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Post by Really Red on Jun 24, 2020 16:01:23 GMT
I didn't see where you said how long they are staying with you. That matters, I think.
FWIW, I am driving to MO from VA - 13.5 hours door-to-door next weekend. I would fly because I am healthy, but I'm taking my kids with me and one has health concerns. We are probably stopping in rest areas to use the bathroom at most (or the woods). I have done this drive by myself numerous times, but I do not recommend. My 21yo DD has done it as well, with me in the car, and the energy that girl has is amazing. It is way different for a young adult to drive than a sleepy older driver such as myself. We are going for 5 days and two of them are driving.
If your daughter is staying with you for a while, then I'd go ahead and have her drive. She'll be fine the whole way if her BF is a good dude and talks with her and makes sure she's awake and if they stop here and there for leg stretching - my 21DD would not let me stop to walk around - all my kids just want to BE there. We do the drive at least once a year and I fly once a year.
Finally, the roads are just not as crowded as usual. WAY fewer people on the road. Once she's out of Philly (uh - and off the TP), it should be an easy drive. So I vote drive.
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Post by johnnysmom on Jun 24, 2020 16:03:01 GMT
Possibly irrelevant but if your dd doesn't have a car and doesn't drive regularly does she even carry insurance?
I would fly but I'd go with one of the airlines that isn't overbooking. I believe Delta is keeping their middle seats empty (dh is flying home right now, I can verify tonight) and sounds like Southwest is as well (based on post above). Flights aren't cheap though....but renting a car would be pricey too so it may be a wash.
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 24, 2020 16:13:30 GMT
I'd fly
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Post by roberta on Jun 24, 2020 16:20:04 GMT
normally I would suggest driving however with only one infrequent driver I would suggest flying. (and I'm fairly paranoid)
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Post by pierkiss on Jun 24, 2020 16:37:28 GMT
I would drive. I don’t like flying to begin with. And with Covid I don’t feel comfortable being stuck in a tube for x hours rebreathing the same air as everyone else. 😂
They should do whatever they’re comfy with.
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Post by wrongwayfeldman on Jun 24, 2020 16:51:23 GMT
I’d say meet them half way if they’re worried about flying. It’s interesting that she plans to do a 14 day quarantine before the travel. My sister and her family just booked to come home for a visit as she wants to see my parents. She’s crossing the Canada / US border so it’s a bit different. She has to have a quarantine plan for her family before they’re allowed out of our Canadian airport once they land. Shouldn’t the quarantine happen after the travel? My sister said she doesn’t have to quarantine once she goes back home to the US as her state doesn’t require it. She has said her quarantine plan upon arrival in Canada has to be so airtight or she gets sent back home. They're reasoning for quarantine before travel is based on if they drive. They are nervous to bring germs into our environment, so I appreciate the effort. Plus, they're both working from home and being extra cautious anyway, so it's really not hard for them to do that.
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Post by wrongwayfeldman on Jun 24, 2020 16:53:18 GMT
I’d probably drive, but there’s a couple of things I’ve been wanting to see between those 2 places. But if they are flying he has other id than an expired license right? He has a passport.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Jun 24, 2020 17:19:27 GMT
It's irrelevant what *I* would do. In this situation, with only one driver who has not been behind the wheel in a while and for that long a drive, I'd prefer they fly.
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Post by wrongwayfeldman on Jun 24, 2020 17:33:54 GMT
I would drive. And I would expect my boyfriend to get his driver’s license to help with the driving. He has 6 months to get it done. If he has a PA license that has expired within the past 6 months, he can still renew it. If it has been more than 6 months, he needs to retake both the written and behind-the-wheel tests. He could also drive with the permit (written test only)¥, but I’d don’t see how long the permit is valid. PA licensingIt doesn’t matter what it’s like to fly now. Six months ago, it was fine And no one had heard of Covid-19. Six months from now, who knows. I would also anticipate increased air travel with the holidays, so planes will be fuller than on a random day in May with many states still SIP. I don’t think you can use that data to compare what holiday travel will be like. I’m not sure where you are in MO, but it’s a fairly easy drive along I-70 and very rural. IMO, the PA Turnpike will be the worst of the drive and that’s only a few hours. The rich part can be winter driving, but if they have a flexible work schedule, they can work around that.They are adults and can definitely do it! He doesn't have his license because he let it expire when he was a college student a few years ago at Columbia University in NYC. Being a young person in a city where you never drive, he didn't see the urgency. Since then, he's been in graduate school and then working full time, and again, never had occasion to need it since he has his passport. In order to get it started again, he didn't have access to a vehicle to practice driving in the city, so he just put it on the back burner. I know now he wants to start the process, but at this point he'll likely have to borrow a car, which none of their friends in the city own, or sign up for a class, which he just hasn't prioritized until now. One of these days, I'm sure. Road trips aren't usually on their radar, but since COVID, the perspective is different.
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Post by wrongwayfeldman on Jun 24, 2020 17:36:48 GMT
Possibly irrelevant but if your dd doesn't have a car and doesn't drive regularly does she even carry insurance? I would fly but I'd go with one of the airlines that isn't overbooking. I believe Delta is keeping their middle seats empty (dh is flying home right now, I can verify tonight) and sounds like Southwest is as well (based on post above). Flights aren't cheap though....but renting a car would be pricey too so it may be a wash. A couple years ago, our insurance covered her when she rented a car in LA, but that's a good question. She's 25 now, and I wonder if they even would any more. I'm encouraging them to fly. I will tell her this about Delta and Southwest. They usually travel SW, and believe it or not, flights are actually about 200 round trip for the weeks they plan to come. I wish we could pre-purchase flights and change the dates later! They're usually over 400 for their flights home.
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Post by Zee on Jun 24, 2020 17:40:33 GMT
I have made that drive and if I had had a choice I would definitely have flown. They are not sitting anyone next to you right now and everyone is required to wear a mask. I flew last week and wore an N95 while on the plane, cloth mask in the airport. But I'm really not worried about Covid anyway.
That drive is just a long time that equals a stiff back and neck. If they do drive, I recommend potty and lunch breaks as needed but I wouldn't stop frequently for rest because it just takes that much longer to get there and it's better to drive in daylight when you don't know where you're going.
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Post by maryland on Jun 24, 2020 17:48:47 GMT
I’d say meet them half way if they’re worried about flying. It’s interesting that she plans to do a 14 day quarantine before the travel. My sister and her family just booked to come home for a visit as she wants to see my parents. She’s crossing the Canada / US border so it’s a bit different. She has to have a quarantine plan for her family before they’re allowed out of our Canadian airport once they land. Shouldn’t the quarantine happen after the travel? My sister said she doesn’t have to quarantine once she goes back home to the US as her state doesn’t require it. She has said her quarantine plan upon arrival in Canada has to be so airtight or she gets sent back home. I'm so impressed with Canada having them have a quarantine plan. It must be nice to have a leader that cares about the people.
We are in the US and my husband's company has a mandatory quarantine (work at home) for 2 weeks after travel. We are going to the beach for 2 weeks, so when we get back he will work at home for 2 weeks (so I will get nothing done! ![:smile:](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) I hate to be at home when he is working because even though he says it's fine, I know it's a distraction. He has a study, but it's on the first floor with no doors, so no privacy for him. I can't even get my regular housework done when the family is home, So I get it). He set the policy, so he has to follow it.
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Post by Basket1lady on Jun 24, 2020 18:19:09 GMT
I would drive. And I would expect my boyfriend to get his driver’s license to help with the driving. He has 6 months to get it done. If he has a PA license that has expired within the past 6 months, he can still renew it. If it has been more than 6 months, he needs to retake both the written and behind-the-wheel tests. He could also drive with the permit (written test only)¥, but I’d don’t see how long the permit is valid. PA licensingIt doesn’t matter what it’s like to fly now. Six months ago, it was fine And no one had heard of Covid-19. Six months from now, who knows. I would also anticipate increased air travel with the holidays, so planes will be fuller than on a random day in May with many states still SIP. I don’t think you can use that data to compare what holiday travel will be like. I’m not sure where you are in MO, but it’s a fairly easy drive along I-70 and very rural. IMO, the PA Turnpike will be the worst of the drive and that’s only a few hours. The rich part can be winter driving, but if they have a flexible work schedule, they can work around that.They are adults and can definitely do it! He doesn't have his license because he let it expire when he was a college student a few years ago at Columbia University in NYC. Being a young person in a city where you never drive, he didn't see the urgency. Since then, he's been in graduate school and then working full time, and again, never had occasion to need it since he has his passport. In order to get it started again, he didn't have access to a vehicle to practice driving in the city, so he just put it on the back burner. I know now he wants to start the process, but at this point he'll likely have to borrow a car, which none of their friends in the city own, or sign up for a class, which he just hasn't prioritized until now. One of these days, I'm sure. Road trips aren't usually on their radar, but since COVID, the perspective is different. I get it—I’ve lived in big cities and seldom drove. When we lived in Seoul, I didn’t drive over 30 mph for almost 2 years. I drove off the base once and said never again after I got lost and couldn’t even read the street signs. I would just encourage him to get a permit. Don’t worry about the actual license. He can drive and your DD will be in the car. Really, the route has some very rural driving. I-70 is where we first taught the kids how to drive on a freeway.
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Post by johnnysmom on Jun 24, 2020 18:21:03 GMT
I would just encourage him to get a permit. Don’t worry about the actual license. He can drive and your DD will be in the car. In a rental car?
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Post by tracylynn on Jun 24, 2020 18:25:57 GMT
I’d say meet them half way if they’re worried about flying. It’s interesting that she plans to do a 14 day quarantine before the travel. My sister and her family just booked to come home for a visit as she wants to see my parents. She’s crossing the Canada / US border so it’s a bit different. She has to have a quarantine plan for her family before they’re allowed out of our Canadian airport once they land. Shouldn’t the quarantine happen after the travel? My sister said she doesn’t have to quarantine once she goes back home to the US as her state doesn’t require it. She has said her quarantine plan upon arrival in Canada has to be so airtight or she gets sent back home. When are they travelling? I thought the border was closed for another month at least.
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Post by jubejubes on Jun 24, 2020 19:49:41 GMT
Possibly irrelevant but if your dd doesn't have a car and doesn't drive regularly does she even carry insurance? I would fly but I'd go with one of the airlines that isn't overbooking. I believe Delta is keeping their middle seats empty (dh is flying home right now, I can verify tonight) and sounds like Southwest is as well (based on post above). Flights aren't cheap though....but renting a car would be pricey too so it may be a wash. A couple years ago, our insurance covered her when she rented a car in LA, but that's a good question. She's 25 now, and I wonder if they even would any more. I'm encouraging them to fly. I will tell her this about Delta and Southwest. They usually travel SW, and believe it or not, flights are actually about 200 round trip for the weeks they plan to come. I wish we could pre-purchase flights and change the dates later! They're usually over 400 for their flights home. PLEASE have them fly. The cost of renting a car one-way is expensive. Your dd would have to pay the rental car insurance, as she doesn't have her own car is expensive. Living in a tourist area (Niagara Falls), I have seen and heard of too many accidents due to people who have a driver's licence and only use it about once a year, in a rental car (that they do not know the features of, don't set the mirrors correct, etc) on highways where many people tend to go above the speed limit, not knowing what some of the traffic signs mean, don't know about construction on the road, are nervous driving and THAT can cause an incident... This type of driver is the most dangerous driver on the road. PLEASE have them fly.
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Post by Basket1lady on Jun 24, 2020 20:43:39 GMT
I would just encourage him to get a permit. Don’t worry about the actual license. He can drive and your DD will be in the car. In a rental car? Dang it. That’s the flaw in my logic. I don’t think you can be an approved driver with a learner’s permit. I’d encourage him to get his license up to date. But I get that it would be tricky to borrow someone’s car to do so. I still say that I wouldn’t fly. I think there would be less risk staying in a hotel overnight vs flying durning the holidays. I’ve driven across country by myself, but never did a 14 hour stint. I’d say 10 hours is my limit.
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Post by Sharon on Jun 24, 2020 22:46:24 GMT
I'd fly. I hate to drive.
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Post by myboysnme on Jun 24, 2020 22:50:49 GMT
My DH and I just drove from Virginia to Indiana and back and that was a 12 hour trip. DS drove home from Indiana in one long day but DH and I stopped about 8 hours in for the night each way.
If I was them I would fly.
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Post by librarylady on Jun 24, 2020 23:32:21 GMT
No way would I get on a plane with the covid situation.
I (age 73) drive to Ottawa once per year. I drive in 8 hour segments. I have been known to drive for 12 hours if needed. A 14 hour trip would be an "easy" 2 day trip. However, that means a night in a motel.......
I'd insist the BF get his license and help.
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Post by Really Red on Jun 24, 2020 23:33:00 GMT
I came back on to say that I watched the news tonight. Ugh. The cases are just mounting and mounting. Seriously, I do not know how people can still say this is a hoax and that Covid will miraculously go away on November 4th (so so SO many people in the South say that). Maybe they have less of a chance of catching anything flying than stopping at gas stations and restrooms?
Plus, for that price, you really can't beat it. It will be way more expensive to drive.
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Post by AllieC on Jun 25, 2020 0:43:09 GMT
I am very experienced with long distance driving but I wouldn't drive a 14 hour trip without an overnight stop. Even with short breaks it is too much on one person to do in a day, let alone someone that is inexperienced.
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