Dallie
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Post by Dallie on Jul 4, 2020 17:43:25 GMT
This is bizarrely quite true, about seatbelts. We went to Minot, North Dakota today. I passed a sign on a power pole with a Click-it or ticket logo. It had Aiming for 80% seatbelt compliance and Current Compliance 78%. So 22% of drivers there are driving around without seatbelts. š³ Iāve lived here almost 18 years, and coming from a country with probably 100% compliance, this still shocks the hell out of me. I feel the same when I see motorcyclists here without helmets. Staggering. I suspect with the seatbelts it's mostly older people who just never could get used to them. My generation came of age/learned to drive just after the seatbelt laws were passed, and we were inundated in drivers' ed classes with crash scene videos showing mangled bodies when people were thrown through their windshield in a crash. My parents, on the other hand, were pretty apathetic about them, despite the fact that my mom's sister was literally killed when she was thrown from a car after they were hit by a drunk driver. My kids grew up being buckled in and it wouldn't occur to them to drive without a seatbelt. I don't know anyone my age or younger who doesn't routinely use a seatbelt, but I've known lots of older folks who just "couldn't get into the habit" or whatever. Even though motorcycle helmets are not required here, I very rarely see a motorcyclist without one, thank goodness. One year in driver ed, the class did a project examining deaths resulting from being thrown from vehicles in our state. The vast majority were people under 25 and most of them were male. I will also note that my girls were all generous originally about driving college classmates to off site activities required for class. They all stopped doing it because there was always one male in the group who would refuse to go use a seatbelt.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jul 4, 2020 18:08:47 GMT
At first I thought thatās not that bad until I realized itās total new cases. Holy freaking hell! Exactly. San Antonio alone had over 1300 new cases Thursday or Friday, we are at almost 15,000 cases. One city, and a city without a large downtown/urban population and limited public transportation. We are spread out so itās not like NYC where people are living & working right on top of each other. And our hospital capacity dropped over 13% overnight. We had 325 new cases yesterday. In all of Canada. 325. This is why there is no debate here about opening our mutual border.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 4, 2020 18:09:42 GMT
I had no idea. I didnāt like the seat belt law at first either, but now itās automatic. Why is it that so many Americans seem to think that they are special, and that they donāt have to follow laws? (Not really looking for an answer here, just thinking out loud, so to speak) With regard to masks, itās gotten to the point of absurdity. I was in a store picking up a couple of things a few days ago. Everyone I had noticed in the store was quietly shopping and wearing their masks and doing their best to stay 6ft apart from each other. Then as I was checking out, a woman came in without a mask. She was asked to put one on or leave. She started to pitch a fit. She was standing about 5 feet away from me and I asked her if the "no shirt, no shoes, no service" thing bothered her too. She just looked at me like I was insane. She said, of course that doesn't bother me! I had to laugh. So you add a swatch of fabric to keep your cooties to yourself to that longstanding rule and you lose it? And the shirt/shoe thing isn't a law or mandate, it is up to each individual store to decide. It was put in place in the 60s to keep hippies out of places. She was perfectly fine with that, but not with a mandate to wear a mask. People!?!? I think this pandemic and the isolation has people reacting differently than they would normally. At least I hope they would react better than this. Every day we see another nutter having a hissy fit when told by store management that they must wear a mask. Who knew that there were so many unhinged citizens? Itās been eye-opening.
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Post by Lexica on Jul 4, 2020 18:25:21 GMT
mollycoddle, it is eye opening and a mix of sadness and terror for me. I have been living in oblivion that there were so many ignorant nutters in close proximity to me. And if all it takes is a simple request to wear a mask TEMPORARILY while we are experiencing a deadly pandemic to knock these people off their center, it makes me want to move to an island without neighbors. There are so many more things to be concerned with these days and yet a scrap of fabric does them in.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 4, 2020 18:36:24 GMT
mollycoddle, it is eye opening and a mix of sadness and terror for me. I have been living in oblivion that there were so many ignorant nutters in close proximity to me. And if all it takes is a simple request to wear a mask TEMPORARILY while we are experiencing a deadly pandemic to knock these people off their center, it makes me want to move to an island without neighbors. There are so many more things to be concerned with these days and yet a scrap of fabric does them in. Oh, I hear you. I live in Ohio and there are scads of nutters around here. Fortunately there are also a lot of sane people. Living in a blue state would be a nice change, though.
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Post by librarylady on Jul 4, 2020 20:14:58 GMT
I do want to be the fly on the wall to hear Gregg Abbott and Dan Patrick squaring off on this issue. Will Patrick hold a "no mask" rally in the shadow of the capitol building?
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Post by Merge on Jul 4, 2020 21:47:12 GMT
I suspect with the seatbelts it's mostly older people who just never could get used to them. My generation came of age/learned to drive just after the seatbelt laws were passed, and we were inundated in drivers' ed classes with crash scene videos showing mangled bodies when people were thrown through their windshield in a crash. My parents, on the other hand, were pretty apathetic about them, despite the fact that my mom's sister was literally killed when she was thrown from a car after they were hit by a drunk driver. My kids grew up being buckled in and it wouldn't occur to them to drive without a seatbelt. I don't know anyone my age or younger who doesn't routinely use a seatbelt, but I've known lots of older folks who just "couldn't get into the habit" or whatever. Even though motorcycle helmets are not required here, I very rarely see a motorcyclist without one, thank goodness. One year in driver ed, the class did a project examining deaths resulting from being thrown from vehicles in our state. The vast majority were people under 25 and most of them were male. I will also note that my girls were all generous originally about driving college classmates to off site activities required for class. They all stopped doing it because there was always one male in the group who would refuse to go use a seatbelt. I'm very sorry and shocked to hear that. It's not been an issue with my kids' friends at all.
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Post by Merge on Jul 4, 2020 21:48:37 GMT
I do want to be the fly on the wall to hear Gregg Abbott and Dan Patrick squaring off on this issue. Will Patrick hold a "no mask" rally in the shadow of the capitol building? My cynicism says that this is a carefully orchestrated display of good cop/bad cop to play to both sides of the GOP.
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Post by kernriver on Jul 4, 2020 21:50:46 GMT
Whatās the big fucking deal with wearing masks? People who refuse to wear masks should face surgery with doctors that donāt wear masks.
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Post by Merge on Jul 4, 2020 21:54:37 GMT
Whatās the big fucking deal with wearing masks? People who refuse to wear masks should face surgery with doctors that donāt wear masks. Along those lines, here's a great Twitter thread everyone should read: (I got to witness a lovely person at the grocery store today who informed the poor underpaid clerk, "You can make me wear a mask, but there's nothing that says I have to put it over my nose!" JFC people.)
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Post by breetheflea on Jul 4, 2020 22:13:35 GMT
mollycoddle , it is eye opening and a mix of sadness and terror for me. I have been living in oblivion that there were so many ignorant nutters in close proximity to me. And if all it takes is a simple request to wear a mask TEMPORARILY while we are experiencing a deadly pandemic to knock these people off their center, it makes me want to move to an island without neighbors. There are so many more things to be concerned with these days and yet a scrap of fabric does them in. Can I join you on that island? I can't believe I am friends, neighbors, or related to so many clueless people.
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 4, 2020 22:35:11 GMT
I just walked into Menards here and there is a sign up that as of July 13th masks will be mandatory in their store.
This should be interesting. š
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 4, 2020 22:36:51 GMT
Whatās the big fucking deal with wearing masks? People who refuse to wear masks should face surgery with doctors that donāt wear masks. Along those lines, here's a great Twitter thread everyone should read: (I got to witness a lovely person at the grocery store today who informed the poor underpaid clerk, "You can make me wear a mask, but there's nothing that says I have to put it over my nose!" JFC people.) Well, thatās an *adult* response. š
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Post by Jili on Jul 4, 2020 22:38:35 GMT
I do want to be the fly on the wall to hear Gregg Abbott and Dan Patrick squaring off on this issue. Will Patrick hold a "no mask" rally in the shadow of the capitol building? My cynicism says that this is a carefully orchestrated display of good cop/bad cop to play to both sides of the GOP. That is truly an interesting thought that I had not considered. It makes sense.
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 4, 2020 23:00:49 GMT
Iāll also agree, that itās really not a great comparison - seat belts vs masks. It was just interesting just to see actual posted confirmation that seat belt compliance runs at those rates, in places. I was born in the mid 70s, so our car when I was 5, did not have seatbelts (mind blowing to think about that now) in the back. It also had really heavy doors and no locking safety features. The street I lived on, had a sharp 90 degree right turn at one end of it. My dad was driving, us kids were in the back. He took the corner and the door wasnāt shut properly and I, the child on the end, went flying out the car. I happened so quickly that I didnāt even have time to react and rolled with the impact. Probably because i had no time to brace myself, I wasnāt hurt. Just scared. And that incident alone still branded clearly in memory, is why I always wear seatbelts, no matter what. How terrifying! Iām glad that you werenāt hurt. I was born in the early 60ās, but my parents paid to have seatbelts in the back seat for all of our cars. The car did not move out of the driveway until everyone was buckled in. Same rule with my kids. I have a hard time driving, even a short distance, if Iām not buckled in. It feels as though I am naked, or something. Thank you. It was, as you can see it really stuck with me. My poor dad was scarred a bit, too. He *still* looks guilty if the topic comes up even 40 years later. We did have car seats with belts for the other younger kids, but I was 5 and too big for one - and belted booster seats werenāt a thing then. Thankfully, advanced car safety features are a huge selling point nowadays.
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 4, 2020 23:03:42 GMT
How terrifying! Iām glad that you werenāt hurt. I was born in the early 60ās, but my parents paid to have seatbelts in the back seat for all of our cars. The car did not move out of the driveway until everyone was buckled in. Same rule with my kids. I have a hard time driving, even a short distance, if Iām not buckled in. It feels as though I am naked, or something. I was born in 1956, and I remember when my parents had seatbelts installed in our car, so I've been wearing them since I was pretty young. And yes, once we got them, we always wore them. I donāt think they thought about it, cause most children were restrained in belted car seats then. Iām the oldest, so I was too old for one, and booster seats werenāt a thing. We got another car with them after that incident though. š¬
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 4, 2020 23:34:51 GMT
Idiots like her and her husband are a big part of the problem. They are selfish a-holes who think that they are entitled to do whatever the hell they want. Good for the visitor center for enforcing the rhe rules. I hope that more place follow suit. Gah! š” National Park, Federal Land, required masks!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 4, 2020 23:41:02 GMT
I will also note that my girls were all generous originally about driving college classmates to off site activities required for class. They all stopped doing it because there was always one male in the group who would refuse to go use a seatbelt. You get in my car; you wear a seatbelt! I have worn a seatbelt since 1966, period!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 4, 2020 23:48:15 GMT
Well, you know itās serious now. You can have the toilet paper, hand sanitizer and briskets. All I want and need is basic groceries! My friend was going shopping and asked if I wanted/needed anything. Sure! She went early, there was a line down the block and the wait was at least an hour to just get into the store. No groceries here. Hopefully it will go batter tomorrow! Delivery is not an option of late. Ordered $60 worth, with charges equaled $70.... I got 4 items worth about $10 and had to pay the $10 charges.... total of $20...
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Post by dewryce on Jul 4, 2020 23:54:14 GMT
Well, you know itās serious now. You can have the toilet paper, hand sanitizer and briskets. All I want and need is basic groceries! My friend was going shopping and asked if I wanted/needed anything. Sure! She went early, there was a line down the block and the wait was at least an hour to just get into the store. No groceries here. Hopefully it will go batter tomorrow! Delivery is not an option of late. Ordered $60 worth, with charges equaled $70.... I got 4 items worth about $10 and had to pay the $10 charges.... total of $20... Wow! Do you mind if I ask what state or region youāre in? Delivery is not an option, what about curbside pick-up? Weāve been using that instead of delivery recently and, at least at our store, it if very efficient and completely contactless. With the additional benefit of groceries not sitting in an enclosed vehicle with someone else for an hour.
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 5, 2020 0:03:29 GMT
And yes, this is posted mostly with my tongue firmly in cheek.
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Post by scrappyesq on Jul 5, 2020 0:19:43 GMT
Well, you know itās serious now. You can have the toilet paper, hand sanitizer and briskets.Ā All I want and need is basic groceries!Ā My friend was going shopping and asked if I wanted/needed anything.Ā Sure!Ā She went early, there was a line down the block and the wait was at least an hour to just get into the store.Ā No groceries here.Ā Hopefully it will go batter tomorrow! Delivery is not an option of late.Ā Ordered $60 worth, with charges equaled $70....Ā I got 4 items worth about $10 and had to pay the $10 charges.... total of $20... I am so sorry to hear this....my anxiety when it comes to Covid has only been triggered by grocery uncertainty. Today is the first time in months where I went to the supermarket and didnāt lose it in the parking lot since things seem to be slowly creeping back to normal. I know some places still have lines but my go to market didnāt. Hopefully the little bit of normal is coming your way.
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 5, 2020 0:25:54 GMT
Well, you know itās serious now. You can have the toilet paper, hand sanitizer and briskets. All I want and need is basic groceries! My friend was going shopping and asked if I wanted/needed anything. Sure! She went early, there was a line down the block and the wait was at least an hour to just get into the store. No groceries here. Hopefully it will go batter tomorrow! Delivery is not an option of late. Ordered $60 worth, with charges equaled $70.... I got 4 items worth about $10 and had to pay the $10 charges.... total of $20... Oh gosh Iām sorry to hear this. Are you only needing fresh stuff? Is Amazon an option for any pantry staples?
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Post by cade387 on Jul 5, 2020 0:39:15 GMT
I just walked into Menards here and there is a sign up that as of July 13th masks will be mandatory in their store. This should be interesting. š Our Target has had a sign up since the state put the requirement out there. There were 5 employees (let alone guests š”) not wearing masks. I asked one worker if they were required to wear masks. I kid you not - she pulled DOWN her mask to tell me that āthis mask thing isnāt really a āThingā And it is kind of optionalā. WTF It is a fucking state mandate you asshat.
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 5, 2020 0:55:52 GMT
I just walked into Menards here and there is a sign up that as of July 13th masks will be mandatory in their store. This should be interesting. š Our Target has had a sign up since the state put the requirement out there. There were 5 employees (let alone guests š”) not wearing masks. I asked one worker if they were required to wear masks. I kid you not - she pulled DOWN her mask to tell me that āthis mask thing isnāt really a āThingā And it is kind of optionalā. WTF It is a fucking state mandate you asshat. Iām expecting that to go similarly here. Although to be fair, the Menards employees so far have been really diligent about wearing theirs, and doing so correctly.
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Post by 950nancy on Jul 5, 2020 1:07:35 GMT
This is bizarrely quite true, about seatbelts. We went to Minot, North Dakota today. I passed a sign on a power pole with a Click-it or ticket logo. It had Aiming for 80% seatbelt compliance and Current Compliance 78%. So 22% of drivers there are driving around without seatbelts. š³ Iāve lived here almost 18 years, and coming from a country with probably 100% compliance, this still shocks the hell out of me. I feel the same when I see motorcyclists here without helmets. Staggering. I suspect with the seatbelts it's mostly older people who just never could get used to them. My generation came of age/learned to drive just after the seatbelt laws were passed, and we were inundated in drivers' ed classes with crash scene videos showing mangled bodies when people were thrown through their windshield in a crash. My parents, on the other hand, were pretty apathetic about them, despite the fact that my mom's sister was literally killed when she was thrown from a car after they were hit by a drunk driver. My kids grew up being buckled in and it wouldn't occur to them to drive without a seatbelt. I don't know anyone my age or younger who doesn't routinely use a seatbelt, but I've known lots of older folks who just "couldn't get into the habit" or whatever. Even though motorcycle helmets are not required here, I very rarely see a motorcyclist without one, thank goodness. The seatbelt law was enacted in 1985 in my state. I remember thinking it was weird to HAVE to wear one. It didn't take long to realize that the law was actually a good one. Then the speed limit went up by 20 mph and thank God we have them. Most people use them. I don't know of any old people who still don't wear them.
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Post by 950nancy on Jul 5, 2020 1:11:46 GMT
I have noticed a lot more people wearing masks in stores lately. My state was doing really well despite opening up early, April 26th, but then the cases went up this last week. I think people just got tired of masks and distancing.
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