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Post by elaine on May 26, 2020 20:44:32 GMT
Okay so. After someone here posted a link of the karensgoingwild on Instagram I couldn’t help myself. I had to go see. And then after I saw every video there I went on YouTube to watch a lot more. At some point- while some are still tragically amusing-the analytical part of me started to think about things like - what would happen if “I”, a Brown person, behaved like this? I started to cry. The videos aren’t that funny any longer. I’ve seen cops being berated or insulted or even ignored altogether. What strikes me is that EVERY ONE of those cops gives these WHITE women a LOOOOOOONG rope. The are incredibly patient. They speak calmly. They try to negotiate. They seldom, if ever, arrest the person. If these people were black or brown I don’t think we’d be treated similarly. i wonder how it feels to think your actions have little or rather insignificant consequences. Because over and over that’s what happens. I agree with you completely. |
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Post by crm1367 on May 26, 2020 20:45:15 GMT
Then shut the fuck up about it already! And if the quote you posted from Elaine from three years ago is what this is about you need to grow up.
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Post by Olan on May 26, 2020 20:47:33 GMT
And I will say that her sentiment is shared by other people of color. Do a simple twitter search for white people and dogs and see what comes up right about now. Why argue this point with Olan? Just one example: What does it say about how our country functions that a black man feels a dog will see justice before Christian Cooper does? Did you read my post? I’m not arguing anything with olan. I CLEARLY stated that no one on this THREAD was doing that. I find it interest though how Olan has turned this thread into an Olan thread. Yes I’ve turned a thread about a racist woman into a thread about a racist woman. I’m deeply deeply invested in white people not weaponizing the police against black people and nothing I’ve done here would take Away the attention of people who REALLY care. Some side dialogue is enough to sidetrack your social justice muscle? Strengthen it then. If Elaine really felt the way she says she feels about me none of her behavior here suggests it. Olan and elaine black and white doesn’t lie. I can assure you this won’t be the last time Elaine uses me to get the attention she needs from this board. Note only one of us is calling the other a liar and imploring folks to do their own post history research. Also note I could give a damn if people hate me and love Elaine. My favorite Color Purple line is “The jail you planned for me is the one you gonna rot in” and that’s exactly what comes to mind when dealing with folks who refuse to apologize and admit fault 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/67072/drank-kool-aid-offensive?page=5 |
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Post by flanz on May 26, 2020 20:52:34 GMT
Racist bitch. Also, that dog belongs with someone equipped to take care of it. The way she handled it! I'm glad that man recorded, because she FULLY weaponized her whiteness. Like, immediately. I agree completely. Weaponizing whiteness is a new term for me and I'm a white woman who has been learning about issues of race for some time. It totally fits. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 26, 2020 21:14:28 GMT
Okay then. I guess I’ll also ask you, as one human being go another, to reflect on the acceptability of everything that Olan has said to me on this thread. I will profoundly disappoint you, because given the numerous times this has been discussed between Olan and myself and the loads of verbal abuse she has spewed my way over the past 3 years, I really am okay with how I have responded on this thread. I really don’t have to passively be someone’s abusive punching bag simply because you think I should since I’m white. I would *never* ask you to sit there and be abused by anyone - never. As a woman and a human being, that doesn’t push social dialogue forward. It just perpetuates unhealthy dynamics in relationships. Playing victim. You aren’t being abused by me and if you feel that you are why as most recent as yesterday were you interacting with me as if we have no history. You do this for attention and you’ve got enough it from me and this thread already. Poor Elaine. You seriously need to take a look in the mirror. You are absolutely the one playing victim here. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 26, 2020 21:30:26 GMT
Did you read my post? I’m not arguing anything with olan. I CLEARLY stated that no one on this THREAD was doing that. I find it interest though how Olan has turned this thread into an Olan thread. Yes I’ve turned a thread about a racist woman into a thread about a racist woman. I’m deeply deeply invested in white people not weaponizing the police against black people and nothing I’ve done here would take Away the attention of people who REALLY care. Some side dialogue is enough to sidetrack your social justice muscle? Strengthen it then. If Elaine really felt the way she says she feels about me none of her behavior here suggests it. Olan and elaine black and white doesn’t lie. I can assure you this won’t be the last time Elaine uses me to get the attention she needs from this board. Note only one of us is calling the other a liar and imploring folks to do their own post history research. Also note I could give a damn if people hate me and love Elaine. My favorite Color Purple line is “The jail you planned for me is the one you gonna rot in” and that’s exactly what comes to mind when dealing with folks who refuse to apologize and admit fault Nope. You’ve gone further than what you claim. You do exactly what you accuse others of, You’ve done it before, and I’d expect you’ll do it again. And once again, You’ve made this thread about YOU. Your posts regarding “the backstory” on this thread have not been accurate to say the least. You gave your speech about wanting joy, peace, love, light....whatever. You’re so full of shit. You went (again) for the jugular with Elaine, fucking attacked her using her child as example—yet you ramble on about the “Amy Coopers” of the world using their words as weapons against another—yet you do the same god damned thing. This thread was 100% about that dumb ass Amy Cooper weaponizing her female whiteness over a black male. EVERYONE on this thread was 💯 unified in denouncing her actions. Elaine did not do that to you, nor did she say what you’ve suggested/perceived from the thread 3 years ago. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 26, 2020 21:33:03 GMT
Racist bitch. Also, that dog belongs with someone equipped to take care of it. The way she handled it! I'm glad that man recorded, because she FULLY weaponized her whiteness. Like, immediately. I agree completely. Weaponizing whiteness is a new term for me and I'm a white woman who has been learning about issues of race for some time. It totally fits. I’d heard the term before, quite a few times, but it became so very crystal clear of exactly what it is watching the Cooper video. I’d say that her words, inflections, her demeanor made her the poster child for that terminology. |
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Post by Olan on May 26, 2020 21:44:49 GMT
“I think I was just scared,” Amy Cooper said. “When you’re alone in the Ramble, you don’t know what’s happening. It’s not excusable, it’s not defensible.”
Racist people will always try and find a way to justify their behaviors. And there will always be people who stand by and watch it happen.
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Post by Rhondito on May 26, 2020 21:55:13 GMT
“I think I was just scared,” Amy Cooper said. “When you’re alone in the Ramble, you don’t know what’s happening. It’s not excusable, it’s not defensible.” Racist people will always try and find a way to justify their behaviors. And there will always be people who stand by and watch it happen. Who stood by and watched it happen??? Mr. Cooper filmed it; he released the video and everyone is outraged.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 26, 2020 22:31:15 GMT
“I think I was just scared,” Amy Cooper said. “When you’re alone in the Ramble, you don’t know what’s happening. It’s not excusable, it’s not defensible.” Racist people will always try and find a way to justify their behaviors. And there will always be people who stand by and watch it happen. I’ve yet to see anyone justify her behavior. It hasn’t happened here, I’ve not seen it on Twitter or any other social media. But then that’s not what you were meaning is it? You used the quote by Amy the Racist Cooper, to insert your commentary geared towards people here. Tell me I’m wrong. I dare you. |
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Post by Olan on May 26, 2020 22:40:10 GMT
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Post by MizIndependent on May 26, 2020 22:42:59 GMT
“I think I was just scared,” Amy Cooper said. “When you’re alone in the Ramble, you don’t know what’s happening. It’s not excusable, it’s not defensible.” Racist people will always try and find a way to justify their behaviors. And there will always be people who stand by and watch it happen. Who stood by and watched it happen??? Mr. Cooper filmed it; he released the video and everyone is outraged.
In this instance, it would seem it was just Mr. Cooper and this woman...no bystander. There are many instances though, where there were bystanders and often those bystanders do nothing.
It will be a wonderful day when racists are routinely put in their place for their archaic and backwards view of the world.
And just because it's fun to watch a racist get dressed down...
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Post by Rhondito on May 26, 2020 22:52:36 GMT
And just because it's fun to watch a racist get dressed down... Thanks for sharing this one - I hadn't seen it!  |
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Post by theroadlesstraveledp on May 26, 2020 23:15:07 GMT
Read about this earlier today. I’m disgusted by this. Seriously? This is horrible.
It’s also probably good that the dog isn’t with her anymore.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 23:32:29 GMT
“I think I was just scared,” Amy Cooper said. “When you’re alone in the Ramble, you don’t know what’s happening. It’s not excusable, it’s not defensible.” Racist people will always try and find a way to justify their behaviors. And there will always be people who stand by and watch it happen. I’ve yet to see anyone justify her behavior. It hasn’t happened here, I’ve not seen it on Twitter or any other social media. But then that’s not what you were meaning is it? You used the quote by Amy the Racist Cooper, to insert your commentary geared towards people here. Tell me I’m wrong. I dare you. I've seen a few people defending her on social media. They're getting quickly called out and shut down. |
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Post by Olan on May 27, 2020 0:01:34 GMT
Who stood by and watched it happen??? Mr. Cooper filmed it; he released the video and everyone is outraged.
In this instance, it would seem it was just Mr. Cooper and this woman...no bystander. There are many instances though, where there were bystanders and often those bystanders do nothing.
It will be a wonderful day when racists are routinely put in their place for their archaic and backwards view of the world.
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Post by MizIndependent on May 27, 2020 0:02:43 GMT
I wonder, would it have made a difference if... -The dog park was closed and there was nowhere else to run her dog and that's why she was walking it unleashed in that area? -If she felt vulnerable being alone with a stranger in a park? -If Mr. Cooper said to her, when she refused to leash her dog, "if you're going to do what you want, I'm going to do what I want, but you're not going to like it." Then proceeded to bring out dog treats to give the dog because he "knows dog owners often don't want a stranger to feed their dogs so they immediately restrain it." [ Source: USA Today] Perhaps. In that light the entire tone of what happened changes...until she brings race into it. In that moment of high stress she reveals herself. She went right to what she thought was what would get the cops out there the fastest. She made it about race and she lied about him threatening her life. She's only got herself to blame as none of this would have happened had she not felt entitled to behave however she chose to, i.e. without respect to others and with no respect for rules. It's odd how they deny the truth of their character when it so obviously shows itself. |
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Post by sassyangel on May 27, 2020 0:12:06 GMT
I wonder, would it have made a difference if... -The dog park was closed and there was nowhere else to run her dog and that's why she was walking it unleashed in that area? -If she felt vulnerable being alone with a stranger in a park? -If Mr. Cooper said to her, when she refused to leash her dog, "if you're going to do what you want, I'm going to do what I want, but you're not going to like it." Then proceeded to bring out dog treats to give the dog because he "knows dog owners often don't want a stranger to feed their dogs so they immediately restrain it." [ Source: USA Today] Perhaps. In that light the entire tone of what happened changes...until she brings race into it. In that moment of high stress she reveals herself. She went right to what she thought was what would get the cops out there the fastest. She made it about race and she lied about him threatening her life. She's only got herself to blame as none of this would have happened had she not felt entitled to behave however she chose to, i.e. without respect to others and with no respect for rules. It's odd how they deny the truth of their character when it so obviously shows itself. That wouldn’t work with me - or my dog. She loves treats from strangers, and would have happily bounded over to take it. 😅 I like dog people so someone wanting to share a treat doesn’t bother me, and they always ask first. I wouldnt ever let my dog be unleashed in a leashed Park area though. |
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Post by sabrinae on May 27, 2020 0:26:57 GMT
I wonder, would it have made a difference if... -The dog park was closed and there was nowhere else to run her dog and that's why she was walking it unleashed in that area? -If she felt vulnerable being alone with a stranger in a park? -If Mr. Cooper said to her, when she refused to leash her dog, "if you're going to do what you want, I'm going to do what I want, but you're not going to like it." Then proceeded to bring out dog treats to give the dog because he "knows dog owners often don't want a stranger to feed their dogs so they immediately restrain it." [ Source: USA Today] Perhaps. In that light the entire tone of what happened changes...until she brings race into it. In that moment of high stress she reveals herself. She went right to what she thought was what would get the cops out there the fastest. She made it about race and she lied about him threatening her life. She's only got herself to blame as none of this would have happened had she not felt entitled to behave however she chose to, i.e. without respect to others and with no respect for rules. It's odd how they deny the truth of their character when it so obviously shows itself. None of those things matter. You bringing them up seems to be an attempt to justify her actions as if they wouldn’t have been wrong if she hadn’t inserted the works “African American”. Whether or not she specifically referenced his race in the call or not it is still clear what she is doing — it’s not like the police wouldn’t see his skin color when they arrived. He did not do or say anything to threaten her or make her fear for her safety — if she was fearful that’s her own construct. Whether or not the dog park was closed is some bizarre red herring you’ve come up with— she doesn’t need to have her dog off leash anywhere at anytime. |
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Post by MizIndependent on May 27, 2020 0:33:40 GMT
I wonder, would it have made a difference if... -The dog park was closed and there was nowhere else to run her dog and that's why she was walking it unleashed in that area? -If she felt vulnerable being alone with a stranger in a park? -If Mr. Cooper said to her, when she refused to leash her dog, "if you're going to do what you want, I'm going to do what I want, but you're not going to like it." Then proceeded to bring out dog treats to give the dog because he "knows dog owners often don't want a stranger to feed their dogs so they immediately restrain it." [ Source: USA Today] Perhaps. In that light the entire tone of what happened changes...until she brings race into it. In that moment of high stress she reveals herself. She went right to what she thought was what would get the cops out there the fastest. She made it about race and she lied about him threatening her life. She's only got herself to blame as none of this would have happened had she not felt entitled to behave however she chose to, i.e. without respect to others and with no respect for rules. It's odd how they deny the truth of their character when it so obviously shows itself. None of those things matter. You bringing them up seems to be an attempt to justify her actions as if they wouldn’t have been wrong if she hadn’t inserted the works “African American”. Whether or not she specifically referenced his race in the call or not it is still clear what she is doing — it’s not like the police wouldn’t see his skin color when they arrived. He did not do or say anything to threaten her or make her fear for her safety — if she was fearful that’s her own construct. Whether or not the dog park was closed is some bizarre red herring you’ve come up with— she doesn’t need to have her dog off leash anywhere at anytime. Please feel free to read the entire post I made. I thought it was pretty clear I wasn't justifying anything. There are some out there trying to defend her actions...if you read what I wrote you will see what I'm saying is her acts are indefensible. She herself tried to say she was scared...whatever. Her actions are indefensible. |
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Post by catmom on May 27, 2020 0:39:00 GMT
Thanks for sharing. Those articles were enlightening. And disturbing. How sad that someone is so harassed that the pandemic actually provides relief. |
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Post by dewryce on May 27, 2020 0:55:26 GMT
None of those things matter. You bringing them up seems to be an attempt to justify her actions as if they wouldn’t have been wrong if she hadn’t inserted the works “African American”. Whether or not she specifically referenced his race in the call or not it is still clear what she is doing — it’s not like the police wouldn’t see his skin color when they arrived. He did not do or say anything to threaten her or make her fear for her safety — if she was fearful that’s her own construct. Whether or not the dog park was closed is some bizarre red herring you’ve come up with— she doesn’t need to have her dog off leash anywhere at anytime. Please feel free to read the entire post I made. I thought it was pretty clear I wasn't justifying anything. There are some out there trying to defend her actions...if you read what I wrote you will see what I'm saying is her acts are indefensible. She herself tried to say she was scared...whatever. Her actions are indefensible. But I don’t think the entire tone does change in that light. And I’m not insinuating that you were trying to put the excuses out there, your objection to her has been very clear this entire thread. But...those are the justifications being used on social media and saying “perhaps,” to me, comes across as lending them some weight. If that makes sense? Again, I know that’s not the intention, but that’s how it read to me. |
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Post by sabrinae on May 27, 2020 1:01:25 GMT
None of those things matter. You bringing them up seems to be an attempt to justify her actions as if they wouldn’t have been wrong if she hadn’t inserted the works “African American”. Whether or not she specifically referenced his race in the call or not it is still clear what she is doing — it’s not like the police wouldn’t see his skin color when they arrived. He did not do or say anything to threaten her or make her fear for her safety — if she was fearful that’s her own construct. Whether or not the dog park was closed is some bizarre red herring you’ve come up with— she doesn’t need to have her dog off leash anywhere at anytime. Please feel free to read the entire post I made. I thought it was pretty clear I wasn't justifying anything. There are some out there trying to defend her actions...if you read what I wrote you will see what I'm saying is her acts are indefensible. She herself tried to say she was scared...whatever. Her actions are indefensible. I read your entire post. It comes off to me as trying to justify her behavior except for darn it she just had to interject his race into it. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 27, 2020 1:07:33 GMT
I’ve yet to see anyone justify her behavior. It hasn’t happened here, I’ve not seen it on Twitter or any other social media. But then that’s not what you were meaning is it? You used the quote by Amy the Racist Cooper, to insert your commentary geared towards people here. Tell me I’m wrong. I dare you. I've seen a few people defending her on social media. They're getting quickly called out and shut down. I’m glad I’m not seeing that—I’d be raking them down too!!! I have yet to see anyone defending her—and that makes me glad. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 27, 2020 1:12:34 GMT
In this instance, it would seem it was just Mr. Cooper and this woman...no bystander. There are many instances though, where there were bystanders and often those bystanders do nothing.
It will be a wonderful day when racists are routinely put in their place for their archaic and backwards view of the world.
And just because it's fun to watch a racist get dressed down...
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I think a lot of you hate me because you know the comments you’ve made to me and in threads DO NOT age well. MizIndependent and I go back and forth about animals and social justice. In today’s racist Karen video we see an animal rights theme coming into play like does anyone see this shit 😳 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/62666/updated-police-speak-respectfully-driversYou’ll find Elaine tagging me in a thread to take the heat off a comment she made and then the popularity contest that ensues. 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/67072/drank-kool-aid-offensive?q=ElaineAnother thread “sidetracked” 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/72745/why-having-all-shithole-countries?q=Elaine+Those are only the threads I have bookmarked. Not authored. So it took no time to find. I’m sure there are more interactions that she initiates. If you look at the threads that I start you see a lot of the same peas defending Elaine right there beside her. All while she tells everyone I’m crazy and need medicine. If you really believe that Elaine it’s pretty antagonistic to tag me or participate in my threads. Whatever profession you had before being a SAHM likely has some oath that would call to question your behavior. These are threads that have all happened AFTER I’ve explicitly asked Elaine to limit her interactions with me. Also if you’ve quoted or tagged me and I didn’t respond there is absolutely a reason why I’ve made the choice not to go back and forth with you. I’m going to log out for the evening because with everything reporting in the news right now (which makes this conversation really triggering to have) any negative interactions I have with the peas could just as easily be avoided if I push away from the keyboard and not feed into it. YOU are the one assigning hate, not the individual peas. Who here hates you? I don’t always agree with you, I’ve called you out on bullshit statements you’ve made, I May have even called you a bitch, but I don’t recall ever saying that I hate you. You have a very terrible habit of assigning words/statements/emotions to people who have never said things you’ve repeated or claimed they felt. |
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I love that video of him talking about birding — what a lovely man. I’m glad he’s ok. It breaks my heart he could so easily have been dead.
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Post by MizIndependent on May 27, 2020 1:59:07 GMT
Please feel free to read the entire post I made. I thought it was pretty clear I wasn't justifying anything. There are some out there trying to defend her actions...if you read what I wrote you will see what I'm saying is her acts are indefensible. She herself tried to say she was scared...whatever. Her actions are indefensible. I read your entire post. It comes off to me as trying to justify her behavior except for darn it she just had to interject his race into it. Well that’s a communication failing on my part. Let me take another crack at it. In a different situation where a woman is alone in a park with a strange man and that strange man says those things, I can see how it might read as threatening. In this, the actual situation, because she is so obviously racist, she is without excuse. |
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Post by Laurie on May 27, 2020 2:06:27 GMT
I actually didn’t notice the treatment of the dog until after I read the comments about it. I was too appalled at her actions.
I don’t know this 3 year backstory between Olan and Elaine so I am not defending anyone when I say this nor can it be inferred that I am a racist simply because of this statement. When I think of calling someone on this board of having Amy Cooper like behavior Elaine is one of the last people that I would label this way.
Again I don’t know this back story but without the details of it idk how we can be asked to just assume Elaine is a racist based on one person saying she is. I’m sorry but I like to form my own opinions for myself. With what I have seen with my own eyes on this board I can’t just blindly believe Elaine is a racist when I have seen her to only be kind and fair. Now if I were to see her exhibit this type of behavior then I would be right there with you calling her out.
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Post by sassyangel on May 27, 2020 3:09:08 GMT
I love that video of him talking about birding — what a lovely man. I’m glad he’s ok. It breaks my heart he could so easily have been dead. Me too, his obvious passion and joy in it made me want to go out with our binoculars and look for some. |
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