I know NOT having plans for the future is incredibly stressful to me. We had a trip set for the end of May/beginning of June to Florida which I moved to August right before school starts. Will be be able to make that date? We'll know when we get closer, but the ACT of making the plans (now to be fair I'm talking about not much money, and we can get it back or push to a later date) was very much a stress relief to me. Maybe your sister is trying to reduce her own anxiety by making these plans. Just a thought. |
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Post by tracylynn on Apr 13, 2020 18:44:23 GMT
You would put your 90 year old mother in a group of people during a time where models are showing some States might still be dealing with deaths from this??? And that's the best case scenario if we all stay at home through at least May. Here’s what I don’t understand about this reasoning. If I live to be 90 (which I frankly have no desire to do), I wouldn’t want to not see my family in exchange for my health. Like, I’m already 90, I’ll take my chances, who cares 🤷🏻♀️ You might feel that way, but maybe this person doesn't. From all accounts dying from Covid isn't that pleasant, besides the fact that we're hearing about all these stories of older people who are actually dying alone because of restricted visitors. So, dying by essentially drowning (lungs filling with liquid/pneumonia) and dying alone. I think taking chances in this situation is quite frankly, stupid. And to assume people that age are willing to take those chances is beyond ridiculous. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 13, 2020 18:47:05 GMT
You would put your 90 year old mother in a group of people during a time where models are showing some States might still be dealing with deaths from this??? And that's the best case scenario if we all stay at home through at least May. I admit it depends... in our case, we're self isolating. So we haven't been exposed to it, which would mean we can't give it to anyone. I would limit attendees to people who have also done that, and I'd keep the group small, and have it in a location where you can stay feet apart. At least in British Columbia, they are talking that we will be ok for July. Admittedly, I am also a fatalist who believes that it doesn't really matter - you can take all the risks you want & if it isn't your time, you'll be fine. And you can take all the precautions in the world, and when it is the time God has chosen for you to go, you're going. BUT, she said they would be coming from all over the US and the virus is making its way across the country in waves. It’s highly likely that while some areas might be past the peak at that point, other areas will still be dealing with it. And how are all these people going to get to the reunion/party? If anyone is traveling via mass transit (air, train, etc.) they’re then dragging all of the germs from everybody else on that plane/airport or train/station along for the ride too. When I think about how these poor corona patients are dying, isolated and alone hooked up to a vent, if my mom was still alive I would do everything in my power to prevent her from even the possibility of dying that way. It’s just not worth it when there are other options. Honestly, my vote would be a resounding NOPE. |
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Post by hop2 on Apr 13, 2020 18:48:46 GMT
Family gatherings can be pin pointed as the start of the New Rochelle cluster that started the N.Y. problem with this virus.
Family gatherings can also be pointed to in 3 separate examples of multiple members of family dying to covid.
Even if they get a 15 min fast test that everyone could take some of you still have to fly, which in itself is a risk.
This is a risk you all need to talk about, including your mom, you can’t surprise someone with a bunch of people until there is a vaccine. In fact I’m not sure I’d surprise someone with a large group of people ever again, I think that’s something people are going to need to consent to from now on. Meaning they need to know so they can make the choice about accepting the risks.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 13, 2020 18:52:54 GMT
Here’s what I don’t understand about this reasoning. If I live to be 90 (which I frankly have no desire to do), I wouldn’t want to not see my family in exchange for my health. Like, I’m already 90, I’ll take my chances, who cares 🤷🏻♀️ You might feel that way, but maybe this person doesn't. From all accounts dying from Covid isn't that pleasant, besides the fact that we're hearing about all these stories of older people who are actually dying alone because of restricted visitors. So, dying by essentially drowning (lungs filling with liquid/pneumonia) and dying alone. I think taking chances in this situation is quite frankly, stupid. And to assume people that age are willing to take those chances is beyond ridiculous. Not everyone has to have the same reasoning. I’m just saying what I would do. If the 90 year old was ok with it, I’d go. |
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Post by scrapngranny on Apr 13, 2020 19:29:09 GMT
Since we have no idea what things will look like in September, it would be risky to plan something you may have to cancel. It could be up in the air until the last moment.
I wouldn’t plan on something like that at this time
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Post by Baseballmom23 on Apr 13, 2020 20:02:53 GMT
Colleges are talking about possibly being back to normal for the spring 2021 semester. We'll still be dealing with this mess in the fall. We live close enough to DS college. He briefly mentioned that he might become a commuter student if things don't change by the time school starts in August. I think it would be good to continue with online education through the Fall |
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Post by Mary Kay Lady on Apr 15, 2020 2:32:24 GMT
Even if everyone is self-isolating now, some of the guests will need to be on an airplane to get to the party, right? I wouldn't take that risk with a 90-year old. It seems so odd to plan an EARLY birthday party in this situation. I totally agree with all of this. What is the rush? It's my sister. She likes to stir up drama. She LOVES drama. I'm thinking that May or June of 2021 would be better. We can book the venue hopefully this summer and then make the additional plans after the first of next year. I just wanted to know what others thought about this situation. My mom is high risk due to her age, and I'm high risk due to being diabetic. I love my mom and would enjoy participating in a family reunion, but not enough to risk her life or mine. |
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Post by PLurker on Apr 15, 2020 4:23:02 GMT
US may have to keep social distancing until 2022, scientists predictUgh! My DD just sent me this link, because "I just got really sad because I realized I don’t know when I will get to see my mommy next" Have to admit it brought tears to my eyes. I think it's possible we may be in this for the long haul unless they get a vaccine or workable treatment.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 4:23:41 GMT
Maybe she just needs something happy to occupy her time and mind?
The world could be very different by September. I wouldn’t say yes or no right now.
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Post by prapea on Apr 15, 2020 5:14:45 GMT
Forget the pandemic for a second, why would you celebrate a birthday 5 months ahead?
Is your sister worried that your mom won’t be around to celebrate her birthday? Is everyone ok with celebrating it five months in advance?
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Post by PEAcan pie on Apr 15, 2020 5:22:43 GMT
I would not plan anything for at least 18 months. I would wait until a year from now then see where we are at. Unless, by some miracle we get a vaccine.
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Post by Mary Kay Lady on Apr 15, 2020 22:45:58 GMT
Maybe she just needs something happy to occupy her time and mind? The world could be very different by September. I wouldn’t say yes or no right now. Perhaps. She's a project manager and seems to be approaching this as a project. She wants to delegate some of it to me. |
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Post by Mary Kay Lady on Apr 15, 2020 22:55:07 GMT
Forget the pandemic for a second, why would you celebrate a birthday 5 months ahead? Is your sister worried that your mom won’t be around to celebrate her birthday? Is everyone ok with celebrating it five months in advance? My mom lives in the Denver, Colorado metropolitan area. Her birthday is in February and usually it's cold and snowy at that time. I think the line of thinking is that the weather would be a challenge and more people would be more likely to come if it were in a more temperate time of year. Plus, great grandchildren would be unable to come, and thus their parents (the grandchildren) if it were during the school year. For being 90 years old my mom is amazingly healthy. She drives, participates in a couple of book clubs and Bible studies, is active in her church and is even a member of the HOA for her townhouse community. Her health isn't a consideration at this point. |
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Post by Laurie on Apr 15, 2020 23:14:48 GMT
Sp why are you bothering to self isolate? I'm confused. I would not plan anything for the rest of this year, at least. Because right now, it's the law. Provincial mandate; stay home as much as possible. Nothing's open. My family didn't want to have Easter. Im in a funk today, so,it's best not to take too seriously. I just wanted to say that I’m sorry you are ima funk today.  I hope tomorrow is better for you. |
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