psiluvu
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Post by psiluvu on Apr 13, 2020 20:48:10 GMT
And once again, I am glad to live in a country where the state and federal governments are working TOGETHER to determine when restrictions will be lifted. Oh, and where our head of government is a scientist, who is dealing in facts and listening to the national medical advisors.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 21:04:01 GMT
trump is pushing to re-opening the economy in the country. He has this panel which is full business people.
Gavin Newsom hinted that the West Coast states have a plan to re-open the economy in Washington, Oregon, & California.
This is what he said.
From Happening in Sonoma County...
”Governor Gavin Newsom announced on Monday a plan to work together with Washington and Oregon on a joint West Coast approach to reopening the states' economies. The "Western States Pact" will be guided by facts, evidence and science." Newsom also stressed that it is still far too early to consider relaxing social distancing protocols across the state. More details will be available on Tuesday.
My question, who would trust to make the decision for the best time to restart the economy? The Governors of Washington, Oregon, & California or trump’s panel of only business folks?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 21:05:53 GMT
The problem is that Trump has no real idea of how the government is supposed to work. He views the presidency more like a monarchy: he is our all powerful king, and he doles out federal funds and favors to those who kiss his ring. Please don't compare a Monarchy with anything that Trump is doing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 21:21:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 21:23:15 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 13, 2020 21:38:02 GMT
Well why should he have EXPERTS?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 13, 2020 21:42:20 GMT
trump is pushing to re-opening the economy in the country. He has this panel which is full business people. NOT even!! See above ^^^^^^^^^^^^
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PLurker
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Post by PLurker on Apr 13, 2020 21:45:07 GMT
So he wanted to leave it up to the states to deal with everything, but now opening back up is a federal decision? How does that make any sense at all? because trump. aka it doesn't
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Post by myshelly on Apr 13, 2020 21:46:42 GMT
The problem is that Trump has no real idea of how the government is supposed to work. He views the presidency more like a monarchy: he is our all powerful king, and he doles out federal funds and favors to those who kiss his ring. Please don't compare a Monarchy with anything that Trump is doing. There’s a huge difference between an actual monarchy and the government you have today. The post you quoted isn’t inaccurate about a monarchy.
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Just T
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Post by Just T on Apr 13, 2020 21:50:02 GMT
We’re saved, y’all. What could possibly go wrong here? O. M. F. G.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 0:21:32 GMT
Please don't compare a Monarchy with anything that Trump is doing. There’s a huge difference between an actual monarchy and the government you have today. The post you quoted isn’t inaccurate about a monarchy. I disagree, there isn't any difference at all. A monarchy is a monarchy. Our government is the Queen's government. Parliament is made up of the House of Commons, House of Lords and the Monarch. After a general election the Queen invites the leader of the party that has won the most seats in the House of Commons to become her Prime Minister and to form a government. And no, the Queen as a Monarch does not act in any way that can be compared to Trump.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 14, 2020 0:31:03 GMT
There’s a huge difference between an actual monarchy and the government you have today. The post you quoted isn’t inaccurate about a monarchy. I disagree, there isn't any difference at all. A monarchy is a monarchy. Our government is the Queen's government. Parliament is made up of the House of Commons, House of Lords and the Monarch. After a general election the Queen invites the leader of the party that has won the most seats in the House of Commons to become her Prime Minister and to form a government. And no, the Queen as a Monarch does not act in any way that can be compared to Trump. You’re being purposely obtuse, there’s no point talking to you. There was a reason we rebelled from a shitty monarchy in the first place.
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jayfab
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Post by jayfab on Apr 14, 2020 0:34:29 GMT
We’re saved, y’all. What could possibly go wrong here? Good grief!
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zella
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Post by zella on Apr 14, 2020 0:37:04 GMT
”For the purpose of creating conflict and confusion, some in the Fake News Media are saying that it is the Governors decision to open up the states, not that of the President of the United States & the Federal Government. Let it be fully understood that this is incorrect....” ”It is the decision of the President, and for many good reasons. Hmmm...but it was the governors' decisions, not his, as to whether or not to issue stay at home orders for each state. Interesting... Yeah, exactly what I was going to say. I wish the stupid little fucking twatbucket would just die (and I don't say that lightly). You know, like tens of thousands of Americans have. If there was ANY justice in the world, he'd be among those numbers, because yes, he's trying to kill us all through his incompetence, narcissism and greed.
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zella
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Post by zella on Apr 14, 2020 0:49:52 GMT
There’s a huge difference between an actual monarchy and the government you have today. The post you quoted isn’t inaccurate about a monarchy. I disagree, there isn't any difference at all. A monarchy is a monarchy. Our government is the Queen's government. Parliament is made up of the House of Commons, House of Lords and the Monarch. After a general election the Queen invites the leader of the party that has won the most seats in the House of Commons to become her Prime Minister and to form a government. And no, the Queen as a Monarch does not act in any way that can be compared to Trump. The Queen is a figurehead, nothing more. When's the last time she went against the vote? Oh, yeah, right, never. I have nothing against her, but she has zero power. As for The House of Lords, I think it's appalling (and yes, I'm British). Don't get me started. It shouldn't exist. It just helps to keep the concept of "class" alive, and its time is done. Over. We are all equal. We are just people. But no, the Douchewaffle in the White House is nothing like any of the European monarchs (I don't know enough about others around the world to say). But yes, he does think he's a king along the lines of, say, Henry VIII (ooh, that's a good comparison) or Louis XIV, back when they DID have ultimate power. THAT'S the kind of monarchy he imagines he's living in judging from his words and actions.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 1:26:36 GMT
I disagree, there isn't any difference at all. A monarchy is a monarchy. Our government is the Queen's government. Parliament is made up of the House of Commons, House of Lords and the Monarch. After a general election the Queen invites the leader of the party that has won the most seats in the House of Commons to become her Prime Minister and to form a government. And no, the Queen as a Monarch does not act in any way that can be compared to Trump. The Queen is a figurehead, nothing more. When's the last time she went against the vote? Oh, yeah, right, never. I have nothing against her, but she has zero power. As for The House of Lords, I think it's appalling (and yes, I'm British). Don't get me started. It shouldn't exist. It just helps to keep the concept of "class" alive, and its time is done. Over. We are all equal. We are just people. But no, the Douchewaffle in the White House is nothing like any of the European monarchs (I don't know enough about others around the world to say). But yes, he does think he's a king along the lines of, say, Henry VIII (ooh, that's a good comparison) or Louis XIV, back when they DID have ultimate power. THAT'S the kind of monarchy he imagines he's living in judging from his words and actions. She's more than a figure head in the way Parliament works in this country. Yes, she still has the power to veto anything that goes through Parliament. The fact that she hasn't used that power is irrelevant, she still has that power. I don't think it matters really what you think of the House of Lords, it doesn't affect you does it ? you no longer live here. It's ironic really that you should say we should all be equal for someone that lives in a country that has such inequality in health, race and finance. For what it's worth there are many ordinary people that have been knighted for the good they have done in society and has the right to a seat in the House of Lords. They're not all " toffs"
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zella
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Post by zella on Apr 14, 2020 1:52:18 GMT
Too many people in parliament ARE toffs, though, in the House of Commons too. No, it doesn't affect me. Doesn't mean I don't get to have an opinion about my mother country. And, btw, I was brought to the US as a minor. It wasn't my choice. And yes, there are huge inequalities in the US. It's one of the things I hate about this country, any country with inequalities. Including the UK. And the Queen has chosen not to use her "power" for, what, 70 plus years? Please! She has no power.
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Post by jubejubes on Apr 14, 2020 2:03:26 GMT
Too many people in parliament ARE toffs, though, in the House of Commons too. No, it doesn't affect me. Doesn't mean I don't get to have an opinion about my mother country. And, btw, I was brought to the US as a minor. It wasn't my choice. And yes, there are huge inequalities in the US. It's one of the things I hate about this country, any country with inequalities. Including the UK. And the Queen has chosen not to use her "power" for, what, 70 plus years? Please! She has no power. Have you taken American citizenship?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 2:09:29 GMT
Too many people in parliament ARE toffs, though, in the House of Commons too. No, it doesn't affect me. Doesn't mean I don't get to have an opinion about my mother country. And, btw, I was brought to the US as a minor. It wasn't my choice. And yes, there are huge inequalities in the US. It's one of the things I hate about this country, any country with inequalities. Including the UK. And the Queen has chosen not to use her "power" for, what, 70 plus years? Please! She has no power. I doubt very much whether you could name many of them or know what they are like.
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TheOtherMeg
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Apr 14, 2020 2:21:38 GMT
Trump said the Govs were on their own when it came to finding/getting what they need to deal with COVID19; said the Feds were more like a back-up supply system. (In fact, the states often have to deal *against* the Feds when trying to get medical and other supplies.)
Can't have it both ways, Trump. You want the Govs to go it alone, then they'll lead their citizens through this without you.
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Post by lauradrumm on Apr 14, 2020 2:40:54 GMT
Well he does fancy himself a dictator
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inkedup
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Post by inkedup on Apr 14, 2020 4:14:05 GMT
The problem is that Trump has no real idea of how the government is supposed to work. He views the presidency more like a monarchy: he is our all powerful king, and he doles out federal funds and favors to those who kiss his ring. Please don't compare a Monarchy with anything that Trump is doing. I meant "monarchy" in historical terms. My comment had nothing to do with the modern British system.
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Post by elaine on Apr 14, 2020 4:36:40 GMT
This is the man who said on February 26, echoing our own peppermintpatty , Along with: So, instead of going from 15 cases down to 0, we have ballooned up to 587,155 cases and 23,644 deaths and we haven’t peaked yet. This is the man some think is able to lead us through this crisis? Barf.
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zella
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Post by zella on Apr 14, 2020 14:01:58 GMT
Too many people in parliament ARE toffs, though, in the House of Commons too. No, it doesn't affect me. Doesn't mean I don't get to have an opinion about my mother country. And, btw, I was brought to the US as a minor. It wasn't my choice. And yes, there are huge inequalities in the US. It's one of the things I hate about this country, any country with inequalities. Including the UK. And the Queen has chosen not to use her "power" for, what, 70 plus years? Please! She has no power. Have you taken American citizenship? Yes. I still have British citizenship too.
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zella
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Post by zella on Apr 14, 2020 14:04:18 GMT
Too many people in parliament ARE toffs, though, in the House of Commons too. No, it doesn't affect me. Doesn't mean I don't get to have an opinion about my mother country. And, btw, I was brought to the US as a minor. It wasn't my choice. And yes, there are huge inequalities in the US. It's one of the things I hate about this country, any country with inequalities. Including the UK. And the Queen has chosen not to use her "power" for, what, 70 plus years? Please! She has no power. I doubt very much whether you could name many of them or know what they are like. There are a few I could; I keep in touch with relatives and friends in the UK who are politically active. But this convo thread is pointless and distracting from the original post, so I'm just going to let this go.
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Post by jubejubes on Apr 14, 2020 14:14:45 GMT
Have you taken American citizenship? Yes. I still have British citizenship too. You then did do the work to become an American citizen. This takes time and effort. Basically abandoned the country of your birth. I know that it wasn't your choice to come to America, as you were a child, but, you could have gone back as an adult. Your passport is then American? Or if you don't have a passport it would be American? Highly mighty of you to diss the country of your birth, since you were not educated there nor have you truly lived there as an adult.
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zella
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Post by zella on Apr 14, 2020 14:47:30 GMT
Yes. I still have British citizenship too. You then did do the work to become an American citizen. This takes time and effort. Basically abandoned the country of your birth. I know that it wasn't your choice to come to America, as you were a child, but, you could have gone back as an adult. Your passport is then American? Or if you don't have a passport it would be American? Highly mighty of you to diss the country of your birth, since you were not educated there nor have you truly lived there as an adult. I "diss" both the US and the USA for the same reason: I want them to be better. I don't see you bitching at people criticizing the US. I most certainly was educated in the UK, thank you very much. Through what was then A-levels. Going back isn't that simple, especially once I married an American, had children, and then married a Canadian. It's a complex situation. If I knew then what I know now, I would have gone back to the UK and stayed there for many reasons. Hindsight. I don't have a current UK passport, I have a US one. I am fully entitled to a UK passport though, just have kept putting it off since my last one expired. Unless you've been an expat, particularly when it wasn't your choice, you will never know the difficulties of never feeling you belong fully either place: I'm British to Americans, American to the British. It's a weird situation, and not a pleasant one. I refuse to be a nationalist for either nation. It's just an accident of birth (and in my case my dad's job). I will continue to expect more of both the nations I've lived in: the one that has most of my heart (yes, I can love it and still criticize it) and all my roots, and the one that my kids and grandkids will inherit. Okay. Can we put this to bed now?
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Post by jubejubes on Apr 14, 2020 14:52:19 GMT
zella PS: I am a Canadian. Born in Canada and never left Canada.
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