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Post by happyOCgirl on May 8, 2020 3:32:34 GMT
I teach middle school Family and Consumer Science (home ec). I have 163 students and have worked 10+ hours every day since March 13 (the last day we were at school). I have to create all my own material in normal circumstances, and now have to make it all digital. I do teach live and record it for those students who can't watch at that time. It has been a 'fun' challenge to assign recipes to cook at home. I think we finally hit our stride last week. The worst things schools did was not take at least one week to instruct students on how to access materials, turn in assignments, and how to get help. We were expected to pick up on Monday where we left off on Friday. There is not consistency between subjects, schools, or districts. Five weeks into this, our school district issued the expectations for teachers and grading. There are lazy teachers. It is disgusting. They post their day trips and adventures, like they are already on summer vacation. Luckily, these are the minority but I can't blame parents for being upset.On a good note, I learned I can teach 6th graders how to sew through a computer. It is amazing. They are so proud of their work an emoji pillow) and continually tell me this has been their favorite school assignment since this started. It took 6 hours to make sewing kits for each of them - totally worth it! I had them back stitch "2020" on their emoji because this is a year to remember.  Thank you for supporting teachers...and 'getting' how we put our whole hearts into our jobs because of our students.
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Post by auntkelly on May 8, 2020 3:46:33 GMT
I really feel for all of you teachers! I can’t even begin to imagine how difficult this situation is for you.
Thank you for your dedication to your students.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 8, 2020 3:59:22 GMT
Do most schools not use google classrooms and meet? Here the kids have been using google classrooms to turn in assignments since at least middle school. I assume the meet thing is new but assignments have been on the platform for a while. I’m glad that the teachers well most of them were used to it before this started. I’m not saying it didn’t take a lot of extra work to switch your teaching over but at least most were familiar with the software. No idea if the district is providing teachers with computers at home or not. Students could check out chrome books if needed. No word yet from our district but the city just north of us sent out a questionnaire asking parents their choice for next year - regular school, hybrid or on-line. Our elementary is primarily using Seesaw. Not all of DD’s individual teachers has a page on there, so for those teachers she can’t contact them through Seesaw, she has to look up their email and send them a message that way. One of the teachers is linking up Google Sheets through there every day and it’s been a hassle trying to access the pages. Sometimes they don’t open, other times it says page not found, sometimes it works, sometimes I can’t print the pages full size without a lot of screwing around and my kid wants to do them with a pencil. It’s just a PITA. I wish she would just put the worksheet pages on Seesaw and be done with it since everything else is on there.
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Post by seaexplore on May 8, 2020 4:14:34 GMT
I disagree with this. There is nothing efficient about what we are doing. This is heads above water crap right now. Yes, I can figure out how to disseminate information to students, but they aren't learning. They aren't engaging with the content. And how do you teach hands on classes remotely? It isn't pretty. Shop, Ag, CTE classes can't be done online. ETA: I forgot music, physical education, art, band, choir and have you ever tried to learn a foreign language online? Student engagement has dropped weekly since we started. There are many that we barely hear from at all (and some that have disappeared completely). You can't teach interpersonal skills without people. There is so much more to what students get inside a school building than the fact that in 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue. I agree with you, it isn’t efficient at all. My kid’s teachers all LOVE my kid. She’s the one who sits still, pays attention, does her work, works hard. Does the kid do that at home? HELL NO. Ugh. Every fifteen minutes she’s getting up, walking around, trying to look at YouTube videos, doodling in her notebook, wanting to sit in a different chair or in a different room.  And every fifteen minutes I’m trying to redirect her to get her back on task. This is a normal neuro typical kid, not special needs. It’s frustrating as hell. I have all the respect for her teachers who not only have to keep one kid wrangled and on task, but 24-26 of them. ALL AT ONCE. And what freecharlie wrote above in an earlier post is pretty close to what my SPED teacher friend has said her day is like too. She has been regularly putting in between 10-12 hours a day between doing 1:1 zoom meetings with individual kids, group zoom meetings with other staff members, planning individualized curriculum for each of her kids to meet IEPs away from the computer, etc. Do we share the same kid? Mine does this AND I’m teaching middle school at the same time! I’m exhausted at the end of the “day”
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Post by seaexplore on May 8, 2020 4:20:45 GMT
Yes! Another middle school teacher here. My kids vampires are turning in stuff between 10 pm and 2 am. If I'm up and see the email/message within 2-3 min of getting it, I'll reply. Otherwise, they get to wait until MY hours which are daylight. LOL 2 minutes before the deadline? I hate when mine do that but they seem to thrive on it There are no deadlines anymore, I have due dates but it’s just to keep the kids from being overwhelmed and to help them pace themselves. Full credit and ability redo until full credit is required to be allowed until the final day grades close. That’s gonna be a huge cluster when everyone is turning in work that last day! Who am I kidding, I’ll have like 3/56 kids turning in anything by then. Sigh.
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Post by seaexplore on May 8, 2020 4:25:18 GMT
I have three kids Elementary/Middle/high. I do think our second grade teacher is amazing, however she is only doing two hours a week. Half the class for 30 minutes than the other half, so she has a smaller class. That being said it is only one hour for my Ds per week. I do not think that is enough. I know there is prep work etc... but I feel they should get at least 3 hours per week. My fifth grader is one hour each day (monday-Thursday), I think that is great. online? What if the times overlap? We’ve had 3 zoom meetings at a time going in this house before. Chromebook (mine from school) for my 3rd trader, IPad (belongs to the kid) for the 4 year old, macbook (mine from school) for me. thankfully we have plenty of devices here and xfinity had been good for us with bandwidth.
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Post by iteach3rdgrade on May 8, 2020 6:00:00 GMT
Do most schools not use google classrooms and meet? Here the kids have been using google classrooms to turn in assignments since at least middle school. I assume the meet thing is new but assignments have been on the platform for a while. I’m glad that the teachers well most of them were used to it before this started. I’m not saying it didn’t take a lot of extra work to switch your teaching over but at least most were familiar with the software. No idea if the district is providing teachers with computers at home or not. Students could check out chrome books if needed. No word yet from our district but the city just north of us sent out a questionnaire asking parents their choice for next year - regular school, hybrid or on-line. Our elementary is primarily using Seesaw. Not all of DD’s individual teachers has a page on there, so for those teachers she can’t contact them through Seesaw, she has to look up their email and send them a message that way. One of the teachers is linking up Google Sheets through there every day and it’s been a hassle trying to access the pages. Sometimes they don’t open, other times it says page not found, sometimes it works, sometimes I can’t print the pages full size without a lot of screwing around and my kid wants to do them with a pencil. It’s just a PITA. I wish she would just put the worksheet pages on Seesaw and be done with it since everything else is on there. I love SeeSaw. I offered it to my students and had 4 choose to use it. Most scanned work into Dojo since we used it all year. I was disappointed that Dojo couldn't be used like SeeSaw. I'm asking for $ next year so I can use SeeSaw. If they are familiar with it and it's the choice then they'll use it. I can provide more fun lessons, too! I really expected to use the tablet as a "book" and students just write on notebook paper, but parents wanted to print. Students don't have the opportunity to use paper as much.
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Post by SunnySmile on May 8, 2020 6:21:21 GMT
A few parents have been chatting and its come out that there are some that think if teachers aren't live streaming 6 hours a day, they are lazy. After all, they'd be teaching 6 hours so why not broadcast 6 hours? I've actually been asked to make videos of very basic stuff (already mastered and automatic) to "earn my pay" (think busy work). We are expected to honor the cap of 2:40 of engagement a day , which includes online instructions
Non educator friends see their "lazy" view point.
I'm busier now than ever between planning, recording, correcting, commenting, emailing, tutoring , researching, packing my room, working on final report cards, etc.
The decision to stay home is out of our control. I meet with kids on Zoom, call parents, etc and really over being seen as "lazy" or getting 6 weeks of extra summer. Seriously.
My dh is a teacher and he is doing more work now than when he was in the classroom. He is sometimes still on the computer until well after dinner doing lesson plans, answering emails, etc. He still did lesson plans and all before, but he has a very active classroom teaching Spanish with competitions, games and other physical class participation. He now has to switch to total lecture type teaching and has to plan differently. He also has office hours every day where he has to be at his computer between certain hours in case any student needs extra help. It is most definitely NOT an extra 6 weeks of vacation. Half the parents don't even make sure their kids are in class every day. THEY are the ones treating it like vacation. Their kid doesn't show up to class, so they come crying to him the day before the test and he has to teach the whole thing over again. He doesn't even mind though, I get more miffed about it than he does haha! He definitely does prefer teaching in a classroom though.
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Post by SunnySmile on May 8, 2020 6:27:01 GMT
F*$k them and f$*k that. I am working my ass off. I have had to change lessons on the fly, I have to record lessons for kids that can't make the zoom. Reading a chapter takes me 20 minutes and then half the time there is some damn technology issue and I have to do it again. I had to learn multiple new platforms and utilize them. I spend hours every day responding to emails. I am in more meetings than I can count. I check emails and answer questions all hours. The line between work and home is very blurry right now. Last night, I was on the phone with a parent at 8 pm. As a sped teacher I am in over my head with all the paperwork. In fact, I am taking a break from it right now. I was on a zoom class with students from 12:15 to 1:45. They showed up early (it was scheduled at 1) and so I started early and just talked to them and checked in with with for 1.5 hours. I've done multiple zoom meetings for hours a day helping my students. And all that is from a high school teacher who had great students and good report with them, set routines, and self-sufficient students. I imagine it is worse at the lower grade levels when they can't just pop on a zoom or do the things that we did in class routinely. AND MY YOUNGEST CHILD IS 15!!!! I can't imagine if my children weren't self-sufficient. As it is, they do need my help from time to time (and the other is 18). These poor teachers juggling parent, teacher, staff member, wife... holy crap! So anybody that wants to call me or 90% of the teaching force lazy can shove it right up their ass and f*^k off. 100% agree. My dh is experiencing all of this. My dd is a hs English teacher. She has 120 students. She said on average 4 kids a day log in. They don’t care if it’s mandatory. Some kids have never logged in or done a single assignment. They and their parents are not responding to emails or phone calls. They act as if it’s optional. She did say their office hours were assigned by the school. Some days hers start at 9 and some days 11. The same kids get on no matter what time they are. She’s been filming TikTok’s for them in her apartment courtyard. Apparently it’s amusement for her neighbors. Not sure her students are amused. And this.
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Post by gsquaredmom on May 8, 2020 12:28:58 GMT
Internet down again. I finished responding to emails at 10:30 last night. It was fine. 4:30 am? Down and still down. If it does not come back up in six minutes, the two teachers and one assistant will have difficulty teaching today! We were out for three hours one afternoon last week. And if we’re out so are some of my students. Ugghh. So not a fan. I’m not allowed in the school so can’t go there to access internet.
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Post by paigepea on May 8, 2020 12:34:24 GMT
I feel our teachers are spending more time on logistics / planning / organizing / marking / meetings / emailing than with students. It’s all so unfortunate. My Dh is a physician and I feel he’s spending more time in hospital admin / provincial meetings / organizing / planning versus zooming with patients.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 8, 2020 12:57:31 GMT
Our elementary is primarily using Seesaw. Not all of DD’s individual teachers has a page on there, so for those teachers she can’t contact them through Seesaw, she has to look up their email and send them a message that way. One of the teachers is linking up Google Sheets through there every day and it’s been a hassle trying to access the pages. Sometimes they don’t open, other times it says page not found, sometimes it works, sometimes I can’t print the pages full size without a lot of screwing around and my kid wants to do them with a pencil. It’s just a PITA. I wish she would just put the worksheet pages on Seesaw and be done with it since everything else is on there. I love SeeSaw. I offered it to my students and had 4 choose to use it. Most scanned work into Dojo since we used it all year. I was disappointed that Dojo couldn't be used like SeeSaw. I'm asking for $ next year so I can use SeeSaw. If they are familiar with it and it's the choice then they'll use it. I can provide more fun lessons, too! I really expected to use the tablet as a "book" and students just write on notebook paper, but parents wanted to print. Students don't have the opportunity to use paper as much. We have had so much trouble with getting the text and writing tools to work easily in Seesaw and it is frustrating the crap out of my kid. She would rather use her iPad when she can instead of her Chromebook, but moving and resizing the text boxes is troublesome and the drawing tools make the writing nearly illegible on a good day. Especially for math where there might be 8-10 problems on a page and all the answers have to be tiny, she’s banging her head into the wall by question #3 and just wants to print it out and do it with a pencil. I’m just glad we have a computer and printer so we can do that, but dang it’s frustrating. Or she will do half a page of work and then try to open up some music or something outside of Seesaw and when she goes back everything she’s already done didn’t save and has vanished. You would think after having that happen once she wouldn’t do it again, but noooooo. She’s done it like three times now and OMG the wailing that ensues! And I’m sitting there saying to myself, “how many times do you have to do the same dumb thing before you learn *not to do that* until you’re DONE with a task and have submitted it?” Good times, good times.
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Post by mikklynn on May 8, 2020 13:03:05 GMT
However, I do think this pandemic and the school shutdowns are showing everyone there are more efficient ways to educate kids than having butts in seats in a collection of buildings for six hours a day. I disagree with this. There is nothing efficient about what we are doing. This is heads above water crap right now. Yes, I can figure out how to disseminate information to students, but they aren't learning. They aren't engaging with the content. And how do you teach hands on classes remotely? It isn't pretty. Shop, Ag, CTE classes can't be done online. ETA: I forgot music, physical education, art, band, choir and have you ever tried to learn a foreign language online? Student engagement has dropped weekly since we started. There are many that we barely hear from at all (and some that have disappeared completely). You can't teach interpersonal skills without people. There is so much more to what students get inside a school building than the fact that in 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue. I agree! Even my 11 year old grandson said he'd rather be in school. Anyone who thinks this is less work for teachers is an idiot.
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Post by jenjie on May 8, 2020 13:14:34 GMT
A few parents have been chatting and its come out that there are some that think if teachers aren't live streaming 6 hours a day, they are lazy. After all, they'd be teaching 6 hours so why not broadcast 6 hours? I've actually been asked to make videos of very basic stuff (already mastered and automatic) to "earn my pay" (think busy work). We are expected to honor the cap of 2:40 of engagement a day , which includes online instructions
Non educator friends see their "lazy" view point.
I'm busier now than ever between planning, recording, correcting, commenting, emailing, tutoring , researching, packing my room, working on final report cards, etc.
The decision to stay home is out of our control. I meet with kids on Zoom, call parents, etc and really over being seen as "lazy" or getting 6 weeks of extra summer. Seriously.
My dh is a teacher and he is doing more work now than when he was in the classroom. He is sometimes still on the computer until well after dinner doing lesson plans, answering emails, etc. He still did lesson plans and all before, but he has a very active classroom teaching Spanish with competitions, games and other physical class participation. He now has to switch to total lecture type teaching and has to plan differently. He also has office hours every day where he has to be at his computer between certain hours in case any student needs extra help. It is most definitely NOT an extra 6 weeks of vacation. Half the parents don't even make sure their kids are in class every day. THEY are the ones treating it like vacation. Their kid doesn't show up to class, so they come crying to him the day before the test and he has to teach the whole thing over again. He doesn't even mind though, I get more miffed about it than he does haha! He definitely does prefer teaching in a classroom though. Can he do this? My ds teachers are recording their class sessions and emails it to the students. Whoever doesn’t attend needs to watch. And everybody needs to take and submit notes. This is 9th grade.
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Post by artbabe on May 8, 2020 13:44:57 GMT
I have to disagree about not being able to teach art online. I feel like I've been doing a pretty good job, the majority of kids seem to be engaged, they are doing well on the written work and the projects look pretty good and some are amazing. I teach middle school, though, so my kids are pretty self-sufficient. I'm lucky my district has been so good about doing this. We don't have any silly rules about when we are supposed to have office hours or how much we should be video conferencing, etc. Every teacher I know is working their butt off to give kids a good teaching experience but we are all doing it differently. I don't really have office hours. I put some hours on our school website but I pretty much answer all emails within an hour of when they come in. I had to train myself to not answer emails in the middle of the night because I was doing that a lot to start with. Middle school kids are night owls. I will admit that I still will read the email and sometimes I do get out of bed to answer one if it seems like it can't wait until morning. I am definitely putting in a full day of work. The kids always have an assignment they are working on, although I always try to give them a couple of days to do it. I spend most of my time grading the assignments of 100 kids, answering emails, writing new lessons, and video conferencing staff meetings. I have Google Meets with the kids a couple of times a week but I don't teach during those times. I just talk with the kids, find out what they are doing, just checking on everyone's mental state. The kids just need the social time so my meetings let them talk to each other about normal kid stuff. At the beginning I was answering 100-200 emails a day but that has slowed down quite a bit. I do a lot of writing back and forth to kids, helping them work on assignments. Sometimes I just check in because I can tell a kid is upset. I have a couple that write to me just because they are struggling and I'm someone they can talk to. Do most schools not use google classrooms and meet? Here the kids have been using google classrooms to turn in assignments since at least middle school. I assume the meet thing is new but assignments have been on the platform for a while. I’m glad that the teachers well most of them were used to it before this started. I’m not saying it didn’t take a lot of extra work to switch your teaching over but at least most were familiar with the software. I keep reading all of these other teachers' experiences and I thought the same thing. Google Classroom is so easy to use and it organizes everything for you, gives a platform to communicate with kids and they to communicate with you, gives you a place to assign work and a place for the kids to submit work. Our school was already using it so for most kids it has been really easy to use. I wouldn't know how to do this without it. I'm using Google Meet, which is also super easy. Google Documents, Google Slides, Google has been my lifeline. I feel bad for schools that aren't using it.
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Post by katybee on May 8, 2020 13:57:47 GMT
However, I do think this pandemic and the school shutdowns are showing everyone there are more efficient ways to educate kids than having butts in seats in a collection of buildings for six hours a day. I disagree with this. There is nothing efficient about what we are doing. This is heads above water crap right now. Yes, I can figure out how to disseminate information to students, but they aren't learning. They aren't engaging with the content. And how do you teach hands on classes remotely? It isn't pretty. Shop, Ag, CTE classes can't be done online. ETA: I forgot music, physical education, art, band, choir and have you ever tried to learn a foreign language online? Student engagement has dropped weekly since we started. There are many that we barely hear from at all (and some that have disappeared completely). You can't teach interpersonal skills without people. There is so much more to what students get inside a school building than the fact that in 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue. I disagree as well. If anything, this it’s showing me how essential it is for me to be with my students. As amazing as my parents are— and I do not judge anyone for how they are “teaching“ their kids during this crisis – they just don’t understand how to teach their kids. They send me videos of them reading with their kids, and they never let their kids struggle. They jump right in and fix every problem without giving their kids a chance to fix it themselves. I get pages of writing with every single word spelled correctly. From kindergartners. Also – parents don’t know how to ask their kids questions. I watch videos of them doing a math activity and it kills me that I’m not there to push and question them to deepen their understanding. Most of all, I miss the collaboration. Playing math games, doing STEM projects together, watching partners read together, solving problems together… Collaboration is an essential skill in today’s world. And you cannot get that on a computer. Most of my parents are just that —amazing parents. But I am a teacher. I am proud to be a teacher, and I realize now more than ever that I’ve got some skillz.
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Post by katybee on May 8, 2020 14:10:59 GMT
The differences between districts (even in the same general region) is pretty staggering. Our district doesn't have any online teaching as such and the teachers have only been allowed to have brief zoom-type meetings with classes as of this week. However, they are not allowed to do any teaching since the district cannot confirm everyone has access. So, what my kids are getting are Google slide decks with assignments, links to Youtube type videos, etc., but nothing from the teacher specifically except for comments on assignments. It's really odd to me. I am not knocking the teachers, I know they are doing everything they are being allowed to do - but the administration sure messed this up, in my opinion. ETA - and while this was the first week these 20 minute zoom-type meetings have been allowed, school will be done on May 21. So yeah, not impressed with the adminstrative decisions here. And May 21 was before we were supposed to be out originally anyway, so that really confuses me! I’m pretty sure you are in my district. or maybe the district next-door. Trust me – we hate the slide decks! The activities are low level and not engaging at all, they are cluttered and hard to navigate, they are ugly and old fashioned. We were told, in no uncertain terms, in the name of “equity,” we are not allowed to change the activities. I was a rule follower for about the first two weeks. And then one of our kindergarten parents went to the school board to complain about how terrible the slide decks were, and the school board blamed the teachers! so then – all bets were off. I now leave the activities the same, I do not change the learning objective, but I add a video of me doing a lesson and explaining the activity for every subject. I am very proud of them and my parents love them. But they take a lot of work! I am working more now than I did when I was in school. Although if I wanted to, I could get by probably with less than half of the work I’m doing now.
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Post by jenjie on May 8, 2020 14:19:47 GMT
Teachers are Thinking outside the box. Our gym teacher started having the kids do sit-ups and push-ups but then he started having them do a paper, 10 facts about a different sport each week. And that has been Logan’s favorite assignment! It’s always the first thing he works on, even though it has the furthest due date. I have to remind him to save that one for later.
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Post by scrappinmama on May 8, 2020 14:37:09 GMT
I'm fiercely protective of my sons teachers. They both have autism and I know all too well how hard those teachers work. I can't even begin to say all the ways that teachers have gone above and beyond to help out during this time. My youngest son is a senior in high school. This was his teacher's first year teaching. Can you imagine doing this during your first year teaching? That guy has been amazing! He has helped me with tech issues, told me to take a break from school work (my youngest needs para support and I'm it right now), worked hard to find things to keep my son engaged with the curriculum. My oldest son is in his last year in the 18-21 year old program. His teacher spends an hour a day two times a week on Zoom just focusing on mental health and well-being. She provides her students with great resources and an opportunity to talk about their feelings. She has been amazing. For anyone to say that teachers are lazy really pisses me off! Sorry for the language.
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Post by sam9 on May 8, 2020 14:41:09 GMT
Where I live, this is a legitimate complaint. There is no online teaching. Or handouts or anything. The elementary kids have been completely abandoned and the teachers haven’t done a thing for 8 weeks now. My sister is a teacher and I have one son in grade 5. They are scheduled to return to school on May 19. I’m hoping they work through summer break. The teachers here have been on paid vacation.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 14:52:42 GMT
She said on average 4 kids a day log in. They don’t care if it’s mandatory. Some kids have never logged in or done a single assignment. They and their parents are not responding to emails or phone calls. They act as if it’s optional. Then they shouldn't pass. Zero's for grades. If it's mandatory there should be repercussions if they are not doing the work.
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Post by luckyjune on May 8, 2020 15:02:45 GMT
What if a teacher only has one computer in his/her house and the kids need to be on it to do their own schooling? Or, as it is with two veteran teachers in my district, don't have internet at home?
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Post by RosieKat on May 8, 2020 15:19:11 GMT
I’m pretty sure you are in my district. or maybe the district next-door. Trust me – we hate the slide decks! The activities are low level and not engaging at all, they are cluttered and hard to navigate, they are ugly and old fashioned. We were told, in no uncertain terms, in the name of “equity,” we are not allowed to change the activities. I was a rule follower for about the first two weeks. And then one of our kindergarten parents went to the school board to complain about how terrible the slide decks were, and the school board blamed the teachers! so then – all bets were off. I now leave the activities the same, I do not change the learning objective, but I add a video of me doing a lesson and explaining the activity for every subject. I am very proud of them and my parents love them. But they take a lot of work! I am working more now than I did when I was in school. Although if I wanted to, I could get by probably with less than half of the work I’m doing now. Yes, I'm pretty sure we are the same district. Yeah, the slides are soooo frustrating - one of DD's teachers in particular seems to have a hard time with them and has deleted all of DD's work one week (I saw and verified, it said deleted by <teachername>, and she still required DD to redo it all), has slides with illustrations that are smaller than a postage stamp and can't be enlarged but she has to write 2 paragraphs about it, etc. We've heard that the slide decks are the same across the district for every student in that class/grade level - is that the case? It would definitely explain why DS is being given work that seems mostly below what he's been doing in school. He's still elementary, and our elementary is one of the "good" ones, so I wouldn't be surprised if they are further along that some of the other schools. (It would also explain why DD seems to have a lot of work - she's in MS and not at one of the ones considered "good." It's been good for her, though, hence why I put "good" in quotation marks.) My daughter has been so happy to have the meetups this week. She said some of the teachers are practically crying, they are so happy to see the kids. And I'm so sure it's true - from both student and teacher sides, this format has reduced everyone to doing all of the drudgery of school without any of the good stuff. I don't blame my kids' teachers for anything here. Heck, if nothing else, they've all already shown me in the first 3/4 of the year that they care. Why would I suspect anything less just because they aren't in school?
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Post by luckyjune on May 8, 2020 15:27:30 GMT
Middle school teacher here.
First, let me say that daily, I am thankful that I do not have small children (or even teenagers) at home during this time. I'm watching my colleagues with kids in elementary school and I don't know how they are doing it. Hats off to all parents who are working from home and wrangling their kids' education as well. You are saints.
Second, I am sorry for the situations where the work going home feels impossible to parents. I think a lot of schools made the mistake of sending home what the teachers would normally teach. My department decided to stop what we were doing in class and design a quarantine curriculum. In other words, we send work that kids can do independently or with very little help from their parents. We've mixed review of skills with new work, and so far, we've been able to hold to our intent; parents are thankful for it.
Third, I don't know that I'm doing more work, but it is certainly different work. I don't feel emotionally exhausted at the end of the day (seeing 171 7th graders a day will do that to a person). Seeing kids on Zoom makes me realize how much I miss them. They send me the sweetest emails about how much they miss our classes and being all together.
Finally, when I hear about parents who want their kids to have more work or spend more time in virtual classes or the government pushes to open schools too early and without enough of a plan, I am acutely reminded that many people see schools as babysitting and...I don't even know how to respond to that anymore. We can't even get enough subs on a good day. If we go back too soon, I'm not sure what is going to happen once the teachers start to get sick.
And here's a PSA-When you hear of Bill Gates working with Andrew Cuomo to "reimagine education" in New York, be very concerned. Bill is a homegrown boy and I know that his money and influence do all kinds of good in the world, but he needs to butt out of education. He started the "school-within-a-school-" movement and it failed, so he pulled funding. Countless districts were left with infrastructures they could not afford without the funding from Gates. He was the funds and philosophy behind common core. He has since admitted it was a failure and provides no more funding. The rest of us are stuck with standards that are poorly written and in many cases, developmentally inappropriate. What is next? "Individualized Learning" which sounds great, but left unchecked, can become 100 kids in a room, on computers, monitored by a "coach" (read underpaid para-educator).
Okay! Off to my first Zoom meeting of the day!
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Post by seaexplore on May 8, 2020 15:29:41 GMT
Internet down again. I finished responding to emails at 10:30 last night. It was fine. 4:30 am? Down and still down. If it does not come back up in six minutes, the two teachers and one assistant will have difficulty teaching today! We were out for three hours one afternoon last week. And if we’re out so are some of my students. Ugghh. So not a fan. I’m not allowed in the school so can’t go there to access internet. Last week I had 4 days of internet on/off for hours. I was able to get a message out the wifi was messed up and to be patient. I live 35 min from school so driving in wasn’t really an option. My kids had internet. I played catch up for days!
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Post by seaexplore on May 8, 2020 15:32:15 GMT
Do most schools not use google classrooms and meet? Here the kids have been using google classrooms to turn in assignments since at least middle school. I assume the meet thing is new but assignments have been on the platform for a while. I’m glad that the teachers well most of them were used to it before this started. I’m not saying it didn’t take a lot of extra work to switch your teaching over but at least most were familiar with the software. I keep reading all of these other teachers' experiences and I thought the same thing. Google Classroom is so easy to use and it organizes everything for you, gives a platform to communicate with kids and they to communicate wit you, gives you a place to assign work and a place for the kids to submit work. Our school was already using it so for most kids it has been really easy to use. I wouldn't know how to do this without it. I'm using Google Meet, which is also super easy. Google Documents, Google Slides, Google has been my lifeline. I feel bad for schools that aren't using it. Classroom does not play well with Khan academy and Discovery Science.
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Post by seaexplore on May 8, 2020 15:36:40 GMT
She said on average 4 kids a day log in. They don’t care if it’s mandatory. Some kids have never logged in or done a single assignment. They and their parents are not responding to emails or phone calls. They act as if it’s optional. Then they shouldn't pass. Zero's for grades. If it's mandatory there should be repercussions if they are not doing the work. Our kids grades can’t drop lower than they were when we left 3/13. We were 8 assignments into third trimester at that point. Roughly 1/5 of the way in. Kids who a few assignments and killed it on a very easy 4 question quiz had great grades. Grades they would not have sustained had we continued in class instruction. They have done ZERO work for the last 8 weeks and will receive credit. I am BEYOND pissed about this.
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Post by Merge on May 8, 2020 15:40:15 GMT
She said on average 4 kids a day log in. They don’t care if it’s mandatory. Some kids have never logged in or done a single assignment. They and their parents are not responding to emails or phone calls. They act as if it’s optional. Then they shouldn't pass. Zero's for grades. If it's mandatory there should be repercussions if they are not doing the work. And what happens then when the majority of a grade level is retained for the following year? How does that work in terms of staffing, class sizes, curriculum and testing materials, room assignments, etc? What if most of the kids who didn’t do the work were academically ready for the next grade before we left school in March? Should they be required to repeat the grade anyway? Nothing is ever as simple as we should just do this or that.
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Post by iteach3rdgrade on May 8, 2020 15:45:43 GMT
I love SeeSaw. I offered it to my students and had 4 choose to use it. Most scanned work into Dojo since we used it all year. I was disappointed that Dojo couldn't be used like SeeSaw. I'm asking for $ next year so I can use SeeSaw. If they are familiar with it and it's the choice then they'll use it. I can provide more fun lessons, too! I really expected to use the tablet as a "book" and students just write on notebook paper, but parents wanted to print. Students don't have the opportunity to use paper as much. We have had so much trouble with getting the text and writing tools to work easily in Seesaw and it is frustrating the crap out of my kid. She would rather use her iPad when she can instead of her Chromebook, but moving and resizing the text boxes is troublesome and the drawing tools make the writing nearly illegible on a good day. Especially for math where there might be 8-10 problems on a page and all the answers have to be tiny, she’s banging her head into the wall by question #3 and just wants to print it out and do it with a pencil. I’m just glad we have a computer and printer so we can do that, but dang it’s frustrating. Or she will do half a page of work and then try to open up some music or something outside of Seesaw and when she goes back everything she’s already done didn’t save and has vanished. You would think after having that happen once she wouldn’t do it again, but noooooo. She’s done it like three times now and OMG the wailing that ensues! And I’m sitting there saying to myself, “how many times do you have to do the same dumb thing before you learn *not to do that* until you’re DONE with a task and have submitted it?” Good times, good times. How frustrating. We will probably never have google classroom so this might be our next best option. Hopefully we will be more prepared in the fall.
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Post by Country Ham on May 8, 2020 15:48:36 GMT
I hope districts will provide or are providing teachers computers if they are expecting them to teach online, but I obviously don't know (and would not be surprised if they are not providing them). For the first couple of weeks the teachers here were working on computers in their classrooms available to students from 8-11:30 each morning mon thru Friday. Not all teachers have the same work load. I can personally name one or two who are self admittedly lazy for example. I know teachers that are bragging on FB how they are not making their kids do the packets sent home etc. They sent an email to students saying "at home work" can not lower their grades but can improve them. I just don't have the kahoonahs to get on FB and call anyone lazy even the self admitted ones. Like all work force you cant' broad stroke the whole profession as either or. We all know people who go above and beyond, and people who do as little as they can. There are good teachers, bad teachers, good cops, bad cops, good nurses, bad nurses. good truck drivers, bad truck drivers. They are not all heros, and not all degenerates either. Just have respect for your fellow human beings in the end.
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