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Post by smcast on May 26, 2020 19:16:48 GMT
She didn't think twice about the implications of her actions. Oh, I absolutely think she thought about the implications of her actions... that's why she did what she did. She was taking the bet that she'd come out ahead. She's disgusting. You bet. Very manipulative. I can't adequately type how I feel about people like this. 🤬 |
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Post by sassyangel on May 26, 2020 19:23:19 GMT
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Post by Olan on May 26, 2020 19:23:20 GMT
elaine, I respect you, so I'm going to say this. Olan perceives you made a racist comment to her. I feel like your conversations have been unproductive with each other at this point, but what if you just radically listened? I don't know the backstory here, but I feel like the only way to move forward is for you to listen and acknowledge the hurt. There is no backstory. Even if Elaine-Wohlgemuth Shilling tries to create it when I’ve linked both our posting histories and mine is so easy to look through though I hope you’d focus more on the countless links I’ve posted here and not what Elaine-Wohlgemuth Shilling says in between them. She lies because she knows people hate me more than they care to track down the truth. Also I don’t have more to say to Elaine-Wohlgemuth Shilling outside of what is contained in this thread or what I’ve already said in years past. Maintaining my peace is important to me. Joy is the biggest resistance to racist assholes and desire to be VIEWED as right on a message board doesn’t get me excited anymore. Elaine-Wohlgemuth Shilling has requested I start a new thread to call her out because you know I am sooooo off topic haha letting us know how attention seeking her behavior is. Would a “professional” who thinks I am beyond help open a thread I’ve started and attempt to argue me down about facts and then find me in another thread and ask me what I thought about political candidates? Why? If I thought someone never made sense or was mentally ill that would be the last person on the message board I’d interact with. |
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Post by thundergal on May 26, 2020 19:54:01 GMT
Comparing Elaine to Amy Cooper is some shit. If it's come to that, I don't see how the situation is mended. JMHO.
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Post by SockMonkey on May 26, 2020 19:54:18 GMT
elaine , I respect you, so I'm going to say this. Olan perceives you made a racist comment to her. I feel like your conversations have been unproductive with each other at this point, but what if you just radically listened? I don't know the backstory here, but I feel like the only way to move forward is for you to listen and acknowledge the hurt. There is no backstory. Even if she tries to create it when I’ve linked both our posting histories and mine is so easy to look through though I hope you’d focus more on the countless links I’ve posted here and not what Elaine says in between them. She lies because she knows people hate me more than they care to track down the truth. Also I don’t have more to say to Elaine outside of what is contained in this thread or what I’ve already said in years past. Maintaining my peace is important to me. Joy is the biggest resistance to racist assholes and desire to be VIEWED as right on a message board doesn’t get me excited anymore. Elaine has requested I start a new thread to call her out because you know I am sooooo off topic haha letting us know how attention seeking her behavior is. Would a “professional” who thinks I am beyond help open a thread I’ve started and attempt to argue me down about facts and then find me in another thread and ask me what I thought about political candidates? Why? If I thought someone never made sense or was mentally ill that would be the last person on the message board I’d interact with. Thank you for responding. I have to confess that I did not look back through the links, but I will because I want to understand, and that's on me. I hear you that your peace is important. |
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Post by SockMonkey on May 26, 2020 19:59:25 GMT
elaine , I respect you, so I'm going to say this. Olan perceives you made a racist comment to her. I feel like your conversations have been unproductive with each other at this point, but what if you just radically listened? I don't know the backstory here, but I feel like the only way to move forward is for you to listen and acknowledge the hurt. You are right, you don’t know the backstory. And I believe, in my professional heart, that there is no moving forward. I also think you are making some pretty ballsy and incorrect assumptions that I haven’t listened to her over the past several YEARS that this has dragged on. But, at least you are consistent in your unwavering support of Olan regardless of what she says or does to anyone here. This time at my expense. I'm going to go back and read the links as Olan suggested. I feel crazy, because I want to understand what's happening here and I just don't. I can only speak to what I saw; a black woman telling a white woman that a racist comment was made, and a white woman getting defensive. I don't have all the info, but that's what I saw. What is unwavering support? I don't post on every thread she starts, and we don't interact that often. I guess I don't know what Olan has done to anyone here, other than question, post things that challenge white people to reflect. I will take some time to read the past history here, because two people whose perspectives I typically enjoy are engaged in a battle that really confounds me. |
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Post by inkedup on May 26, 2020 19:59:36 GMT
She didn't think twice about the implications of her actions. Oh, I absolutely think she thought about the implications of her actions... that's why she did what she did. She was taking the bet that she'd come out ahead. She's disgusting. I agree completely. What I wanted to say was that she didn't think twice about the way her actions would affect *her*. She didn't give a damn about man she was falsely accusing of attacking her. She figured she'd tell the police about the scary black man and go on her entitled way. |
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Post by Olan on May 26, 2020 19:59:59 GMT
Comparing Elaine to Amy Cooper is some shit. If it's come to that, I don't see how the situation is mended. JMHO. Amy Cooper is likely loved by people and no one would expect she say what she said or treat Mr. Cooper how she treated them but she did. There is no difference between Cooper and Elaine-Wohlgemuth Shilling. She made a racist comment to me because she didn’t like how I spoke to her and Amy Cooper didn’t like how Mr. Cooper spoke to her. She didn’t like being challenged just like many of you don’t. It’s not that huge a jump. To say someone deserves to be met with poor treatment by police. Especially a black woman knowing how heinous LEO have treated people who look like me in the past. How much more hurtful could you be? And to have other women excuse it simply because they don’t like me really compounded the hurt. |
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Post by inkedup on May 26, 2020 20:06:07 GMT
Comparing Elaine to Amy Cooper is some shit. If it's come to that, I don't see how the situation is mended. JMHO. Amy Cooper is likely loved by people and no one would expect she say what she said or treat Mr. Cooper how she treated them but she did. There is no difference between Cooper and Elaine. She made a racist comment to me because she didn’t like how I spoke to her and Amy Cooper didn’t like how Mr. Cooper spoke to her. She didn’t like being challenged just like many of you don’t. It’s not that huge a jump. To say someone deserves to be met with poor treatment by police. Especially a black woman knowing how heinous LEO have treated people who look like me in the past. How much more hurtful could you be. And to have other women excuse it simply because they don’t like me really compounded the hurt. I thought you were through engaging elaine? You are a fucking bully. |
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Post by elaine on May 26, 2020 20:12:35 GMT
You are right, you don’t know the backstory. And I believe, in my professional heart, that there is no moving forward. I also think you are making some pretty ballsy and incorrect assumptions that I haven’t listened to her over the past several YEARS that this has dragged on. But, at least you are consistent in your unwavering support of Olan regardless of what she says or does to anyone here. This time at my expense. I'm going to go back and read the links as Olan suggested. I feel crazy, because I want to understand what's happening here and I just don't. I can only speak to what I saw; a black woman telling a white woman that a racist comment was made, and a white woman getting defensive. I don't have all the info, but that's what I saw. What is unwavering support? I don't post on every thread she starts, and we don't interact that often. I guess I don't know what Olan has done to anyone here, other than question, post things that challenge white people to reflect. I will take some time to read the past history here, because two people whose perspectives I typically enjoy are engaged in a battle that really confounds me. See, you focus on only part of the interaction. Your view of the whole situation on this thread is that Olan told me she found racist something that I said 3 years ago (something that we’ve rehashed at least a dozen or two times since then) and that I got defensive. You completely ignore all the name-calling and the comparing me to someone who actively tried to have a man killed-by-police. And that is just on this thread. I don’t have the links, but it has felt to me like you have engaged in similar selective focus in regards to Olan’s behavior to me in the past. You certainly are more than welcome to do whatever you want to, but it is somewhat disingenuous from my point of view to view yourself as some impartial peacemaker between Olan and myself or anyone else on the board. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 26, 2020 20:14:40 GMT
This is how I felt about it too. As awful as it was to do what she did to Mr. Cooper (and it WAS awful), she was yanking that dog around by the neck! I’ve noted this on 2peas and I will say it again. If dogs were treated the way black people are in America white women would flood the streets. It’s a sad reality I’ve known since I was a kid. Many white people care more about animals than black people and it shows. That isn’t the case here Olan. I don’t see one person saying that the dogs treatment was worse than Mr. Cooper. A person is free to state that both abuses are horrid. But again, I don’t see one single post here on this thread that lends to your statement. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 26, 2020 20:17:55 GMT
I’ve noted this on 2peas and I will say it again. If dogs were treated the way black people are in America white women would flood the streets. It’s a sad reality I’ve known since I was a kid. Many white people care more about animals than black people and it shows. This is something noticed and commented on by a number of black people I follow on Twitter. Would the video have gotten as much traction or created as much shock among white people, especially white women, if she’d been kind to the dog? A question we white people need to reflect on. (My thought - it wouldn’t have.) After reading crap tons of comments from Twitter, and other social media, I don’t think that it is even close to the majority to be that way—I clearly saw outrage at her lying phone call and what she said about Mr. Cooper. To be honest, I did not even notice her treatment of the dog in the first few times I watched the video. |
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Post by SockMonkey on May 26, 2020 20:18:46 GMT
I'm going to go back and read the links as Olan suggested. I feel crazy, because I want to understand what's happening here and I just don't. I can only speak to what I saw; a black woman telling a white woman that a racist comment was made, and a white woman getting defensive. I don't have all the info, but that's what I saw. What is unwavering support? I don't post on every thread she starts, and we don't interact that often. I guess I don't know what Olan has done to anyone here, other than question, post things that challenge white people to reflect. I will take some time to read the past history here, because two people whose perspectives I typically enjoy are engaged in a battle that really confounds me. See, you focus on only part of the interaction. Your view of the whole situation on this thread is that Olan told me she found racist something that I said 3 years ago (something that we’ve rehashed at least a dozen or two times since then) and that I got defensive. You completely ignore all the name-calling and the comparing me to someone who actively tried to have a man killed-by-police. And that is just on this thread. I don’t have the links, but it has felt to me like you have engaged in similar selective focus in regards to Olan’s behavior to me in the past. You certainly are more than welcome to do whatever you want to, but it is somewhat disingenuous from my point of view to view yourself as some impartial peacemaker between Olan and myself or anyone else on the board. I really do not remember these past interactions in the same way you do. I'm not trying to be a peacemaker, either, actually. I'm asking you to reflect, as one white woman to another, on how you're responding to a woman of color who is upset by something you said. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 26, 2020 20:19:51 GMT
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Post by inkedup on May 26, 2020 20:21:05 GMT
I'm going to go back and read the links as Olan suggested. I feel crazy, because I want to understand what's happening here and I just don't. I can only speak to what I saw; a black woman telling a white woman that a racist comment was made, and a white woman getting defensive. I don't have all the info, but that's what I saw. What is unwavering support? I don't post on every thread she starts, and we don't interact that often. I guess I don't know what Olan has done to anyone here, other than question, post things that challenge white people to reflect. I will take some time to read the past history here, because two people whose perspectives I typically enjoy are engaged in a battle that really confounds me. See, you focus on only part of the interaction. Your view of the whole situation on this thread is that Olan told me she found racist something that I said 3 years ago (something that we’ve rehashed at least a dozen or two times since then) and that I got defensive. You completely ignore all the name-calling and the comparing me to someone who actively tried to have a man killed-by-police. And that is just on this thread. I don’t have the links, but it has felt to me like you have engaged in similar selective focus in regards to Olan’s behavior to me in the past. You certainly are more than welcome to do whatever you want to, but it is somewhat disingenuous from my point of view to view yourself as some impartial peacemaker between Olan and myself or anyone else on the board. Also completely ignoring the fact that Olan doxed you and put your full name, city and other identifying details up for the world to see. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 26, 2020 20:22:46 GMT
elaine, I respect you, so I'm going to say this. Olan perceives you made a racist comment to her. I feel like your conversations have been unproductive with each other at this point, but what if you just radically listened? I don't know the backstory here, but I feel like the only way to move forward is for you to listen and acknowledge the hurt. There is no backstory. Even if she tries to create it when I’ve linked both our posting histories and mine is so easy to look through though I hope you’d focus more on the countless links I’ve posted here and not what Elaine says in between them. She lies because she knows people hate me more than they care to track down the truth. Also I don’t have more to say to Elaine outside of what is contained in this thread or what I’ve already said in years past. Maintaining my peace is important to me. Joy is the biggest resistance to racist assholes and desire to be VIEWED as right on a message board doesn’t get me excited anymore. Elaine has requested I start a new thread to call her out because you know I am sooooo off topic haha letting us know how attention seeking her behavior is. Would a “professional” who thinks I am beyond help open a thread I’ve started and attempt to argue me down about facts and then find me in another thread and ask me what I thought about political candidates? Why? If I thought someone never made sense or was mentally ill that would be the last person on the message board I’d interact with. This post Olan, is just not true/nor accurate. |
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Post by mom on May 26, 2020 20:23:56 GMT
elaine , I respect you, so I'm going to say this. Olan perceives you made a racist comment to her. I feel like your conversations have been unproductive with each other at this point, but what if you just radically listened? I don't know the backstory here, but I feel like the only way to move forward is for you to listen and acknowledge the hurt. There is no backstory. Even if she tries to create it when I’ve linked both our posting histories and mine is so easy to look through though I hope you’d focus more on the countless links I’ve posted here and not what Elaine says in between them. She lies because she knows people hate me more than they care to track down the truth. Also I don’t have more to say to Elaine outside of what is contained in this thread or what I’ve already said in years past. Maintaining my peace is important to me. Joy is the biggest resistance to racist assholes and desire to be VIEWED as right on a message board doesn’t get me excited anymore. Elaine has requested I start a new thread to call her out because you know I am sooooo off topic haha letting us know how attention seeking her behavior is. Would a “professional” who thinks I am beyond help open a thread I’ve started and attempt to argue me down about facts and then find me in another thread and ask me what I thought about political candidates? Why? If I thought someone never made sense or was mentally ill that would be the last person on the message board I’d interact with. , if this is true then let elaine be. She can be right. She can be wrong. It shouldn't matter to you if you are truly wanting joy. You aren't spreading joy when you harp on this at every chance you get. If anything, harping on Elaine nonstop takes away credibility from you because it always turns nasty and the conversation at hand gets ignored because no one wants to read the noise of you two fighting about past differences. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 26, 2020 20:24:02 GMT
Amy Cooper is likely loved by people and no one would expect she say what she said or treat Mr. Cooper how she treated them but she did. There is no difference between Cooper and Elaine. She made a racist comment to me because she didn’t like how I spoke to her and Amy Cooper didn’t like how Mr. Cooper spoke to her. She didn’t like being challenged just like many of you don’t. It’s not that huge a jump. To say someone deserves to be met with poor treatment by police. Especially a black woman knowing how heinous LEO have treated people who look like me in the past. How much more hurtful could you be. And to have other women excuse it simply because they don’t like me really compounded the hurt. I thought you were through engaging elaine? You are a fucking bully. Oh my God THANK YOU. ❤️❤️❤️❤️ |
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Post by Olan on May 26, 2020 20:24:53 GMT
See, you focus on only part of the interaction. Your view of the whole situation on this thread is that Olan told me she found racist something that I said 3 years ago (something that we’ve rehashed at least a dozen or two times since then) and that I got defensive. You completely ignore all the name-calling and the comparing me to someone who actively tried to have a man killed-by-police. And that is just on this thread. I don’t have the links, but it has felt to me like you have engaged in similar selective focus in regards to Olan’s behavior to me in the past. You certainly are more than welcome to do whatever you want to, but it is somewhat disingenuous from my point of view to view yourself as some impartial peacemaker between Olan and myself or anyone else on the board. I really do not remember these past interactions in the same way you do. I'm not trying to be a peacemaker, either, actually. I'm asking you to reflect, as one white woman to another, on how you're responding to a woman of color who is upset by something you said. Elaine-Wohlgemuth Shilling would have to be very un-Amy Cooper like for introspective behavior to seem like the right thing to do. And when I mean I am done engaging Elaine-Wohlgemuth Shilling I mean her specifically. There is nothing she can say or do to change how I feel about our interactions because the time to apologize has come and went. Nothing and I mean absolutely nothing personal transpired between she and I before she made the comment she did. Anger gets the best of racist people sometimes but just because their behavior isn’t “as bad” as Amy Coopers doesn’t make them any less a racist asshole. You think she set out that day to be video taped and her life ruined. No it’s underlying feelings+anger. I stand by the fact that NOTHING I’ve ever said here at 2peas either directly or indirectly should warrant me having a poor experience with public servants I pay to protect and serve me. |
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Post by SockMonkey on May 26, 2020 20:25:29 GMT
I’ve noted this on 2peas and I will say it again. If dogs were treated the way black people are in America white women would flood the streets. It’s a sad reality I’ve known since I was a kid. Many white people care more about animals than black people and it shows. That isn’t the case here Olan. I don’t see one person saying that the dogs treatment was worse than Mr. Cooper. A person is free to state that both abuses are horrid. But again, I don’t see one single post here on this thread that lends to your statement. And I will say that her sentiment is shared by other people of color. Do a simple twitter search for white people and dogs and see what comes up right about now. Why argue this point with Olan? Just one example: What does it say about how our country functions that a black man feels a dog will see justice before Christian Cooper does? |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 26, 2020 20:25:30 GMT
See, you focus on only part of the interaction. Your view of the whole situation on this thread is that Olan told me she found racist something that I said 3 years ago (something that we’ve rehashed at least a dozen or two times since then) and that I got defensive. You completely ignore all the name-calling and the comparing me to someone who actively tried to have a man killed-by-police. And that is just on this thread. I don’t have the links, but it has felt to me like you have engaged in similar selective focus in regards to Olan’s behavior to me in the past. You certainly are more than welcome to do whatever you want to, but it is somewhat disingenuous from my point of view to view yourself as some impartial peacemaker between Olan and myself or anyone else on the board. I really do not remember these past interactions in the same way you do. I'm not trying to be a peacemaker, either, actually. I'm asking you to reflect, as one white woman to another, on how you're responding to a woman of color who is upset by something you said. I believe the issue is that Elaine did not state what is being claimed. |
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Post by Olan on May 26, 2020 20:27:49 GMT
That isn’t the case here Olan. I don’t see one person saying that the dogs treatment was worse than Mr. Cooper. A person is free to state that both abuses are horrid. But again, I don’t see one single post here on this thread that lends to your statement. And I will say that her sentiment is shared by other people of color. Do a simple twitter search for white people and dogs and see what comes up right about now. Why argue this point with Olan? Just one example: What does it say about how our country functions that a black man feels a dog will see justice before Christian Cooper does? And he got it! Did y’all see how long it took for that rescue to come save Henry? Imagine if there was some organization that rushed to black people’s aid in the same way? |
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Post by chlerbie on May 26, 2020 20:28:39 GMT
See, you focus on only part of the interaction. Your view of the whole situation on this thread is that Olan told me she found racist something that I said 3 years ago (something that we’ve rehashed at least a dozen or two times since then) and that I got defensive. You completely ignore all the name-calling and the comparing me to someone who actively tried to have a man killed-by-police. And that is just on this thread. I don’t have the links, but it has felt to me like you have engaged in similar selective focus in regards to Olan’s behavior to me in the past. You certainly are more than welcome to do whatever you want to, but it is somewhat disingenuous from my point of view to view yourself as some impartial peacemaker between Olan and myself or anyone else on the board. I really do not remember these past interactions in the same way you do. I'm not trying to be a peacemaker, either, actually. I'm asking you to reflect, as one white woman to another, on how you're responding to a woman of color who is upset by something you said. I will say that I recall Elaine apologizing to Olan over this and that I've seen Olan bring it up over and over and over, to include posting elaine's full name and location. I'm not sure what exactly Elaine is supposed to do to "make this better", when in fact, I've seen on this very thread that she's even asked Olan to make a separate thread so that they can discuss it further. |
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Post by thundergal on May 26, 2020 20:29:07 GMT
See, you focus on only part of the interaction. Your view of the whole situation on this thread is that Olan told me she found racist something that I said 3 years ago (something that we’ve rehashed at least a dozen or two times since then) and that I got defensive. You completely ignore all the name-calling and the comparing me to someone who actively tried to have a man killed-by-police. And that is just on this thread. I don’t have the links, but it has felt to me like you have engaged in similar selective focus in regards to Olan’s behavior to me in the past. You certainly are more than welcome to do whatever you want to, but it is somewhat disingenuous from my point of view to view yourself as some impartial peacemaker between Olan and myself or anyone else on the board. Also completely ignoring the fact that Olan doxed you and put your full name, city and other identifying details up for the world to see. Are you serious? I did not know that. She didn't say Olan deserves to be met with poor treatment by police. I think Olan has an incredibly combative communication style. Super argumentative. You (general you) can decide to interpret that statement as having something to do with her being a black woman. Or you can believe me when I say it absolutely doesn't. What I know I can't speak to is anyone's personal history and what makes anyone process anything the way that they do. We all process/perceive things through our very own, DEEPLY personal lenses. That said, I still think it's truly unfair to lump Elaine in with the Amy Cooper's of the world for calling her out on how she communicates. That kind of assessment doesn't have a GD thing to do with the color of Olan's skin. |
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Post by Olan on May 26, 2020 20:33:23 GMT
Also completely ignoring the fact that Olan doxed you and put your full name, city and other identifying details up for the world to see. Are you serious? I did not know that. She didn't say Olan deserves to be met with poor treatment by police. I think Olan has an incredibly combative communication style. Super argumentative. You (general you) can decide to interpret that statement as having something to do with her being a black woman. Or you can believe me when I say it absolutely doesn't. What I know I can't speak to is anyone's personal history and what makes anyone process anything the way that they do. We all process/perceive things through our very own, DEEPLY personal lenses. That said, I still think it's truly unfair to lump Elaine in with the Amy Cooper's of the world for calling her out on how she communicates. That kind of assessment doesn't have a GD thing to do with the color of Olan's skin. I’m sorry you feel that way. And I don’t even pretend my communication style is the most effective one but her comments were hurtful and uncalled for. It’s dangerous to think that black people are actually responsible for the way we are treated and if somehow we behave differently we’d go through life with no problems. No one should be condoning that idea. Elaine-Wohlgemuth Shilling |
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Post by Olan on May 26, 2020 20:34:08 GMT
I really do not remember these past interactions in the same way you do. I'm not trying to be a peacemaker, either, actually. I'm asking you to reflect, as one white woman to another, on how you're responding to a woman of color who is upset by something you said. I will say that I recall Elaine apologizing to Olan over this and that I've seen Olan bring it up over and over and over, to include posting elaine's full name and location. I'm not sure what exactly Elaine is supposed to do to "make this better", when in fact, I've seen on this very thread that she's even asked Olan to make a separate thread so that they can discuss it further. To date Elaine-Wohlgemuth Shilling has never apologized and you all agree I like beating a dead horse so that should tell you something hahaha |
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Post by elaine on May 26, 2020 20:35:02 GMT
See, you focus on only part of the interaction. Your view of the whole situation on this thread is that Olan told me she found racist something that I said 3 years ago (something that we’ve rehashed at least a dozen or two times since then) and that I got defensive. You completely ignore all the name-calling and the comparing me to someone who actively tried to have a man killed-by-police. And that is just on this thread. I don’t have the links, but it has felt to me like you have engaged in similar selective focus in regards to Olan’s behavior to me in the past. You certainly are more than welcome to do whatever you want to, but it is somewhat disingenuous from my point of view to view yourself as some impartial peacemaker between Olan and myself or anyone else on the board. I really do not remember these past interactions in the same way you do. I'm not trying to be a peacemaker, either, actually. I'm asking you to reflect, as one white woman to another, on how you're responding to a woman of color who is upset by something you said. Okay then. I guess I’ll also ask you, as one human being to another, to reflect on the acceptability of everything that Olan has said to me on this thread. I will profoundly disappoint you, because given the numerous times this has been discussed between Olan and myself and the loads of verbal abuse she has spewed my way over the past 3 years, I really am okay with how I have responded on this thread. I really don’t have to passively be someone’s abusive punching bag simply because you think I should since I’m white. I would *never* ask you to sit there and be abused by anyone - never. As a woman and a human being, that doesn’t push social dialogue forward. It just perpetuates unhealthy dynamics in relationships. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 26, 2020 20:35:49 GMT
That isn’t the case here Olan. I don’t see one person saying that the dogs treatment was worse than Mr. Cooper. A person is free to state that both abuses are horrid. But again, I don’t see one single post here on this thread that lends to your statement. And I will say that her sentiment is shared by other people of color. Do a simple twitter search for white people and dogs and see what comes up right about now. Why argue this point with Olan? Just one example: What does it say about how our country functions that a black man feels a dog will see justice before Christian Cooper does? Did you read my post? I’m not arguing anything with olan. I CLEARLY stated that no one on this THREAD was doing that. I find it interest though how Olan has turned this thread into an Olan thread. |
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Post by Olan on May 26, 2020 20:38:09 GMT
I really do not remember these past interactions in the same way you do. I'm not trying to be a peacemaker, either, actually. I'm asking you to reflect, as one white woman to another, on how you're responding to a woman of color who is upset by something you said. Okay then. I guess I’ll also ask you, as one human being go another, to reflect on the acceptability of everything that Olan has said to me on this thread. I will profoundly disappoint you, because given the numerous times this has been discussed between Olan and myself and the loads of verbal abuse she has spewed my way over the past 3 years, I really am okay with how I have responded on this thread. I really don’t have to passively be someone’s abusive punching bag simply because you think I should since I’m white. I would *never* ask you to sit there and be abused by anyone - never. As a woman and a human being, that doesn’t push social dialogue forward. It just perpetuates unhealthy dynamics in relationships. Playing victim. You aren’t being abused by me and if you feel that you are why as most recent as yesterday were you interacting with me as if we have no history. You do this for attention and you’ve got enough it from me and this thread already. Poor Elaine-Wohlgemuth Shilling. |
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Post by M~ on May 26, 2020 20:42:36 GMT
Okay so. After someone here posted a link of the karensgoingwild on Instagram I couldn’t help myself. I had to go see. And then after I saw every video there I went on YouTube to watch a lot more. At some point- while some are still tragically amusing-the analytical part of me started to think about things like - what would happen if “I”, a Brown person, behaved like this?
I started to cry. The videos aren’t that funny any longer. I’ve seen cops being berated or insulted or even ignored altogether. What strikes me is that EVERY ONE of those cops gives these WHITE women a LOOOOOOONG rope. The are incredibly patient. They speak calmly. They try to negotiate. They seldom, if ever, arrest the person. If these people were black or brown I don’t think we’d be treated similarly.
i wonder how it feels to think your actions have little or rather insignificant consequences. Because over and over that’s what happens.
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