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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 29, 2020 0:11:40 GMT
This discussion of George being high, drunk, in possession of a counterfeit $20 bill....
Is really bothering the crap out of me—even if all 3 things combined were true—HE STILL SHOULD NOT BE DEAD.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 29, 2020 0:15:49 GMT
While the video is damming, an investigation has to be completed in order to charge the officer. I understand the reactions of everyone to the video, but let them investigate, so they can file the proper charges. You cannot base it upon one video. Was there intent? that can affect the charges filed base upon how is the law written in Minnesota. They have to align the crime, with charges based upon the law. We can all say, per the video he is guilty, but the charges have to be aligned with the law. Let the investigation play out so when it gets to court, it is not dismisses, because the charges were faulty. Everyone needs to take a deep breath and let the FBI and Justice Dept, and the Prosecuting Attorney finish the investigation. And violence in reaction to violence does not resolve anything. It only risks more innocent victims. Generally people are arrested immediately or as soon as they find them when someone’s dead and it’s clear who is responsible. More investigation is then carried out and charges are changed as necessary. The difference here is that it is a police officer, but based on the video and eye witnesses, I think he still should have been arrested Especially when there is actual video and a dozen or so witnesses who saw the officer kneeling on his neck (an illegal move) for what—7-9 minutes?  It’s sure as shit not for a lack of witnesses. You know damn well if a black person was kneeling on the neck of someone—anyone and they died within minutes that they’d be arresting them stat before a complete investigation was done. Investigations come AFTER a charge has been made. The ONLY reason the officer(s) were not arrested/have not been arrested and have all pleaded the Fifth as of today) is: Because they are white police officers who are employed by a government that systemically treats the murders of black people to a completely different standard that they do whites. |
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Post by Sarah*H on May 29, 2020 0:26:34 GMT
I just watched a video of a white guy in a gas mask breaking the windows of the Auto Zone with a hammer. And there were many white people in the crowd. I don't know who started the burning and actual looting but in the video I saw, the initial destruction was definitely a white guy trying not to be seen. Video at Auto Zone |
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on May 29, 2020 0:28:08 GMT
Generally people are arrested immediately or as soon as they find them when someone’s dead and it’s clear who is responsible. More investigation is then carried out and charges are changed as necessary. The difference here is that it is a police officer, but based on the video and eye witnesses, I think he still should have been arrested Especially when there is actual video and a dozen or so witnesses who saw the officer kneeling on his neck (an illegal move) for what—7-9 minutes? It’s not for a lack of witnesses. You know damn well if a black person was kneeling on the neck of someone—anyone and they died within minutes that they’d be arresting them stat before a complete investigation was done. Investigations come AFTER a charge has been made. Exactly. And apparently there was no investigation of George before he was cuffed. The word of the shopkeeper was enough for the police to make an arrest on the spot. If he had counterfeit money (as some are reporting), that doesn’t mean he was doing anything illegal, but it would have been up to him to provide a defense (“I just got it back in chammnge at the store down the street!). That’s how arrests work when you are caught in the act, which is exactly what this officer was—caught on video in the act of an unwarranted action resulting in a man’s death. Even if they don’t want to start with murder, they need to charge manslaughter or some other lesser charge and then increase the charge after an investigation. |
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Post by pattyraindrops on May 29, 2020 0:33:49 GMT
Generally people are arrested immediately or as soon as they find them when someone’s dead and it’s clear who is responsible. More investigation is then carried out and charges are changed as necessary. The difference here is that it is a police officer, but based on the video and eye witnesses, I think he still should have been arrested Especially when there is actual video and a dozen or so witnesses who saw the officer kneeling on his neck (an illegal move) for what—7-9 minutes? It’s sure as shit not for a lack of witnesses. You know damn well if a black person was kneeling on the neck of someone—anyone and they died within minutes that they’d be arresting them stat before a complete investigation was done. Investigations come AFTER a charge has been made. The ONLY reason the officer(s) were not arrested/have not been arrested and have all pleaded the Fifth as of today) is: Because they are white police officers who are employed by a government that systemically treats the murders of black people to a completely different standard that they do whites. I am unsure how to word this so please don't think I feel he was doing his duty when he killed George. I just don't know how to express it differently. Do investigations come after the charge when it is a police officer in the "line of duty" too? And does this go under regular criminal behavior or the special investigations of police officers? I figure that if a police officer is off duty and kills his wife then he would be charged like someone else. Right? Where he was "on duty" doing "his job"would get the same charges or charges that are specific to police men? |
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Post by sabrinae on May 29, 2020 0:40:25 GMT
Generally people are arrested immediately or as soon as they find them when someone’s dead and it’s clear who is responsible. More investigation is then carried out and charges are changed as necessary. The difference here is that it is a police officer, but based on the video and eye witnesses, I think he still should have been arrested Now I have lots of questions. I'm just wanting to learn here, not making any points. What rules are there about changing charges? I know charges can be changed with plea bargaining. If the charge homicide and then later feel it is manslaughter do they have to defend the change? What if it is initially manslaughter and then goes homicide? And since so many are saying it is murder - is there a "murder" charge? If so, is that the same as "homicide"? On the surface does the evidence seem enough for homicide? I lost my first response so I’ll try to address this. First criminal law is state specific so the answers will depend on the jurisdiction. But? Generally a defendant is entitled to a probable cause hearing or finding of probable cause and indictment by grand jury within a specific time frame after arrest. Often that is somewhere in the 10-14 day time period. A judge can extend that time period for good cause. The case still has to go to grand jury after the preliminary hearing if probable cause is found there. Once indicted there a couple of mechanisms - again state specific by which charges can be changed. Both parties can agree to amend the charges — that generally happens in the course of plea bargaining and generally involves a reduction of charges. If the State wants to increase the level of charges or present a different charge, the State has to go back to a Grand Jury and ask for a superceding indictment. The State May present multiple theories of the crime to the grand jury. Different states title their charges in different ways. Homicide, murder, manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter. How that is done depends on the State and how they define the crimes within statutes and often the differentiating factor is the intent of the defendant and often premeditation. I really wish schools nationwide would do a better job of teaching how the criminal justice system works. Most people don’t understand it and it can be confusing. I hope those broad explanations help. |
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Post by epeanymous on May 29, 2020 0:47:21 GMT
Generally people are arrested immediately or as soon as they find them when someone’s dead and it’s clear who is responsible. More investigation is then carried out and charges are changed as necessary. The difference here is that it is a police officer, but based on the video and eye witnesses, I think he still should have been arrested Now I have lots of questions. I'm just wanting to learn here, not making any points. What rules are there about changing charges? I know charges can be changed with plea bargaining. If the charge homicide and then later feel it is manslaughter do they have to defend the change? What if it is initially manslaughter and then goes homicide? And since so many are saying it is murder - is there a "murder" charge? If so, is that the same as "homicide"? On the surface does the evidence seem enough for homicide? Homicide is just the generic term for when one person kills another. It’s homicide even if the person didn’t mean to kill the other person (think of someone who makes an illegal turn and accidentally kills a pedestrian). Criminal homicide varies by jurisdiction, but the general framework is this: 1st degree murder (murder with malice aforethought, and then usually with some additional factor (premeditation, or special kinds of victims — like police officers, btw — or special kinds of killing, like killing by poison). Also this usually includes felony murder, where a person is committing a felony and doesn’t intend to kill but someone dies. 2nd degree murder (regular old murder with malice aforethought). This also takes in killings where a person doesn’t intend to kill but behaves with deprived indifference to human life — in other words, they don’t care if people live or die (think people throwing cinder blocks off a highway overpass) Voluntary manslaughter — this is intentional killing without malice. Usually the two ways to get here are that you kill under circumstances of provocation (say you find your husband having intercourse with another person) or through imperfect self-defense (you think you have the right to use deadly force to protect yourself, but you’re wrong) Involuntary manslaughter — you behave with gross negligence and someone dies, or you commit a minor offense and accidentally kill someone (this is often that accidentally-killing-pedestrian situation). There are also some specialty homicide offenses, like DUIs resulting in death or homicide by child abuse, but that’s the general framework. Police have to have probable cause to believe a crime has been committed in order to arrest. They don’t need a warrant for felony offenses. What happens post-arrest varies a lot from jurisdiction to jurisdiction — usually there is an early hearing where the defendant is presented with charges, and then there is usually a later hearing where a judge or grand jury (depending on the jurisdiction and type of offense) decides if there is enough evidence to go to trial. Even once a grand jury indicts, prosecutors can seek amended indictments and/or add new charges. Then, yes, often charges are reduced in plea bargaining (and any defense attorney will tell you that many prosecutors purposely overcharge to have a higher negotiation point, so it is more common in my experience for prosecutors to seek an indictment for a higher charge and then reduce it for trial than to start with a lower charge, and I’ve also had prosecutors decide to try my client on a lower charge where my client refuses to plead and the prosecutor realizes they are unlikely to convict on the top charge at trial. Anyway, that was very long-winded. I have never practiced in Minnesota, so can’t guarantee what that state’s homicide laws look like. |
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Post by epeanymous on May 29, 2020 0:49:53 GMT
Especially when there is actual video and a dozen or so witnesses who saw the officer kneeling on his neck (an illegal move) for what—7-9 minutes? It’s sure as shit not for a lack of witnesses. You know damn well if a black person was kneeling on the neck of someone—anyone and they died within minutes that they’d be arresting them stat before a complete investigation was done. Investigations come AFTER a charge has been made. The ONLY reason the officer(s) were not arrested/have not been arrested and have all pleaded the Fifth as of today) is: Because they are white police officers who are employed by a government that systemically treats the murders of black people to a completely different standard that they do whites. I am unsure how to word this so please don't think I feel he was doing his duty when he killed George. I just don't know how to express it differently. Do investigations come after the charge when it is a police officer in the "line of duty" too? And does this go under regular criminal behavior or the special investigations of police officers? I figure that if a police officer is off duty and kills his wife then he would be charged like someone else. Right? Where he was "on duty" doing "his job"would get the same charges or charges that are specific to police men? There was an incredibly depressing New Yorker article about the failure to deal with law enforcement officers who abuse spouses. www.google.com/amp/s/www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/10/07/what-if-your-abusive-husband-is-a-cop/amp |
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Post by cindyupnorth on May 29, 2020 0:50:35 GMT
I just watched a video of a white guy in a gas mask breaking the windows of the Auto Zone with a hammer. And there were many white people in the crowd. I don't know who started the burning and actual looting but in the video I saw, the initial destruction was definitely a white guy trying not to be seen. That Video started in the middle of it. Not at the start. Stuff was already damaged when he used the hammer. From what I have seen the crowds have been fairly mixed with white and black |
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Post by cindyupnorth on May 29, 2020 0:53:15 GMT
I wanted to clarify that I don't NOT think the white people there aren't involved in the violence. They are.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 29, 2020 0:53:40 GMT
Especially when there is actual video and a dozen or so witnesses who saw the officer kneeling on his neck (an illegal move) for what—7-9 minutes? It’s sure as shit not for a lack of witnesses. You know damn well if a black person was kneeling on the neck of someone—anyone and they died within minutes that they’d be arresting them stat before a complete investigation was done. Investigations come AFTER a charge has been made. The ONLY reason the officer(s) were not arrested/have not been arrested and have all pleaded the Fifth as of today) is: Because they are white police officers who are employed by a government that systemically treats the murders of black people to a completely different standard that they do whites. I am unsure how to word this so please don't think I feel he was doing his duty when he killed George. I just don't know how to express it differently. Do investigations come after the charge when it is a police officer in the "line of duty" too? And does this go under regular criminal behavior or the special investigations of police officers? I figure that if a police officer is off duty and kills his wife then he would be charged like someone else. Right? Where he was "on duty" doing "his job"would get the same charges or charges that are specific to police men? My hubby and I have been going back and forth about this same question. We’ve (personally with no factual evidence) believe this is likely WHY he hasn’t been arrested yet. |
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Post by DEX on May 29, 2020 0:56:50 GMT
I want a thorough investigation. I want this officer to be prosecuted. But, I don’t want for him to get off because of a shoddy investigation.
Meanwhile, my son, who is a cop in a Minneapolis suburb, texted me that chatter on social media is saying they are coming to his area tonight to loot. He is working.
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Post by pattyraindrops on May 29, 2020 1:03:58 GMT
Now I have lots of questions. I'm just wanting to learn here, not making any points. What rules are there about changing charges? I know charges can be changed with plea bargaining. If the charge homicide and then later feel it is manslaughter do they have to defend the change? What if it is initially manslaughter and then goes homicide? And since so many are saying it is murder - is there a "murder" charge? If so, is that the same as "homicide"? On the surface does the evidence seem enough for homicide? I lost my first response so I’ll try to address this. First criminal law is state specific so the answers will depend on the jurisdiction. But? Generally a defendant is entitled to a probable cause hearing or finding of probable cause and indictment by grand jury within a specific time frame after arrest. Often that is somewhere in the 10-14 day time period. A judge can extend that time period for good cause. The case still has to go to grand jury after the preliminary hearing if probable cause is found there. Once indicted there a couple of mechanisms - again state specific by which charges can be changed. Both parties can agree to amend the charges — that generally happens in the course of plea bargaining and generally involves a reduction of charges. If the State wants to increase the level of charges or present a different charge, the State has to go back to a Grand Jury and ask for a superceding indictment. The State May present multiple theories of the crime to the grand jury. Different states title their charges in different ways. Homicide, murder, manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter. How that is done depends on the State and how they define the crimes within statutes and often the differentiating factor is the intent of the defendant and often premeditation. I really wish schools nationwide would do a better job of teaching how the criminal justice system works. Most people don’t understand it and it can be confusing. I hope those broad explanations help. It helps a lot. Thanks! And you gave me even than I would have thought of. I knew different states have different definitions, but I didn't realize that murder and homicide could both be legal definitions of the same thing. I thought murder was the common name and homicide the legal one always. It makes sense with upping the charges that the have to go back to the Grand Jury. So conceivably in a case you could charge 1st degree murder, go the the grand jury with manslaughter and then back to the grand jury with 3rd degree murder? |
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Post by mnmloveli on May 29, 2020 1:06:18 GMT
I want a thorough investigation. I want this officer to be prosecuted. But, I don’t want for him to get off because of a shoddy investigation. Meanwhile, my son, who is a cop in a Minneapolis suburb, texted me that chatter on social media is saying they are coming to his area tonight to loot. He is working. Saying prayers your son stays safe tonight. |
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Post by pattyraindrops on May 29, 2020 1:08:53 GMT
Now I have lots of questions. I'm just wanting to learn here, not making any points. What rules are there about changing charges? I know charges can be changed with plea bargaining. If the charge homicide and then later feel it is manslaughter do they have to defend the change? What if it is initially manslaughter and then goes homicide? And since so many are saying it is murder - is there a "murder" charge? If so, is that the same as "homicide"? On the surface does the evidence seem enough for homicide? Homicide is just the generic term for when one person kills another. It’s homicide even if the person didn’t mean to kill the other person (think of someone who makes an illegal turn and accidentally kills a pedestrian). Criminal homicide varies by jurisdiction, but the general framework is this: 1st degree murder (murder with malice aforethought, and then usually with some additional factor (premeditation, or special kinds of victims — like police officers, btw — or special kinds of killing, like killing by poison). Also this usually includes felony murder, where a person is committing a felony and doesn’t intend to kill but someone dies. 2nd degree murder (regular old murder with malice aforethought). This also takes in killings where a person doesn’t intend to kill but behaves with deprived indifference to human life — in other words, they don’t care if people live or die (think people throwing cinder blocks off a highway overpass) Voluntary manslaughter — this is intentional killing without malice. Usually the two ways to get here are that you kill under circumstances of provocation (say you find your husband having intercourse with another person) or through imperfect self-defense (you think you have the right to use deadly force to protect yourself, but you’re wrong) Involuntary manslaughter — you behave with gross negligence and someone dies, or you commit a minor offense and accidentally kill someone (this is often that accidentally-killing-pedestrian situation). There are also some specialty homicide offenses, like DUIs resulting in death or homicide by child abuse, but that’s the general framework. Police have to have probable cause to believe a crime has been committed in order to arrest. They don’t need a warrant for felony offenses. What happens post-arrest varies a lot from jurisdiction to jurisdiction — usually there is an early hearing where the defendant is presented with charges, and then there is usually a later hearing where a judge or grand jury (depending on the jurisdiction and type of offense) decides if there is enough evidence to go to trial. Even once a grand jury indicts, prosecutors can seek amended indictments and/or add new charges. Then, yes, often charges are reduced in plea bargaining (and any defense attorney will tell you that many prosecutors purposely overcharge to have a higher negotiation point, so it is more common in my experience for prosecutors to seek an indictment for a higher charge and then reduce it for trial than to start with a lower charge, and I’ve also had prosecutors decide to try my client on a lower charge where my client refuses to plead and the prosecutor realizes they are unlikely to convict on the top charge at trial. Anyway, that was very long-winded. I have never practiced in Minnesota, so can’t guarantee what that state’s homicide laws look like. Very informative. Thank you. |
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Post by pattyraindrops on May 29, 2020 1:10:20 GMT
I want a thorough investigation. I want this officer to be prosecuted. But, I don’t want for him to get off because of a shoddy investigation. Meanwhile, my son, who is a cop in a Minneapolis suburb, texted me that chatter on social media is saying they are coming to his area tonight to loot. He is working. I hope he stays safe. |
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Post by sabrinae on May 29, 2020 1:19:30 GMT
I lost my first response so I’ll try to address this. First criminal law is state specific so the answers will depend on the jurisdiction. But? Generally a defendant is entitled to a probable cause hearing or finding of probable cause and indictment by grand jury within a specific time frame after arrest. Often that is somewhere in the 10-14 day time period. A judge can extend that time period for good cause. The case still has to go to grand jury after the preliminary hearing if probable cause is found there. Once indicted there a couple of mechanisms - again state specific by which charges can be changed. Both parties can agree to amend the charges — that generally happens in the course of plea bargaining and generally involves a reduction of charges. If the State wants to increase the level of charges or present a different charge, the State has to go back to a Grand Jury and ask for a superceding indictment. The State May present multiple theories of the crime to the grand jury. Different states title their charges in different ways. Homicide, murder, manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter. How that is done depends on the State and how they define the crimes within statutes and often the differentiating factor is the intent of the defendant and often premeditation. I really wish schools nationwide would do a better job of teaching how the criminal justice system works. Most people don’t understand it and it can be confusing. I hope those broad explanations help. It helps a lot. Thanks! And you gave me even than I would have thought of. I knew different states have different definitions, but I didn't realize that murder and homicide could both be legal definitions of the same thing. I thought murder was the common name and homicide the legal one always. It makes sense with upping the charges that the have to go back to the Grand Jury. So conceivably in a case you could charge 1st degree murder, go the the grand jury with manslaughter and then back to the grand jury with 3rd degree murder? You don’t have to go back to the grand jury if the lesser charges are lesser included offenses. Generally, defendants are also going to agree to lesser charges. There’s a whole jurisprudence around what counts as lesser includes offenses but the basic idea is lesser included offenses have the same elements of the higher charges but the higher charges include proving an additional element for the offense — sometimes a different higher level of intent or the higher level offense could include an aggravating factor like the victim being a police officer. So in your example someone might be charged with manslaughter but more evidence might emerge that it’s actually premeditated murder and so the State would go back to the grand jury to get a superceding indictment. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 29, 2020 1:43:50 GMT
FWIW, DH and I were just talking about this. He is very upset with the violence and looting. He says that it perpetuates stereotypes that black people are thugs and therefore it is understandable that police and others would be scared of them. He also thinks that destroying their own community is bad for them in the short and long term. It isn't like they are destroying the suburbs. They are destroying minority owned businesses as well as national chain stores. They have destroyed peoples homes. The list of businesses that have been destroyed or badly damaged is very long, and last night someone was shot and killed. He pointed out that if the community is destroyed, what businesses will rebuild there? What happens to property values? Do white people swoop in and take advantage of the low property values and then the whole area of the city is changed? He pointed out some long term consequences that I haven't heard anyone talk about.
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Post by likescarrots on May 29, 2020 2:18:49 GMT
I want a thorough investigation. I want this officer to be prosecuted. But, I don’t want for him to get off because of a shoddy investigation. Meanwhile, my son, who is a cop in a Minneapolis suburb, texted me that chatter on social media is saying they are coming to his area tonight to loot. He is working. If your son is a cop in the suburbs, I'm sure he is well aware that over 75 police officers have been 'protecting' this murderers house, I guess that's why there's no one to protect the businesses and the rest of the community ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ This is one massive batch of bad apples if you ask me. Looks like the whole tree is rotten to its roots. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 29, 2020 2:30:13 GMT
I just watched a video of a white guy in a gas mask breaking the windows of the Auto Zone with a hammer. And there were many white people in the crowd. I don't know who started the burning and actual looting but in the video I saw, the initial destruction was definitely a white guy trying not to be seen. That Video started in the middle of it. Not at the start. Stuff was already damaged when he used the hammer. From what I have seen the crowds have been fairly mixed with white and black I’m watching MSNBC live coverage now. They said that earlier today it was more peaceful protests but it sounds like the rowdy bunch came out tonight. It does seem like a pretty mixed group of people. And I have to say that while I am all for white people protesting, white people adding to the negativity and violence is. It helpful of the cause. The reporters are not up in the thick of things and from what I see it seems like people are just walking around and occasionally swearing or flicking the reporters off. But it’s hard to know who is doing what. Where is the national guard? |
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Post by DEX on May 29, 2020 2:36:12 GMT
I want a thorough investigation. I want this officer to be prosecuted. But, I don’t want for him to get off because of a shoddy investigation. Meanwhile, my son, who is a cop in a Minneapolis suburb, texted me that chatter on social media is saying they are coming to his area tonight to loot. He is working. If your son is a cop in the suburbs, I'm sure he is well aware that over 75 police officers have been 'protecting' this murderers house, I guess that's why there's no one to protect the businesses and the rest of the community ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. This is one massive batch of bad apples if you ask me. Looks like the whole tree is rotten to its roots. I am sure these are Mpls. Cops probably working on their time off. He lives in a suburb not anywhere near my son. The police chief and mayor are people I admire and respect. I will reserve judgement for the County Attorney until I see if he indicts. |
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Post by DEX on May 29, 2020 2:37:56 GMT
The news said tonight that while the National Guard has been called, it will take time to mobilize due to the fact that members are scattered throughout the State.
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Post by jillonthehill on May 29, 2020 2:38:09 GMT
That is what I want to know.
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Post by Jamie on May 29, 2020 3:00:35 GMT
I want a thorough investigation. I want this officer to be prosecuted. But, I don’t want for him to get off because of a shoddy investigation. Meanwhile, my son, who is a cop in a Minneapolis suburb, texted me that chatter on social media is saying they are coming to his area tonight to loot. He is working. Thinking of your son. We’re in Robbinsdale and some of the local shops boarded up and closed early. All the targets, Walmarts and Aldi’s around us closed at 3ish today. From the pics I saw they were all boarded up. Brooklyn park, Brooklyn center and Osseo were notified to be on alert as there was talk they would be headed this way tonight. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 29, 2020 3:01:56 GMT
The news said tonight that while the National Guard has been called, it will take time to mobilize due to the fact that members are scattered throughout the State. That is concerning. It seems like they should be able to be at an emergency within the same day. |
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Post by DEX on May 29, 2020 3:04:54 GMT
I want a thorough investigation. I want this officer to be prosecuted. But, I don’t want for him to get off because of a shoddy investigation. Meanwhile, my son, who is a cop in a Minneapolis suburb, texted me that chatter on social media is saying they are coming to his area tonight to loot. He is working. Thinking of your son. We’re in Robbinsdale and some of the local shops boarded up and closed early. All the targets, Walmarts and Aldi’s around us closed at 3ish today. From the pics I saw they were all boarded up. Brooklyn park, Brooklyn center and Osseo were notified to be on alert as there was talk they would be headed this way tonight. That makes sense. I live in that general area. I have been hearing sirens all night. Stay safe. |
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Post by cindyupnorth on May 29, 2020 3:16:10 GMT
The national guard is there. The cops protecting the guys house are off duty and another cities law enforcement. What do you guys expect the cops to do to these rioting people? There really only so much they can do . Think about it. There are 2 major cities and suburbs under rioting..
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Post by DEX on May 29, 2020 3:19:13 GMT
The 3rd precinct is now on fire. This is where the officers were housed.
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