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Post by supersoda on Jul 4, 2020 3:30:05 GMT
How do they feel about seat belts? Smacking my head. Haven't read the rest of the thread yet, but people were irate when the seatbelt law passed. I was a kid (8-10ish?) and I still remember the whining and complaining about the infringement of personal liberties, so this does not surprise me at all. Hell, former governor Perry refused to sign an anti texting-and-driving bill because it was in infringement of personal liberties. But the same people are all about legislating what happens with my hooha.
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Post by myshelly on Jul 4, 2020 3:39:52 GMT
How do they feel about seat belts? Smacking my head. People keep asking this/comparing masks to seat belts. Is it not common knowledge that seat belt laws were HUGELY controversial? That people and various groups fought them all the way the the US Supreme Court multiple times? That not all 50 states require seat belts for adults? That seat belt compliance is less than 75% in some states? That actually sounds A LOT like people are acting about masks.
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Post by Merge on Jul 4, 2020 3:48:14 GMT
Well, you know itās serious now.
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 4, 2020 5:19:07 GMT
Well, you know itās serious now. Not the briskets!
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 4, 2020 5:43:59 GMT
How do they feel about seat belts? Smacking my head. People keep asking this/comparing masks to seat belts. Is it not common knowledge that seat belt laws were HUGELY controversial? That people and various groups fought them all the way the the US Supreme Court multiple times? That not all 50 states require seat belts for adults? That seat belt compliance is less than 75% in some states? That actually sounds A LOT like people are acting about masks. This is bizarrely quite true, about seatbelts. We went to Minot, North Dakota today. I passed a sign on a power pole with a Click-it or ticket logo. It had Aiming for 80% seatbelt compliance and Current Compliance 78%. So 22% of drivers there are driving around without seatbelts. š³ Iāve lived here almost 18 years, and coming from a country with probably 100% compliance, this still shocks the hell out of me. I feel the same when I see motorcyclists here without helmets. Staggering.
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Post by dewryce on Jul 4, 2020 5:45:03 GMT
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Post by gar on Jul 4, 2020 7:59:37 GMT
People keep asking this/comparing masks to seat belts. Is it not common knowledge that seat belt laws were HUGELY controversial? That people and various groups fought them all the way the the US Supreme Court multiple times? That not all 50 states require seat belts for adults? That seat belt compliance is less than 75% in some states? That actually sounds A LOT like people are acting about masks. This is bizarrely quite true, about seatbelts. We went to Minot, North Dakota today. I passed a sign on a power pole with a Click-it or ticket logo. It had Aiming for 80% seatbelt compliance and Current Compliance 78%. So 22% of drivers there are driving around without seatbelts. š³ Iāve lived here almost 18 years, and coming from a country with probably 100% compliance, this still shocks the hell out of me. I feel the same when I see motorcyclists here without helmets. Staggering. I remember the introduction of mandatory sea belts in the UK and my Dad wasn't happy about it. He wanted to be free to kill himself I guess but we have high compliance now. The problem with the analogy is that not wearing your seatbelt doesn't (or very very rarely) cause the death of someone else, whereas not wearing a mask means you are spreading potentially lethal germs.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 4, 2020 10:18:15 GMT
Where in the constitution does it say we have to wear masks!?!?!? Hunh!?!?!??!?!? Or clothes!?!?!?!??! Show me!! Idiots like her and her husband are a big part of the problem. They are selfish a-holes who think that they are entitled to do whatever the hell they want. Good for the visitor center for enforcing the rhe rules. I hope that more place follow suit. Gah! š”
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 4, 2020 10:23:56 GMT
How do they feel about seat belts? Smacking my head. People keep asking this/comparing masks to seat belts. Is it not common knowledge that seat belt laws were HUGELY controversial? That people and various groups fought them all the way the the US Supreme Court multiple times? That not all 50 states require seat belts for adults? That seat belt compliance is less than 75% in some states? That actually sounds A LOT like people are acting about masks. I had no idea. I didnāt like the seat belt law at first either, but now itās automatic. Why is it that so many Americans seem to think that they are special, and that they donāt have to follow laws? (Not really looking for an answer here, just thinking out loud, so to speak) With regard to masks, itās gotten to the point of absurdity.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 4, 2020 10:27:17 GMT
Fuck them. Same people undoubtedly who want to send their mask free kids back to school ASAP to infect their disposable teachers. Seriously. Itās hard not to be angry and bitter when people are perfectly willing to put your life at risk for their finances and āfreedumb.ā I am so stealing āfreedumb.ā šš
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Post by Merge on Jul 4, 2020 13:16:42 GMT
People keep asking this/comparing masks to seat belts. Is it not common knowledge that seat belt laws were HUGELY controversial? That people and various groups fought them all the way the the US Supreme Court multiple times? That not all 50 states require seat belts for adults? That seat belt compliance is less than 75% in some states? That actually sounds A LOT like people are acting about masks. This is bizarrely quite true, about seatbelts. We went to Minot, North Dakota today. I passed a sign on a power pole with a Click-it or ticket logo. It had Aiming for 80% seatbelt compliance and Current Compliance 78%. So 22% of drivers there are driving around without seatbelts. š³ Iāve lived here almost 18 years, and coming from a country with probably 100% compliance, this still shocks the hell out of me. I feel the same when I see motorcyclists here without helmets. Staggering. I suspect with the seatbelts it's mostly older people who just never could get used to them. My generation came of age/learned to drive just after the seatbelt laws were passed, and we were inundated in drivers' ed classes with crash scene videos showing mangled bodies when people were thrown through their windshield in a crash. My parents, on the other hand, were pretty apathetic about them, despite the fact that my mom's sister was literally killed when she was thrown from a car after they were hit by a drunk driver. My kids grew up being buckled in and it wouldn't occur to them to drive without a seatbelt. I don't know anyone my age or younger who doesn't routinely use a seatbelt, but I've known lots of older folks who just "couldn't get into the habit" or whatever. Even though motorcycle helmets are not required here, I very rarely see a motorcyclist without one, thank goodness.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 4, 2020 13:20:15 GMT
Welp, not surprisingly, now a lawsuit has been filed to challenge the mask mandate. From NBCDFW: A lawsuit has been filed to stop Gov. Greg Abbott's face mask order. A group of conservatives filed a lawsuit, claiming Abbott's order is unconstitutional. The lawsuit said the order is "contrary to the Texas spirit and invades the liberties the people of Texas protected in the constitution." Fuck them. Same people undoubtedly who want to send their mask free kids back to school ASAP to infect their disposable teachers. Well, if you die they do they have to pay your pension money?
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Post by hop2 on Jul 4, 2020 13:28:19 GMT
I know it's not funny, but I really did LOL. ETA I really hope Texas does not experience the levels of infections and deaths that we saw in NYC. It's incredibly frustrating to see months of SIP undone by opening too fast and/or ignoring the advice of the medical community. I heard a report that Arizona is approaching 90% hospital occupancy. These stupid people should have listened to what we went through (in NYC) when there were no beds and no end in sight. I wish I felt more empathy but when I think of how all of these places had the chance to learn from the mistakes we made initially my heart is made of stone. Yeah tell me about it. That definitely falls under fool you once shame on me fool you twice shame on you. They had plenty of warning and way more information than we had here in the NE. But they decided we are all just stupid left wing radicals out to screw the president so they proceeded to reopen without reaching a single solitary benchmark. I read stuff all over the internet that hospital staff here were exaggerating and acting for the news cameras to make it look worse. There was one post on FB from a hospital worker in AZ that pretty much said NY hospital staff were lying it wasnāt anything like that at all, it wasnāt that bad, etc. The reality is it simply hadnāt gotten to AZ yet. I havenāt seen a post from them lately .....
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Post by hop2 on Jul 4, 2020 13:33:30 GMT
How do they feel about seat belts? Smacking my head. Haven't read the rest of the thread yet, but people were irate when the seatbelt law passed.Ā I was a kid (8-10ish?) and I still remember the whining and complaining about the infringement of personal liberties, so this does not surprise me at all. Hell, former governor Perry refused to sign an anti texting-and-driving bill because it was in infringement of personal liberties.Ā But the same people are all about legislating what happens with my hooha.Ā Because in a patriarchal society your hoohah is not yours. It belongs to your father/parents until you are given in lily white virgin marriage to your opposite sex spouse who then owns your hoohah. Your hoohah has no rights in a patriarchal society.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 4, 2020 13:35:01 GMT
Well, you know itās serious now. MY GOD brisket is limited! Maybe now theyāll pay attention.
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Post by dewryce on Jul 4, 2020 13:58:14 GMT
This is bizarrely quite true, about seatbelts. We went to Minot, North Dakota today. I passed a sign on a power pole with a Click-it or ticket logo. It had Aiming for 80% seatbelt compliance and Current Compliance 78%. So 22% of drivers there are driving around without seatbelts. š³ Iāve lived here almost 18 years, and coming from a country with probably 100% compliance, this still shocks the hell out of me. I feel the same when I see motorcyclists here without helmets. Staggering. I remember the introduction of mandatory sea belts in the UK and my Dad wasn't happy about it. He wanted to be free to kill himself I guess but we have high compliance now. The problem with the analogy is that not wearing your seatbelt doesn't (or very very rarely) cause the death of someone else, whereas not wearing a mask means you are spreading potentially lethal germs. From what I understand,, and please correct me if Iām wrong, is that seatbelts help you stay in place and therefore more able to control the car, itās not just about protecting you in an accident but others as well. That being said, I also donāt love the analogy because vehicle accidents also āonlyā have a (physical) impact on the one accident site. Whereas someone spreading the virus has their actions multiplied innumerable times because it is the gift that just keeps giving. The impact is so widespread.
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Post by dewryce on Jul 4, 2020 14:10:32 GMT
CDC is not sure the coronavirus can be stopped. Today's total cases in the US, 53,419 At first I thought thatās not that bad until I realized itās total new cases. Holy freaking hell! Exactly. San Antonio alone had over 1300 new cases Thursday or Friday, we are at almost 15,000 cases. One city, and a city without a large downtown/urban population and limited public transportation. We are spread out so itās not like NYC where people are living & working right on top of each other. And our hospital capacity dropped over 13% overnight.
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Post by gar on Jul 4, 2020 14:30:50 GMT
I remember the introduction of mandatory sea belts in the UK and my Dad wasn't happy about it. He wanted to be free to kill himself I guess but we have high compliance now. The problem with the analogy is that not wearing your seatbelt doesn't (or very very rarely) cause the death of someone else, whereas not wearing a mask means you are spreading potentially lethal germs. From what I understand,, and please correct me if Iām wrong, is that seatbelts help you stay in place and therefore more able to control the car, itās not just about protecting you in an accident but others as well. That being said, I also donāt love the analogy because vehicle accidents also āonlyā have a (physical) impact on the one accident site. Whereas someone spreading the virus has their actions multiplied innumerable times because it is the gift that just keeps giving. The impact is so widespread. I have to be honest...keeping you in your seat so that you can be in control of the car isnāt something thatās Iāve ever seen promoted or highlighted. At the point of the seatbelt saving your life, controlling the car is probably a lost cause isnāt it? As far as I knew it was primarily all about stopping you from dying from flying through the windscreen. Maybe thatās something that was promoted differently in our countries?
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Post by dewryce on Jul 4, 2020 14:40:20 GMT
From what I understand,, and please correct me if Iām wrong, is that seatbelts help you stay in place and therefore more able to control the car, itās not just about protecting you in an accident but others as well. That being said, I also donāt love the analogy because vehicle accidents also āonlyā have a (physical) impact on the one accident site. Whereas someone spreading the virus has their actions multiplied innumerable times because it is the gift that just keeps giving. The impact is so widespread. I have to be honest...keeping you in your seat so that you can be in control of the car isnāt something thatās Iāve ever seen promoted or highlighted. At the point of the seatbelt saving your life, controlling the car is probably a lost cause isnāt it? As far as I knew it was primarily all about stopping you from dying from flying through the windscreen. Maybe thatās something that was promoted differently in our countries? Maybe, or perhaps just something I gloomed onto from way back when that was mentioned as a passing benefit. I agree, many severe accidents are beyond help with controlling the vehicle. But I think it can sometimes help avoid a more severe accident. I know that personally it helps me remain centered even in general driving. My car doesnāt even move in the driveway if my seatbelt isnāt secured; but a couple of times I have been sitting unbuckled in a parking lot waiting for long periods of time and have driven off without buckling it. It was amazing to me how much more out of control I felt backing up because I was moving around more. And even driving through out of the parking lot I felt all loosey-goosey. It took me a bit to figure out what the heck was going on
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Post by gar on Jul 4, 2020 15:00:05 GMT
dewryce - I agree! It feels really weird not to have a seat belt on now!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 4, 2020 15:00:29 GMT
People that drive without seatbelts must have really old cars. Mine starts to ding within a few seconds of driving without tie seatbelt.
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 4, 2020 15:54:20 GMT
This is bizarrely quite true, about seatbelts. We went to Minot, North Dakota today. I passed a sign on a power pole with a Click-it or ticket logo. It had Aiming for 80% seatbelt compliance and Current Compliance 78%. So 22% of drivers there are driving around without seatbelts. š³ Iāve lived here almost 18 years, and coming from a country with probably 100% compliance, this still shocks the hell out of me. I feel the same when I see motorcyclists here without helmets. Staggering. I suspect with the seatbelts it's mostly older people who just never could get used to them. My generation came of age/learned to drive just after the seatbelt laws were passed, and we were inundated in drivers' ed classes with crash scene videos showing mangled bodies when people were thrown through their windshield in a crash. My parents, on the other hand, were pretty apathetic about them, despite the fact that my mom's sister was literally killed when she was thrown from a car after they were hit by a drunk driver. My kids grew up being buckled in and it wouldn't occur to them to drive without a seatbelt. I don't know anyone my age or younger who doesn't routinely use a seatbelt, but I've known lots of older folks who just "couldn't get into the habit" or whatever. Even though motorcycle helmets are not required here, I very rarely see a motorcyclist without one, thank goodness. Agreed. Although, in my personal experience itās men in their 30s and 40s among people I actually know who refuse to wear them. People up here are of a different breed when it comes to things like that, though. š
Motorcycle helmets - Iāve seen one person wearing one. In nearly 18 years. I think the only thing that saves them from a really savage fatality rate, is that motorbikes are generally only a summer vehicle here.
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Post by Merge on Jul 4, 2020 16:04:23 GMT
Fuck them. Same people undoubtedly who want to send their mask free kids back to school ASAP to infect their disposable teachers. Well, if you die they do they have to pay your pension money? Girl, Texas teachers donāt get a pension. We pay into a retirement system like social security (we canāt draw both; itās one or the other). Between that and relatively low salaries, the state gets Texas teachers cheap.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 4, 2020 16:14:17 GMT
Well, if you die they do they have to pay your pension money? Girl, Texas teachers donāt get a pension. We pay into a retirement system like social security (we canāt draw both; itās one or the other). Between that and relatively low salaries, the state gets Texas teachers cheap. but do your beneficiaries get it if you die? Iām thinking not. So they could care less if you get Covid from students.
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 4, 2020 16:17:59 GMT
Iāll also agree, that itās really not a great comparison - seat belts vs masks.
It was just interesting just to see actual posted confirmation that seat belt compliance runs at those rates, in places.
I was born in the mid 70s, so our car when I was 5, did not have seatbelts (mind blowing to think about that now) in the back. It also had really heavy doors and no locking safety features. The street I lived on, had a sharp 90 degree right turn at one end of it. My dad was driving, us kids were in the back. He took the corner and the door wasnāt shut properly and I, the child on the end, went flying out the car. I happened so quickly that I didnāt even have time to react and rolled with the impact. Probably because i had no time to brace myself, I wasnāt hurt. Just scared. And that incident alone still branded clearly in memory, is why I always wear seatbelts, no matter what.
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Post by elaine on Jul 4, 2020 16:26:03 GMT
Iāll also agree, that itās really not a great comparison - seat belts vs masks. It was just interesting just to see actual posted confirmation that seat belt compliance runs at those rates, in places. I was born in the mid 70s, so our car when I was 5, did not have seatbelts (mind blowing to think about that now) in the back. It also had really heavy doors and no locking safety features. The street I lived on, had a sharp 90 degree right turn at one end of it. My dad was driving, us kids were in the back. He took the corner and the door wasnāt shut properly and I, the child on the end, went flying out the car. I happened so quickly that I didnāt even have time to react and rolled with the impact. Probably because i had no time to brace myself, I wasnāt hurt. Just scared. And that incident alone still branded clearly in memory, is why I always wear seatbelts, no matter what. How terrifying! Iām glad that you werenāt hurt. I was born in the early 60ās, but my parents paid to have seatbelts in the back seat for all of our cars. The car did not move out of the driveway until everyone was buckled in. Same rule with my kids. I have a hard time driving, even a short distance, if Iām not buckled in. It feels as though I am naked, or something.
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Post by moodyblue on Jul 4, 2020 16:52:19 GMT
Iāll also agree, that itās really not a great comparison - seat belts vs masks. It was just interesting just to see actual posted confirmation that seat belt compliance runs at those rates, in places. I was born in the mid 70s, so our car when I was 5, did not have seatbelts (mind blowing to think about that now) in the back. It also had really heavy doors and no locking safety features. The street I lived on, had a sharp 90 degree right turn at one end of it. My dad was driving, us kids were in the back. He took the corner and the door wasnāt shut properly and I, the child on the end, went flying out the car. I happened so quickly that I didnāt even have time to react and rolled with the impact. Probably because i had no time to brace myself, I wasnāt hurt. Just scared. And that incident alone still branded clearly in memory, is why I always wear seatbelts, no matter what. How terrifying! Iām glad that you werenāt hurt. I was born in the early 60ās, but my parents paid to have seatbelts in the back seat for all of our cars. The car did not move out of the driveway until everyone was buckled in. Same rule with my kids. I have a hard time driving, even a short distance, if Iām not buckled in. It feels as though I am naked, or something. I was born in 1956, and I remember when my parents had seatbelts installed in our car, so I've been wearing them since I was pretty young. And yes, once we got them, we always wore them.
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Post by Merge on Jul 4, 2020 17:08:19 GMT
Girl, Texas teachers donāt get a pension. We pay into a retirement system like social security (we canāt draw both; itās one or the other). Between that and relatively low salaries, the state gets Texas teachers cheap. but do your beneficiaries get it if you die? Iām thinking not. So they could care less if you get Covid from students. Uh, they'd better get it when I die! I've paid into the system for years. I get your point though. What it really comes down to is that a lot of our state and its legislators place no value on the teaching profession and think that a computer screen and a babysitter could do just as well. Now, I think we've all seen through shelter in place that this is not the case, but devaluing teachers is an important piece in the effort to give federal tax money to religious schools and homeschoolers, so it will continue.
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Post by Lexica on Jul 4, 2020 17:31:12 GMT
I had no idea. I didnāt like the seat belt law at first either, but now itās automatic. Why is it that so many Americans seem to think that they are special, and that they donāt have to follow laws? (Not really looking for an answer here, just thinking out loud, so to speak) With regard to masks, itās gotten to the point of absurdity. I was in a store picking up a couple of things a few days ago. Everyone I had noticed in the store was quietly shopping and wearing their masks and doing their best to stay 6ft apart from each other. Then as I was checking out, a woman came in without a mask. She was asked to put one on or leave. She started to pitch a fit. She was standing about 5 feet away from me and I asked her if the "no shirt, no shoes, no service" thing bothered her too. She just looked at me like I was insane. She said, of course that doesn't bother me! I had to laugh. So you add a swatch of fabric to keep your cooties to yourself to that longstanding rule and you lose it? And the shirt/shoe thing isn't a law or mandate, it is up to each individual store to decide. It was put in place in the 60s to keep hippies out of places. She was perfectly fine with that, but not with a mandate to wear a mask. People!?!? I think this pandemic and the isolation has people reacting differently than they would normally. At least I hope they would react better than this.
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