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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 16:17:56 GMT
I witnessed Annabella be bullied off the board. I saw (you know who you are, and so do I) the post to Annabella that she was a "waste of human life". It is this type of behavior I decided I would call out when it happens. I was bullied when I was a kid so I recognize it and respond accordingly. WTF? When and where did that happen? Thanks for all the replies. I can't compare the old board with this one as I was only on it for a few months before it closed, I did have someone on there try to be a bitch to me but it was kind of a pathetic attempt so I rolled my eyes and moved on. I have a few Peas that I won't interact with and a few that I've changed my opinion of recently but I don't have anyone blocked. I like the board, I've found a lot of kindness here and hopefully been forgiven when I've let my own freak bitch fly. I know I can be snarky. jeremysgirl this place would be very sad without you, I admire your honesty.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jul 5, 2020 16:20:41 GMT
Why don’t people just challenge what they think is unfair? If you feel someone attacked you unjustifiably, then challenge that person! Of course I know some people just don’t want to deal with the hassle because it can get emotionally draining and we all have different personalities and level of tolerance, but to complain about it after the fact does no good either. At any given time, there are approximately 200 people logged onto NSBR; there’s no controlling the behavior of 200 people and it doesn’t matter whether it’s this board or any other public message board unless there are moderators. Since there’s no moderator here, then stand up for yourself because no one else will do it for you. I’m with busy . I also think there’s a bit of revisionism going on here. I wasn’t very active when this board began but I did read a lot of threads then. Seriously, there were lunatics then and I’m not talking about run-of-the-mill polemics. I really mean lunatics. So, if anything, this board has actually improved in my opinion. This may come as a surprise to some, but this board is actually tame compared to others. I don’t fault people who want a kinder, gentler board. I just think it’s an unrealistic expectation because this is not a private board. Politics and social issues have always been and will always be controversial and adversarial. That’s just the reality. If you want to change the direction and have less of them, then post topics that are not controversial. I think the original post is a challenge. Trying to identify the issue and get discussion. And it's been surprisingly civil. There have been opinions from different sides and with the exception of one post, nobody has name called any particular pea / position.
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Post by lindas on Jul 5, 2020 16:26:28 GMT
You think parsnips are delicious? Well you're just wrong. You need to educate yourself about parsnips. If you think parsnips are delicious then you just don't get it. I used to like parsnips and then I got a clue. I saw on another thread that you like parsnips so even though in this thread we are talking about liking kittens, fuck you parsnip lover. You always make these parsnip threads all about you. For you to say you love parsnips tells me that you know absolutely nothing about parsnips. You don't know all about the history of parsnips? I feel sorry for you. 6 months ago you posted about not liking parsnips. Now you say you like them. Which is it? You can't have it both ways. Everybody I know who likes parsnips is a pedophile. Just saying. God, are we talking about parsnips AGAIN? If you want to know about parsnips, do a search on the board. Or with google. it's not hard. Don't expect us to have to educate you about parsnips, that's not our job. I've never heard anyone use the word "eat parsnips". Is that even a thing? You called "eat parsnips" a word. It's actually a phrase. You're both wrong. "eat parsnips" is a sentence fragment. You nailed it!
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Post by gramma on Jul 5, 2020 16:30:02 GMT
Serious question: do you really think many Peas would tell you (general you) about whats going on in their life after being told to fuck off? After being called pussies? Or are you (general you) only wanting those who aren't pussies to share and ask for support? Who would put their personal business 'out here' for 2 Peas consumption, after being told to fuck off and go away?
Here I go - with an opinion, which I rarely express here. Very few people would actually use this sort of language face to face. I can understand having differing opinions but when one sinks to personal attacks it makes me very uncomfortable. The position that some hold that they are RIGHT and if you don't agree or have a different perspective you are WRONG - TOTALLY INEXCUSABLY WRONG. You must be schooled, scolded and shamed. What happened to tolerance? I rarely post on this part of the board. I tend to stick to the Scrapbook side where the biggest disagreement might be about which blue is best.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 5, 2020 16:32:43 GMT
haven't read the thread, only commenting on the op
I think it depends on how thick of a skin you have and how raw your emotions are on a given topic.
I do feel if you stray from the current liberal ideology and ideals in anyway, there are posters who are ready to pounce and then there are people who will jump in
Sometimes I think the peas are just paying lips service and trying to be woke.
People think THEY are right and that THEY have the answers and sometimes forget that others have opinions too.
And I think this board has people who feel others should just flip a switch and be on the same page. Sometimes it takes a while the absorb and change and when you have people constantly berating you, often people dig in their heels and refuse to change.
I think the right fighters and the ones who think it should be 100% this way do their causes more harm than good and think that shows here
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Post by christine58 on Jul 5, 2020 16:32:50 GMT
The political nasty tones. The constant hashing out of masks, no masks. Calling out others for living life. So many here have become so...gosh what's the word... Judgemental is what I'd call it.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Jul 5, 2020 16:35:42 GMT
The terminology, insults, characters, and topics change, but there always have been “pitchfork” peas. Always. Full stop.
We laugh about all the “gates”, crockpots, etc....from back in the day, but a lot do those are born from really really crazy fighting. We had a couple peas that turned everything to Pro-life-abortion. Literally, one did it on EVERY thread she posted on back in the early- 2000’s. Fun times.
And like it or not, those of us that have been here a long time, have seen this topic come up over and over. I agree with lizcreates that there is revisionist history of halcyon days of yore.
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Post by peabay on Jul 5, 2020 16:37:12 GMT
I think you have to be able to stand up for your positions here. If you say something, back it up. If you can't, then prepare to be poked about it. And I think people don't like that. They want to be able to have an opinion and move on without being challenged. You have some really educated and informed people here who aren't going to let people get away with just throwing something out there without being able to explain themselves.
And you have to ignore the ones who are rougher around the edges.
But when my father died there was 8 pages of condolences and a bunch of private messages. It was such a comfort and support to me. So, this place, if it's filled with bullies, it has bullies who do care about the other people here.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jul 5, 2020 16:38:09 GMT
What I do feel sometimes here is left out. If you left it would leave a big hole. I frequently don't know what's going on but then again I think there can be some comfort in not knowing every thing that's going on around me. I always notice your posts and you always bring honesty and good discussion. I'm sorry you feel left out. I agree with this completely. I feel the same way about you as well, myboysnme.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 16:38:51 GMT
I know the solution. I have suggested it to the mod but went ignored. There should be a separate board for POLITICAL. Often even the titles rile me up. Janet That's been suggested many times and almost unanimously agreed that it isn't what people want.
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Post by christine58 on Jul 5, 2020 16:39:48 GMT
I witnessed Annabella be bullied off the board. I saw (you know who you are, and so do I) the post to Annabella that she was a "waste of human life". It is this type of behavior I decided I would call out when it happens. I was bullied when I was a kid so I recognize it and respond accordingly.
OMG someone posted that to her???
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Jul 5, 2020 16:48:53 GMT
I think you have to be able to stand up for your positions here. If you say something, back it up. If you can't, then prepare to be poked about it. And I think people don't like that. They want to be able to have an opinion and move on without being challenged. You have some really educated and informed people here who aren't going to let people get away with just throwing something out there without being able to explain themselves. And you have to ignore the ones who are rougher around the edges. But when my father died there was 8 pages of condolences and a bunch of private messages. It was such a comfort and support to me. So, this place, if it's filled with bullies, it has bullies who do care about the other people here. Yes! I see that elsewhere on the internet as well. That is why I am very careful about what I choose to post here, social media, etc... I, in partial, thank 2peas for that. This place helped me, over the years, learn how to debate Online appropriately, challenged my thinking, and back up what I say. People still want to post “opinions”, here and elsewhere, and get hurt or pissy when they get pushback. You might be able to get away with it more on social media if you have like minded or apathetic friends on there...or unfriend those who make you feel yuky, but this is a unmoderated message board with discussions and give and take. It isn’t the place to just spout off opinions and not back them up. I’m not saying we don’t have some people who don’t know how be civil or have some annoying quirks, but it feels like a lot of what is being referred to here is like peabay says....if you want to be validated or unchallenged, keep a nice tight circle on FB. Otherwise, you have to buck up.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jul 5, 2020 16:49:17 GMT
The terminology, insults, characters, and topics change, but there always have been “pitchfork” peas. Always. Full stop. We laugh about all the “gates”, crockpots, etc....from back in the day, but a lot do those are born from really really crazy fighting. We had a couple peas that turned everything to Pro-life-abortion. Literally, one did it on EVERY thread she posted on back in the early- 2000’s. Fun times. And like it or not, those of us that have been here a long time, have seen this topic come up over and over. I agree with lizcreates that there is revisionist history of halcyon days of yore. I don't think it's revisionist history. My understanding is we are talking about the Pea Refugees, not the original Two Peas board. We all know the old board was the Wild, Wild West. Most have been very vocal about the fact that they never participated on the old NSBR, but do participate here (on the "kinder, gentler" NSBR). The point being, it feels less "kind/gentle" than when we started the new board.
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Post by mom26 on Jul 5, 2020 16:50:54 GMT
I think you have to be able to stand up for your positions here. If you say something, back it up. If you can't, then prepare to be poked about it. And I think people don't like that. They want to be able to have an opinion and move on without being challenged. You have some really educated and informed people here who aren't going to let people get away with just throwing something out there without being able to explain themselves. And you have to ignore the ones who are rougher around the edges. But when my father died there was 8 pages of condolences and a bunch of private messages. It was such a comfort and support to me. So, this place, if it's filled with bullies, it has bullies who do care about the other people here. Do you see the problem with your wording, here? Your assertion that certain opinions are not going to be ALLOWED without an acceptable explanation? Acceptable to whom? Only the proclaimed 'educated and informed'? Who would that be? The 'shut the fuck up' Peas?
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Jul 5, 2020 16:51:23 GMT
My personal opinion is that if you don't agree with the majority on whatever the topic, subject, matter, issue, etc... is, you are considered wrong. Those who are deemed wrong are targeted and jumped on by the majority.
Some honestly have opposing viewpoints and they stand steadfast in their opinion and beliefs (nothing wrong with that). There are some posters who like to bait and provoke others into an argument, just for the sake of "because they can". Disagreeing or opposing not because their opinion is different, but because they thrive on being argumentative. That causes a lot of dissension and turmoil. It's when someone tries to force you to believe their way is correct, that the battle begins. I won't name names, but there are some members that are always looking for or ready to fight.
I personally, scroll on by the more controversial topics. Arguing is not my style, nor is engaging in a discussion that is always going to have multiple opposing sides. Especially when many of the "sides" have no interest in hearing any opposing viewpoints. A general "they" are wrong and a general "I" am right....seems to occur frequently.
I believe what I believe, think how I think, have my opinions on any given topic, subject, issue, etc... and that is okay. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Just because ones opinion about something is different about something, doesn't mean it's wrong.
On the original pea board I was one of the first 100 to join(although I lost my original number when the board crashed or something and I had to re-sign up). I enjoy the camaraderie here. and look forward to participating for years to come.
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Post by carhoch on Jul 5, 2020 16:51:58 GMT
I personally don’t think it’s that bad .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 16:52:07 GMT
I witnessed Annabella be bullied off the board. I saw (you know who you are, and so do I) the post to Annabella that she was a "waste of human life". It is this type of behavior I decided I would call out when it happens. I was bullied when I was a kid so I recognize it and respond accordingly.
OMG someone posted that to her??? No. People were harsh to her on the Sandy Hook thread but no one said she was a 'waste of human life'. I've read the thread through twice and I just can't see it, if I'm wrong and it's there I apologise.
I'm also not convinced that thread is why she left.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Jul 5, 2020 16:54:17 GMT
The terminology, insults, characters, and topics change, but there always have been “pitchfork” peas. Always. Full stop. We laugh about all the “gates”, crockpots, etc....from back in the day, but a lot do those are born from really really crazy fighting. We had a couple peas that turned everything to Pro-life-abortion. Literally, one did it on EVERY thread she posted on back in the early- 2000’s. Fun times. And like it or not, those of us that have been here a long time, have seen this topic come up over and over. I agree with lizcreates that there is revisionist history of halcyon days of yore. I don't think it's revisionist history. My understanding is we are talking about the Pea Refugees, not the original Two Peas board. We all know the old board was the Wild, Wild West. Most have been very vocal about the fact that they never participated on the old NSBR, but do participate here (on the "kinder, gentler" NSBR). The point being, it feels less "kind/gentle" than when we started the new board. I don’t think we can unlink the two, that history travels with this board. However, either way, I’ve seen this topic come up at least once a year since the new board’s inception.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 5, 2020 16:56:52 GMT
I think you have to be able to stand up for your positions here. If you say something, back it up. If you can't, then prepare to be poked about it. And I think people don't like that. They want to be able to have an opinion and move on without being challenged. You have some really educated and informed people here who aren't going to let people get away with just throwing something out there without being able to explain themselves. And you have to ignore the ones who are rougher around the edges. But when my father died there was 8 pages of condolences and a bunch of private messages. It was such a comfort and support to me. So, this place, if it's filled with bullies, it has bullies who do care about the other people here. This. On the old board, you were constantly challenged and you had to be able to back up statements with proof. It was good practice for 2020, I guess. But this board is also very kind and very informative at times.
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Post by busy on Jul 5, 2020 16:57:36 GMT
Your assertion that certain opinions are not going to be ALLOWED without an acceptable explanation? She's talking about ALL opinions, not CERTAIN opinions. And I don't think there's anything objectionable about people being able to explain why they hold opinions. Only by examining why one believes what one believes can one uncover their own unconscious biases.
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Post by christine58 on Jul 5, 2020 16:58:13 GMT
OMG someone posted that to her??? No. People were harsh to her on the Sandy Hook thread but no one said she was a 'waste of human life'. I've read the thread through twice and I just can't see it, if I'm wrong and it's there I apologise.
I'm also not convinced that thread is why she left.
No idea what thread that is.... But I will say this if DEX is saying someone said that to her, she needs to prove it and show who it was...
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Post by mom on Jul 5, 2020 16:59:33 GMT
Why don’t people just challenge what they think is unfair? If you feel someone attacked you unjustifiably, then challenge that person! Of course I know some people just don’t want to deal with the hassle because it can get emotionally draining and we all have different personalities and level of tolerance, but to complain about it after the fact does no good either. At any given time, there are approximately 200 people logged onto NSBR; there’s no controlling the behavior of 200 people and it doesn’t matter whether it’s this board or any other public message board unless there are moderators. Since there’s no moderator here, then stand up for yourself because no one else will do it for you. I’m with busy . I also think there’s a bit of revisionism going on here. I wasn’t very active when this board began but I did read a lot of threads then. Seriously, there were lunatics then and I’m not talking about run-of-the-mill polemics. I really mean lunatics. So, if anything, this board has actually improved in my opinion. This may come as a surprise to some, but this board is actually tame compared to others. I don’t fault people who want a kinder, gentler board. I just think it’s an unrealistic expectation because this is not a private board. Politics and social issues have always been and will always be controversial and adversarial. That’s just the reality. If you want to change the direction and have less of them, then post topics that are not controversial. I think the original post is a challenge. Trying to identify the issue and get discussion. And it's been surprisingly civil. There have been opinions from different sides and with the exception of one post, nobody has name called any particular pea / position. Sorry, that was me. I shouldn't have said anything, muchness named them. I regret that choice.
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Post by Olan on Jul 5, 2020 17:01:55 GMT
Serious question: do you really think many Peas would tell you (general you) about whats going on in their life after being told to fuck off? After being called pussies? Or are you (general you) only wanting those who aren't pussies to share and ask for support? Who would put their personal business 'out here' for 2 Peas consumption, after being told to fuck off and go away? Seriously, it happens EVERYDAY. Peas post about sick family members, marital issues, job issues and get support. How many peas jumped on Olan when she pulled her shit with Elaine. Hell, even when Leowife posted about her off the board threats the peas condemned it and supported her...EVEN ME! You say “general you” but you are clearly talking about me specifically. Just own it. Perspective: No one “jumped on” Elaine or any of the other peas who have attacked me personally. zookeeper started an entire thread. The mentally ill angry Black women taunts haven’t been erased from the threads I’ve started so I know a clear ACCURATE account of what happened is available to those who do their own research. Also what pinklady means by “shit” is me having posted Elaine’s last name next to a racist comment she made to me in a thread. Peas have since perpetuated the lie that I included geographical information which I did not. Labeled it doxing (very clearly not) and acted like Elaine was a victim instead of the antagonist she actually is. I’m cool with it. Like I said before it’s apparent the type of prison Elaine exists in. No need for me to pay her a visit. That’s why I don’t engage with any of the peas who now want to discuss without the “malice”. It’s not worth it to me and I’m embarrassed there was ever a time in my life where it was. We all get to decide where to direct our energy. Don’t be mad at a screen name. Take a moment and ask yourself what it really says about someone who needs to feel powerful and popular among a group of aging women bonded over paper crafts. That said the board is predictable. It’s always been like this in varying degrees. If your support of me was genuine and consistent I appreciate it and hope you are well ❤️
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Post by pinklady on Jul 5, 2020 17:03:05 GMT
No. People were harsh to her on the Sandy Hook thread but no one said she was a 'waste of human life'. I've read the thread through twice and I just can't see it, if I'm wrong and it's there I apologise.
I'm also not convinced that thread is why she left.
No idea what thread that is.... But I will say this if DEX is saying someone said that to her, she needs to prove it and show who it was... Oh jesus, you only want her to “prove” It because you are a nosy busy body. You and your demands are ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 17:04:16 GMT
they created a political board so that the fights wouldn’t spill over onto the main board. And that was all that some of us asked, but it was denied. So politics spill over into every thread at some point. You can't avoid the nasty, angry thread titles even if you don't open the thread itself. The anger permeates everything and it ruins the whole feel to the peaceful getaway that other peas need. I'm not saying anyone should change their opinions or views. I'm not saying they shouldn't post. But damm why do we all have to be subjected to it nonstop all the time? Create a separate board like the other special interests (scrapping, etc.) and leave it off of the main board and out of other threads so that everyone can enjoy it. I don't see what is so fucking hard about that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 17:04:49 GMT
No. People were harsh to her on the Sandy Hook thread but no one said she was a 'waste of human life'. I've read the thread through twice and I just can't see it, if I'm wrong and it's there I apologise.
I'm also not convinced that thread is why she left.
No idea what thread that is.... But I will say this if DEX is saying someone said that to her, she needs to prove it and show who it was...
If I've missed something on that thread then anyone/everyone is free to correct me.
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Post by katlady on Jul 5, 2020 17:05:24 GMT
I feel like my Nextdoor feed can be worse than here. And on Nextdoor, you have to scroll through every post, you can't just click on the titles you want to read.
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Post by christine58 on Jul 5, 2020 17:05:51 GMT
If I've missed something on that thread then anyone/everyone is free to correct me. Who is the OP??? Says Deleted?? I don't condone if someone said that to her , but her first comment about parents needing to blame themselves for not advocating for better security?? WTF
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Post by busy on Jul 5, 2020 17:06:31 GMT
No idea what thread that is.... But I will say this if DEX is saying someone said that to her, she needs to prove it and show who it was...
If I've missed something on that thread then anyone/everyone is free to correct me.
My interpretation of Dex's post was that it was a post that was deleted but she saw it before it was. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what she meant.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 17:07:03 GMT
That's been suggested many times and almost unanimously agreed that it isn't what people want. That is not true at all. It isn't almost unanimously agreed to. It was what the admin said was not going to happen. Just look at all the people on a couple of threads right now who say it is unpleasant because of political threads not to mention those that have left because they can't stand the negativity every single day right in their face.
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