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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 3, 2020 14:03:48 GMT
He used to be a drama teacher, IMO that was pure drama meant to make sure the press didn't ask him yet again about his black face stunt. I watched the video and it seemed staged to me. Still a good message, but I don’t think it was spontaneous like people are saying it was. |
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Post by ashley on Jun 3, 2020 14:05:29 GMT
He used to be a drama teacher, IMO that was pure drama meant to make sure the press didn't ask him yet again about his black face stunt. I watched the video and it seemed staged to me. Still a good message, but I don’t think it was spontaneous like people are saying it was. I have zero problem if my country’s leader stopped and made an eloquent point instead of running his mouth. |
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Post by quiltz on Jun 3, 2020 14:09:04 GMT
He used to be a drama teacher, IMO that was pure drama meant to make sure the press didn't ask him yet again about his black face stunt. Yesterday, in the House of Commons, Trudeau gave a mention to acknowledge his past behaviour and thanked people for helping him realise the racism issues that are in Canada. Many political commentators did say that he said what needed to, without further direct damage to the USA. |
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Post by psiluvu on Jun 3, 2020 14:27:09 GMT
He used to be a drama teacher, IMO that was pure drama meant to make sure the press didn't ask him yet again about his black face stunt. Yesterday, in the House of Commons, Trudeau gave a mention to acknowledge his past behaviour and thanked people for helping him realise the racism issues that are in Canada. Many political commentators did say that he said what needed to, without further direct damage to the USA. And your point is? My point was my IN MY OPINION which I am certainly entitled to. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 3, 2020 14:43:30 GMT
I watched the video and it seemed staged to me. Still a good message, but I don’t think it was spontaneous like people are saying it was. I have zero problem if my country’s leader stopped and made an eloquent point instead of running his mouth. I have zero problems with him saying what he did, either. |
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Post by jillonthehill on Jun 3, 2020 14:46:36 GMT
Back in line Wisconsin, Minnesota gets to go first. Much like Black Friday bargain hunters, our tent has been set up at the border the day the Orange Cheeto was elected back in 2016.
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Post by wallyagain on Jun 3, 2020 14:49:20 GMT
He had to be careful in what he said, we all know how vindictive Trump is. Our economies are totally entwined and it would be easy for Trump to halt much of the Canadian economy.
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Post by quiltz on Jun 3, 2020 15:19:06 GMT
iamkristinl16 psiluvu Below are 3 different takes on what the "pause" might have meant. I don't see any drama teacher mentioned nor have I read that the pause was "staged" www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/justin-trudeaus-long-pause-was-that-really-the-story-of-the-day/Body language experts could spend hours analyzing Trudeau’s response. Did he want to speak more forcefully against Trump but held back? Did he expect the question and deliberately pause for such an extended period? Or did he simply not know what to say? Watch the clip and make your best guess. (Even Trudeau’s harshest critics might have been disarmed by the PM’s prolonged struggle yesterday with, yes, a stubborn case of the hiccups.) From Huff Post: Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau took quite the pause before responding to a question about President Donald Trump on Tuesday. Trudeau was asked to comment on Trump’s call for military action to deal with the protests that have spread across the US following the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis last week. Floyd, a Black man, died after a white police officer knelt on his neck. Trudeau appeared to collect his thoughts for around 20 seconds. ctv.news/iVYxMpi Then, he said: “We all watch in horror and consternation what’s going on in the United States. It is a time to pull people together but it is a time to listen, to learn what injustices continue despite progress over years and decades.” Twitter users were split on the significance of the pause. Many thought Trudeau was being careful in choosing his words in a bid not to anger Trump, given how the US is Canada’s neighbour and trade partner. Some suggested the prime minister had not been prepared for the question. Others, meanwhile, recalled Trudeau’s own racism scandal from 2019, when old images resurfaced of him wearing what appeared to be blackface. CNN’s Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon discussed the pause on Tuesday. “Was it a stunt? What was the effect?” asked Cuomo. “ For me, it’s that a leader doesn’t just talk, a leader has to listen but most importantly, a leader has to feel, a leader has to feel what the people he leads feels.”
“I think he faced a conundrum in that moment that many people face, they don’t know what to say,” said Lemon. “They don’t want to say the wrong thing, they don’t want to jump to conclusions and then you’re just sort of flummoxed because we’ve never really seen anything like this before.”www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8381227/Trumps-actions-render-Trudeau-speechless-21-seconds.htmlCanadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau paused for 21 seconds when asked about U.S. President Donald Trump and the use of tear gas against protesters to clear the way for a photo opportunity. During a televised interview Trudeau, who is usually quick to answer, struggled to come up with the right words when asked about Trump calling for military action against protesters. 'Clearly, Trudeau was not expecting this pointed question. I think he was considering whether to respond at all, which could have been taken to mean he was not going to criticize Trump,' Nelson Wiseman, a political science professor at the University of Toronto told the Associated Press. 'His comments are a criticism of Trump without naming Trump,' he said. Wiseman said Trudeau was wise not to mention Trump directly. 'Trudeau is smart enough to know that. Trump has shown that he can blow a fuse even if he isn't mentioned directly, as happened at the end of the G7,' Wiseman said. After the deadly white nationalist protests in Charlottesville, Virginia in 2017, Trudeau avoiding giving his opinion after Trump seemingly defended the actions of neo-Nazis, saying, there were 'some very fine people on both sides'. Instead her responded: 'That is not how we do things in Canada. A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian.'
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 3, 2020 15:25:00 GMT
iamkristinl16 psiluvu Below are 3 different takes on what the "pause" might have meant. I don't see any drama teacher mentioned nor have I read that the pause was "staged" www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/justin-trudeaus-long-pause-was-that-really-the-story-of-the-day/Body language experts could spend hours analyzing Trudeau’s response. Did he want to speak more forcefully against Trump but held back? Did he expect the question and deliberately pause for such an extended period? Or did he simply not know what to say? Watch the clip and make your best guess. (Even Trudeau’s harshest critics might have been disarmed by the PM’s prolonged struggle yesterday with, yes, a stubborn case of the hiccups.) From Huff Post: Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau took quite the pause before responding to a question about President Donald Trump on Tuesday. Trudeau was asked to comment on Trump’s call for military action to deal with the protests that have spread across the US following the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis last week. Floyd, a Black man, died after a white police officer knelt on his neck. Trudeau appeared to collect his thoughts for around 20 seconds. ctv.news/iVYxMpi Then, he said: “We all watch in horror and consternation what’s going on in the United States. It is a time to pull people together but it is a time to listen, to learn what injustices continue despite progress over years and decades.” Twitter users were split on the significance of the pause. Many thought Trudeau was being careful in choosing his words in a bid not to anger Trump, given how the US is Canada’s neighbour and trade partner. Some suggested the prime minister had not been prepared for the question. Others, meanwhile, recalled Trudeau’s own racism scandal from 2019, when old images resurfaced of him wearing what appeared to be blackface. CNN’s Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon discussed the pause on Tuesday. “Was it a stunt? What was the effect?” asked Cuomo. “ For me, it’s that a leader doesn’t just talk, a leader has to listen but most importantly, a leader has to feel, a leader has to feel what the people he leads feels.”
“I think he faced a conundrum in that moment that many people face, they don’t know what to say,” said Lemon. “They don’t want to say the wrong thing, they don’t want to jump to conclusions and then you’re just sort of flummoxed because we’ve never really seen anything like this before.”www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8381227/Trumps-actions-render-Trudeau-speechless-21-seconds.htmlCanadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau paused for 21 seconds when asked about U.S. President Donald Trump and the use of tear gas against protesters to clear the way for a photo opportunity. During a televised interview Trudeau, who is usually quick to answer, struggled to come up with the right words when asked about Trump calling for military action against protesters. 'Clearly, Trudeau was not expecting this pointed question. I think he was considering whether to respond at all, which could have been taken to mean he was not going to criticize Trump,' Nelson Wiseman, a political science professor at the University of Toronto told the Associated Press. 'His comments are a criticism of Trump without naming Trump,' he said. Wiseman said Trudeau was wise not to mention Trump directly. 'Trudeau is smart enough to know that. Trump has shown that he can blow a fuse even if he isn't mentioned directly, as happened at the end of the G7,' Wiseman said. After the deadly white nationalist protests in Charlottesville, Virginia in 2017, Trudeau avoiding giving his opinion after Trump seemingly defended the actions of neo-Nazis, saying, there were 'some very fine people on both sides'. Instead her responded: 'That is not how we do things in Canada. A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian.' What difference does it make? My opinion is my opinion, just like Chris Cuomo's opinion is his and yours is yours. I thought it seemed staged, but I am not mad about it or really care beyond that. We understand that you don't want your leader criticized (don't we all have that cringe a little bit, even when it is about Trump, who I hate?). But my opinion is as valid as anyone else's. |
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Post by psiluvu on Jun 3, 2020 15:28:08 GMT
 quiltz well my "take" is that he was a drama teacher and knew what he was doing. It was effective but that doesn't mean it wasn't staged. |
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Post by evelynr on Jun 3, 2020 16:27:25 GMT
Hasn't Trump tweeted about this yet?
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Post by catmom on Jun 3, 2020 16:41:15 GMT
I for one don't care if it was staged or not. It would be a gamble if it was staged, but who knows, maybe that theatre background paid off. I think he did the best he could do under the circumstances, and I appreciate that he brought the focus back to our issues in Canada. We can do nothing about our insane neighbours (no offense) but it is too easy as Canadians to say 'well we're not racist like the US' - but that's a low low bar. We have lots to clean up in our own house.
And as a side note, criticizing Trump at this stage would accomplish nothing other than impacting the lives and livelihoods of Canadians during a critical time. Now if the UN wanted to get together and make a declaration, or impose sanctions - well that's a different story. But really, he's democratically elected and if the people of the US aren't bothered enough to have mass protests to deal with his behaviour, there's hardly any point in other countries saying something and putting their/our necks on the line.
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Post by Gennifer on Jun 3, 2020 16:50:35 GMT
We understand that you don't want your leader criticized (don't we all have that cringe a little bit, even when it is about Trump, who I hate?). I’m too busy nodding to cringe when someone criticizes Trump. |
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Post by pjaye on Jun 3, 2020 17:02:08 GMT
there's hardly any point in other countries saying something and putting their/our necks on the line. I find that an interesting sentiment with everything going on tight now, and the repeated comments that people who stand by and do nothing (which would also apply to say nothing) are complicit. He's a bully and a racist among many other things and yet other world leaders stand there and say nothing. If he "throws a tantrum"...so what? Let him eventually he'll run out of resources or things to punish other countries with. No-one is looking to the USA for anything anymore anyway. The white boy's club keeps talking the talk and telling everyone else how to behave, yet are too afraid to walk the walk themselves. Shameful. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 3, 2020 17:03:29 GMT
We understand that you don't want your leader criticized (don't we all have that cringe a little bit, even when it is about Trump, who I hate?). I’m too busy nodding to cringe when someone criticizes Trump. I don't care that they criticize him, but I do cringe because we have a leader that is so worthy of the criticism that he gets. If that makes sense. |
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Post by mandolyn9909 on Jun 3, 2020 17:18:31 GMT
God, what I wouldn’t give to live in Canada or have a leader like they do. Don’t they want to annex Washington state? We will be good and worthy, I promise!!! Brown face Trudeau? Or black face Trudeau? No thank you. And before someone says I support Trump, I do not. I agree. I am a very proud canadian but I don't idolize Trudeau in any way! I had high hopes for him but he has disappointed me too much and the black face pictures were one of those times! Disgusting. I am glad he said something against what is happening there but did he have much of a choice?? Canadians would have ripped him apart if he said he approved with what is happening in the US right no or if he didn't address it at all! |
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Post by quiltz on Jun 3, 2020 18:40:41 GMT
Brown face Trudeau? Or black face Trudeau? No thank you. And before someone says I support Trump, I do not. I agree. I am a very proud canadian but I don't idolize Trudeau in any way! I had high hopes for him but he has disappointed me too much and the black face pictures were one of those times! Disgusting. I am glad he said something against what is happening there but did he have much of a choice?? Canadians would have ripped him apart if he said he approved with what is happening in the US right no or if he didn't address it at all! He had to be very careful in his choice of words because (1)right now the border between the USA & Canada is closed, except for emergent needs (including shipment of produce from USA and other goods and Canada shipping goods to the USA), (2)Trump could put tariffs on imports/exports without caring if it hurts the USA or Canada or Both (3) and being a good diplomat. Germany, France & England (examples) can be a bit more critical but when it is your next door neighbour, choose your words carefully; especially if the neighbour can be very difficult to work with. I was disgusted at the brownface/blackface photos. He has said that he is sorry and he also referenced this issue in the House of Commons yesterday. He was 29 at the time, so 20 years ago. Time to let that go. |
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Post by femalebusiness on Jun 3, 2020 18:54:11 GMT
I have a great deal of sympathy for people in the public eye these days. It must be exhausting to try not to piss off one group or another every time one opens one's mouth.
eta...Except for trump. That fucker doesn't give a damn and actually strives to be obnoxious and evil.
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Post by mandolyn9909 on Jun 3, 2020 18:56:52 GMT
I agree. I am a very proud canadian but I don't idolize Trudeau in any way! I had high hopes for him but he has disappointed me too much and the black face pictures were one of those times! Disgusting. I am glad he said something against what is happening there but did he have much of a choice?? Canadians would have ripped him apart if he said he approved with what is happening in the US right no or if he didn't address it at all! He had to be very careful in his choice of words because (1)right now the border between the USA & Canada is closed, except for emergent needs (including shipment of produce from USA and other goods and Canada shipping goods to the USA), (2)Trump could put tariffs on imports/exports without caring if it hurts the USA or Canada or Both (3) and being a good diplomat. Germany, France & England (examples) can be a bit more critical but when it is your next door neighbour, choose your words carefully; especially if the neighbour can be very difficult to work with. I was disgusted at the brownface/blackface photos. He has said that he is sorry and he also referenced this issue in the House of Commons yesterday. He was 29 at the time, so 20 years ago. Time to let that go. He was 29 not a teen or child? He would have to do a lot more than say "I'm sorry" for me to ever consider voting for him. Honestly it is just very hard to ever trust someones judgement if they thought that was okay at 29...in the year 2000! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2020 20:07:31 GMT
He used to be a drama teacher, IMO that was pure drama meant to make sure the press didn't ask him yet again about his black face stunt. I watched the video and it seemed staged to me. Still a good message, but I don’t think it was spontaneous like people are saying it was. Sometimes it's best to pause than spontaneously spew a lot of drivel like some we know as if he has verbal diarrhea that makes no sense to man or beast. I think silence itself is a form of disapproval.....I have no words! |
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Post by sawwhet on Jun 4, 2020 2:12:37 GMT
He used to be a drama teacher, IMO that was pure drama meant to make sure the press didn't ask him yet again about his black face stunt. He was a drama teacher for a few months! but many people run with it. He was a French and Math teacher full time. Regardless...it was 100% calculated. I don't think it had anything to do with "blackface" but it was better than rambling on about the shitbag to the south. We have enough going on in Canada without getting dragged into Donald's Gong Show. We need to stay in our lane and concentrate on our needs. |
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