leeny
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Post by leeny on Jul 2, 2020 1:08:49 GMT
I live in Ontario so the BC rules don’t apply to me. I had already found the Ontario version of the rules and there’s no cannabis regulations included. I put my plants off to the side of our yard nestled in some grapevines and peppermint growing there. Not as if I was flaunting them, but still in the open. I’ve been growing these plants in my driveway, which is located in a downtown-ish residential area on a main road, and I have no fence although they were located quite far up from the sidewalk; for two months they were not stolen. I had expected if I was breaking a park rule, someone would have come to speak to me and ask me to remove them. I’d actually be way less upset if someone had just straight up stolen them for personal enjoyment. Curious since I live in the States. Why don't the rules apply for where you are visiting? It does here since cannibals is legal in certain states but not federally. For instance you can't fly with it, but you can travel within the state. Secondly, would this person do this if it was a potted daisy or "regular" plant or do you think it was targeting.
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Post by elaine on Jul 2, 2020 1:09:48 GMT
Elaine, I just looked small claims limitations because I thought it to be higher than that. FL Is 8k and IL is10k, so very much a state by state thing. Cool! Thanks for letting me know. In the old days (40 years ago) in CA, I thought it used to be under $1K, but I never took someone to small claims court myself, so maybe I dreamed that limit. So, if Ontario has a similar small claims court system and the limits are in the same ballpark as what you quoted, then Ashley could pursue it herself. 👍🏻 I love learning new things on here. We have such knowledgeable people.
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Post by peasapie on Jul 2, 2020 1:12:29 GMT
You know, if the guy isn't the owner, I think no matter what you should report him to the owner. Whether it's legal or not, it's not a courteous way to treat residents or guests. If I was the owner I'd want to know.
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Post by ashley on Jul 2, 2020 1:13:44 GMT
I live in Ontario so the BC rules don’t apply to me. I had already found the Ontario version of the rules and there’s no cannabis regulations included. I put my plants off to the side of our yard nestled in some grapevines and peppermint growing there. Not as if I was flaunting them, but still in the open. I’ve been growing these plants in my driveway, which is located in a downtown-ish residential area on a main road, and I have no fence although they were located quite far up from the sidewalk; for two months they were not stolen. I had expected if I was breaking a park rule, someone would have come to speak to me and ask me to remove them. I’d actually be way less upset if someone had just straight up stolen them for personal enjoyment. Curious since I live in the States. Why don't the rules apply for where you are visiting? It does here since cannibals is legal in certain states but not federally. For instance you can't fly with it, but you can travel within the state. Secondly, would this person do this if it was a potted daisy or "regular" plant or do you think it was targeting. I live in Ontario and this occurred in Ontario and therefore Ontario rules apply. None of this happened in BC — that was just a misunderstanding. He made it very clear he destroyed my plants because he judged them and hates them and does not approve personally of cannabis use or cannabis consumers.
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Post by inkedup on Jul 2, 2020 1:19:02 GMT
Btw, cannabis plants are estimated to have a value of $1000-$2000 each so this isn’t a small matter. It’s also too late in the year to start anything else growing. In fairness, this value is dependent on several factors. I think you are greatly overestimating the value of the plants that were destroyed. I also don't understand driving around with plants and taking them to a vacation home, especially if you are not clear on the rules for the park. And, if you did have giant, budded plants worth thousands, I guess I am even more confused as to why you were driving around with them. The transportation of plants In this state alone would cause damage to the buds and lower the value of your crop. I think this is your error and you need to move on. I'm sorry you will have to start over, though.
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Post by ashley on Jul 2, 2020 1:25:11 GMT
Btw, cannabis plants are estimated to have a value of $1000-$2000 each so this isn’t a small matter. It’s also too late in the year to start anything else growing. In fairness, this value is dependent on several factors. I think you are greatly overestimating the value of the plants that were destroyed. I also don't understand driving around with plants and taking them to a vacation home, especially if you are not clear on the rules for the park. And, if you did have giant, budded plants worth thousands, I guess I am even more confused as to why you were driving around with them. The transportation of plants In this state alone would cause damage to the buds and lower the value of your crop. I think this is your error and you need to move on. I'm sorry you will have to start over, though. I can drive my plants anywhere I want! Lol. Seriously, it’s legal. They’re not worth that much now, but could have been at time of harvest. I worked for a licensed cannabis producer and I am very aware of the value of cannabis. I’ve been training my plants to optimize yield. Feeding them well. I grow good quality cannabis. I took them with me just this once because my irrigation system I ordered for home had not arrived yet and I had no one to water them. This is not my fault. Perhaps it would have been wisest to ask ahead of time but I expected if it was a rule I’d have been informed and asked to remove them, as the laws state. ETA: saying “it’s not my fault” is incorrect. Being ignorant of the park rule does not make this not my fault. However, my ignorance in no way justifies his actions. Read my bbq comparison above.
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Post by allison1954 on Jul 2, 2020 1:43:22 GMT
Elaine, I just looked small claims limitations because I thought it to be higher than that. FL Is 8k and IL is10k, so very much a state by state thing. Cool! Thanks for letting me know. In the old days (40 years ago) in CA, I thought it used to be under $1K, but I never took someone to small claims court myself, so maybe I dreamed that limit. So, if Ontario has a similar small claims court system and the limits are in the same ballpark as what you quoted, then Ashley could pursue it herself. 👍🏻 I love learning new things on here. We have such knowledgeable people. 40 years ago 1k was probably like 8k now. lol
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jul 2, 2020 1:55:42 GMT
If you think of the situation like this, it seems utterly mad: The park has the right to set their own rules. The park decides that charcoal babrbecues are not allowed. I stupidly am ignorant of this rule, so I drop off my charcoal barbecue in my yard. I leave for two hours. I come back and discover it gone, with no note or phone call. The manager absolutely hates charcoal barbecues so when he saw it, he took it, smashed it to pieces and put it in a park garbage dumpster. When I tried to retrieve the smashed barbecue, hoping I could perhaps weld it back together, the manager threw bags of garbage on me. And that is truly the equivalent comparison. That my property was four legal cannabis plants is irrelevant. I am angered he believes his personal views usurp the law. It's bizarre that you used that as your example as it was one of the areas I thought of when I discussed local laws and how they can vary tremendously as well as safety/health exemptions for 24 hour notice. I live near a municipality that requires rental licenses - there is a huge laundry list of things required for your rental license smoke detectors, carbon monoxide etc. etc. and one of the items prohibited is charcoal grills on any wooden structure (deck or porch). It is considered a safety violation and therefore every lease in the municipality specifically prohibits any charcoal grill on a wooden structure as a violation can result in your rental license being revoked (not to mention a fire). I am aware of an incident where a landlord discovered a charcoal grill and entered the property and removed it with no prior notice and no warning. The lack of notice was specifically due to it being a safety issue which in our state supersedes the need for 24 hour notice. Now this was a $60 Weber and no one actually sued anyone, so I have no idea what would have happened if litigated, but it does show how laws can vary tremendously and something as innocuous as a charcoal grill can be seen as a safety issue.
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Post by ashley on Jul 2, 2020 2:03:32 GMT
If you think of the situation like this, it seems utterly mad: The park has the right to set their own rules. The park decides that charcoal babrbecues are not allowed. I stupidly am ignorant of this rule, so I drop off my charcoal barbecue in my yard. I leave for two hours. I come back and discover it gone, with no note or phone call. The manager absolutely hates charcoal barbecues so when he saw it, he took it, smashed it to pieces and put it in a park garbage dumpster. When I tried to retrieve the smashed barbecue, hoping I could perhaps weld it back together, the manager threw bags of garbage on me. And that is truly the equivalent comparison. That my property was four legal cannabis plants is irrelevant. I am angered he believes his personal views usurp the law. It's bizarre that you used that as your example as it was one of the areas I thought of when I discussed local laws and how they can vary tremendously as well as safety/health exemptions for 24 hour notice. I live near a municipality that requires rental licenses - there is a huge laundry list of things required for your rental license smoke detectors, carbon monoxide etc. etc. and one of the items prohibited is charcoal grills on any wooden structure (deck or porch). It is considered a safety violation and therefore every lease in the municipality specifically prohibits any charcoal grill on a wooden structure as a violation can result in your rental license being revoked (not to mention a fire). I am aware of an incident where a landlord discovered a charcoal grill and entered the property and removed it with no prior notice and no warning. The lack of notice was specifically due to it being a safety issue which in our state supersedes the need for 24 hour notice. Now this was a $60 Weber and no one actually sued anyone, so I have no idea what would have happened if litigated, but it does show how laws can vary tremendously and something as innocuous as a charcoal grill can be seen as a safety issue. ok, that’s interesting. I do know that in Ontario landlords cannot enter without notice unless there is an actual flood or fire occurring, or if given prior consent.
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Post by inkedup on Jul 2, 2020 2:04:12 GMT
Before doing anything, I suggest you examine whether you are more upset about the fact that he did this or about how you handled it at the time. I'd guess that both might be possible. Personally, even if I didn't think I'd handled a confrontation like that well I would still be angry and upset that $2000+ of my property had been trashed. The only part of a cannabis plant that is of value are the buds. And this is after they mature, are cut from the plant, dried and weighed. My husband and I are partners in a legal cannabis business and there is no way any legitimate grower is driving around with giant, budded plants in their car. I don't care if it's legal in Canada; it would destroy your product. Would you drive around with pots of giant tomato plants in your car? And a cannabis plant worth $1 to $2k would be quite substantial in size. Four of them would be a lot to transport. I think the value of these plants is being greatly overestimated.
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Post by ashley on Jul 2, 2020 2:07:22 GMT
I'd guess that both might be possible. Personally, even if I didn't think I'd handled a confrontation like that well I would still be angry and upset that $2000+ of my property had been trashed. The only part of a cannabis plant that is of value are the buds. And this is after they mature, are cut from the plant, dried and weighed. My husband and I are partners in a legal cannabis business and there is no way any legitimate grower is driving around with giant, budded plants. I don't care if it's legal in Canada; it would destroy your product. And a cannabis plant work $1 to $2k would be HUGE. I think the value of these plants is being greatly overestimated. The value is irrelevant to me. However, I do know that my plants would be expected to be worth approx $1000 each based on my previous yields and experience growing and working in the cannabis industry. But their value is not of importance to me, it’s the principle and the manager’s unlawful behaviour.
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Post by Legacy Girl on Jul 2, 2020 2:08:25 GMT
I'm not convinced he destroyed them. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if he knew what they were worth and has them inside his own trailer right this minute. And that would explain why he became so angry when you began searching the dumpster. If you ultimately realized they weren't in there after all, his little ruse would be over and he'd be in seriously hot water for theft.
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Post by inkedup on Jul 2, 2020 2:16:44 GMT
The only part of a cannabis plant that is of value are the buds. And this is after they mature, are cut from the plant, dried and weighed. My husband and I are partners in a legal cannabis business and there is no way any legitimate grower is driving around with giant, budded plants. I don't care if it's legal in Canada; it would destroy your product. And a cannabis plant work $1 to $2k would be HUGE. I think the value of these plants is being greatly overestimated. The value is irrelevant to me. However, I do know that my plants would be expected to be worth approx $1000 each based on my previous yields and experience growing and working in the cannabis industry. But their value is not of importance to me, it’s the principle and the manager’s unlawful behaviour. The value you threw out is absolutely relevant here because you are giving people the impression that thousands of dollars were stolen from you, when the reality is that you had four immature plants (with absolutely nothing of value on them) tossed. I don't understand why you have not involved law enforcement since you are certain you were the victim of a crime. Two crimes, actually. Theft and assault.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 2:18:41 GMT
Of course it isn't your fault, but as usual you are not accepting your part in the situation. You brought 4 pot plants to a place where you may or may not legally reside. If you legally reside there (with a written sublet agreement with your mother), then either you didn't get a copy of all of the rules or your mother didn't provide it. You left something that you value between $4,000 to $8,000 sitting outside in an unfamiliar place where you don't even live and where it sounds like it is usually empty and never occupied. When you found out what happened to them, you didn't mitigate the damages by calling the police at the time when you could have reasonably filed a complaint and recovered your property.
It isn't your fault but you have a pretty big role in it. You aren't as big of a victim as you think you are.
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Post by ashley on Jul 2, 2020 2:22:33 GMT
You’re right , I didn’t call the police because I was intimidated and my mother asked me not to. I am not going to defend whether or not I was a victim any further.
“She deserved it”.
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Post by inkedup on Jul 2, 2020 2:24:22 GMT
You’re right , I didn’t call the police because I was intimidated and my mother asked me not to. I am not going to defend whether or not I was a victim any further. “She deserved it”. You did not deserve to have bags of trash dumped on your head.
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Post by jenjie on Jul 2, 2020 2:44:15 GMT
I'd guess that both might be possible. Personally, even if I didn't think I'd handled a confrontation like that well I would still be angry and upset that $2000+ of my property had been trashed. The only part of a cannabis plant that is of value are the buds. And this is after they mature, are cut from the plant, dried and weighed. My husband and I are partners in a legal cannabis business and there is no way any legitimate grower is driving around with giant, budded plants in their car. I don't care if it's legal in Canada; it would destroy your product. Would you drive around with pots of giant tomato plants in your car? And a cannabis plant worth $1 to $2k would be quite substantial in size. Four of them would be a lot to transport. I think the value of these plants is being greatly overestimated. I think Ashley’s valuation is based on future potential, not what they are worth today. It’s about future values lost. Although now that I think about it, let’s say ashley they were destroyed in a car accident. You would be compensated for today’s value (or purchase price), not futures. I’m really sorry this happened and that you were treated so horribly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 3:13:46 GMT
You’re right , I didn’t call the police because I was intimidated and my mother asked me not to. I am not going to defend whether or not I was a victim any further. “She deserved it”. No I did not say you deserved it, so you can just take that right out of your victim bucket. There is a difference between *she deserved it* and playing a role in the situation.
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Post by samantha25 on Jul 2, 2020 3:24:45 GMT
The only part of a cannabis plant that is of value are the buds. And this is after they mature, are cut from the plant, dried and weighed. My husband and I are partners in a legal cannabis business and there is no way any legitimate grower is driving around with giant, budded plants. I don't care if it's legal in Canada; it would destroy your product. And a cannabis plant work $1 to $2k would be HUGE. I think the value of these plants is being greatly overestimated. The value is irrelevant to me. However, I do know that my plants would be expected to be worth approx $1000 each based on my previous yields and experience growing and working in the cannabis industry. But their value is not of importance to me, it’s the principle and the manager’s unlawful behaviour. In most cases, according to my knowledge of watching Judge Milian and Judy (LOL), would be the value of what it would be to make you whole at the time of the incident, not future projections of what could have happened, because, you could have forgotten to water them and then they died and would be worth nothing. I would definitely focus on what transpired with the manager and not focus on value. You would not prevail in court for $1000s, you would probably only get back the cost of the seedling and soil, etc. to replace. Let that go... if you want to pursue, it's the trespassing/assault case. Also, I don't understand if it was for personal use, you wouldn't get money from the sale of your plants, so no value, really. Hugs...
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 2, 2020 4:33:39 GMT
What I would like to have happen is: Receive an apology for his assaultive behaviour. Have it understood his actions are unlawful and cannot continue and establish the correct actions should cannabis plants be found in the park again (obviously someone else’s plants!) Tell the owner this what you want. Keep the letter short and factual. Quote anyone you consult like "Constable Smith, Police Station XYZ, identified the criminal charges against the manager should include theft, destruction of property, assault, etc.". "Jane Doe, Landlord Tenant Office, identified the following violation of Whatever the L/T Act is Called in Ontario: entering tenant property without notice and permission, removing tenant property, destroying tenant property, etc. Let him know you have the option of pursuing charges but only want an apology by such-and-such-date and review of the park's policy. Put a clear time line.
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Post by luckyexwife on Jul 2, 2020 4:36:04 GMT
I'm not convinced he destroyed them. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if he knew what they were worth and has them inside his own trailer right this minute. And that would explain why he became so angry when you began searching the dumpster. If you ultimately realized they weren't in there after all, his little ruse would be over and he'd be in seriously hot water for theft. This is what I was wondering...did you actually see them in the dumpster? How did it get full enough to cover them that fast? Are you sure he did just take them for himself?
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Post by paget on Jul 2, 2020 5:59:54 GMT
Ok, I read a lot if this thread but not every post so forgive me please if what I say doesn’t make sense because I missed other details. I think what happened is just outrageous. The only thing that makes any sense to me is that the manager stole your plants for either his own use or to sell. Why in the actual hell would he take it upon himself to destroy someone else’s property because he doesn’t like it?? I don’t like it/never used it but would never dream of doing such a thing. I think the fact that he actually assaulted you to prevent you from seeing how he supposedly “destroyed” them makes this idea more plausible. Why would he care if you saw them in the dumpster If they were at that point unsalvageable?! I think It’s because they weren’t there. I hope you can find some resolution to this that makes you feel better. It’s just completely bizarre and wrong behavior. ETA: going back a little now and see some other people had the same idea as me. Yep, I think he stole them for profit.
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Post by Zee on Jul 2, 2020 6:35:25 GMT
I can't imagine weed plants being safe outside in any trailer park I've ever been to. Crystal and Shawn would have grabbed them about five minutes after you left and management sure as hell wouldn't know about it. Lol
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Post by snyder on Jul 2, 2020 7:44:28 GMT
Oh my goodness. I think I would have been calling authorities when he started throwing trash on you. Maybe an assault charge.
I totally understand what you are saying; doesn't matter what it was, it was not his to destroy or throw away.
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Post by Dallie on Jul 2, 2020 11:38:25 GMT
I don’t want to take anyone to court. I don’t expect compensation. I will consider filing a police report and / or complaint with the Landlord Tenant Board; at most they might provide rent abatement. What I would like to have happen is: Receive an apology for his assaultive behaviour. Have it understood his actions are unlawful and cannot continue and establish the correct actions should cannabis plants be found in the park again (obviously someone else’s plants!) I completely understand your frustration. However, any apology or promise of changed behavior you get from him is going to be an insincere lie. Forced apologies and fake promises are worthless.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Jul 2, 2020 15:02:55 GMT
The value is irrelevant to me. However, I do know that my plants would be expected to be worth approx $1000 each based on my previous yields and experience growing and working in the cannabis industry. But their value is not of importance to me, it’s the principle and the manager’s unlawful behaviour. In most cases, according to my knowledge of watching Judge Milian and Judy (LOL), would be the value of what it would be to make you whole at the time of the incident, not future projections of what could have happened, because, you could have forgotten to water them and then they died and would be worth nothing. I would definitely focus on what transpired with the manager and not focus on value. You would not prevail in court for $1000s, you would probably only get back the cost of the seedling and soil, etc. to replace. Let that go... if you want to pursue, it's the trespassing/assault case. Also, I don't understand if it was for personal use, you wouldn't get money from the sale of your plants, so no value, really. Hugs... The resale value is also the cost that she would incur to replace them at the same level of growth they were when he took them. So even if she couldn't sell them, she will have to shell out that much to purchase similar replacement plants. Sure, it would cost less to just buy seedlings, but that would not make her "whole" for the plants she lost--the time, work and effort it took to get them to the size they were when she brought them to the trailer. So even though she couldn't sell them under her license, she is still entitled to recover the true value of the plants, which is the price that would be paid between a willing seller and buyer.
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Post by ihaveonly1l on Jul 2, 2020 16:21:42 GMT
I would expect the owner to mediate the situation and to start I'd ask them to stand with me while I got them out (assuming trash hasn't been picked up). Since this is a time sensitive thing, I'd do that first. Surely retrieving them and putting them in the car wouldn't be an issue for the owners. I fully know that the man who threw them in there should do it, but let's be real, he's not reasonable. After the immediate need of getting the property back, I would discuss the other parts of this with the owner-starting at the beginning.
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Post by 950nancy on Jul 2, 2020 16:26:09 GMT
I don’t want to take anyone to court. I don’t expect compensation. I will consider filing a police report and / or complaint with the Landlord Tenant Board; at most they might provide rent abatement. What I would like to have happen is: Receive an apology for his assaultive behaviour. Have it understood his actions are unlawful and cannot continue and establish the correct actions should cannabis plants be found in the park again (obviously someone else’s plants!) I completely understand your frustration. However, any apology or promise of changed behavior you get from him is going to be an insincere lie. Forced apologies and fake promises are worthless.I remember having to apologize to my brother and it hurt me more than it made him feel better. I was less likely to do the same thing twice. I do think there is some value in a forced apology- even when they are insincere.
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Post by questioning on Jul 2, 2020 17:14:55 GMT
Has he done this to other tenants? Maybe not cannabis, but other things he doesn't like? It might be time the owner considers a new manager.
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Post by muggins on Jul 3, 2020 1:30:24 GMT
I would expect the owner to mediate the situation and to start I'd ask them to stand with me while I got them out (assuming trash hasn't been picked up). Since this is a time sensitive thing, I'd do that first. Surely retrieving them and putting them in the car wouldn't be an issue for the owners. I fully know that the man who threw them in there should do it, but let's be real, he's not reasonable. After the immediate need of getting the property back, I would discuss the other parts of this with the owner-starting at the beginning. She stated upthread that the trash in the dumpster has already been collected.
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