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Post by mikklynn on Jun 5, 2020 20:11:48 GMT
I wrote this three times and chickened about posting it. Then decided to go ahead as we need to be open and honest here about how we feel. I know I am going to be lambasted and labeled with ugly words, but please look at the video with an open mind, think of the policeman in question as a son or brother and watch again. You would find excuses for him then just like you are now finding fault with him now because he is a policeman. I hate that this happened and it is a rough world out there. Yes they were rough with the gentleman, BUT if someone gets in my face to yell at me like he was, I am not apt to act peacefully. Then I saw an officer get on his mic and I hope it was to call in for help for him. There were voices saying get a medic, it might have been an officer or it might have been another protestor. I am not saying he asked for it, but what was the gentleman expecting to happen? The police line had to move forward, did he think that by getting in the way he would be able to stop it? He would not get out of the way. He was pushed, but how hard? The fact he tripped and fell could have been cause he was pushed too hard, or could have been cause he stumbled, or there might have been a crack in the pavement. I am not supporting anything I saw there, nor am I saying he asked for it, but please look again at the video and see if you can see other ways to interpret what you are seeing. If they had offered assistance to a bleeding old man, not kept on moving, I might agree with you. And there was a lot of blood. If they even looked at him, they had to see it. I can agree the law enforcement officers are all on edge. Rightfully so. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2020 20:24:51 GMT
It does seem really troubling to me that police would "resign" in support of this use of force, but it does also explain why they were all stepping around a gentleman bleeding on the ground. In my opinion law enforcement has a “blue” problem. They back the “bad apples” by either not speaking out or sticking up for them. It’s disgusting.  |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 5, 2020 21:02:22 GMT
There was also another man deliberately pushed down by police. Thinking Washington, but not at all sure! He was walking with a cane.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Jun 5, 2020 21:51:36 GMT
I wrote this three times and chickened about posting it. Then decided to go ahead as we need to be open and honest here about how we feel. I know I am going to be lambasted and labeled with ugly words, but please look at the video with an open mind, think of the policeman in question as a son or brother and watch again. You would find excuses for him then just like you are now finding fault with him now because he is a policeman. I hate that this happened and it is a rough world out there. Yes they were rough with the gentleman, BUT if someone gets in my face to yell at me like he was, I am not apt to act peacefully. Then I saw an officer get on his mic and I hope it was to call in for help for him. There were voices saying get a medic, it might have been an officer or it might have been another protestor. I am not saying he asked for it, but what was the gentleman expecting to happen? The police line had to move forward, did he think that by getting in the way he would be able to stop it? He would not get out of the way. He was pushed, but how hard? The fact he tripped and fell could have been cause he was pushed too hard, or could have been cause he stumbled, or there might have been a crack in the pavement. I am not supporting anything I saw there, nor am I saying he asked for it, but please look again at the video and see if you can see other ways to interpret what you are seeing. I think you should take your own advice and look at the video again. You seem to think the police had no choice but to push him out of the way. But look at the video--there was plenty of room to step around him. And in fact, they DID step around him, but only when he was lying on the ground and bleeding. This "look for another way to interpret" it crap is just like the "there are good people on both sides." No, there is no other way to interpret it, and no, there are not good people on both sides. |
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Post by gar on Jun 5, 2020 21:54:23 GMT
I don't know if it's been posted upthread but the protester was 75 or 76. Certainly an older man.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 5, 2020 21:55:30 GMT
And they didn’t resign from the police force, just that part of the job (riot team I think).
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Post by stittsygirl on Jun 5, 2020 21:57:17 GMT
I hadn’t ever noticed the helmet in his hand either. It’s being said that he was trying to return it to them. Hopefully he’ll recover fully, and be able to tell his side of the story. That was so much blood though, so fast  . |
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Post by pinklady on Jun 5, 2020 21:59:18 GMT
I don't know if it's been posted upthread but the protester was 75 or 76. Certainly an older man. Has anyone confirmed that he was actually a protester? In all honesty, it looked like he walked up to them to ask a question or get help. |
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Post by gar on Jun 5, 2020 22:05:29 GMT
I don't know if it's been posted upthread but the protester was 75 or 76. Certainly an older man. Has anyone confirmed that he was actually a protester? In all honesty, it looked like he walked up to them to ask a question or get help. I'm not sure to be honest. |
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Post by christine58 on Jun 5, 2020 22:14:58 GMT
Has anyone confirmed that he was actually a protester? In all honesty, it looked like he walked up to them to ask a question or get help. I'm not sure to be honest. Yes...he's an activist and was there protesting |
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Post by Dallie on Jun 5, 2020 23:30:32 GMT
there was no need for excessive force in this situation. There are situations I see in the news that is 100% uncalled for degree of force. What makes this excessive. I watched this video 5 times before I made this post, what I see is him approach the officer, and the officer take his right hand and push him aside. It didn't (to me) even seem like that big of a push, but he definitely pushed him to the side with one hand. The results were awful, but the push "to me" didn't seem like an excessive use of force. Assuming he was told to "get out of the way" and he didn't, what was their recourse? Other then the injuries being terrible, what "excessive force" was used with a one handed push out of the way? Do people want zero physical contact at this point? When I worked retail, I had people scream at me, throw stuff at me, wipe poop filled diapers on my counter, call me horrible names, get in my face And accuse me of the most heinous things, and block my path. Did not know I was entitled to shove them out of my way. I walked around them. What a concept. Because (1) I would have lost my job, (2) they could have called the cops on me for assault, and (3) it is an outsized response to get physical over something like that. If you have self control. And that is so much of what is happening -- lack of self control married to a desire to hurt. I have a clear memory one day of how my largely untrained security guard exerted tremendous self control in the face of personal, racist, long provocation. He went over to a cashier who was dealing with an increasingly belligerent and verbally abusive customer. Upon seeing my SG, the man launches into a racist tirade, using the N word constantly, using the SG's name (from his name tag), pointing his finger in his face, and finally poking him in the shoulder. My SG was 6'5" with hands like ham hocks. He could have punched this guy out without exerting much force. Instead, he kept his cool and managed to get him out the door without once touching him. if my UNTRAINED security guard could manage that, I have to ask why cops with all this expensive training, supposed vetting, and protective gear feel the correct response to someone is to assault them? |
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