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Post by kayk on Jun 17, 2020 20:56:32 GMT
What’s up with the Maggie Holmes drama on Instagram? People are selling her products vowing to never buy any more ever again..... looks like everything was deleted.
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Post by mom on Jun 17, 2020 21:12:07 GMT
hmmm interesting. Off to figure it out.
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Post by azcrafty on Jun 17, 2020 21:27:44 GMT
I can't find anything about this.
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Post by mom on Jun 17, 2020 21:44:17 GMT
I can't find anything about this. Me neither.
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Post by pancakes on Jun 17, 2020 22:12:49 GMT
Where did you see this originally?
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Post by kayk on Jun 17, 2020 22:15:06 GMT
Where did you see this originally? On you tube this afternoon. The crafter directs you to another page youtu.be/nRG_HOhArEQ
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jun 17, 2020 22:23:33 GMT
apparently she posted an Instagram story (?) that said she didn't want to rely on unreliable sources for information, and I guess that was referring to the video of George Floyd's death-- ?? something to that effect, is what I get out of the instagram account screenshots linked under the youtube video. At the very least, it sounds like what Maggie Holmes wrote was a very poor choice of wording to get across her meaning.
below was copied from the screenshot of her Instagram stories:
"It wasn't because I wanted to ignore what is going on in the world... rather the opposite.
Sometimes too many voices and too much noise is simply that... TOO MUCH.
I needed some time and space to seek out wisdom and information from trusted reliable sources instead of relying on whatever was popping up in my feed or being reposted by the masses... and most of all to be more able to fully HEAR HIM. (not sure to whom she is referring here- George Floyd? God?? Is Maggie Holmes religious?)
If you're feeling the same don't be afraid to take a break from social media. It will all still be here when you get back!
#hearhim"
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It looks like that's what her detractors think she meant- that the video of him saying "I can't breathe" isn't credible or reliable. Does the #hearhim hashtag refer to George Floyd? I haven't seen anything about that hashtag before this. It sounds like Maggie Holmes had a Becky Higgins-type of over-explaining thing going on; when she probably should have written LESS, she wrote more.
ETA: when I searched out that hashtag on instagram, what came up was a boatload of LDS posts and photos. Did she mean "Hear Him" as in God, or Jesus?? either way, poor wording.
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Post by kayk on Jun 17, 2020 22:37:20 GMT
Thank you Crimson Cat...... I am not good at navigating through Instagram. I’ll have to think about this one. Maggie did not seem thoughtless, rude or mean spirited.
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Post by don on Jun 17, 2020 22:38:01 GMT
For a heart stained in anger grows weak and grows bitter. You become your own prisoner as you watch yourself sit there wrapped up in a trap of your very own chain of sorrow. John Prine
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Post by mom on Jun 17, 2020 22:48:12 GMT
apparently she posted an Instagram story (?) that said she didn't want to rely on unreliable sources for information, and I guess that was referring to the video of George Floyd's death-- ?? something to that effect, is what I get out of the instagram account screenshots linked under the youtube video. At the very least, it sounds like what Maggie Holmes wrote was a very poor choice of wording to get across her meaning. below was copied from the screenshot of her Instagram stories: "It wasn't because I wanted to ignore what is going on in the world... rather the opposite. Sometimes too many voices and too much noise is simply that... TOO MUCH. I needed some time and space to seek out wisdom and information from trusted reliable sources instead of relying on whatever was popping up in my feed or being reposted by the masses... and most of all to be more able to fully HEAR HIM. (not sure to whom she is referring here- George Floyd? God?? Is Maggie Holmes religious?)If you're feeling the same don't be afraid to take a break from social media. It will all still be here when you get back!
#hearhim"
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It looks like that's what her detractors think she meant- that the video of him saying "I can't breathe" isn't credible or reliable. Does the #hearhim hashtag refer to George Floyd? I haven't seen anything about that hashtag before this. It sounds like Maggie Holmes had a Becky Higgins-type of over-explaining thing going on; when she probably should have written LESS, she wrote more.
ETA: when I searched out that hashtag on instagram, what came up was a boatload of LDS posts and photos. Did she mean "Hear Him" as in God, or Jesus?? either way, poor wording. Maggie is extremely religious -- LDS. The #hearhim hashtag is often used in LDS, as in 'listen to God'. I have no doubt Maggie did not mean 'hear him' to be in reference to George Floyd. Poor choice of words on Maggie's part. But I also think those who are ready to boycott her would want to do so anyway --- regardless of what she said or what she meant. I've never seen Maggie post inflammatory posts, political posts, or anything that is controversial. EVER. So I have to believe that she meant well and just did not come across as she intended too. Edited to add: Ignore me. I should not have defended Maggie before digging into all of this. I just know *my* own personal experience with MH and not the experiences of others.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jun 17, 2020 23:00:52 GMT
Me: *checks the board in bed, just before going to sleep* 2PR: DRAMA ALERT! Me: I guess I'm not going to sleep right away... Poor choice of words on Maggie's part. But I also think those who are ready to boycott her would want to do so anyway --- regardless of what she said or what she meant. Actually, no. @clara_no_sabe_cortar_derecho on Insta used loads of MH stuff, even very recently. Just scroll down. It's 100% her preferred aesthetic and she creates a lot. She's a Latina woman and it seems like it's the WOC who loved MH stuff before this who are boycotting her now. Not people using MH's white privilege outrage rant about hearing God > George Floyd's murder video to find a new entry into the drama vortex loop. Kudos to them. Without them speaking up and having the receipts, I wouldn't even have known about this. As a matter of fact, the same account that has all the tea in IG stories also gave a shout-out to the *actual* designer of the collections, Lauren Waltman, as a preface. Can confirm #hearhim is a Mormon social media strategy tool. You can read more about it here. Maggie is LDS. She knew exactly what she was writing and what she was writing was that she needed to drown out the stories of a black man's on tape murder to listen to God instead. That "it's ok to step back from social media, it'll still be here when you come back" is BS in light of the current events in the US. That's just an excuse to not face the terrible injustices you've never had to suffer from as a privileged white woman, Mags. Oh well. Crate Paper better hope they didn't stick her name to the 2020 Christmas collection... ETA: Listening to @clara_no_sabe_cortar_derecho's own thoughts on the issue in Spanish right now and it's clear that she's over this white privileged stance of walking away and not saying a thing when a major social upheavel is happening about a subject that doesn't affect you directly while using the excuses Maggie did which were in her comments (screenshot in those IG stories Clara posted) such as wanting to take time to reflect, asking God for guidance. Essentially, taking time off while the subject is hot so you don't have to get involved in it. That right there is the privilege these women are calling out and rightfully so. Imagine if all the rebels who changed the world had done the same. Yah, welcome to the extended version of the feudal Middle Ages. Now's the time to speak up and lend support even if it's an imperfect, work in progress type of support.
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Post by pancakes on Jun 17, 2020 23:15:08 GMT
Me: *checks the board in bed, just before going to sleep* 2PR: DRAMA ALERT! Me: I guess I'm not going to sleep right away... Poor choice of words on Maggie's part. But I also think those who are ready to boycott her would want to do so anyway --- regardless of what she said or what she meant. Actually, no. @clara_no_sabe_cortar_derecho on Insta used loads of MH stuff, even very recently. Just scroll down. It's 100% her preferred aesthetic and she creates a lot. She's a Latina woman and it seems like it's the WOC who loved MH stuff before this who are boycotting her now. Not people using MH's white privilege outrage rant about hearing God > George Floyd's murder video to find a new entry into the drama vortex loop. Kudos to them. Without them speaking up and having the receipts, I wouldn't even have known about this. As a matter of fact, the same account that has all the tea in IG stories also gave a shout-out to the *actual* designer of the collections, Lauren Waltman, as a preface. Can confirm #hearhim is a Mormon social media strategy tool. You can read more about it here. Maggie is LDS. She knew exactly what she was writing and what she was writing was that she needed to drown out the stories of a black man's on tape murder to listen to God instead. That "it's ok to step back from social media, it'll still be here when you come back" is BS in light of the current events in the US. That's just an excuse to not face the terrible injustices you've never had to suffer from as a privileged white woman, Mags. Oh well. Crate Paper better hope they didn't stick her name to the 2020 Christmas collection... ETA: Listening to @clara_no_sabe_cortar_derecho's own thoughts on the issue in Spanish right now and it's clear that she's over this white privileged stance of walking away and not saying a thing when a major social upheavel is happening about a subject that doesn't affect you directly while using the excuses Maggie did which were in her comments (screenshot in those IG stories Clara posted) such as wanting to take time to reflect, asking God for guidance. Essentially, taking time off while the subject is hot so you don't have to get involved in it. That right there is the privilege these women are calling out and rightfully so. Imagine if all the rebels who changed the world had done the same. Yah, welcome to the extended version of the feudal Middle Ages. Now's the time to speak up and lend support even if it's an imperfect, work in progress type of support. I barely speak Spanish — what was she saying about how MH wasn’t giving credit to the three designers who actually designed her line? Was she taking issue with that?
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jun 17, 2020 23:20:28 GMT
ETA: Listening to @clara_no_sabe_cortar_derecho's own thoughts on the issue in Spanish right now and it's clear that she's over this white privileged stance of walking away and not saying a thing when a major social upheavel is happening about a subject that doesn't affect you directly while using the excuses Maggie did which were in her comments (screenshot in those IG stories Clara posted) such as wanting to take time to reflect, asking God for guidance. Essentially, taking time off while the subject is hot so you don't have to get involved in it. That right there is the privilege these women are calling out and rightfully so. Imagine if all the rebels who changed the world had done the same. Yah, welcome to the extended version of the feudal Middle Ages. Now's the time to speak up and lend support even if it's an imperfect, work in progress type of support. I barely speak Spanish — what was she saying about how MH wasn’t giving credit to the three designers who actually designed her line? Was she taking issue with that? She was just mentioning that it's not even MH's own work but other designers that AC rebrands as Maggie Holmes stuff. Basically, she's not boycotting the actual artist of those lines. She then went on to show other stuff you can buy from other brands like the Spanish designer (Lemon Pie collection) where there's no hiding of the real artist behind a trendy person's name for marketing purposes. She was denouncing the hypocrisy of the MH brand name in passing.
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Post by mom on Jun 17, 2020 23:20:46 GMT
Me: *checks the board in bed, just before going to sleep* 2PR: DRAMA ALERT! Me: I guess I'm not going to sleep right away... Poor choice of words on Maggie's part. But I also think those who are ready to boycott her would want to do so anyway --- regardless of what she said or what she meant. Actually, no. @clara_no_sabe_cortar_derecho on Insta used loads of MH stuff, even very recently. Just scroll down. It's 100% her preferred aesthetic and she creates a lot. She's a Latina woman and it seems like it's the WOC who loved MH stuff before this who are boycotting her now. Not people using MH's white privilege outrage rant about hearing God > George Floyd's murder video to find a new entry into the drama vortex loop. Kudos to them. Without them speaking up and having the receipts, I wouldn't even have known about this. As a matter of fact, the same account that has all the tea in IG stories also gave a shout-out to the *actual* designer of the collections, Lauren Waltman, as a preface. Can confirm #hearhim is a Mormon social media strategy tool. You can read more about it here. Maggie is LDS. She knew exactly what she was writing and what she was writing was that she needed to drown out the stories of a black man's on tape murder to listen to God instead. That "it's ok to step back from social media, it'll still be here when you come back" is BS in light of the current events in the US. That's just an excuse to not face the terrible injustices you've never had to suffer from as a privileged white woman, Mags. Oh well. Crate Paper better hope they didn't stick her name to the 2020 Christmas collection... ETA: Listening to @clara_no_sabe_cortar_derecho's own thoughts on the issue in Spanish right now and it's clear that she's over this white privileged stance of walking away and not saying a thing when a major social upheavel is happening about a subject that doesn't affect you directly while using the excuses Maggie did which were in her comments (screenshot in those IG stories Clara posted) such as wanting to take time to reflect, asking God for guidance. Essentially, taking time off while the subject is hot so you don't have to get involved in it. That right there is the privilege these women are calling out and rightfully so. Imagine if all the rebels who changed the world had done the same. Yah, welcome to the extended version of the feudal Middle Ages. Now's the time to speak up and lend support even if it's an imperfect, work in progress type of support. You are 1000% right, sleepingbooty . I was quick to defend Maggie but hadn't really dug into it. I should have stayed quiet until I read (and had DH translate) everything. I have dealt with Maggie one-on-one and LDS does influence everything she does and I wanted to give her credit when it really wasn't due.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jun 17, 2020 23:26:58 GMT
Actually, no. @clara_no_sabe_cortar_derecho on Insta used loads of MH stuff, even very recently. Just scroll down. It's 100% her preferred aesthetic and she creates a lot. She's a Latina woman and it seems like it's the WOC who loved MH stuff before this who are boycotting her now. Not people using MH's white privilege outrage rant about hearing God > George Floyd's murder video to find a new entry into the drama vortex loop. Kudos to them. Without them speaking up and having the receipts, I wouldn't even have known about this. As a matter of fact, the same account that has all the tea in IG stories also gave a shout-out to the *actual* designer of the collections, Lauren Waltman, as a preface. Can confirm #hearhim is a Mormon social media strategy tool. You can read more about it here. Maggie is LDS. She knew exactly what she was writing and what she was writing was that she needed to drown out the stories of a black man's on tape murder to listen to God instead. That "it's ok to step back from social media, it'll still be here when you come back" is BS in light of the current events in the US. That's just an excuse to not face the terrible injustices you've never had to suffer from as a privileged white woman, Mags. Oh well. Crate Paper better hope they didn't stick her name to the 2020 Christmas collection... You are 1000% right, sleepingbooty . I was quick to defend Maggie but hadn't really dug into it. I should have stayed quiet until I read (and had DH translate) everything. I have dealt with Maggie one-on-one and LDS does influence everything she does and I wanted to give her credit when it really wasn't due. Hey, I'd much rather you speak up imperfectly than stay quiet à la Maggie Holmes! No, you shouldn't have stayed quiet. This is how conversations go. "I think XYZ." "Well, actually, have you considered ABC?" "I hadn't. Now that you mention ABC, I get a better picture of the situation and see the issue differently." This is how the ball keeps rolling, mom.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jun 17, 2020 23:29:12 GMT
Clara also tagged the three designers that have worked on MH collections over the years. If you like the MH x Crate Paper aesthetic, you may want to follow them instead of following MH since they are the actual artistic source.
Here they on IG (thanks to @clara_no_sabe_cortar_derecho's IG stories):
@ missyhealyturner @ lauren_waltman @ jlsimmons
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Post by ecvnj58 on Jun 17, 2020 23:48:12 GMT
sleepingbooty gave a good recap. Maggie Holmes could have said nothing but she didn’t. She instead came and posted about how she used her privilege to tune out what’s going on in her feed. I’m going to stop buying from her too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 0:08:18 GMT
Anyone want to guess how long it will take CP/AC to cut ties with her?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 0:08:23 GMT
She instead came and posted about how she used her privilege to tune out what’s going on in her feed. Well, I was one that "wanted" (not really, never liked her stuff anyway) to boycott her, and now I can't think of a better reason!
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Post by mom on Jun 18, 2020 0:23:39 GMT
sleepingbooty gave a good recap. Maggie Holmes could have said nothing but she didn’t. She instead came and posted about how she used her privilege to tune out what’s going on in her feed. I’m going to stop buying from her too. But staying silent wasn't the answer either. Anyone watching the video knew it was wrong. That it was murder. Her staying silent would be her being complicit. Its ok to say you don't know where to find all the answers, but you are committed to finding them. Its ok to say that yes, there is a ton of information and opinions being thrown out into the internet and that you need to take a second and get to the bottom of something. Its NOT ok to say you are going silent and tuning everything out. I am a Christian (and lets face, I cuss like a sailor and screw up on the daily), and I did not need to think for 1/2 a second about if George Floyds death was 1. murder, 2. a murder committed because he was black. There is absolutely no need for me to consult with God to know those two things are true. I am not super familiar with LDS, but I assume they are taught to recognize wrong when it is blatant and call it out for what it is.
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Post by mom on Jun 18, 2020 0:25:07 GMT
Anyone want to guess how long it will take CP/AC to cut ties with her? I am not sure they will. Especially before the Christmas line. They might not do any more collections with her, but I am betting they are too far in the process to rebrand all of her Christmas stuff.
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Post by ecvnj58 on Jun 18, 2020 0:36:34 GMT
mom, totally agree with you. I don’t think CP/AC will drop her. I don’t feel like there is the same pressure on companies in the scrapbooking space as in other spaces. I feel like some companies will start bringing more diversity as a result but the majority will still stay the same. I wonder how much customers care. I say this from the view that my scrapbook instagram is way more back to “normal” than my other instagrams. I think those of us that want change need to keep pushing for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 1:41:16 GMT
Anyone want to guess how long it will take CP/AC to cut ties with her? I am not sure they will. Especially before the Christmas line. They might not do any more collections with her, but I am betting they are too far in the process to rebrand all of her Christmas stuff. Ah yes, I forgot how far in advance lines are produced and whatnot. I also never knew she had designers who developed the lines while her name got credit.
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Post by mom on Jun 18, 2020 2:04:08 GMT
I am not sure they will. Especially before the Christmas line. They might not do any more collections with her, but I am betting they are too far in the process to rebrand all of her Christmas stuff. Ah yes, I forgot how far in advance lines are produced and whatnot. I also never knew she had designers who developed the lines while her name got credit. I think its that way with most 'named' designer collections. I know with AC the 'named designer' only gives the in-house designer color inspirations, mood boards, etc. The in-house designer does all the actual design work.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 2:45:40 GMT
I am not sure they will. Especially before the Christmas line. They might not do any more collections with her, but I am betting they are too far in the process to rebrand all of her Christmas stuff. Ah yes, I forgot how far in advance lines are produced and whatnot. I also never knew she had designers who developed the lines while her name got credit. All the names have paid designers that do the actual work creating images that fit the esthetic of a personality’s line.
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Post by Jessica on Jun 18, 2020 3:21:46 GMT
sleepingbooty gave a good recap. Maggie Holmes could have said nothing but she didn’t. She instead came and posted about how she used her privilege to tune out what’s going on in her feed. I’m going to stop buying from her too. But staying silent wasn't the answer either. Anyone watching the video knew it was wrong. That it was murder. Her staying silent would be her being complicit. Its ok to say you don't know where to find all the answers, but you are committed to finding them. Its ok to say that yes, there is a ton of information and opinions being thrown out into the internet and that you need to take a second and get to the bottom of something. Its NOT ok to say you are going silent and tuning everything out. I am a Christian (and lets face, I cuss like a sailor and screw up on the daily), and I did not need to think for 1/2 a second about if George Floyds death was 1. murder, 2. a murder committed because he was black. There is absolutely no need for me to consult with God to know those two things are true. I am not super familiar with LDS, but I assume they are taught to recognize wrong when it is blatant and call it out for what it is. You said this perfectly.
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Post by QueSeraSera on Jun 18, 2020 4:17:05 GMT
Anyone want to guess how long it will take CP/AC to cut ties with her? The owners of AC are Mormon. Maggie Holmes is their dream designer.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 5:07:42 GMT
I think this is a case of really bad timing but I’ve never been a MH product user. It seems she does a lot of other things—not just Scrapbooking and planners.
If she want to be respectfully quiet for now and learn from others, that’s her choice to make. If she feels there’s too much chaos swirling about her at any given time, step back quietly and regroup. Is t that what Tuesday was all about? Listening instead of spewing forth noise?
You can not demand that every person speaks out on any topic or situation. If everyone is speaking, no one is listening. We are each given a time and place for speaking and for listening.
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Post by Ren on Jun 18, 2020 5:13:25 GMT
Ah yes, I forgot how far in advance lines are produced and whatnot. I also never knew she had designers who developed the lines while her name got credit. All the names have paid designers that do the actual work creating images that fit the esthetic of a personality’s line. Yep! I was quite surprised to realise a few years back that most of my favourite designers don't actually design! Someone who actually designs their collections explained to me that there's 'faceless' in house designers, while the name gets the credit.. think MH, Dear Lizzy... Some do their own lettering.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 5:24:39 GMT
All the names have paid designers that do the actual work creating images that fit the esthetic of a personality’s line. Yep! I was quite surprised to realise a few years back that most of my favourite designers don't actually design! Someone who actually designs their collections explained to me that there's 'faceless' in house designers, while the name gets the credit.. think MH, Dear Lizzy... Some do their own lettering.
Being an employed graphic designer for a popular brand is not a bad day job. Not everyone wants their name to be a household word. Nice work if you can get it.
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