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Post by auntkelly on May 1, 2020 21:29:03 GMT
I haven’t made up my mind how I feel about this story, but I was shocked to read on the New York Times website that the only tv outlet who has asked Ms. Reade for an interview is Fox News. She was apparently holding out for an offer from a more moderate outlet but no one else-not CNN, NBC, MSNBC or any other major outlet invited her to sit for an interview. Apparently, she finally accepted the Interview offer from Fox News and it will air this weekend.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 1, 2020 21:29:16 GMT
Every single person who blasted Kavanaugh and decided to believe Christine Blasey Ford when she had not one bit of supporting evidence for her wild and yet still oddly vague accusations against him owes it to all women to be consistent and get out there with their ME TOO posts of support for Tara Reade who does have contemporaneous support of her claim. I'm not holding my breath while I wait. I know it won’t fit your narrative, however, many were calling for a full investigation. Ford has just as much “evidence” as Reade. The big difference, which I know you won’t mention is this— Republicans in office terrorized Ford, were UGLY in calling her a liar and all sorts of names right out of the gate. They went to the airwaves and destroyed her—and refused a thorough and complete investigation. They REFUSED to allow appropriate questioning and immediately ran straight to it being a political hit job. Democrats are not doing that, in fact Joe himself is requesting that the appropriate records be released. Yes, he has denied it, but he’s not stopping any investigation around it. And...it’s quite the ironic conundrum...it was so easy to blast and label Ford as a liar and political tool, refuse investigations, and shut it down , yet here they are—the Republicans are demanding a full investigation into Biden. “...do me a favor...”
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Post by MizIndependent on May 1, 2020 21:32:18 GMT
Because TPTB didn’t want Bernie as a candidate, so they ignored this until Bernie was out of the picture and then made it a national story the day after Bernie quit the race. Clearly that wasn’t a coincidence. How was Bernie going to inspire the apathetic masses to come out and vote for him, when they didn’t do it enough in the primaries in order to get him to that point? The DNC actively undermined Sanders in the 2016 election...practically gift-wrapped it and handed it to Clinton.
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Post by MizIndependent on May 1, 2020 21:37:34 GMT
I'm awfully glad you brought this up. Tara Reade's alleged assault took place in 1993, she filed her police report on April 9, 2020.
Ford could EASILY have filed a police report when she formally accused Kavanaugh in 2018. She didn't. That was my point.
Could she have? What's the statue of limitations in that location? What was it then? Now? I don't know that. If you do please include a source for your assertion. I don't see why not. Reade's incident is past statute of limitations.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 1, 2020 21:51:32 GMT
Can anyone explain why this was brought up now? Biden has run for office several times and was VP. Why is this coming up now, and not even during the primaries? Because TPTB didn’t want Bernie as a candidate, so they ignored this until Bernie was out of the picture and then made it a national story the day after Bernie quit the race. Clearly that wasn’t a coincidence. So it’s okay to have Bernie, an old, rich white man, (and not a Democrat) be the Democra presidential nominee, but not Biden?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 1, 2020 21:58:12 GMT
IMO, the main reason Biden is the presumptive nominee is because people were trying to guess who would be most likely to beat Trump. There are a lot of people who liked other candidates better but didn’t know if enough other people felt the same way. If people had known about this in the primaries, some other moderate would have risen to the top to beat Bernie. I’m really Frustrated that this is coming out now. I could understand why CBF waited until the hearings to disclose about Kavanaugh. He was about to be appointed to a very important, lifetime position. But Biden has run for president before and was Vice President. This is not a moment of “omg, that guy who assaulted me might be president. I need to tell someone.” You’re assuming the issue is when the victim came forward. The real issue is when did the press start to cover it? The accusations have been known for years. The press chose not to cover it widely until now. Nope. Not accurate at all. You’re actually stating that ALL THE PRESS IN THE WORLD chose not to report on sexual allegations against Joe Biden, who has been a politician his adult life, run for President, a Vice President for 8 years, and has been in the public eye for what—40-50 years now—that every news outlet looked the other way and refused to report on it??? And if you’ve read up on this, the people who Ms. Reade said she made her complaint to, of which there is no record of either, have all denied that she came to them at all with the complaint she is now making.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 1, 2020 22:13:08 GMT
How was Bernie going to inspire the apathetic masses to come out and vote for him, when they didn’t do it enough in the primaries in order to get him to that point? The DNC actively undermined Sanders in the 2016 election...practically gift-wrapped it and handed it to Clinton.
Once again, Bernie is not, was not then, nor ever will be a Democrat. HRC EARNED her nomination as the 2016 race. She EARNED IT. But you keep on with the false narrative that some how the Democrats stole something from Bernie. Bernie was USING the Democrats/DNC to further his Independent, progressive self. No one should be surprised that he wasn’t the pick then or now.
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Post by *KAS* on May 1, 2020 22:15:54 GMT
I'm in the 'don't know/ don't care' camp. Nineteen more women would have to come forward with never-before-heard claims to make him as bad as Trump. If he did what she accuses him of, he was wrong. But right now, we have issues to discuss that affect hundreds of millions of people. Life and death issues. I hate this sentiment so much. It's not to pick on you - there are several here who have said the same thing. But I just despise that people - ESPECIALLY women - are like 'oh well, the other guy is so much worse when it comes to sexual assault.' How is that our bar in 2020? The other guy is worse than this guy? And I don't even mean this from a political standpoint. You can replace Biden with Johnny Carson and Trump with Jay Leno and I'd be just as grossed out. We're talking about sexual assault of women. And we're like 'oh, but the other guy is worse so this guy gets a pass.' Mind boggling to me. (and for the record - I don't like either candidate. This is truly not political).
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Post by Merge on May 1, 2020 22:16:02 GMT
As stated on another thread, I don't care anymore. Sweet Meteor o' Death 2020. I'll leave y'all to your quibbling over which old white man is worse than the other one and just point out that all this was easily avoided by nominating a woman.
And I'll guaran-god-damn-tee you that if Bernie had been the nominee, someone is waiting in the wings to bring out similar accusations against him. The powerful man of that age who never, ever touched a woman inappropriately has to be a goddamn unicorn.
Nominate women for every office and court vacancy and we can get back to talking about policy instead of penises. Jesus fucking Christ.
(I'm on my second large gin and tonic of the afternoon. If profanity bothers you, scroll on. You get what you get.)
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2020 22:24:20 GMT
How was Bernie going to inspire the apathetic masses to come out and vote for him, when they didn’t do it enough in the primaries in order to get him to that point? The DNC actively undermined Sanders in the 2016 election...practically gift-wrapped it and handed it to Clinton.
Funny thing, I don’t remember anyone coming knocking at my door telling me I had to vote for Hillary Clinton in the California primaries in 2016 or else. Did anybody here who voted for Hillary in 2016 get any type of message telling them they had to vote for Hillary? Raise your hand if you did. Did anyone here who voted for Bernie get any type of threatening message from anyone telling them not to vote for Bernie in 2016?? Raise your hand if you did. Was Hillary debating herself when they had the DNC debates during the primary season? I could have sworn I saw Bernie on stage with Hillary. Surely that wasn’t Bill Clinton dressed up to like Bernie was it. Was there any proof of rampant voter fraud in any of the Democratic primaries? You may have a case that the primaries were gifted wrapped and handed to Hillary at Bernie’s expense except for one minor pesky detail. Hillary received roughly 3 million more votes than Sanders. With that big of a margin even those nasty superdelegates Sanders was whining about didn’t come into play. The moderates of the Democratic Party voted for Hillary and since Sanders strength was with independents, many who couldn’t figure out how to register to vote in a Democratic Primary he lost. Sanders saw the handwriting on the wall this time around that he was going to lose again. Why do you think he started pushing the candidate that had the most delegates, even if it wasn’t 1901, should get the nomination? Especially after he worked with the DNC in coming up with the rules for the nominating process. What Sanders saw was after each primary when you totaled up the % of progressive voters vs moderate voters, the total for moderates was always higher by several % points then the total who voted for the two progressive candidates Warren & Sanders. He felt the number of delegates would be split between the moderate candidates which could give him the majority of delegates going into the convention. What no one saw was how quickly the moderates settled on Biden and how quickly Pete and Amy dropped out of the race and endorsed Biden and that Biden took a lead with the delegates. No one robbed Sanders of being the Democratic Nominee. It was simply when people showed up to vote, the majority made it clear they didn’t want Sanders as their nominee. Not in 2016 and not in 2020.
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Post by Really Red on May 1, 2020 22:40:05 GMT
As stated on another thread, I don't care anymore. Sweet Meteor o' Death 2020. I'll leave y'all to your quibbling over which old white man is worse than the other one and just point out that all this was easily avoided by nominating a woman. And I'll guaran-god-damn-tee you that if Bernie had been the nominee, someone is waiting in the wings to bring out similar accusations against him. The powerful man of that age who never, ever touched a woman inappropriately has to be a goddamn unicorn. Nominate women for every office and court vacancy and we can get back to talking about policy instead of penises. Jesus fucking Christ. (I'm on my second large gin and tonic of the afternoon. If profanity bothers you, scroll on. You get what you get.) Everything I wrote had a lot profanity, but I haven't had a drink yet, so I deleted it. I am with you. Nominate women and what will we get? Countries that know how to treat their people. FWIW, I do believe that there are plenty of men who haven't touched a woman out there. Sadly, it seems like any man in POWER feels like he needs to exert that power over everyone, including women. I am sure these men screwed other men as well, just in a different way.
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Post by catmom on May 1, 2020 22:58:04 GMT
So to answer the original question.... Yes I believe Biden. Not in that I can say for certain that he did nothing or that I am certain that Tara Reade is lying, but in that no one has found any hint of other women coming forward with similar claims, and no-one around him at that time believe it was remotely possible of him. (I'm separating being inappropriate from sexual assault here). This suggests to me that he's a different sort of person than Cosby/Weinstein/Trump etc. He also offered that people should look into the records and see if a complaint was ever filed. He stated his innocence without attacking Tara Reade on any level.
We aren't going to know for sure what happened. All I can do is go on the information at hand. And when I put this together with the fact that this only came out in March, and is a significantly different story than what Reade stated in 2019, I feel like its innocent until proven guilty. If others come out, the complaint is found or there is further evidence than I would definitely feel differently.
And I think the real question is, if he is guilty or potentially guilty, then what. It shouldn't matter that a critical election is 6 months away. But it kind of does, doesn't it? Al Franken was already sacrificed on the altar of doing the right thing, and I don't know that the Democrats got anything for it. In American politics, the moral high ground is worth less than nothing. The Republicans have leaned into moral relativism and 'the end justifying the means'. American people don't seem to mind that much. So maybe Democrats need to be a bit more pragmatic to win. Or voted for one of the many capable women to lead the nomination. That could have worked too.
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Post by Really Red on May 1, 2020 22:58:15 GMT
From the Times' story That makes it very difficult for him to try to disprove. ummm...even if you didn't want to come forward to accuse him, he didn't make her praise him These reasons are pretty strong for serious questioning of her story. However, the fact that Ms. Reade cannot remember the location of her assault stuns me. I, like many others, have been assaulted. I can tell you that even though it was 30 years ago, I remember it like yesterday. I don't remember the exact date or time (I do know the approximate time), but the place? Absolutely. It was terrifying. I also remember exactly where I was when my boss (not who assaulted me) told me he would fire me if he heard these allegations because his boss (who did it) would never touch anyone. I know I don't speak for everyone, but I know a lot of women who have been assaulted and location is one thing they all remember. I can absolutely assure everyone - with 100% certainty - I would NEVER praise either man for anything, much less for his work combating sexual assault. FFS! Finally, I guess someone can call themselves a staunch Democrat and praise Vladimir Putin, but I am relatively certain that that is just like saying Joe McCarthy was a good man. Saying doesn't make it so.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 1, 2020 23:00:16 GMT
You know exactly what they’ll say. IOKIYAR! Everyone else though needs to be held to a much higher standard. ETA: I didn’t think it was right to put Kavanaugh through that, and I don’t think it’s right to put Biden through it. Kavanaugh did have to go through it though, so I don’t know why Biden wouldn’t either, unless we want to admit it was wrong to do it to Kavanaugh. The thing is, they didn’t put Kavanaugh through shit. They didn’t even hold a decent investigation. There were dozens of people that could have been called up as witnesses, people who WANTED to be called up to testify and were prepared to, but they didn’t get called. And just the fact that he sat there in front of America and lost his shit and looked like the same whiny entitled little jerk that he probably was when he was in high school said it all for me. He never should have gotten confirmed, but he did and here we are. Someone in another post said something about the standards for SCOTUS being higher than for other public offices. Again, after Trump I would have to disagree and Kavanaugh proved that. Plus all of the other unqualified people being put into the other federal courts by Republicans all the way down the line. Trump is dragging the entire ship down with him.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2020 23:14:52 GMT
In his statement Biden talks about a written complaint Reade filed. I wanted to find where she said she filed a written complaint. I did from Forbes
“April 12, 2020: Reade repeated the assault story to the New York Times, and said she had reported the alleged incident to Marianne Baker, Biden’s executive assistant. She also said she told two top aides, Dennis Toner and Ted Kaufman, she felt harassed by Biden — but did not tell them about the assault — and filed a written complaint with the Senate personnel office.
She said she had responsibilities in the office taken away from her after filing the report, including managing office interns.
All three former Biden staffers denied to the Times Reade ever told them of any incident, and the written complaint mentioned by Reade has not been found, and Reade has said she does not have a copy of it.”
My question is why doesn’t she have a copy of the written complaint she filed? Something like that one would keep a copy of, so where is hers? If you’re upset enough about what happened that you file a written complaint about it and considering what it’s about and who it’s about, you darn sure keep a copy of it. If for no other reason then for your own protection.
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Post by Merge on May 1, 2020 23:23:28 GMT
As stated on another thread, I don't care anymore. Sweet Meteor o' Death 2020. I'll leave y'all to your quibbling over which old white man is worse than the other one and just point out that all this was easily avoided by nominating a woman. And I'll guaran-god-damn-tee you that if Bernie had been the nominee, someone is waiting in the wings to bring out similar accusations against him. The powerful man of that age who never, ever touched a woman inappropriately has to be a goddamn unicorn. Nominate women for every office and court vacancy and we can get back to talking about policy instead of penises. Jesus fucking Christ. (I'm on my second large gin and tonic of the afternoon. If profanity bothers you, scroll on. You get what you get.) Everything I wrote had a lot profanity, but I haven't had a drink yet, so I deleted it. I am with you. Nominate women and what will we get? Countries that know how to treat their people. FWIW, I do believe that there are plenty of men who haven't touched a woman out there. Sadly, it seems like any man in POWER feels like he needs to exert that power over everyone, including women. I am sure these men screwed other men as well, just in a different way. Yep, it's the power that makes men feel they can act that way. From Kennedy to Clinton to Thomas to Kavanaugh to Trump to whoever else you can name. It's powerful men who do stuff like this, while powerful women are sidelined before they get too far because they're not "likeable" enough. Well, who do you think decides on the standards for female likeability? Those same powerful men, of course, and all the people, male and female, who ally themselves with the power base for their own benefit. I'll vote for the democratic nominee, whoever that is, but I'm not putting myself out there or going to bat for any male candidate ever again. We're not going to get anywhere until we have a radical shift in who holds the power in this country.
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Post by catmom on May 1, 2020 23:33:33 GMT
From the Times' story That makes it very difficult for him to try to disprove. ummm...even if you didn't want to come forward to accuse him, he didn't make her praise him These reasons are pretty strong for serious questioning of her story. However, the fact that Ms. Reade cannot remember the location of her assault stuns me. I, like many others, have been assaulted. I can tell you that even though it was 30 years ago, I remember it like yesterday. I don't remember the exact date or time (I do know the approximate time), but the place? Absolutely. It was terrifying. I also remember exactly where I was when my boss (not who assaulted me) told me he would fire me if he heard these allegations because his boss (who did it) would never touch anyone. I know I don't speak for everyone, but I know a lot of women who have been assaulted and location is one thing they all remember. I can absolutely assure everyone - with 100% certainty - I would NEVER praise either man for anything, much less for his work combating sexual assault. FFS! Finally, I guess someone can call themselves a staunch Democrat and praise Vladimir Putin, but I am relatively certain that that is just like saying Joe McCarthy was a good man. Saying doesn't make it so. It depends on what you mean by location, but I'll raise my hand as a woman who was sexually assaulted and doesn't remember the location. I remember in detail that I was on a couch in the far end of a living room, that kind of thing is burnt into my memory. But the address of the house? Even the neighbourhood? No recollection whatsoever. There isn't only one way to react to being sexually assaulted, and I don't want to diminish any woman's experience (not saying you do) by requiring it meet my expectations of how a victim should respond.
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Post by pierkiss on May 1, 2020 23:51:13 GMT
No I don’t believe him. I believe her. Most people do not lie about this. It is not worth the shit storm.
I also don’t think it matters at this point. He is the democratic nominee. He is running against someone who has had 8 bazillion (credible) allegations. Either way we wind up with a shitty president who has committed sexual assault of some kind.
I would rather have a president who has had political experience, can fix the mess that is the economy, who is intelligent, who listens to actual experts and scientists about things, who reads his intelligence briefings, and who will have everyone’s best interest at heart (not just the people who kiss his ass and scream YES at him). And I would prefer that person to be a democratic. That he is a sexual offender is a moot point at this point. Because SO IS THE OTHER GUY AND IT DOESNT MATTER AT THIS POINT!!!!!
Now I need to go take a very hot shower because I am disgusted by what I just said and that we have as a country have even gotten to this fucking point. There were so many other fucking options, but “we” are too stupid to have picked them. 🤬
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2020 23:55:18 GMT
Just come on already Michelle. Save the country from either of these old ass, sexual predators running the country.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 2, 2020 0:07:12 GMT
I'm in the 'don't know/ don't care' camp. Nineteen more women would have to come forward with never-before-heard claims to make him as bad as Trump. If he did what she accuses him of, he was wrong. But right now, we have issues to discuss that affect hundreds of millions of people. Life and death issues. I hate this sentiment so much. It's not to pick on you - there are several here who have said the same thing. But I just despise that people - ESPECIALLY women - are like 'oh well, the other guy is so much worse when it comes to sexual assault.' How is that our bar in 2020? The other guy is worse than this guy? And I don't even mean this from a political standpoint. You can replace Biden with Johnny Carson and Trump with Jay Leno and I'd be just as grossed out. We're talking about sexual assault of women. And we're like 'oh, but the other guy is worse so this guy gets a pass.' Mind boggling to me. (and for the record - I don't like either candidate. This is truly not political). The thing is, we do have to choose. I don’t think you can equate a choice in who to vote for in an election with choosing which of two random people is better when both are bad. And that is assuming that the allegations are true.
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Post by myshelly on May 2, 2020 0:09:59 GMT
Because TPTB didn’t want Bernie as a candidate, so they ignored this until Bernie was out of the picture and then made it a national story the day after Bernie quit the race. Clearly that wasn’t a coincidence. So it’s okay to have Bernie, an old, rich white man, (and not a Democrat) be the Democra presidential nominee, but not Biden? So far he’s not a rapist, so I’d say that’s a plus.
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Post by Sarah*H on May 2, 2020 0:20:33 GMT
I am so not going to be lectured to by any Kavanaugh or Trump supporter. Come for us when you've cleaned up your own mess. It's actually hilarious that this is a talking point. (Repeat ad nauseum re. national security, patriotism, competence, honesty, etc. etc. ad infinitum.)
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Post by *KAS* on May 2, 2020 0:22:02 GMT
I hate this sentiment so much. It's not to pick on you - there are several here who have said the same thing. But I just despise that people - ESPECIALLY women - are like 'oh well, the other guy is so much worse when it comes to sexual assault.' How is that our bar in 2020? The other guy is worse than this guy? And I don't even mean this from a political standpoint. You can replace Biden with Johnny Carson and Trump with Jay Leno and I'd be just as grossed out. We're talking about sexual assault of women. And we're like 'oh, but the other guy is worse so this guy gets a pass.' Mind boggling to me. (and for the record - I don't like either candidate. This is truly not political). The thing is, we do have to choose. I don’t think you can equate a choice in who to vote for in an election with choosing which of two random people is better when both are bad. And that is assuming that the allegations are true. But we shouldn’t have to. That’s my point. If these allegations are true, neither of these guys should be on the ballot. It shouldn’t even be up for debate. Think about it this way - instead of the school assigning your child’s next teacher, you have to pick. One has sexually assaulted one person and one has sexually assaulted 10. Which one do you pick? You wouldn’t. You would demand different options. All of us would. Yet somehow, the leader of our country isn’t held to that same standard. So bizarre to me.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 0:26:29 GMT
Could she have? What's the statue of limitations in that location? What was it then? Now? I don't know that. If you do please include a source for your assertion. I don't see why not. Reade's incident is past statute of limitations.
So your lack of belief in Blasey Ford's allegation is she didn't file a police report on a 1982 incident but you think Tara is more credible because she did file a report this month on a 1993 incident? Is that it? And what about the 5 court filings against Trump? Where do those weigh in your calculus?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 0:30:47 GMT
No I don’t believe him. I believe her. Most people do not lie about this. It is not worth the shit storm. I also don’t think it matters at this point. He is the democratic nominee. He is running against someone who has had 8 bazillion (credible) allegations. Either way we wind up with a shitty president who has committed sexual assault of some kind. I would rather have a president who has had political experience, can fix the mess that is the economy, who is intelligent, who listens to actual experts and scientists about things, who reads his intelligence briefings, and who will have everyone’s best interest at heart (not just the people who kiss his ass and scream YES at him). And I would prefer that person to be a democratic. That he is a sexual offender is a moot point at this point. Because SO IS THE OTHER GUY AND IT DOESNT MATTER AT THIS POINT!!!!! Now I need to go take a very hot shower because I am disgusted by what I just said and that we have as a country have even gotten to this fucking point. There were so many other fucking options, but “we” are too stupid to have picked them. 🤬 When you get out of your shower ponder this for a moment. Prior to #MeToo, you were correct in your assessment of why make this up. Most women were never believed so women felt they had too be quite because of the shit storm that would certainly come their way. But since #MeToo women have come forward and can tell their story without the fear of being run out of town. Problem is, too many people are rushing to believe these stories and if anyone should raise questions they are attacked for daring to cast doubt on this poor woman’s story. All the while forgetting some women can be very very good at making things up to get back at someone. And are not above taking money to discredit someone’s reputation. There are two sticking points with her story. 1. Why did she wait this long to tell her story after the #MeToo movement started? Biden was in the public eye. So why the delay? She apparently told people what happened who remember. So why not tell her story a couple of years ago when the #MeToo movement started? 2. She said she filed a written complaint with the Senate Personnel office but she doesn’t have a copy. Why not? Seriously if I had filed a written complaint like that not only would I have kept a copy but would have a couple extras copies filed in different safe places. That is kind of a biggie when you do something like that. So not to have a copy does not make sense to me.
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Post by papersilly on May 2, 2020 0:39:07 GMT
Can anyone explain why this was brought up now? Biden has run for office several times and was VP. Why is this coming up now, and not even during the primaries? Because certain people are getting nervous. It’s election year and it always gets dirty. I knew something like this would come out.
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Post by Just T on May 2, 2020 0:40:20 GMT
It depends on what you mean by location, but I'll raise my hand as a woman who was sexually assaulted and doesn't remember the location. I remember in detail that I was on a couch in the far end of a living room, that kind of thing is burnt into my memory. But the address of the house? Even the neighbourhood? No recollection whatsoever. There isn't only one way to react to being sexually assaulted, and I don't want to diminish any woman's experience (not saying you do) by requiring it meet my expectations of how a victim should respond. I agree. I was sexually assaulted when I was a sophomore in college, in 1983. I remember what I was wearing. I remember exactly where I was. I remember the Prince song that was playing downstairs. I don't remember who took me home that night, or how I got home, if I left with the friend who drove me there, I just do not remember. During the whole Brett Kavanaugh shit show, people were outraged because she didn't remember how she got home. We all remember different things. ETA: I never told anyone. The only person who knew was my friend who walked in and stopped it. He was a hot shot Division 1 college basketball player. No one would have believed me. I still quite clearly remember his name, though. And if he was up for a Supreme Court position, I know I am not a strong enough person to have come forward the way Ford did. Like someone else said, the whole Kavanaugh thing could have gone much different if he had said, yeah, I was a bit of a cad when I was a kid, I've changed, I am sorry, I am now a champion for women, or any number of things. Instead he was a belligerent a$$hole who screamed that he likes BEER!! Those who thought Ford was not credible because she waited so long to come forward, what do you think of this gal waiting so long? Why didn't she come forward when Obama/Biden were running in 2008? Why didn't she come forward earlier in the primary season? Why did she wait until he is the candidate, when there is no way to have someone else at this point? We are f*cked no matter what. The standard for getting elected was set pretty damn low when Trump bragged about grabbing womEN by the pu$$y and it didn't keep him from getting elected.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 0:41:19 GMT
The thing is, we do have to choose. I don’t think you can equate a choice in who to vote for in an election with choosing which of two random people is better when both are bad. And that is assuming that the allegations are true. But we shouldn’t have to. That’s my point. If these allegations are true, neither of these guys should be on the ballot. It shouldn’t even be up for debate. Think about it this way - instead of the school assigning your child’s next teacher, you have to pick. One has sexually assaulted one person and one has sexually assaulted 10. Which one do you pick? You wouldn’t. You would demand different options. All of us would. Yet somehow, the leader of our country isn’t held to that same standard. So bizarre to me. Who put trump in office? Who has given Biden enough votes to pretty much guarantee he will be the Democratic Nominee? The voters. So we are ,for the most part, going to have bad choices until we have better informed engaged voters. And this applies to both sides of the political spectrum. And the only people who can bring change are the people themselves and I’m not seeing that happening anytime soon. Until that happens we deal with what is front of us.
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sassyangel
Drama Llama
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Jun 26, 2014 23:58:32 GMT
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Post by sassyangel on May 2, 2020 0:46:33 GMT
How was Bernie going to inspire the apathetic masses to come out and vote for him, when they didn’t do it enough in the primaries in order to get him to that point? The DNC actively undermined Sanders in the 2016 election...practically gift-wrapped it and handed it to Clinton.
I’m talking THESE primaries. Turnout in them was pretty good, and they still didn’t turn out for him this time in enough numbers to get him the nomination. How is that going to translate to an actual election? I mean really if they felt it was stolen from him last time, that’s all the MORE reason to turnout for him in the primaries. But they didn’t. I’m actually shocked they didn’t, myself. I spend a fair bit of time in Reddit, and the passion and support for him there was pretty impressive.
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cycworker
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 4,387
Jun 26, 2014 0:42:38 GMT
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Post by cycworker on May 2, 2020 0:50:31 GMT
I absolutely 100% believe Biden. I absolutely 100% did not and do not believe Kavanagh.
Tara Reade has no credibility. She's changed her story multiple times. She's written love letters to Putin. This story is coming out now because the Bernie Bros think they can force Biden out & make Bernie the nominee.
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