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Post by sleepingbooty on Jun 19, 2020 19:11:17 GMT
No offense but graduation ceremonies are already a bonus, a privilege. Many countries don't hold these. Students work just as hard in their final year, go through just as much stress for the final exams (which are a major deal as they are national exams in some countries) and they just find out a few weeks later, in July, whether they've actually graduated or not. There's no ceremony. You stand in line in front of the wall where the lists of names are hung, you search for your name while being pushed by loads of other folks trying to find their name and breathe with relief if you've made it. Then it's a rush to stand in line with hundreds of other students, most from other schools you've never met before, to get your piece of paper handed to you without any decorum or solemnity. It's literally: "ID please. Sign your name on the list. Here's your interim paper. Your official diploma will be mailed to you in a couple of months' time." No special attire, photo ops or stage.
To see this happening for a *celebration* in the midst of a global pandemic is really mindblowing. You have your diploma despite the madness of the current situation, that ought to be enough reason for happiness and relief. I understand there's a graduation culture in the US but you'd think people dying or getting terribly sick with possibly life-altering consequences would be enough to step back and look at the bigger picture but alas.
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Post by joblackford on Jun 19, 2020 20:31:18 GMT
No offense but graduation ceremonies are already a bonus, a privilege. Many countries don't hold these. Students work just as hard in their final year, go through just as much stress for the final exams (which are a major deal as they are national exams in some countries) and they just find out a few weeks later, in July, whether they've actually graduated or not. There's no ceremony. You stand in line in front of the wall where the lists of names are hung, you search for your name while being pushed by loads of other folks trying to find their name and breathe with relief if you've made it. Then it's a rush to stand in line with hundreds of other students, most from other schools you've never met before, to get your piece of paper handed to you without any decorum or solemnity. It's literally: "ID please. Sign your name on the list. Here's your interim paper. Your official diploma will be mailed to you in a couple of months' time." No special attire, photo ops or stage. To see this happening for a *celebration* in the midst of a global pandemic is really mindblowing. You have your diploma despite the madness of the current situation, that ought to be enough reason for happiness and relief. I understand there's a graduation culture in the US but you'd think people dying or getting terribly sick with possibly life-altering consequences would be enough to step back and look at the bigger picture but alas. I was thinking much the same. We don't even graduate from high school in NZ. The Head Girl of my year quit school in October (Dec being the end of the school year) because she got into her tertiary education based on her previous year's grades and nothing was to be gained by staying in school for the last 3 months. We definitely have a different culture - no graduations for kindergarten, or any other school transition either. Only at the university level, approximately 4 months after the end of the school year. I missed my MA graduation because I had already moved on with my life and was living in another country. I didn't really care. (I realize that's also my privilege speaking - although I was the first person in my family to graduate from uni, it wasn't a struggle, and at that time the whole thing was rather meaningless and empty.) But yeah, this was a luxury on top of luxury because my understanding is that the school did have some kind of official celebration too (correct me if I'm wrong - that's hearsay). The school probably worked long and hard to make that happen for those kids.
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Post by julie5 on Jun 19, 2020 20:31:48 GMT
If the Condren twins and their mother had not been prominently featured in the development of this plan for holding graduation, would we be reading about this and being all outraged? If the student body leadership had been Finn Jones and his mother Erin Jones...would we even know this had happened? I would be just as outrage if anyone part John Q. Public had done this and the media reported it so that I could read it. It has nothing to do with her being a leader in the planner community. The immense White privilege she is passing on to her children makes me want to hurl. I told my 18 yo daughter who also graduated about it and withheld any opinion until she reacted. She thought it was disgusting too. But she also stood with me in support of black lives in 100 degree heat so that’s the kind of person I raised and I’m quite proud of that. She is not afraid to put me in check when discussing politics and privilege either.
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Post by joblackford on Jun 19, 2020 20:34:22 GMT
If the Condren twins and their mother had not been prominently featured in the development of this plan for holding graduation, would we be reading about this and being all outraged? If the student body leadership had been Finn Jones and his mother Erin Jones...would we even know this had happened? I would be just as outrage if anyone part John Q. Public had done this and the media reported it so that I could read it. It has nothing to do with her being a leader in the planner community. The immense White privilege she is passing on to her children makes me want to hurl. I told my 18 yo daughter who also graduated about it and withheld any opinion until she reacted. She thought it was disgusting too. But she also stood with me in support of black lives in 100 degree heat so that’s the kind of person I raised and I’m quite proud of that. She is not afraid to put me in check when discussing politics and privilege either. Congratulations on your daughter's graduation, Julie!
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Post by julie5 on Jun 19, 2020 20:36:00 GMT
No offense but graduation ceremonies are already a bonus, a privilege. Many countries don't hold these. Students work just as hard in their final year, go through just as much stress for the final exams (which are a major deal as they are national exams in some countries) and they just find out a few weeks later, in July, whether they've actually graduated or not. There's no ceremony. You stand in line in front of the wall where the lists of names are hung, you search for your name while being pushed by loads of other folks trying to find their name and breathe with relief if you've made it. Then it's a rush to stand in line with hundreds of other students, most from other schools you've never met before, to get your piece of paper handed to you without any decorum or solemnity. It's literally: "ID please. Sign your name on the list. Here's your interim paper. Your official diploma will be mailed to you in a couple of months' time." No special attire, photo ops or stage. To see this happening for a *celebration* in the midst of a global pandemic is really mindblowing. You have your diploma despite the madness of the current situation, that ought to be enough reason for happiness and relief. I understand there's a graduation culture in the US but you'd think people dying or getting terribly sick with possibly life-altering consequences would be enough to step back and look at the bigger picture but alas. I’m quite over the preschool, 5th grade, 8th grade and so on graduations. My community has turned every grade into a graduation. To me a graduation means you get a diploma. So high school, university or college, grad school. Your kid graduated preschool. So what, he can sing his abcs? And the parents aren’t always to blame. When my youngest was going through the grades we were invited to the graduation by the school. So you feel obligated to show up and be proud. But it’s kind of getting out of hand.
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Post by Citygirl on Jun 19, 2020 21:02:09 GMT
The ridiculous over celebration of life events can occupy an entire thread all to itself.
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Post by cumber1137 on Jun 19, 2020 22:04:21 GMT
This is disgusting. I stopped purchasing from the brand when I discovered Passion Planner which just works so much better for me. I can't carry such a bulky planner in my job. Also, who needs a $60 planner? That is ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 22:56:32 GMT
No offense but graduation ceremonies are already a bonus, a privilege. Many countries don't hold these. Students work just as hard in their final year, go through just as much stress for the final exams (which are a major deal as they are national exams in some countries) and they just find out a few weeks later, in July, whether they've actually graduated or not. There's no ceremony. You stand in line in front of the wall where the lists of names are hung, you search for your name while being pushed by loads of other folks trying to find their name and breathe with relief if you've made it. Then it's a rush to stand in line with hundreds of other students, most from other schools you've never met before, to get your piece of paper handed to you without any decorum or solemnity. It's literally: "ID please. Sign your name on the list. Here's your interim paper. Your official diploma will be mailed to you in a couple of months' time." No special attire, photo ops or stage. To see this happening for a *celebration* in the midst of a global pandemic is really mindblowing. You have your diploma despite the madness of the current situation, that ought to be enough reason for happiness and relief. I understand there's a graduation culture in the US but you'd think people dying or getting terribly sick with possibly life-altering consequences would be enough to step back and look at the bigger picture but alas. I would not expect you to understand the importance American students place on graduation ceremonies but disparaging it and dismissing it as superfluous is rude. So it’s not your thing. Ok. That’s fine. It is our thing. Students here work for twelve to fourteen years to reach this goal. The grow up watching older siblings and cousins and friends achieve this milestone and be celebrated for it. In many cases it’s something that their parents or grandparents did not achieve. It’s a milestone we choose to celebrate. No need to poo poo it if you do not.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 23:04:58 GMT
No offense but graduation ceremonies are already a bonus, a privilege. Many countries don't hold these. Students work just as hard in their final year, go through just as much stress for the final exams (which are a major deal as they are national exams in some countries) and they just find out a few weeks later, in July, whether they've actually graduated or not. There's no ceremony. You stand in line in front of the wall where the lists of names are hung, you search for your name while being pushed by loads of other folks trying to find their name and breathe with relief if you've made it. Then it's a rush to stand in line with hundreds of other students, most from other schools you've never met before, to get your piece of paper handed to you without any decorum or solemnity. It's literally: "ID please. Sign your name on the list. Here's your interim paper. Your official diploma will be mailed to you in a couple of months' time." No special attire, photo ops or stage. To see this happening for a *celebration* in the midst of a global pandemic is really mindblowing. You have your diploma despite the madness of the current situation, that ought to be enough reason for happiness and relief. I understand there's a graduation culture in the US but you'd think people dying or getting terribly sick with possibly life-altering consequences would be enough to step back and look at the bigger picture but alas. I would not expect you to understand the importance American students place on graduation ceremonies but disparaging it and dismissing it as superfluous is rude. So it’s not your thing. Ok. That’s fine. It is our thing. Students here work for twelve to fourteen years to reach this goal. The grow up watching older siblings and cousins and friends achieve this milestone and be celebrated for it. In many cases it’s something that their parents or grandparents did not achieve. It’s a milestone we choose to celebrate. No need to poo poo it if you do not. Just so you are aware, schools in Asian countries and European Countries are a lot harder than our educational system. There are also tracks. You have to work extremely hard in what would be our elementary to get on a track for university. If not you go to trade school track, which btw can earn you are very nice wage and life style. There are also tests unlike ours that are very hard. Education is seen differently in other countries.
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Post by refugeepea on Jun 19, 2020 23:14:13 GMT
Um, what is up with the photos with the 2 Black young men NOT wearing graduation garb? Did that incredibly white group of graduates grab those young men for a token photo op? They look like WTF is going on? We came to the beach to practice social distancing, and this? Her bio twins + twins (friends of their twins) they adopted. I was confused about that as well.
I also want to know if there are any legal repercussions for lying on the application for the "protest march." I hope there's a push in her community to see her punished. According to her apology, there wasn't any lying on an application. I think I read that right. If the student body leadership had been Finn Jones and his mother Erin Jones...would we even know this had happened? Yes, based on the article that was published. People and businesses everywhere are being called out.
I’m quite over the preschool, 5th grade, 8th grade and so on graduations. My community has turned every grade into a graduation. To me a graduation means you get a diploma. So high school, university or college, grad school. Your kid graduated preschool. So what, he can sing his abcs? And the parents aren’t always to blame. When my youngest was going through the grades we were invited to the graduation by the school. So you feel obligated to show up and be proud. But it’s kind of getting out of hand. Here's my take. My son has never and will never earn a true diploma. He has no friends. He doesn't do sports or extra curricular activities. He doesn't talk. His "friends" were his paras and teacher. Fifth grade graduation is all he had going for him. They did a drive through graduation instead.
He's being sent to a new school next year and does not understand elementary school ended. I was devastated with how abruptly the school year ended. I was selfishly not ready for "summer break" so early. I even had the speech therapist tell me one of the first students I thought of was your son and if you and him were doing okay.
All of that being said, I don't feel like it's a right. It's a privilege. I understand the sadness when it is taken away. I've also seen with my 5 nieces and nephews that graduated this year (all high school), the community outpouring to make it special. My sister told me I told my daughter we are putting a stop to all this celebrating! It's been all about you for too long!
ETA: Wanted to add they made a poster for my son. He got a sandbucket filled with treats and toys and one of his paras bought him a t-shirt that says I virtually graduated 5th grade 2020. Even he got a boatload of stuff. His siblings got nothing for 5th grade graduation.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jun 19, 2020 23:54:10 GMT
No offense but graduation ceremonies are already a bonus, a privilege. Many countries don't hold these. Students work just as hard in their final year, go through just as much stress for the final exams (which are a major deal as they are national exams in some countries) and they just find out a few weeks later, in July, whether they've actually graduated or not. There's no ceremony. You stand in line in front of the wall where the lists of names are hung, you search for your name while being pushed by loads of other folks trying to find their name and breathe with relief if you've made it. Then it's a rush to stand in line with hundreds of other students, most from other schools you've never met before, to get your piece of paper handed to you without any decorum or solemnity. It's literally: "ID please. Sign your name on the list. Here's your interim paper. Your official diploma will be mailed to you in a couple of months' time." No special attire, photo ops or stage. To see this happening for a *celebration* in the midst of a global pandemic is really mindblowing. You have your diploma despite the madness of the current situation, that ought to be enough reason for happiness and relief. I understand there's a graduation culture in the US but you'd think people dying or getting terribly sick with possibly life-altering consequences would be enough to step back and look at the bigger picture but alas. I would not expect you to understand the importance American students place on graduation ceremonies but disparaging it and dismissing it as superfluous is rude. So it’s not your thing. Ok. That’s fine. It is our thing. Students here work for twelve to fourteen years to reach this goal. The grow up watching older siblings and cousins and friends achieve this milestone and be celebrated for it. In many cases it’s something that their parents or grandparents did not achieve. It’s a milestone we choose to celebrate. No need to poo poo it if you do not. I didn't poo poo graduation celebrations. I pointed out it was a bonus and not necessary to actually graduate making it definitely not essential during the midst of a global pandemic. 600+ people gathered in very, very close proximity, almost no one wearing masks, hugging and clinging to each other. You've seen the photos. It's madness. Paired with the "cunning" loophole BLM protest march plan (and the admitting there was an alternative hula hoop version that was considered), it's simply idiotic and very dangerous. People want to celebrate. Celebrating is fun. It's also superfluous, yes. We all do superfluous things. But we have got to step back and use some common sense as well as apply the actual rules and the exceptional changes in what is allowed and what isn't to help fight off - let me say it one more time in case the message isn't getting through - a global pandemic. This isn't the time for it. We're all *not* doing fun things because of it. Graduation ceremonies, weddings, heck even normal-sized funerals are off right now and for a good reason. I have not been rude to you or your compatriots. You, however, have been nothing but abrasive in this thread. The rhetoric question whether we'd care if Erin Condren hadn't been mentioned was clearly indicative of an emotionally loaded response on your behalf. I don't know what's going on in your life right now but I'm going to assume there's some kind of graduation or party/ceremony trauma happening due to Covid-19 (or EC fangirling). This pandemic sucks but it won't help you feel better misconstruing what other people are saying. FYI, non-American students spend just as many years working towards graduation. As a matter of fact, it would be 15 years in France because school officially begins at age 3 here. But I'm not counting because this wasn't some bizarre nationalistic discussion about education. It was about unnecessary risks being taken and faux legal loopholes being conjured up by a woman who is the creative director and name of a paper company. It still is. You can try as hard as you like to turn the thread into some different, explosive polemic to take the heat off the original article but I'm not playing along. Been there, worked in PR.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jun 20, 2020 0:02:21 GMT
refugeepea Aww, poor dude. I feel for him. It must be hard comprehending what's happening with school being stopped so early and no return until the next school year. I hope he can transition smoothly into the new school. Things are already so confusing for us, let alone the young ones. Do you think you could get him some closure by preparing something for his paras? Thank you & goodbye cards for the paras maybe? I'm not sure if he enjoys drawing. julie5 Congrats to your kiddo! And to you for succeeding in your role as a homeschool educator.
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Post by refugeepea on Jun 20, 2020 0:15:58 GMT
Do you think you could get him some closure by preparing something for his paras? Thank you & goodbye cards for the paras maybe? I'm not sure if he enjoys drawing. I actually made cards myself, that were 90% done and then he had a tiny amount of sleep and they weren't finished in time for graduation. He would not be willing to help. He has a terrible attitude about people. He does not suffer from low self esteem. More like of course you love me, I hate you all. Be grateful you are in my presence.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jun 20, 2020 0:23:28 GMT
Do you think you could get him some closure by preparing something for his paras? Thank you & goodbye cards for the paras maybe? I'm not sure if he enjoys drawing. I actually made cards myself, that were 90% done and then he had a tiny amount of sleep and they weren't finished in time for graduation. He would not be willing to help. He has a terrible attitude about people. He does not suffer from low self esteem. More like of course you love me, I hate you all. Be grateful you are in my presence. The cattitude is strong with this one!
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Post by refugeepea on Jun 20, 2020 0:32:03 GMT
The cattitude is strong with this one! Definitely! It's his spirit animal. He even likes the cat toys that are balls that make noise.
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Post by msliz on Jun 20, 2020 0:32:49 GMT
No offense but graduation ceremonies are already a bonus, a privilege. Many countries don't hold these... I would not expect you to understand the importance American students place on graduation ceremonies but disparaging it and dismissing it as superfluous is rude. So it’s not your thing. Ok. That’s fine. It is our thing. Students here work for twelve to fourteen years to reach this goal. The grow up watching older siblings and cousins and friends achieve this milestone and be celebrated for it. In many cases it’s something that their parents or grandparents did not achieve. It’s a milestone we choose to celebrate. No need to poo poo it if you do not. Yes, it is superfluous. Graduation parties are not necessary. Period. End of sentence. And I'm as apple pie American as they come. Two of mine graduated this year, one from college and one from high school. Diplomas came in the mail. No celebrations outside of a dinner with me, their father, and their little sister. They're a little sad but they'll get over it. I've never been tempted to lie or to in any way compromise my ethics in order to secure them a party. So, no, I will not excuse anyone throwing a graduation party during a pandemic, nor will I excuse the disgusting act of throwing a graduation party under the guise of a BLM march.
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Post by joblackford on Jun 20, 2020 0:37:06 GMT
Oh my gosh, these poor kids had to suffer so much, with no way to celebrate their graduation... they must have felt so ignored... missing out on any recognition of their achievements over the past 13 years... poor things... /sarcasm/ ETA: these are pictures from the official celebrations the school put on for these poor, hard done by kids. Not exactly nothing. As good as anyone could expect while keeping everyone SAFE. The source is their local news: Official Mira Costa graduation ceremonies
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Post by julie5 on Jun 20, 2020 1:25:23 GMT
refugeepea Aww, poor dude. I feel for him. It must be hard comprehending what's happening with school being stopped so early and no return until the next school year. I hope he can transition smoothly into the new school. Things are already so confusing for us, let alone the young ones. Do you think you could get him some closure by preparing something for his paras? Thank you & goodbye cards for the paras maybe? I'm not sure if he enjoys drawing. julie5 Congrats to your kiddo! And to you for succeeding in your role as a homeschool educator. Aww thanks but the one that graduated is a public school kid. My youngest one is 16 and still homeschooling. He’s doing great and will be eligible for a certificate at the end of schooling. refugeepea I feel you. My youngest has learning and social disabilities and I homeschool him. He won’t get a high school diploma/graduation like his sisters. But this years graduation with my other child showed me it doesn’t have to look the same, so long as the child feels celebrated and that their accomplishments are recognized. I actually enjoyed our graduation. We sat in the parking lot while the ceremony was broadcast on the radio. Then at the end we drove parade style through town and the community held up signs and cheered and whistled. We decorated our cars with signs and balloons and paint. I can see this becoming a new tradition and I hope it will for future generations. Social distancing and masks were observed. ETA each family stayed in the respective vehicle.
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Post by refugeepea on Jun 20, 2020 1:25:43 GMT
Oh my gosh, these poor kids had to suffer so much, with no way to celebrate their graduation... Notice how they carefully curated a collection of photos of students wearing masks and using safe social distancing? No partying on the beach. No photos of friends hugging each other.
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Post by joblackford on Jun 20, 2020 1:32:27 GMT
Oh my gosh, these poor kids had to suffer so much, with no way to celebrate their graduation... Notice how they carefully curated a collection of photos of students wearing masks and using safe social distancing? No partying on the beach. No photos of friends hugging each other. That's actually because this was official news coverage of the REAL grad celebrations. Not the BS afterparty the Condrens arranged. These kids weren't missing out on anything except a chance to spread covid cooties far and wide and that makes me just as mad as the BS lies about it being a protest.
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Post by ecvnj58 on Jun 20, 2020 12:40:24 GMT
It’s happening in the town next to mine too and I think it’s disgusting. I’m also shocked at how celebratory the article about it is.
It’s probably happening more places because a lot of people unfortunately think they are above this pandemic or are young enough they will be fine. Also they think the police won’t do anything about it and they are right . The governor told them they couldn’t do it until July. I’m sure that the town police knew and nothing happened. They got an article celebrating them in the paper.
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Post by coffeegirl on Jun 20, 2020 16:52:29 GMT
Announced on IG she’s “apologized” and is stepping back and taking some time away from the company. Presumably to salvage what they can of the brand and to hope this all dies down so when she comes back people will not remember to use their $ In alignment with their principles.
Wrong kind of distancing EC.
No mention of anything substantive in terms of actual support for BLM or heck, even a donation or support of health care workers or youth programs. Something to use up some of the privilege she mentioned she’s just learned about.
There are plenty of other companies that have set the example on how to manage this, but not EC.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jun 21, 2020 19:30:05 GMT
Aww thanks but the one that graduated is a public school kid. My youngest one is 16 and still homeschooling. He’s doing great and will be eligible for a certificate at the end of schooling. Woops, my bad, congrats to your other kid. So glad to hear your youngest is continuing to thrive with homeschooling.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jun 21, 2020 19:31:28 GMT
Announced on IG she’s “apologized” and is stepping back and taking some time away from the company. Presumably to salvage what they can of the brand and to hope this all dies down so when she comes back people will not remember to use their $ In alignment with their principles. Wrong kind of distancing EC.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jun 21, 2020 19:33:10 GMT
Two of mine graduated this year, one from college and one from high school. Hey, congrats to your kiddos!
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jun 21, 2020 19:35:54 GMT
The cattitude is strong with this one! Definitely! It's his spirit animal. He even likes the cat toys that are balls that make noise. He'd have to be super quick to get his hands on my mother's cats' ball toys. Boy, those are a fave all around! She was complaining about one of the cats playing in the middle of the night with those noisy balls and having to hunt them down from under the furniture before bedtime or risk getting woken up at 3AM.
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Post by artisticscrapper on Jun 21, 2020 20:50:02 GMT
I’ve been off the board for a few days so I missed this. How absolutely disgusting. These people have lied to the authorities to get a permit then bragged about it, thrown safety precautions out the window, and possibly endangered kids’ lives. Then they posted photos celebrating the whole thing. I don’t do planners so I don’t know who this woman is. If I did I’d be spending my money elsewhere.
Congratulations to all of you who have new grads in the family!
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Post by sassyangel on Jun 21, 2020 21:19:35 GMT
No offense but graduation ceremonies are already a bonus, a privilege. Many countries don't hold these. Students work just as hard in their final year, go through just as much stress for the final exams (which are a major deal as they are national exams in some countries) and they just find out a few weeks later, in July, whether they've actually graduated or not. There's no ceremony. You stand in line in front of the wall where the lists of names are hung, you search for your name while being pushed by loads of other folks trying to find their name and breathe with relief if you've made it. Then it's a rush to stand in line with hundreds of other students, most from other schools you've never met before, to get your piece of paper handed to you without any decorum or solemnity. It's literally: "ID please. Sign your name on the list. Here's your interim paper. Your official diploma will be mailed to you in a couple of months' time." No special attire, photo ops or stage. To see this happening for a *celebration* in the midst of a global pandemic is really mindblowing. You have your diploma despite the madness of the current situation, that ought to be enough reason for happiness and relief. I understand there's a graduation culture in the US but you'd think people dying or getting terribly sick with possibly life-altering consequences would be enough to step back and look at the bigger picture but alas. I would not expect you to understand the importance American students place on graduation ceremonies but disparaging it and dismissing it as superfluous is rude. So it’s not your thing. Ok. That’s fine. It is our thing. Students here work for twelve to fourteen years to reach this goal. The grow up watching older siblings and cousins and friends achieve this milestone and be celebrated for it. In many cases it’s something that their parents or grandparents did not achieve. It’s a milestone we choose to celebrate. No need to poo poo it if you do not. People are poo poo-ing your defense of it, not the tradition. Is this really the kind of unethical, entitled behavior you want to defend?
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Post by PaperAngel on Jun 21, 2020 21:53:25 GMT
Condren's young adult daughter attended a BLM march & was inspired...to do something to benefit herself & her friends. Sadly, it seems she participated in the march because it was trendy, not for the cause. All the young adults/graduates & parents, who were packed at the Pier during a pandemic & in violation of local guidelines, should be ashamed of themselves, fined, & forced to do community service. Each of them is as guilty in jeopardizing public health as the Condrens.
As an aside: Since Condren publicly admitted they lie to get what they want, & the school caters to them (ie mom on the graduation committee whose twin children are student body president & class president), perhaps the Condren children's college admissions should be audited...
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Post by hop2 on Jun 22, 2020 12:33:19 GMT
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