artbabe
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Post by artbabe on Jun 14, 2020 16:59:04 GMT
I thought of another topic.
Why do scrapbook companies keep using objects that are basically obsolete? It is so weird.
Examples: Dad = necktie. Some people still wear them, sure, but so many men don't wear them anymore Diaper pins. I don't know much about diapers but I think the modern cloth diapers use velcro or something like that, don't they? Cassettes. Records have made a comeback so I can see why those are used but when is the last time you saw a cassette?
And the word "Rad". You need to be so careful with slang- it changes so much, but as a middle school teacher I know that "rad" is definitely out.
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breetheflea
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Post by breetheflea on Jun 14, 2020 17:08:23 GMT
Rotary phones and women wearing dresses with aprons I don't get but I do like a good vintage typewriter icon (I own two typewriters) and my van still has a cassette player (it's from 2004).
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Post by artisticscrapper on Jun 14, 2020 17:20:37 GMT
Yes. I see these retro images pop up sometimes in family oriented collections. I’m adding: Moms being portrait as 50s TV housewives Offices with typewriters Landline phones with dials
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Post by Linda on Jun 14, 2020 17:27:19 GMT
Diaper pins. I don't know much about diapers but I think the modern cloth diapers use velcro or something like that, don't they? yes - many modern cloth diapers use velcro/aplix or snaps. I used pins with my older two (now 28 and 20) but velcro with my youngest (13). I still have the odd diaper pin - they are great for threading elastic through waistbands for sewing. Retro sells though (not just in scrapbooking) - it harkens back to a time/era (esp. the 50s retro) that many think of with nostalgia and the good old days. As we (hopefully) know - they weren't the good old days for everyone though.
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Post by joblackford on Jun 14, 2020 17:43:21 GMT
Retro sells though (not just in scrapbooking) - it harkens back to a time/era (esp. the 50s retro) that many think of with nostalgia and the good old days. As we (hopefully) know - they weren't the good old days for everyone though. especially the "good" old days bit. I think neckties are a convenient visual shortcut. If I showed you a drawing of a sun with a happy face wearing a tie and asked you what holiday it represented you'd probably guess Father's Day pretty quickly, even if all the dads you knew wore overalls to work every day. Or at least, I'm guessing that it would still mean the same thing to people who never knew a dad who wore a tie to work - I might be wrong, and that might be projecting my own experience/privileged culture onto other people... which is what scrapbooking companies and TV shows tend to do (the image I described was one I saw this morning on CBS talking about Father's Day). My dad did wear a tie every day for my whole childhood, but even 30 or 40 years ago most dads probably didn't, and it only spoke to a small segment of shoppers, and actually drove others away. I don't like the tie image (especially when I'm cardmaking) but I also can't think of another image that you could add to a smiling face sunshine that would say "dad" - adding a baby/kid would probably prompt most people to think mom. So, maybe we also have to update our culture and our thoughts...? And since anyone can love fishing or gears or cars none of the visual shortcut cliche images really work any more (except that they still do for a lot of people.) I struggled to make Father's Day cards this year because I really didn't want to use those cliches. But I don't mind aprons and typewriters and cassette tapes or records. A lot of those things have been coopted by younger people and reinvented anyway, or have nostalgia value (tapes - so visually interesting and so many of us 40 and 50-somethings who have money to spend have fond memories of tapes).
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Post by alone_inacrowdedroom on Jun 14, 2020 18:05:35 GMT
I thought of another topic. Why do scrapbook companies keep using objects that are basically obsolete? It is so weird. Examples: Dad = necktie. Some people still wear them, sure, but so many men don't wear them anymore Diaper pins. I don't know much about diapers but I think the modern cloth diapers use velcro or something like that, don't they? Cassettes. Records have made a comeback so I can see why those are used but when is the last time you saw a cassette? And the word "Rad". You need to be so careful with slang- it changes so much, but as a middle school teacher I know that "rad" is definitely out. Cassettes made a comeback - they’ve been pretty trendy the last two years. Some of my slightly younger friends that are in bands recorded their last couple albums on cassettes. And they are much cooler and in the know with what’s on trend than I am, lol!
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Post by artemisiagenx on Jun 14, 2020 20:25:53 GMT
Just working on Father’s Day cards, and I had the same thoughts. It’s all ties, beer, fishing, golf, tools, BBQ grills, cars and motorcycles. Ugh. My dad isn’t into any of that stuff.
It’s now a self-fulfilling prophecy...we reiterate and reinforce these roles, unwittingly.
Sorry to go all Noam Chomsky on a papercrafting board. I’m just frustrated by the simplistic and inflexible nature of what we’re fed, constantly.
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Post by curiouscrafter on Jun 15, 2020 0:17:54 GMT
And since anyone can love fishing or gears or cars none of the visual shortcut cliche images really work any more (except that they still do for a lot of people.) I struggled to make Father's Day cards this year because I really didn't want to use those cliches. I just had this same issue while making a fathers day card - I ended up using an Adirondack chair, which I thought was universal for relaxation...HAHA
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Post by joblackford on Jun 15, 2020 0:19:28 GMT
And since anyone can love fishing or gears or cars none of the visual shortcut cliche images really work any more (except that they still do for a lot of people.) I struggled to make Father's Day cards this year because I really didn't want to use those cliches. I just had this same issue while making a fathers day card - I ended up using an Adirondack chair, which I thought was universal for relaxation...HAHA ooh, yes, that's a good one!
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chendra
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Post by chendra on Jun 15, 2020 0:29:39 GMT
At least they've gotten rid of pipes!
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camcas
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Post by camcas on Jun 15, 2020 2:46:04 GMT
Just working on Father’s Day cards, and I had the same thoughts. It’s all ties, beer, fishing, golf, tools, BBQ grills, cars and motorcycles. Ugh. My dad isn’t into any of that stuff. It’s now a self-fulfilling prophecy...we reiterate and reinforce these roles, unwittingly. Sorry to go all Noam Chomsky on a papercrafting board. I’m just frustrated by the simplistic and inflexible nature of what we’re fed, constantly. ITA....and add the colour pink!
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jun 15, 2020 9:02:45 GMT
How about the outdated school icons?
One room school house with a bell tower.
Green chalkboard.
Apple for the teacher.
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Post by myboysnme on Jun 15, 2020 11:38:36 GMT
Yes I agree about all the outdated images. Stop making them! The schoolhouse has got to go. Even my great grandparents didn't go to one of those.
Necktie, motor cycles, tools, golf, fishing, lawnmower, grill, beer all cliche but I don't know what you can use for dad. I think I like just the word Dad in different fonts and colors. I love a good theme but Dad is a hard one to capture. And my dad did all those, but my husband not so much.
I think if I did a dad collection I would use computers, laptops, cell phones, game systems, large screen television maybe. Do most dads use those things now?
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sueg
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Post by sueg on Jun 15, 2020 12:11:28 GMT
Grandmas with grey hair in a bun and a walking stick! I'm not yet 60, my hair is not all grey and is cut in a stylish short cut, and I can walk just fine, thanks very much!
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mjmone
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Post by mjmone on Jun 15, 2020 14:02:14 GMT
a bit of nostalgia is fun... after this thread, I am going to use my rotary phone papers I have set aside...oooh granddaughter just got her first cell for her birthday!
This years father's day card I used a cut apart from a Covid Line...and wrote about a 'unique' fathers day. Cuz like you all said, I just did not want to do the traditional tie or bear in a hat.
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Post by KikiPea on Jun 15, 2020 14:26:50 GMT
Maybe because we don't scrap just current photos? If someone is scrapping their childhood, they may need a cassette, or their dad when they were growing up, and he wore ties. If a company didn't still put these items out there, we wouldn't have them anymore because companies do not re-release collections, and stores do not carry old products forever. Just a thought.
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Post by babylou on Jun 15, 2020 15:05:00 GMT
I think if a collection is retro/vintage themed, then using some of those older images and items is understandable. But, making a "new" collection and using older images is kind of annoying to me. Like others have said about the Dads, or men's lines. And, also, the last couple of teenage boy collections that have come out. Let's start including up to date items. Gaming systems, cell phones, tablets, newer cars or trucks rather then just classic cars etc. I'm sure there are lots of other things but of course I can't think of them now! To those of you who have Dads or husbands who aren't interested or doing the usual things that you can find paper/embellies for-I would take what they are interested in and come up with a way to make a card including that. Or, make a simple card using their favorite colors. Men usually prefer simple anyway. Or, if they have a dog, or like dogs, use a dog on the card-just for example. Or if they like music, use music notes, or guitars, etc. Sometimes we have to think outside of the box and not use what the companies push for collections. And, no matter what is on it, I'm pretty sure every Dad and husband appreciates whatever card you make them!
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artbabe
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Post by artbabe on Jun 15, 2020 16:28:25 GMT
I do like retro lines (the newer family game night line is really cool) but it gets weird when they make a modern line and use old things. I've pulled out some of my nephews baby pictures to scrap and the diaper pins were strange to me.
I'm scrapping kids old school pictures now and I was noticing all of the old fashioned cliche stuff. I'm a teacher and I absolutely hate an apple representing a teacher. That has absolutely nothing to do with my job- it is just weird. All of the old fashion school supplies are difficult to use. I do like the fairly recent Pinkfresh teen/school line. It got a lot of the images right. I'm using the backpack paper like crazy.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jun 15, 2020 16:30:20 GMT
babylou I agree! We're crafty and shouldn't need to be spoon-fed manufactured icons to make a Father's Day card. DH loves his dog (I cannot stress exactly how much he loves that dog). A Father's Day card with a picture of the dog on it (and if I actually made it from the dog) would be the best card he could ever get. We have the ability to make this hobby our own using basic paper, scissors and glue. I'm not much of an icon user, so I would pick colors that DH likes and make a card that says Happy Father's Day
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Post by myboysnme on Jun 15, 2020 19:06:17 GMT
Grandmas with grey hair in a bun and a walking stick! I'm not yet 60, my hair is not all grey and is cut in a stylish short cut, and I can walk just fine, thanks very much! Oh yes, and cookie baking with Grandma or grandma with a ball of yarn knitting. Time to update that stuff.
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Post by warrior1991 on Jun 15, 2020 19:22:42 GMT
Slight hi-jack. My 12 year old nephew thinks it's crazy that we didn't have a remote control for our TV when I was a kid (I'm 47). That we had to get off our butts to change the channel. He thinks that would be so much work. I said no we only had 3 channels. His jaw drops. LOL!!!
Hi-jack over
I'm tired of the cassette and boom-box images on the boy papers. My nephews don't know what that stuff is. I can't use that stuff for cards for them. They want cars and X-Box and phones.
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Post by Linda on Jun 15, 2020 19:30:26 GMT
To those of you who have Dads or husbands who aren't interested or doing the usual things that you can find paper/embellies for-I would take what they are interested in and come up with a way to make a card including that. Or, make a simple card using their favorite colors. Men usually prefer simple anyway. Or, if they have a dog, or like dogs, use a dog on the card-just for example. Or if they like music, use music notes, or guitars, etc. Sometimes we have to think outside of the box and not use what the companies push for collections. And, no matter what is on it, I'm pretty sure every Dad and husband appreciates whatever card you make them! Agreed -I often use Lego as the 'theme' for cards for DH - that's his interest
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Post by mrssch on Jun 18, 2020 15:56:41 GMT
I love record albums, cassette and boom box icons! I was a teenager in the eighties. I have a great love of music and I remember times and events through music and musicians.
I am now the proud owner of a working 8-track player!
I totally agree about the grandparents icons! No cookie baking, rocking chairs or gray buns for this Nana.
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