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Post by miominmio on Jul 1, 2020 12:51:08 GMT
You can check out fhi.no yourself👍 (Information is available in English). Test capacity is currently 100.000 per week (population of 5.5 million), so everyone who is symptomatic will be tested (or anyone who might have been exposed). According to FHI, there is little evidence to suggest that non-medical masks can help contain spreading the virus, and that it might actually increase the risk of getting infected. And it isn’t «the Government» who issues the advice, but FHI who are epidemiologists. And they have, of course, access to all the research that is currently being done everywhere in the world. In the US, wearing a mask has become a political issue it seems. I did checkout fhi.no, very nice to have it in English, thanks. But they say that their advice not to wear masks is based on the WHO recommendations. These were changed at the beginning of June and now say that there is evidence that non-medical face coverings reduce the spread of the disease - evidence has been building through the pandemic. Equally, there is no evidence that face coverings increase the risk of getting infected. Masks aren't enough on their own, but they help. Maybe Norway has decided that your cases are low enough that they're not worried. According to FHI, masks have insignificant preventative effect. And that’s what they said in mid-June. (Washing your hands, covering your mouth when coughing and stay at home when you’re sick, is more effective). Given the fact that we have had less than 250 deaths in a population of 5.5 million, I’d say they know what they are doing, so I intend to follow their advice in the future as well.
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twinsmomfla99
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Jul 1, 2020 13:12:20 GMT
Somehow I missed this earlier LOL. I love how she says she will wear one if mandated by the federal government. What? City, county, and state laws aren't enforceable? I hate to tell her this but state and local law is not dependent on the federal government, especially when it comes to local issues of public health. And yes, the rest of that "PSA" is disgusting.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 2, 2020 1:07:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 19:03:29 GMT
Earlier this week, those well-known hippies at Goldman Sachs economists said in a report that a national mask-wearing mandate could save the U.S. economy from a 5% hit to gross domestic product.
VP Mike Pence just stated "I don’t think there’s a need for a national mandate."
Yeah, no one needs to listen to hippies like Goldman Sachs.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2020 17:35:45 GMT
You can check out fhi.no yourself👍 (Information is available in English). Test capacity is currently 100.000 per week (population of 5.5 million), so everyone who is symptomatic will be tested (or anyone who might have been exposed). According to FHI, there is little evidence to suggest that non-medical masks can help contain spreading the virus, and that it might actually increase the risk of getting infected. And it isn’t «the Government» who issues the advice, but FHI who are epidemiologists. And they have, of course, access to all the research that is currently being done everywhere in the world. In the US, wearing a mask has become a political issue it seems. I did checkout fhi.no, very nice to have it in English, thanks. But they say that their advice not to wear masks is based on the WHO recommendations. These were changed at the beginning of June and now say that there is evidence that non-medical face coverings reduce the spread of the disease - evidence has been building through the pandemic. Equally, there is no evidence that face coverings increase the risk of getting infected. Masks aren't enough on their own, but they help. Maybe Norway has decided that your cases are low enough that they're not worried. i could very well have missed iy, but I couldn't find that they said there was evidence in the update that was released at the beg of June. LINK to the PDF dated June 5th Page 6 what they did say in it was: Advice to decision makers on the use of masks for the general public Many countries have recommended the use of fabric masks/face coverings for the general public. At the present time, the widespread use of masks by healthy people in the community setting is not yet supported by high quality or direct scientific evidence and there are potential benefits and harms to consider (see below).and they go on to list the conditional benefits and the harm that they present depending on how they are worn/used in the link above. It's pretty long so I didn't want to cut and paste the whole article.
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Post by dillydally on Jul 4, 2020 18:33:14 GMT
I did checkout fhi.no, very nice to have it in English, thanks. But they say that their advice not to wear masks is based on the WHO recommendations. These were changed at the beginning of June and now say that there is evidence that non-medical face coverings reduce the spread of the disease - evidence has been building through the pandemic. Equally, there is no evidence that face coverings increase the risk of getting infected. Masks aren't enough on their own, but they help. Maybe Norway has decided that your cases are low enough that they're not worried. According to FHI, masks have insignificant preventative effect. And that’s what they said in mid-June. (Washing your hands, covering your mouth when coughing and stay at home when you’re sick, is more effective). Given the fact that we have had less than 250 deaths in a population of 5.5 million, I’d say they know what they are doing, so I intend to follow their advice in the future as well. Perhaps they have updated their information since what I am reading doesn't indicate that masks have insignificant preventative effect - I'm at this page: www.fhi.no/en/op/novel-coronavirus-facts-advice/facts-and-general-advice/hand-hygiene-cough-etiquette-face-masks-cleaning-and-laundry/ where it says the effect of medical masks is well-documented, but research so far indicates that non-medical masks are less effective, but then concludes that: However, their conclusion is that because Norway's cases are falling, masks aren't necessary But it sounds like if you asked them what the US (or any other country with rising cases that seem to be passed by asymptomatic carriers) should do, they may well recommend masks. I sort of feel like covid research should be measured like dog years - like each month = 1 covid year Back in March, the guidance didn't support using masks because it wasn't considered effective in preventing catching covid, but now the case for masks is to prevent spreading the virus. Who knows what else we will know by September/October.
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freebird
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Post by freebird on Jul 4, 2020 19:24:50 GMT
If you DO want to wear a mask, then wear a mask. But stop posting every opinion piece from every jackass out there in order to try to justify your decision.
Goes both ways. Tired of hearing about it.
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Post by craftykitten on Jul 4, 2020 19:29:38 GMT
I did checkout fhi.no, very nice to have it in English, thanks. But they say that their advice not to wear masks is based on the WHO recommendations. These were changed at the beginning of June and now say that there is evidence that non-medical face coverings reduce the spread of the disease - evidence has been building through the pandemic. Equally, there is no evidence that face coverings increase the risk of getting infected. Masks aren't enough on their own, but they help. Maybe Norway has decided that your cases are low enough that they're not worried. i could very well have missed iy, but I couldn't find that they said there was evidence in the update that was released at the beg of June. LINK to the PDF dated June 5th Page 6 what they did say in it was: Advice to decision makers on the use of masks for the general public Many countries have recommended the use of fabric masks/face coverings for the general public. At the present time, the widespread use of masks by healthy people in the community setting is not yet supported by high quality or direct scientific evidence and there are potential benefits and harms to consider (see below).and they go on to list the conditional benefits and the harm that they present depending on how they are worn/used in the link above. It's pretty long so I didn't want to cut and paste the whole article. The very next paragraph of that document says: "However, taking into account the available studies evaluating pre- and asymptomatic transmission, a growing compendium of observational evidence on the use of masks by the general public in several countries, individual values and preferences, as well as the difficulty of physical distancing in many contexts, WHO has updated its guidance to advise that to prevent COVID-19 transmission effectively in areas of community transmission, governments should encourage the general public to wear masks in specific situations and settings as part of a comprehensive approach to suppress SARS-CoV-2 transmission"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 0:22:39 GMT
i could very well have missed iy, but I couldn't find that they said there was evidence in the update that was released at the beg of June. LINK to the PDF dated June 5th Page 6 what they did say in it was: Advice to decision makers on the use of masks for the general public Many countries have recommended the use of fabric masks/face coverings for the general public. At the present time, the widespread use of masks by healthy people in the community setting is not yet supported by high quality or direct scientific evidence and there are potential benefits and harms to consider (see below).and they go on to list the conditional benefits and the harm that they present depending on how they are worn/used in the link above. It's pretty long so I didn't want to cut and paste the whole article. The very next paragraph of that document says: "However, taking into account the available studies evaluating pre- and asymptomatic transmission, a growing compendium of observational evidence on the use of masks by the general public in several countries, individual values and preferences, as well as the difficulty of physical distancing in many contexts, WHO has updated its guidance to advise that to prevent COVID-19 transmission effectively in areas of community transmission, governments should encourage the general public to wear masks in specific situations and settings as part of a comprehensive approach to suppress SARS-CoV-2 transmission" When you bolded the sentence about the evidence in the reply regarding Norway I assumed you meant the WHO had factual evidence that they had added to their June statement. Observational evidence isn't factual. neither is advising someone to use them with the conditions that they have pointed out in the rest of the statement. They help in certain situations.
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