Cal State system cancels in-person thru fall

my child is paying $1000 a class.. and hates online classes. so we have some serious thinking about whether she will sign up in the fall for a class.. she is excelling in her japanese kanji class. but hard to take the chance. if anything, she will take a latin class --has already taken 3 yrs of latin in high school 15 yrs ago.

we see san francisco state out the front window.. and we miss her getting out of the house every day.

A local community college near me announced a couple of weeks ago that Fall will be online. This is in California too. Lot of students are upset that they are not getting the education they are paying for.

Too bad they can't offer students a discount.

My twins graduate high school this week. They were accepted to university in February.

Last month, after weeks of (not loving) online learning, they applied for a gap year for the 2020-2021 school year and it was accepted. We're so glad to not be sweating about next year while the schools all figure out how they're going to handle this.

The kids'll move out and work full time for a year. It take a couple part time jobs to get full time hours, but we own a rental they can live in, so they'll be okay for a year.

I have a couple neices & nephews who got sent away from university to finish the year taking classes at the kitchen table in their parents' homes. Not quite the bang for the bucks they spent, even with the dorm fees partially refunded.

I graduated from SFSU (teaching credential).

I had to take one online class for a special program I was enrolled in when I was teaching business law at community college. We read the lesson on our own time and then were required to participate in “class discussion” after each lesson. The class discussions were a complete waste of time and felt so contrived. (I was forever checking my list to see how many comments I had to make and how many replies to other’s comments I had to post).

I was asked shortly after that to teach an online course in business law and I refused. I’m sure some people are very good online teachers, but I knew I wouldn’t be one of them. My teaching style was all about challenging students to think for themselves by drawing them in to lively classroom discussions. I always knew I’d had a good class when I heard my students debating in the hallways after class.

I’m so sad. My high school senior has decided to go to a UC instead of out of state, I am so hopeful the UCs don’t do the same.

Eta- My current college freshman is doing ok with online classes (but doesn’t love them) and he will move up to his apartment in the fall regardless but my HS senior does horrible in online classes and is just so excited for college in the fall.

The problem is that most of the university costs do not get reduced at all because the classes are taught online.

Not surprised and probably the right call at this time. Kids would already be planning travel for summer orientations and dorm assignments, so they would need to call it earlier rather than later.

I hope colleges can survive this. All the international kids that come here and pay super high fees, kids that will decide it's not worth the cost without the whole "experience" (which is a BIG deal in CA) and delay attending or attend online community colleges instead, loss of all the athletic income from football, basketball, etc. on top of the income loss for all the local communities around them...it's going to take a huge toll.

They need to figure out a lower cost online way to keep kids attending or else they may not survive. This is really going to hurt some of the local communities pretty hard too with rental, retail and restaurant incomes lost during the school year. Along with all the on campus job losses. Colleges are typically the largest employers in towns.

We've added hospital workers to our unemployment numbers recently and next teachers from Kindergarten through college along with all the on campus personnel will be added in huge numbers with schools not opening.

DS just got his university acceptances last night (engineering - YAY!). I don't know how this all will translate into an online platform but I know that he will not be happy about missing out on the social aspect of his first year.

Yes, I agree. Fees should be reduced. Students are not getting nearly the same experience. 

Community colleges are all the rage now (according my university senior daughter). She's says Twitter is lit up over this. Why pay thousands to be online when you can reduce that cost substantially by going the junior college route for at least the first two years?

There are certain classes like studios or labs that students simply do not have the equipment at home to do.

Chem lab, physics lab, bio lab, structures lab

sculpture studio ( lack of power tools & welding ) even painting studio due to lack of proper ventilation and fire proof storage for oil painting.

Medical Dr, nurse & physical therapist clinical pretty impossible to do online

I’m sure there’s some I’m missing

Some students simply will not have access to the tools they need for the classes they need and will not be getting the appropriate education online. For some curriculum it is impossible. And for seniors there may not be alternate classes to take.

Freshmen gen ed classes - sure on line is fine. Lectures, online is fine. But there are some things that simply can’t not be taught without hands on experience.

Yes, it is sad. Understandable, logically you can make sense if the decision, but yes it is deeply sad.

I have a front seat for my university’s planning. The pressure to just take things online is high—universities have to plan and pay far in advance (eg, our employment contracts generally need to be signed before the next academic calendar year starts in July), and our distance learning experts at the university are not fans of the hyperflex model where you do part of the class in person and part online. There are also classroom limitations if you need to practice social distancing — I don’t think most universities have the classroom capacity you would need if you needed to have all classes in person but seat students six feet from each other. For that reason, I know we are considering options like having some classes online and some classes in person with social distancing; once some classes are online, again, the pressure is to take everything online.

I can’t speak for every kind of school, but we surveyed our students and they overwhelmingly want to be in person if possible.

They announced in Québec yesterday that universities and cegep’s would hold fall sessions online, including McGill.