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Post by mom26 on Jul 5, 2020 17:08:43 GMT
Your assertion that certain opinions are not going to be ALLOWED without an acceptable explanation? She's talking about ALL opinions, not CERTAIN opinions. And I don't think there's anything objectionable about people being able to explain why they hold opinions. Only by examining why one believes what one believes can one uncover their own unconscious biases. Ah, biases. Everyone has those. However, it seems only opinions that lean to one side rather than another need to be 'examined' and examined publicly. And then subsequently and thoroughly shredded by the 'educated and informed' who really DON'T want to hear why one feels differently than they do. Yah. No, thanks.
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 5, 2020 17:09:06 GMT
Are we a bunch of bullies and abusers and why do we all stick around if that's the case? It's a hard no IMHO and I stick around because there are many, many people here who have become friends that I truly care about. i wish there were more posts about food haha. I know I’ve bought and cooked with parsnips a few times but not very often - they do seem like less interesting carrots (sorry parsnips...) someone tell me I’m wrong! I think the taste doesn't doesn't over ride the blandness they bring to the plate. IMHO of course. Who wants to eat more beige? I am on a mission to get more people eating kohlrabi. It has a fun, funky shape and great taste & texture. I’m not enjoying the board as much as I used to either, but I think that’s more about me than the board. It was always an escape and a place to discuss and learn. It’s still the latter IMO but there’s not really any escape anymore because we are largely all going through the same thing. We’re collectively in a difficult mental/emotional place because the whole world is. So instead of the board providing some respite from the real world, it magnifies it. And that’s not what I especially need right now. I'm still showing up, reading and posting but walk past a few that I know will raise the old BP. On the flip side, no one has the right to say whatever they want and expect only positive/neutral responses. That’s not how discussion works. People will disagree with you. And people will post whatever they want even if the OP tries to lay down rules for who or what can be posted in their thread.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 17:09:22 GMT
That's been suggested many times and almost unanimously agreed that it isn't what people want. That is not true at all. It isn't almost unanimously agreed to. It was what the admin said was not going to happen. Just look at all the people on a couple of threads right now who say it is unpleasant because of political threads not to mention those that have left because they can't stand the negativity every single day right in their face. I thought we had a poll about it?
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Post by MaryMary on Jul 5, 2020 17:10:08 GMT
I think we are all feeling a bit more tense because we are in a global pandemic. We are also in an election year, which has always made this board more combative. ALWAYS.
The world is different and kind of terrifying and some of that is running over onto the board.
I think this place overall is much kinder than the original bucket, but for sure feelings have been more heightened this year than they were in the Before Times. That’s natural. We have literally never been in this situation before.
I think some of the posters (I’m thinking of one in particular) that are particularly challenging are lacking social awareness and don’t necessarily intend to be abrasive. I don’t know... I have a lot of people like this in my life and they can be very blunt when delivering information. They don’t generally intend harm but are very, very literal and are compelled to correct what they view as misinformation.
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Post by busy on Jul 5, 2020 17:10:33 GMT
She's talking about ALL opinions, not CERTAIN opinions. And I don't think there's anything objectionable about people being able to explain why they hold opinions. Only by examining why one believes what one believes can one uncover their own unconscious biases. Ah, biases. Everyone has those. However, it seems only opinions that lean to one side rather than another need to be 'examined' and examined publicly. And then subsequently and thoroughly shredded by the 'educated and informed' who really DON'T want to hear why one feels differently than they do. Yah. No, thanks. Ok, fine. Over the years, I've learned a lot about myself and my own biases (some of which I absolutely didn't think I had) by explaining my beliefs to others. Self-examination is a net benefit, I think, even when it's difficult.
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Post by peabay on Jul 5, 2020 17:10:58 GMT
I think you have to be able to stand up for your positions here. If you say something, back it up. If you can't, then prepare to be poked about it. And I think people don't like that. They want to be able to have an opinion and move on without being challenged. You have some really educated and informed people here who aren't going to let people get away with just throwing something out there without being able to explain themselves. And you have to ignore the ones who are rougher around the edges. But when my father died there was 8 pages of condolences and a bunch of private messages. It was such a comfort and support to me. So, this place, if it's filled with bullies, it has bullies who do care about the other people here. Do you see the problem with your wording, here? Your assertion that certain opinions are not going to be ALLOWED without an acceptable explanation? Acceptable to whom? Only the proclaimed 'educated and informed'? Who would that be? The 'shut the fuck up' Peas? I don't think anyone would ever call me a "shut the fuck up" pea and I expect people to be able to back up their assertions. Tell me why you think Trump is a good President; tell me why you hate Hamilton; tell me why you won't ever eat an olive. Whatever - if you don't want to back it up, then ignore the flak you get. Leone has figured that out. She posts her Trump stuff and then leaves. She doesn't seem to care about the reaction. So, you either back up your assertions or grow a thick skin. And "educated and informed" means a lot of things - not just about politics. There are people here who are way more informed about a myriad of topics that I know nothing about. So, I'm not going to jump in a quilting thread and say "quilting is such a waste of time - all that effort and you end up with a stitched blanket?" and not expect that people will push back to explain myself. I can either do that and try to justify saying something like that or move on. But you have to expect that people will have a difference of opinion and be open to backing up your side. Or ignore the pushback - but you can't expect that people aren't going to ask you to defend your opinion.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jul 5, 2020 17:11:03 GMT
I think you have to be able to stand up for your positions here. If you say something, back it up. If you can't, then prepare to be poked about it. And I think people don't like that. They want to be able to have an opinion and move on without being challenged. You have some really educated and informed people here who aren't going to let people get away with just throwing something out there without being able to explain themselves. And you have to ignore the ones who are rougher around the edges. But when my father died there was 8 pages of condolences and a bunch of private messages. It was such a comfort and support to me. So, this place, if it's filled with bullies, it has bullies who do care about the other people here. Why does every opinion have to be backed up? To borrow QueenoftheSloths parsnip example, if I don’t like parsnips why do I have to explain or defend why? Why do I have to include that I have or have not tried them or that I just don’t care to try them. For me, not every opinion has to be validated or debated. Some opinions just are I don’t care for the color red, does it really matter why. I do agree that the peas can and do rally and support each other when there is a loss. I really appreciate that and it always warms my heart. I think of you when I see your dad on screen.
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Post by femalebusiness on Jul 5, 2020 17:11:06 GMT
I think you have to be able to stand up for your positions here. If you say something, back it up. If you can't, then prepare to be poked about it. And I think people don't like that. They want to be able to have an opinion and move on without being challenged. You have some really educated and informed people here who aren't going to let people get away with just throwing something out there without being able to explain themselves. And you have to ignore the ones who are rougher around the edges. But when my father died there was 8 pages of condolences and a bunch of private messages. It was such a comfort and support to me. So, this place, if it's filled with bullies, it has bullies who do care about the other people here. Do you see the problem with your wording, here? Your assertion that certain opinions are not going to be ALLOWED without an acceptable explanation? Acceptable to whom? Only the proclaimed 'educated and informed'? Who would that be? The 'shut the fuck up' Peas? I see nothing wrong with her wording, she is spot on. No one wants to hear hear “opinions” that have no reason and logic behind them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 17:11:30 GMT
If I've missed something on that thread then anyone/everyone is free to correct me.
My interpretation of Dex's post was that it was a post that was deleted but she saw it before it was. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what she meant. If someone did say that then I'm glad they had the decency to delete it. Although decent might not be the best word to describe someone who typed that out in the first place.
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Post by moodyblue on Jul 5, 2020 17:12:00 GMT
I think you have to be able to stand up for your positions here. If you say something, back it up. If you can't, then prepare to be poked about it. And I think people don't like that. They want to be able to have an opinion and move on without being challenged. You have some really educated and informed people here who aren't going to let people get away with just throwing something out there without being able to explain themselves. And you have to ignore the ones who are rougher around the edges. But when my father died there was 8 pages of condolences and a bunch of private messages. It was such a comfort and support to me. So, this place, if it's filled with bullies, it has bullies who do care about the other people here. Yes. I see a lot more animosity and derogatory comments to people on other forums, on Facebook, local news sites, etc. I don't like when people get mean or really obnoxious, but I don't block anyone here. I do appreciate when people go too far and recognize that (maybe because they get called on it) and apologize. We are all under new and different stresses, and as much as is shared here, we don't know what other people are going through personally and how that affects their postings. A little grace to everyone goes a long way. For me personally, I don't always post on threads that I read - but that doesn't mean I am not thinking about what was said, by everyone. I know that I've had some uncomfortable awakenings because someone has posted a perspective different than my own. But that's part of why I come here - to read the experiences and perspectives of people other than myself, people with different belief systems and political leanings, people who live in other states and countries, people who live with challenges I don't have. I learn from it all. Sometimes I buy things I never knew I needed, but that's a different issue.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 17:12:04 GMT
FTR I love parsnips, they make delicious soup.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 5, 2020 17:13:40 GMT
they created a political board so that the fights wouldn’t spill over onto the main board. And that was all that some of us asked, but it was denied. So politics spill over into every thread at some point. You can't avoid the nasty, angry thread titles even if you don't open the thread itself. The anger permeates everything and it ruins the whole feel to the peaceful getaway that other peas need. I'm not saying anyone should change their opinions or views. I'm not saying they shouldn't post. But damm why do we all have to be subjected to it nonstop all the time? Create a separate board like the other special interests (scrapping, etc.) and leave it off of the main board and out of other threads so that everyone can enjoy it. I don't see what is so fucking hard about that. Fine by me. 🤷♀️ I actually liked the politics board. A lot of people seemed to.
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Post by lizacreates on Jul 5, 2020 17:14:46 GMT
they created a political board so that the fights wouldn’t spill over onto the main board. And that was all that some of us asked, but it was denied. So politics spill over into every thread at some point. You can't avoid the nasty, angry thread titles even if you don't open the thread itself. The anger permeates everything and it ruins the whole feel to the peaceful getaway that other peas need. I'm not saying anyone should change their opinions or views. I'm not saying they shouldn't post. But damm why do we all have to be subjected to it nonstop all the time? Create a separate board like the other special interests (scrapping, etc.) and leave it off of the main board and out of other threads so that everyone can enjoy it. I don't see what is so fucking hard about that. Well, personally, I don’t see what’s hard or objectionable about it either. In fact, it’ll make my reading far easier because I love political topics and I can just zero in immediately to that board. I can also understand why just seeing the thread titles can be dispiriting and a trigger to some. I see it as a reasonable compromise.
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Post by femalebusiness on Jul 5, 2020 17:14:47 GMT
The pandemic hasn't bothered me at all. Quite the contrary. I have enjoyed no obligations to socialize and getting to spend all of my time with my husband uninterrupted. The only thing I miss is going out to eat.
Having a complete criminal, con and his disgusting crotch waving wife in the White House is shameful and has put me in a very bad mood when I am confronted by that crap daily. I see the danger and can see that in the years to come the citizens of this country and their children are going to pay very dearly for what is being done to our democracy. The fact that there are people who refuse to see that, and actually support what is going on puts me in a very bad mood.
It is mostly the political threads that are contentious and like those who enjoy the vent threads, I enjoy bashing trump and those who support him. It relieves some of my stress to know that not everyone I this country that I love has lost their minds. If you don't like that stay off of the political threads and you'll be fine.
I also have little tolerance for those who flounce and then sneak back under a new screen name. It is so spineless and slimy.
I read the old board but never joined until this one started up. I am also a member of another board and have been for twenty years. This board is tame. I think there are a lot of people who need thicker skin.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 5, 2020 17:15:49 GMT
FTR I love parsnips, they make delicious soup. Never tried that, will have to in the fall. I sometimes put them in beef stew.
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Post by peabay on Jul 5, 2020 17:17:17 GMT
I think you have to be able to stand up for your positions here. If you say something, back it up. If you can't, then prepare to be poked about it. And I think people don't like that. They want to be able to have an opinion and move on without being challenged. You have some really educated and informed people here who aren't going to let people get away with just throwing something out there without being able to explain themselves. And you have to ignore the ones who are rougher around the edges. But when my father died there was 8 pages of condolences and a bunch of private messages. It was such a comfort and support to me. So, this place, if it's filled with bullies, it has bullies who do care about the other people here. Why does every opinion have to be backed up? To borrow QueenoftheSloths parsnip example, if I don’t like parsnips why do I have to explain or defend why? Why do I have to include that I have or have not tried them or that I just don’t care to try them. For me, not every opinion has to be validated or debated. Some opinions just are I don’t care for the color red, does it really matter why. I do agree that the peas can and do rally and support each other when there is a loss. I really appreciate that and it always warms my heart. I think of you when I see your dad on screen. You can't expect someone, in a group of how many hundred women, isn't going to take an issue with an opinion. It's not going to happen. So you can either 1. have a thick skin and say "eh, I just don't like red. Whatever." or you can 2. explain it. I guess I don't get why people are so defensive about their opinions - just explain yourself. I honestly feel that sometimes people haven't thought that much about why they feel the way they do and then don't like getting pushback on it because it forces them to really think about it. My main point is defend yourself or don't, but don't complain when people ask you to. You're in a community of a lot of different people - it can't be unexpected when people ask others to support their opinions.
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Post by peabay on Jul 5, 2020 17:18:18 GMT
FTR I love parsnips, they make delicious soup. LOL - I don't. And before anyone starts with me: I'm just not crazy about the peppery flavor. It's just not my preference.
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Post by busy on Jul 5, 2020 17:20:03 GMT
FTR I love parsnips, they make delicious soup. LOL - I don't. And before anyone starts with me: I'm just not crazy about the peppery flavor. It's just not my preference. YOU ARE WRONG! PARSNIPS ARE THE BEST ROOT VEGETABLE THERE IS. I CAN'T BELIEVE ANYONE COULD BE SO FOOLISH AS TO NOT KNOW THAT.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 17:20:11 GMT
FTR I love parsnips, they make delicious soup. LOL - I don't. And before anyone starts with me: I'm just not crazy about the peppery flavor. It's just not my preference.
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Post by lisae on Jul 5, 2020 17:20:59 GMT
No, I like it here. That isn't to say that I haven't had some criticism and at least once it was really severe and uncalled for imo.
I think we are more frank than we would be in person which is fine with me. I have plenty of friends/acquaintances who will tip toe around things or walk just to the edge of a subject without saying how they really feel. Better to just know. I like the variety of opinions. I love having people who share my political leanings to discuss politics with. Even then though we are all different. There is still a wide range of views.
That said, if I were to ever leave shopping cart in the middle of a parking lot - which I don't believe I've ever done and would not do unless confronted by an active shooter - I would not confess.
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Post by peabay on Jul 5, 2020 17:21:00 GMT
LOL - I don't. And before anyone starts with me: I'm just not crazy about the peppery flavor. It's just not my preference. YOU ARE WRONG! PARSNIPS ARE THE BEST ROOT VEGETABLE THERE IS. I CAN'T BELIEVE ANYONE COULD BE SO FOOLISH AS TO NOT KNOW THAT. bully.
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Post by busy on Jul 5, 2020 17:21:39 GMT
YOU ARE WRONG! PARSNIPS ARE THE BEST ROOT VEGETABLE THERE IS. I CAN'T BELIEVE ANYONE COULD BE SO FOOLISH AS TO NOT KNOW THAT. bully. thin-skinned wrongling
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Post by Olan on Jul 5, 2020 17:22:49 GMT
If I've missed something on that thread then anyone/everyone is free to correct me. Who is the OP??? Says Deleted?? I don't condone if someone said that to her , but her first comment about parents needing to blame themselves for not advocating for better security?? WTF Did y’all know that black and brown kids are disproportionately disciplined in schools and that instead of actually thwarting a school shooting or saving lives police presence in schools just serve to harass Black youth. Another instance of racism making us all less safe.
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Post by peabay on Jul 5, 2020 17:22:49 GMT
No, I like it here. That isn't to say that I haven't had some criticism and at least once it was really severe and uncalled for imo. I think we are more frank than we would be in person which is fine with me. I have plenty of friends/acquaintances who will tip toe around things or walk just to the edge of a subject without saying how they really feel. Better to just know. I like the variety of opinions. I love having people who share my political leanings to discuss politics with. Even then though we are all different. There is still a wide range of views. That said, if I were to ever leave shopping cart in the middle of a parking lot - which I don't believe I've ever done and would not do unless confronted by an active shooter - I would not confess. I have to go to work, but I do want to say that you caught a lot of flak in a few recent threads (was one about Amy Klobuchar?) and you very calmly stated your thoughts and opinions and I remember thinking "good for her for sticking it out."
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 5, 2020 17:24:05 GMT
I think you have to be able to stand up for your positions here. If you say something, back it up. If you can't, then prepare to be poked about it. And I think people don't like that. They want to be able to have an opinion and move on without being challenged. You have some really educated and informed people here who aren't going to let people get away with just throwing something out there without being able to explain themselves. And you have to ignore the ones who are rougher around the edges. But when my father died there was 8 pages of condolences and a bunch of private messages. It was such a comfort and support to me. So, this place, if it's filled with bullies, it has bullies who do care about the other people here. Why does every opinion have to be backed up? To borrow QueenoftheSloths parsnip example, if I don’t like parsnips why do I have to explain or defend why? Why do I have to include that I have or have not tried them or that I just don’t care to try them. For me, not every opinion has to be validated or debated. Some opinions just are I don’t care for the color red, does it really matter why. I do agree that the peas can and do rally and support each other when there is a loss. I really appreciate that and it always warms my heart. I think of you when I see your dad on screen. Human nature. We have the right to opinions, but there might be consequences for voicing them. It’s the nature of a discussion board, I think. Plus the fact that it’s 2020 and people are feeling very stressed out these days. So tempers tend to be short. 🤷♀️
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 5, 2020 17:25:17 GMT
The bias here is heavily skewed towards the American system, be it socially, culturally, politically or economically. As a non-US Pea from a far more "socialist" country, I sometimes don't "get it" (fully, anyway) or am not understood. That's fine. It's part of the price you pay for being in a global sphere where you're in the definite minority. The pandemic is not a simple matter. It's mixed up in everything: science, politics, social values, etc. It has also made some people experience the minority position on such a heavy, (everyday) life-altering topic for the first time. That's led to some proverbial blood being shed on the board from what I can tell. Unfortunately, there's no easy fix for this just like there's no easy fix for the pandemic or the general state of the world that is regressing back to nationalistic, insular ways (don't @ me that your country has avoided the extreme right upswing so far - I'm talking general global trends and not specifics here ). The board, in a way, is both an exercise in learning how to deal with people's differing opinions in a shifting world and cathartic expression (which can come at the cost of the comfort and 2PR well-being of other members). It's a learning exercise in which, granted, some don't appear to learn much. But it remains fascinating and clearly a necessary stop for those who login regularly. Some prefer to walk away altogether. Some use the block function. Some delete their account and then reappear when they feel like it. Some resume lurking (or never come out of lurkdom). We're all dealing with hurt feels differently. Online boards remain an interesting place to be. This one is no exception.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 5, 2020 17:25:59 GMT
LOL - I don't. And before anyone starts with me: I'm just not crazy about the peppery flavor. It's just not my preference. YOU ARE WRONG! PARSNIPS ARE THE BEST ROOT VEGETABLE THERE IS. I CAN'T BELIEVE ANYONE COULD BE SO FOOLISH AS TO NOT KNOW THAT. 😁😁 You know what isn’t delicious? Radishes! There, I said it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 17:26:03 GMT
I think there are a lot of people who need thicker skin. That is always the response when you are trying to blame someone else. It is their fault because their skin isn't thick enough.
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Post by lisae on Jul 5, 2020 17:27:13 GMT
No, I like it here. That isn't to say that I haven't had some criticism and at least once it was really severe and uncalled for imo. I think we are more frank than we would be in person which is fine with me. I have plenty of friends/acquaintances who will tip toe around things or walk just to the edge of a subject without saying how they really feel. Better to just know. I like the variety of opinions. I love having people who share my political leanings to discuss politics with. Even then though we are all different. There is still a wide range of views. That said, if I were to ever leave shopping cart in the middle of a parking lot - which I don't believe I've ever done and would not do unless confronted by an active shooter - I would not confess. I have to go to work, but I do want to say that you caught a lot of flak in a few recent threads (was one about Amy Klobuchar?) and you very calmly stated your thoughts and opinions and I remember thinking "good for her for sticking it out." Thank you. I think it is better to make your own case and try to stay away from "You are a ..." kind of statements characterizing another person based on their opinion on one issue. Amy K was a bit of a lightening rod so probably better she dropped out though I was sorry to see her go. Eye on the prize. And you know I probably wouldn't have realized how much some people disliked her if not for those discussion so they had value even if they got heated.
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Post by kibblesandbits on Jul 5, 2020 17:27:34 GMT
No idea what thread that is.... But I will say this if DEX is saying someone said that to her, she needs to prove it and show who it was... Oh jesus, you only want her to “prove” It because you are a nosy busy body. You and your demands are ridiculous. You sure to go straight to name-calling quick. Remember the reason for the OP? How are you contributing to that?
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