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Post by pierogi on May 26, 2020 17:30:11 GMT
Just miles away, Eric Garner was murdered by the cops for selling loose cigarettes. They strangled him while he begged to breathe. She knew this could happen to Mr. Cooper and she still did what she did.
That woman needs to be criminally charged, and never be allowed in polite society again. If she wants to educate herself, that's on her. But she needs to face serious consequences and we need to send a message that this behavior will not be fucking tolerated.
Incidentally, I'm unsurprised at the animal cruelty. People who abuse animals, abuse other people.
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Post by sassyangel on May 26, 2020 17:30:37 GMT
She needs to be charged with a crime. What I don’t understand is - Everyone is saying she’s only sorry because she got caught and I don’t disagree with that at all. I don’t believe she’s sorry or that her apology is sincere. She’s sorry because she got doxxed and her employer found out. BUT, she’s a woman with a cell phone and a twitter account in 2020. She knew she was being recorded. How did she think this would end up? Why would you do that if you know you’re being recorded (not that it’s ok to do if you aren’t being recorded, but to do it when you know you are is another level of psycho)? That’s the weirdest part to me - she knew she was being recorded and STILL thought she was going to get away with it. She's a white woman. That power and privilege often leads us to believe we are invincible when we are not actively checking and investigating it. White supremacy's a helluva drug. I was going to say, there’s quite a lot of white privilege in the background dug up on her so far. She’s entitled, and thinks she’s untouchable. |
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Post by pierogi on May 26, 2020 17:32:17 GMT
This is exactly what struck me. Toward the end of the call she had absolute "terror" in her voice. If I'd only heard and not seen what was going on, I would've thought she was truly being attacked. The way she casually endangered this man's life is disgusting. She needs to face charges for false reporting at the very least. If you research racial violence I.e. lynchings or Massacres they most always begin with a lie a white woman told. Hundreds of thousands of black bodies have met a violent death because of a lie a white woman told. No one likes to talk about that. And of course no justice. Just continued behavior. Same Karen different decade. Yep. They should technically be called "Caroles." After Carole Bryant. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 26, 2020 17:32:19 GMT
Although the way she treated her dog was HORRIBLE, I think what I quoted above is what disturbed me the most. The way she progressed throughout the call was disgusting and if you were on the other end of that call the picture in your head had to be so much worse than what it was. The only thing causing her grief was her dog and that's because she was choking the poor guy the entire time. This is exactly what struck me. Toward the end of the call she had absolute "terror" in her voice. If I'd only heard and not seen what was going on, I would've thought she was truly being attacked. The way she casually endangered this man's life is disgusting. She needs to face charges for false reporting at the very least. When my hubby was in training, he was constantly taught that people go by what they hear vs what they see. This is a perfect example of how one can be fooled by that. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 26, 2020 17:33:58 GMT
She needs to be charged with a crime. What I don’t understand is - Everyone is saying she’s only sorry because she got caught and I don’t disagree with that at all. I don’t believe she’s sorry or that her apology is sincere. She’s sorry because she got doxxed and her employer found out. BUT, she’s a woman with a cell phone and a twitter account in 2020. She knew she was being recorded. How did she think this would end up? Why would you do that if you know you’re being recorded (not that it’s ok to do if you aren’t being recorded, but to do it when you know you are is another level of psycho)? That’s the weirdest part to me - she knew she was being recorded and STILL thought she was going to get away with it. I can agree with this 100% That racist bitch is not sorry one bit. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 26, 2020 17:36:09 GMT
Racist bitch. Also, that dog belongs with someone equipped to take care of it. The way she handled it! I'm glad that man recorded, because she FULLY weaponized her whiteness. Like, immediately. And she knew exactly what she was doing. "I will tell them an African American man threatened me." Lying piece of shit. She deserves to be ruined. She didn't think twice about the implications of her actions. Now she will think about her actions forever. 1,000,000 times this. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on May 26, 2020 17:36:55 GMT
While I acknowledge her treatment of the dog is atrocious, I have read this thread several times, and note that more compassion and acknowledgment is being shown to the dog, then to the real victim. I couldn't watch the video because of the dog. I did read the thread, and YES- what she did to him was atrocious. Just because I didn't come back to say that doesn't mean I don't think she's a horrible excuse for a human or that I have more feelings for the dog than for him. (but she was physically choking the dog, so she *was* physically harming the dog in those few moments that I could bring myself to watch.) |
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Post by thundergal on May 26, 2020 17:38:45 GMT
A human being has to say this. Black and brown human beings have to make decisions like this all. the. fucking. time. Can you imagine how exhausting it would be to live like that? Exhausting is only one of many words I could use. And that is white privilege. While I acknowledge her treatment of the dog is atrocious, I have read this thread several times, and note that more compassion and acknowledgment is being shown to the dog, then to the real victim. Huh. I'm not reading it that way at all. I see horror being conveyed about the whole dam thing. I feel like if you think the peas who have posted here in outrage care more about the dog than about Mr. Cooper, you're reading it way differently than I am. |
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Post by Zee on May 26, 2020 17:55:45 GMT
A couple years ago we started a book discussion here about White Fragility and understanding our own roles, as white women, in helping institutional racism exist and thrive. (Thank you SockMonkey) I'm on my phone and searching and linking old threads here isn't very easy but that book was a real turning point for me, who definitely did not consider herself a racist. It will make you feel very defensive, perhaps upset, but that's where the real self-realization begins. Anyway not to derail this discussion but just a reminder that there are tools we can use that don't come at the expense of a black person's time or teaching. I think openly listening to black voices on their experiences is just as important as reading a book, of course. But it's a good starting point for self-reflection. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 26, 2020 17:59:38 GMT
Is under what she would have done if he had turned off the camera...
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Post by Layce on May 26, 2020 18:00:22 GMT
Just saw it on FB and knew the Peas would be all over it.. THIS IS HORRIBLE. She literally worked herself up to a frenzy to be WHITE and RIGHT SOOO glad there is documentation and that nothing violent happened. Well, there's the dog, poor thing. She does not deserve to get him back. Ahmaud Arbery's murder had video as well, and we all know how that ended. I hate to think of how this walk in the park could have escalated to tragedy in the same way. I read that she's taken down all her social media since this went viral... No, AMY COOPER, all this is not going to blow over. And that apology?  Layce Info on The Woman |
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Post by busy on May 26, 2020 18:02:40 GMT
She didn't think twice about the implications of her actions. Oh, I absolutely think she thought about the implications of her actions... that's why she did what she did. She was taking the bet that she'd come out ahead. She's disgusting. |
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Post by elaine on May 26, 2020 18:05:20 GMT
Olan , you said the other day that you didn’t want me to talk to you and that you weren’t going to engage over my comment/question. Yet, you did on the thread. I let you have the last word, even though it was a blatant lie. If you are going to start following me around and commenting, I refuse to just sit here silently and let you continue to be a lying jerk. So, make your your mind. Do you want to have a mutual “no engage” pact, or are we going back to where we were before and ”talking” ? Because, if you continue, I will respond. your comment was the single most hurtful comment a pea had made to me here and I’m sure you remember the number of times my sanity was called into question or someone labeled me a bitter black woman. I have no doubt regarding the findings of the study. Which is incredibly depressing and wrong. And, I would also add that one's interpersonal communication style also impacts how one is treated, regardless of race. If the OP speaks to people IRL as she does here, I would not be surprised if she received less-than-polite responses/treatment in return. It may look benign to someone else reading but nothing I’ve ever said here would warrant the police being less than polite to me. Not a single thing. And we know what less than polite looks like for a Black woman. We have Sandra Bland, Chikesia Clemons, Dajerria Becton and now Breonna Taylor as examples. No black citizen is deserving of the poor treatment we receive. If Amy can lie and scream about a black man harassing her without consequence you’d think I could make some snarky comments on a message board and still walk away alive. When you defend elaine you are condoning the racist thing she said to me and trust and believe if elaine encounters a black woman like these Karen’s caught on tape she would behave in a way that wouldn’t at all surprise me but might surprise you. I’ve asked Elaine more than once both privately and publicly to stop engaging with me in a way that would make someone think we have no history and are BFF’s. That has never stopped her in the years since she said it. I don’t even have that expectation anymore. I will call out shit behavior no matter how loved the pea is especially when it was such a personal attack against me. Polite treatment of black women by police: amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/01/05/us/texas-mckinney-pool-party-officer-lawsuit/index.htmlyoutu.be/a3eI5F-AUVwwww.nytimes.com/2019/05/07/us/sandra-bland-video-brian-encinia.htmlThe June 2017 thread that started it all: 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/62666/updated-police-speak-respectfully-driversOlan my post history won’t show me ever following Elaine around to get a rise out of her. I usually make a choice not to engage with Elaine because I think people like her live in the personal hell of their own karma and doings so why bother. Today I thought it especially rich she come here acting like she is any better a woman than Amy Cooper. You aren’t Elaine. Like I said above peas have said way more personal things but what you said really was a turning point as far as pea interactions go for me. I’ve never forgot it. Olan, I am doing the rest of the people who wish to discuss the actual topic a favor and not follow you down your version of the crazy highway. Talking sense with you gets nowhere. You asked me not to talk to you 2 days ago and then have made at least 3 comments to me since then, including on this thread. So, I’ll ask once again, what do you want? To talk with me, or not? Because I’m not your personal punching bag that needs to silently listen to your revisionist history at my expense. So, if you want me to leave you alone, then practice what you preach. 'That man'? For real? She doesn't know his name by now? Hell, he has the same last name that she does. If you are truly sorry (and she isn't) apologize to Christian Cooper. Not just to 'that man'. I agree. She just further dehumanizes him by not referring him by name, because it isn’t like she couldn’t remember his last name...  |
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 26, 2020 18:09:01 GMT
While I acknowledge her treatment of the dog is atrocious, I have read this thread several times, and note that more compassion and acknowledgment is being shown to the dog, then to the real victim. I couldn't watch the video because of the dog. I did read the thread, and YES- what she did to him was atrocious. Just because I didn't come back to say that doesn't mean I don't think she's a horrible excuse for a human or that I have more feelings for the dog than for him. (but she was physically choking the dog, so she *was* physically harming the dog in those few moments that I could bring myself to watch.) This is how I felt about it too. As awful as it was to do what she did to Mr. Cooper (and it WAS awful), she was yanking that dog around by the neck! |
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Post by Olan on May 26, 2020 18:12:23 GMT
I couldn't watch the video because of the dog. I did read the thread, and YES- what she did to him was atrocious. Just because I didn't come back to say that doesn't mean I don't think she's a horrible excuse for a human or that I have more feelings for the dog than for him. (but she was physically choking the dog, so she *was* physically harming the dog in those few moments that I could bring myself to watch.) This is how I felt about it too. As awful as it was to do what she did to Mr. Cooper (and it WAS awful), she was yanking that dog around by the neck! I’ve noted this on 2peas and I will say it again. If dogs were treated the way black people are in America white women would flood the streets. It’s a sad reality I’ve known since I was a kid. Many white people care more about animals than black people and it shows. |
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Post by SockMonkey on May 26, 2020 18:18:20 GMT
This is how I felt about it too. As awful as it was to do what she did to Mr. Cooper (and it WAS awful), she was yanking that dog around by the neck! I’ve noted this on 2peas and I will say it again. If dogs were treated the way black people are in America white women would flood the streets. It’s a sad reality I’ve known since I was a kid. Many white people care more about animals than black people and it shows. This is something noticed and commented on by a number of black people I follow on Twitter. Would the video have gotten as much traction or created as much shock among white people, especially white women, if she’d been kind to the dog? A question we white people need to reflect on. (My thought - it wouldn’t have.) |
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Post by inkedup on May 26, 2020 18:22:34 GMT
I think it’s great that we have the technology to record what would not have been believed 20 years ago. Yeah. That. Fuck. Every. Last. Police. Officer. That. Allowed. This. Man. To. Be. Murdered. Cowards and bullies. The cop trying to block the citizens from filming looks like he'd shoot at his own shadow out of fear. A woman in the crowd screams out that she is a first responder and asks them to check the murder victim's pulse. (Which was not done at any point in the video.) The little bitch with the gun tells her she is being "unprofessional". While he stands passively and allows his colleague to murder a man. I guess murdering innocent black people *is* how most "professional" police work, though. |
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Post by Zee on May 26, 2020 18:22:41 GMT
I’ve noted this on 2peas and I will say it again. If dogs were treated the way black people are in America white women would flood the streets. It’s a sad reality I’ve known since I was a kid. Many white people care more about animals than black people and it shows. This is something noticed and commented on by a number of black people I follow on Twitter. Would the video have gotten as much traction or created as much shock among white people, especially white women, if she’d been kind to the dog? A question we white people need to reflect on. (My thought - it wouldn’t have.) I noticed as well. |
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Post by Olan on May 26, 2020 18:27:19 GMT
elaine your comment was the single most hurtful comment a pea had made to me here and I’m sure you remember the number of times my sanity was called into question or someone labeled me a bitter black woman. It may look benign to someone else reading but nothing I’ve ever said here would warrant the police being less than polite to me. Not a single thing. And we know what less than polite looks like for a Black woman. We have Sandra Bland, Chikesia Clemons, Dajerria Becton and now Breonna Taylor as examples. No black citizen is deserving of the poor treatment we receive. If Amy can lie and scream about a black man harassing her without consequence you’d think I could make some snarky comments on a message board and still walk away alive. When you defend elaine you are condoning the racist thing she said to me and trust and believe if elaine encounters a black woman like these Karen’s caught on tape she would behave in a way that wouldn’t at all surprise me but might surprise you. I’ve asked Elaine more than once both privately and publicly to stop engaging with me in a way that would make someone think we have no history and are BFF’s. That has never stopped her in the years since she said it. I don’t even have that expectation anymore. I will call out shit behavior no matter how loved the pea is especially when it was such a personal attack against me. Polite treatment of black women by police: amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/01/05/us/texas-mckinney-pool-party-officer-lawsuit/index.htmlyoutu.be/a3eI5F-AUVwwww.nytimes.com/2019/05/07/us/sandra-bland-video-brian-encinia.htmlThe June 2017 thread that started it all: 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/62666/updated-police-speak-respectfully-driversOlan my post history won’t show me ever following Elaine-Wohlgemuth Shilling around to get a rise out of her. I usually make a choice not to engage with Elaine-Wohlgemuth Shilling because I think people like her live in the personal hell of their own karma and doings so why bother. Today I thought it especially rich she come here acting like she is any better a woman than Amy Cooper. You aren’t Elaine-Wohlgemuth Shilling. Like I said above peas have said way more personal things but what you said really was a turning point as far as pea interactions go for me. I’ve never forgot it. Olan, I am doing the rest of the people who wish to discuss the actual topic a favor and not follow you down your version of the crazy highway. Talking sense with you gets nowhere. You asked me not to talk to you 2 days ago and then have made at least 3 comments to me since then, including on this thread. So, I’ll ask once again, what do you want? To talk with me, or not? Because I’m not your personal punching bag that needs to silently listen to your revisionist history at my expense. So, if you want me to leave you alone, then practice what you preach. 'That man'? For real? She doesn't know his name by now? Hell, he has the same last name that she does. If you are truly sorry (and she isn't) apologize to Christian Cooper. Not just to 'that man'. I agree. She just further dehumanizes him by not referring him by name, because it isn’t like she couldn’t remember his last name... Amy Cooper didn’t like him questioning her perceived authority so she called the police. You don’t like the manner in which I’ve called white women out so if the police harm me (which isn’t super unlikely sad to say) you’d be in the comment section of the news story talking about how I said something on a message board that warrants my family burying me. Imagine saying “Hey peas I’m afraid to call the police and was just a victim of a home burglary” and someone responding “well you are a bitch here so who cares”. Everyone would call me an asshole and they’d be right. You made a racist comment, made your victim look like an aggressive angry bitch, and then defended your comment years later even with all the dead Black people who did nothing but have one “impolite” encounter with the police. As a mother of an autistic son who may encounter the police one day you’d think you would have more empathy for black people and the fear we have when dealing with police. I can’t even count the number of times I’ve said hey elaine Elaine-Wohlgemuth Shilling we don’t like each other so just steer clear of me. You haven’t and when I don’t feel like it I won’t either. |
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Post by elaine on May 26, 2020 18:31:26 GMT
Olan, I am doing the rest of the people who wish to discuss the actual topic a favor and not follow you down your version of the crazy highway. Talking sense with you gets nowhere. You asked me not to talk to you 2 days ago and then have made at least 3 comments to me since then, including on this thread. So, I’ll ask once again, what do you want? To talk with me, or not? Because I’m not your personal punching bag that needs to silently listen to your revisionist history at my expense. So, if you want me to leave you alone, then practice what you preach. I agree. She just further dehumanizes him by not referring him by name, because it isn’t like she couldn’t remember his last name...  Amy Cooper didn’t like him questioning her perceived authority so she called the police. You don’t like the manner in which I’ve called white women out so if the police harm me (which isn’t super unlikely sad to say) you’d be in the comment section of the news story talking about how I said something on a message board that warrants my family burying me. Imagine saying “Hey peas I’m afraid to call the police and was just a victim of a home burglary” and someone responding “well you are a bitch here so who cares”. Everyone would call me an asshole and they’d be right. You made a racist comment, made your victim look like an aggressive angry bitch, and then defended your comment years later even with all the dead Black people who did nothing but have one “impolite” encounter with the police. As a mother of an autistic son who may encounter the police one day you’d think you would have more empathy for black people and the fear we have when dealing with police. So, you do want to discuss with me after all the dramatics about wanting to be left alone? Why not respect everyone else on this thread and start your own thread to continue to spew your garbage on? I’ll talk with you there. |
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on May 26, 2020 18:40:32 GMT
A few thoughts: 1. She is a horrible person. No ifs, ands, or buts.  2. I am glad she was put on administrative leave, and I hope she is fired. No matter what, she can not be trusted to deal with a multi-racial public or workplace in a fair manner. If she is ever accused of bias in her job, this video will be exhibit 1. 3. After she is fired, I hope she is happy working at a minimum wage job, because no company will offer a corporate/professional job once they google her in the application process. And I am okay with that. She was willing to risk this man's life/reputation/livelihood with a false arrest, and if the tables are now turned and her life is ruined by her recorded actions, oh well! 4. I used to think that the true way to measure one's character was how they behaved when no one was watching, but I am now amazed at how bold some are to engage in such behavior when they know the WORLD will be watching on a viral video. and on a less serious note, 5. Did anyone else notice that her name would have been Amy Farafowler's married name if she had taken Sheldon's last name? |
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Post by Dallie on May 26, 2020 18:41:51 GMT
What struck me in watching it again, is that the bitch was doing to her dog, what she tried to do to Mr.Cooper...hang him by the neck.
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Post by ToniW on May 26, 2020 18:52:38 GMT
She was terminated from her job.
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Post by shevy on May 26, 2020 19:00:34 GMT
She was terminated from her job. Good. Actions have consequences. And as an adult, she should know that. Especially in today's social media. |
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Post by SockMonkey on May 26, 2020 19:01:48 GMT
So, it’s on people of color, or to be more specific, Black people, to educate her and bring her around? I want to clarify and push back on this a little. Nah. It’s on fellow white people to hold her accountable. And if she’s ready to learn (Narrator: she is not), there are many books and resources. So, yes, she should be listening to and learning from people of color, but not at their peril, with their free labor or time. She can buy the books and do her own internal work first. I never said it needed to be Black peoples free labor or time. I also never said Black People need to educate her. I said she needs to listen and learn. Which is something all of us could do more of. She needs to take it upon herself to do whatever work needs to be done. But I do think Black people can offer an insight that *I* as a white person could never because I have never been afraid to live because of my skin color. The bulk (and beginning) of the work starts with her - her wanting to do better, and be better. And it starts with people calling her out on her bullshit (her bullshit actions and bullshit apology). It starts with her honestly realizing she is racist and wanting to do the internal work. Thank you. I would like to clarify that I agree that listening to black people is extremely important, but that very often this turns into white folks demanding the time and free labor of black people, wanting to unload their own racial guilt. Thus my pushback on your initial comment. I think we are on the same page. Listening in this case would need to be in the form of reading and processing with other white people so as not to further traumatize black people. Not that she has any in her life... I'd be surprised if that's the case. |
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Post by SockMonkey on May 26, 2020 19:06:34 GMT
elaine, I respect you, so I'm going to say this. Olan perceives you made a racist comment to her. I feel like your conversations have been unproductive with each other at this point, but what if you just radically listened? I don't know the backstory here, but I feel like the only way to move forward is for you to listen and acknowledge the hurt.
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Post by busy on May 26, 2020 19:09:30 GMT
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Post by elaine on May 26, 2020 19:14:10 GMT
elaine , I respect you, so I'm going to say this. Olan perceives you made a racist comment to her. I feel like your conversations have been unproductive with each other at this point, but what if you just radically listened? I don't know the backstory here, but I feel like the only way to move forward is for you to listen and acknowledge the hurt. You are right, you don’t know the backstory. And I believe, in my professional heart, that there is no moving forward. I also think you are making some pretty ballsy and incorrect assumptions that I haven’t listened to her over the past several YEARS that this has dragged on. But, at least you are consistent in your unwavering support of Olan regardless of what she says or does to anyone here. This time at my expense. |
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Post by ComplicatedLady on May 26, 2020 19:14:46 GMT
He. Was. Bird. Watching. In. The. Park.
Is there a less threatening activity than that?
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Post by chlerbie on May 26, 2020 19:16:41 GMT
Unbelievable. An Academy Award worthy performance in trying to get a fellow human being at the LEAST arrested, but she had to know it could have further escalated. I'm so glad that she's gotten the blowback from this that she so richly deserved.
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