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Post by elaine on Jun 3, 2020 22:25:29 GMT
I think every generation ponders that and yet life goes on. But has life got better? In some ways, yes. We don't hang and quarter people anymore. There are some safety nets for the poor, but far from enough. We live in 20 fucking 20 yet still racism is a HUGE problem, as is police brutality, as is the number of people in prison, as is the treatment of people of color in general, as is the bloody sea rising and entire nations in the South Pacific at risk of disappearing. Yeah, life goes on, but it's not a great life, is it? No flying cars, no self-cleaning homes, no clean as a pin oceans... I think not having kids is a totally reasonable reaction. I agree that if people choose to not have children for whatever reason, no one should try to talk them into it. I hate it when that happens. Similarly, if someone chooses to have kids - barring things like being child abusers/addicted to drugs/having medical issues that put the mother’s life in danger by carrying a pregnancy to term -no one should attempt to make them feel guilty about it or try to talk them out of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2020 1:38:58 GMT
"As I thought about my remarks this morning, all I could see was my children. My 8-year-old son and 11-year-old daughter. The wondering of what does all of this look like through their eyes? I see their beauty and innocence, their intellect and brilliance and wonder how the world will snatch it away from them. And then my head begins to spin. You see, because I’ve devoted my life and career to children, I am always palpably aware of their presence. I know they are watching what we do, and what we don’t do. Watching what we say, and what we don’t say. Every moment is instructive. They are listening for something, and if they only hear silence their heads are filled with noise. And this noise can be fear, this noise can be depression, this noise can be complacency, the noise can be grief. And while I don’t condone the looting and vandalism, I know that it is a symptom not the problem. I know it personifies how I feel inside and I wonder if it’s not an opportunity to help my children see this too. That, as wrong as it may be, it is a symbol of our shattering, our devastation and our internal beating every time we see a life lost like George Floyd. George Floyd called out to his mother. His cry reaches the heart of all of us moms. We see our sons and our daughters and we are in shambles. But I think there is hope. I think there is hope because I come from a people who carry hope across generations. A people who despite devastation and terrorization and oppression have written spirituals that lift this whole nation up in hope. A people that have strengthened the fiber of our being even when forces are taking away our breath. I also think there is hope because I study neuroscience and psychology and child development and these things tell us we can create a new narrative. But as mothers and fathers and educators we need to be intentional. This does not happen by chance. Our brains are incredible, miraculous things that can be wired and rewired by our words and our actions. They call it neuroplasticity. The science tells us that children are not born hating other children or rendering certain people invisible. This happens over time. You see every circumstance is a data point that forms an idea. Watching that black boy in pre-school get kicked out of class repeatedly is a data point, pretending as though the founding of this country did not come at the hands of genocide is a data point, silence in the aftermath of a killing is a data point. And these data points form ideas. And these ideas begin to cluster and form schema. And this schema dictates behavior. We are developing racist schema and reinforcing racist ideas in the minds of our children when we fail to talk to them about racism. When we fail to tell the truth about history. When we fail to point out injustice whether it’s overt or covert. You see, when we put children at the center of our lives, our comfort or discomfort become less and less important. Our words today can save lives tomorrow. Our children are the souls we will send into a time we will likely never see...."More at link: www.bizjournals.com/portland/news/2020/06/02/kali-ladd.html
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2020 1:40:45 GMT
It really gets to the meaning of life. I am Buddhist but I don't believe in literal reincarnation. I don't believe we 100% choose to have our kids. I believe figuring our your philosophy is the meaning of life and the people in your life are there with you for a reason that may be very unclear for a long long time, but I do believe there is a reason why things are the way they are...and for me that is a great source of mystery, joy and satisfaction. I could do it with or without my children but maybe we don't have as much choice as we think we do on having kids or certainly which kids we get. This is far out and probably not in line with other's beliefs and I don't think it is truly an official Buddhist idea although Buddhism is extremely diverse. So I could be wrong but it feels right to me.
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Post by peasapie on Jun 4, 2020 1:52:30 GMT
Never. The world has always been an imperfect place, but it is full of beauty and goodness too.
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Post by sassyangel on Jun 4, 2020 5:26:26 GMT
While I do understand those feelings on one level, I couldn’t have children - and I would’ve loved to even with the world being so messed up currently. So no - I honestly don’t feel like that, probably because of that.
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Post by koontz on Jun 4, 2020 8:30:54 GMT
Perhaps I am an eternal optimist but I don't feel this. I grew up during the cold war in Europe and clearly remember the mass protests against the cruise missiles and neutron bombs stationed here in the Netherlands. I remember being really scared back then that we'd end up in a nuclear war (with Europe nicely located in the middle . I remember the issues we had with terrorism in Europe, the ETA in Spain, the IRA in Ireland, the Baader Meinhof group (Rote Armee Fraktion) in Germany. There were plenty scary things in the world back then. There are different scary things today, but I see in my kids and their friends such spirit and optimism. I see young people stand up for their principles with passion and eloquence(i.e. the Parkland teens on guns, Greta Thunberg and others on climate change). Whether you agree with them or not, you have to admire their passion. I have so much hope for my children and their peers. I agree with Psiluvu; they will be able to make the world better. I remember these things too. Now we have JUST as scary things, and they keep popping up. Just different people, different places, but just as bad. What if you lived in Syria; would you still feel any optimism at all? What if you were a refugee trying to cross the Mediterranean and your children drowned. What if your ten year old daughter was stolen by the Boko Haram and you knew they would rape her, violently, over and over again? What if a family member was a victim of a bombing by Isil? What if your darling son was shot in the back while jogging in the freaking US? Same problems, different places, different people. Better for you and I, yes, but far far worse for so many others. You can't just look at your situation and say "Oh, things are so much better." Look at the world as a whole. Are they really that much better? I think the world is way too effed up for our children to be able to fix it. That is a fair question to ask, but I must admit I lost some sleep over it. I'd like to think I am not naive, I am well aware of how privileged we are simply by being born in this country, and we made sure that our kids realize this too. We're not entitled to anything, we're just lucky. I know there's a whole generation in Syria who grew up knowing nothing else but war, I am concerned about the position of girls and women in many places in the world and the increased intolerance and racism, even in my country that is historically known as one of the most tolerant countries. I realize the world is a very scary place for many people who struggle daily just to keep their children alive.
So no, I don`t think the world as a whole is that much better. I think progress takes time, many generations, and will come with set backs. I do think we know a lot more than we did in the past because of the global communication tools that we did not have when I grew up. All it takes is a camera with a cell phone and an internet connection.
My first reaction to your question was 'No, of course I would not feel the same if I were in any of those situations. I would probably be desperate and not feel any optimism at all'. But hope is such a powerful thing. I can't look at the horrible things that are happening around the world and conclude that the world is nothing more than a horrible place. Not without seeing all the wonderful things that happen too. There are terrible people that do terrible things, but there are also amazing people who go above and beyond to care for others. There are many people that want to make the world a better place - look at the protests against racism all over the world following the death of George Floyd.
It's funny, because I had doubts for a very long time about having children. It's having children that has changed my perspective and definitely made me a more optimistic person.
I do understand how you can feel differently about this, I also read the pain in some of the messages in this thread and I am really sorry.
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Post by zella on Jun 6, 2020 1:42:57 GMT
Yeah, life goes on, but it's not a great life, is it? No flying cars, no self-cleaning homes Maybe we don't have flying cars but we do have all sorts of wonderful amazing things. It's easy to lose sight of them though, when we're in the middle of a pandemic. That was just me being sarcastic. That's how so many people used to portray the year 2020. I couldn't give a fig about those things. I want things like true racial equality; true gender equality; income parity; etc.
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Post by zella on Jun 6, 2020 1:54:11 GMT
I remember these things too. Now we have JUST as scary things, and they keep popping up. Just different people, different places, but just as bad. What if you lived in Syria; would you still feel any optimism at all? What if you were a refugee trying to cross the Mediterranean and your children drowned. What if your ten year old daughter was stolen by the Boko Haram and you knew they would rape her, violently, over and over again? What if a family member was a victim of a bombing by Isil? What if your darling son was shot in the back while jogging in the freaking US? Same problems, different places, different people. Better for you and I, yes, but far far worse for so many others. You can't just look at your situation and say "Oh, things are so much better." Look at the world as a whole. Are they really that much better? I think the world is way too effed up for our children to be able to fix it. That is a fair question to ask, but I must admit I lost some sleep over it. I'd like to think I am not naive, I am well aware of how privileged we are simply by being born in this country, and we made sure that our kids realize this too. We're not entitled to anything, we're just lucky. I know there's a whole generation in Syria who grew up knowing nothing else but war, I am concerned about the position of girls and women in many places in the world and the increased intolerance and racism, even in my country that is historically known as one of the most tolerant countries. I realize the world is a very scary place for many people who struggle daily just to keep their children alive.
So no, I don`t think the world as a whole is that much better. I think progress takes time, many generations, and will come with set backs. I do think we know a lot more than we did in the past because of the global communication tools that we did not have when I grew up. All it takes is a camera with a cell phone and an internet connection.
My first reaction to your question was 'No, of course I would not feel the same if I were in any of those situations. I would probably be desperate and not feel any optimism at all'. But hope is such a powerful thing. I can't look at the horrible things that are happening around the world and conclude that the world is nothing more than a horrible place. Not without seeing all the wonderful things that happen too. There are terrible people that do terrible things, but there are also amazing people who go above and beyond to care for others. There are many people that want to make the world a better place - look at the protests against racism all over the world following the death of George Floyd.
It's funny, because I had doubts for a very long time about having children. It's having children that has changed my perspective and definitely made me a more optimistic person.
I do understand how you can feel differently about this, I also read the pain in some of the messages in this thread and I am really sorry.
My husband tried to convince me the world is way better off. I see the numbers. Extreme poverty is shrinking. The illiteracy rate has shrunk. In many ways things are better than they were when we were born in the 60's. But I still feel concerned. I believe we are capable of turning around the environmental issues, but I don't believe the people in power will try to do to so. Not those in power now in the countries that most need the changes. And there will come a point when it's too late, and that point isn't too far in the future.
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Post by ComplicatedLady on Jun 6, 2020 5:55:05 GMT
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