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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 5, 2020 17:27:46 GMT
Here was my post from the other thread... I am sorry she left. I always enjoyed her post. I wish her and her family the best. Yup.... the feel of this board sucks lately. No one can have an opinion that goes against the grain of the majority here without getting nasty replies. I don't blame many for taking a break. I certainly do not blame anyone for taking a small break or even leaving permanently. People need to do what they can these days to make their lives tolerable. And if this board is no longer giving someone pleasure or a place to escape then it is time for them to (re)evaluate if it is a good place for them to participate in these days. It is sad to see people go, but I wish nothing but peace and happiness for the Peas who need to. This may be true, but tensions are high and sometimes tone and or comments can be misconstrued in the written word. And many times I have found that those that have this “opinion” make comments that can come across just as snarky and nasty as those that they are complaining about. 🤷♀️ I agree. A person with a different perspective and view point is not a group of mean or hatefulness. It seems that often times when a particular pea gets push back on her posts, the claim of being hateful comes out for any who have a different viewpoint, and when we don’t agree, we’re aligned with “hatefulness “. I don’t see the board as generally mean or hateful at all. I see a lot of peas pissed at the events, issues, politics that are prevalent today, and they discuss them, often very passionately from their viewpoint. It doesn’t help, since the beginning of when I can remember here in the board that one side of peas have been constantly labeled as “sheep, echo chambers, hateful” with the other side firmly thinking they are always right, and sanctimoniously so. And it still goes on, yet they get upset when their perspective or facts are presented. It used to be that peas could discuss politics passionately and eventually come back once the political cycle has waned down. Not anymore. This administration has made it their mission to disrupt our daily lives with so much ugliness and hate that it it darn near impossible to find any common ground in politics these days. And many of people being attacked by the administration are on the left side —the asshole made it crystal clear yesterday that his maga is a Judeo-Christian, White, kneel only to God, Christianity existence. He has, is, and keeps on labeling anyone who does not agree with his vision as a terrorist which includes me. So to trump, I’m a terrorist as is my hubby and children. When it comes to politics, the choice for the majority is America (lives/livelihood) or his maga agenda. You don’t get to choose which issues the potus supports AFTER they are elected. For example, voting for cheeto because he is a 2A supporter but yet you don’t believe in taking away LBGTQ rights. If you vote for him, you’ll be voting to destroy any rights they’ve fought for and gained. If you like that your 401k is climbing—but abhor the cuts to protecting children in schools, education, cuts to environmental regs, about sexual assaults on college campuses—tough, you are all in for voting against those protections. You do not get to separate them to make yourself feel better about a vote for him—so that is why so many peas are in such a state of disbelief that humans are okay with the destructive downfall of human beings. So, calling us mean and hateful knowing what is going on daily with this administration that some continue to support may require another look in the mirror by a few to see really who is siding with mean and hatefulness. |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 5, 2020 17:28:58 GMT
LOL - I don't. And before anyone starts with me: I'm just not crazy about the peppery flavor. It's just not my preference. YOU ARE WRONG! PARSNIPS ARE THE BEST ROOT VEGETABLE THERE IS. I CAN'T BELIEVE ANYONE COULD BE SO FOOLISH AS TO NOT KNOW THAT. Ugh, everyone's getting so parsnippy.  |
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Post by MizIndependent on Jul 5, 2020 17:29:16 GMT
I think you have to be able to stand up for your positions here. If you say something, back it up. If you can't, then prepare to be poked about it. And I think people don't like that. They want to be able to have an opinion and move on without being challenged. You have some really educated and informed people here who aren't going to let people get away with just throwing something out there without being able to explain themselves. And you have to ignore the ones who are rougher around the edges. But when my father died there was 8 pages of condolences and a bunch of private messages. It was such a comfort and support to me. So, this place, if it's filled with bullies, it has bullies who do care about the other people here. Do you see the problem with your wording, here? Your assertion that certain opinions are not going to be ALLOWED without an acceptable explanation? Acceptable to whom? Only the proclaimed 'educated and informed'? Who would that be? The 'shut the fuck up' Peas? I hear what you’re saying but I think she basically means that peaple should have their facts lined up to prove their points instead of posting assumptions and calling them fact. Posting opinions is a little more tricky because those are generally based on personal experience and perceptions. Other peaple will obviously have different experiences and perceptions and that can be challenging for some who aren’t used to controversial discourse. It is so, so valuable though because it shows us where different peaple are coming from. If we can really listen to each other we can learn from each other. That has proven to be the biggest value of this board in my life. The “shut the fuck up” peas simply do not want to be challenged and that’s too bad. Hearing opposing points of view helps greater understanding. Shutting someone down...well, it might feel good but it doesn’t help anything and further divides. |
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Post by mom26 on Jul 5, 2020 17:30:34 GMT
Ah, biases. Everyone has those. However, it seems only opinions that lean to one side rather than another need to be 'examined' and examined publicly. And then subsequently and thoroughly shredded by the 'educated and informed' who really DON'T want to hear why one feels differently than they do. Yah. No, thanks. Ok, fine. Over the years, I've learned a lot about myself and my own biases (some of which I absolutely didn't think I had) by explaining my beliefs to others. Self-examination is a net benefit, I think, even when it's difficult. Difficult isn't the issue. I'm okay with difficult. What I do not welcome is being demanded to explain my beliefs when no answer/explanation is ever going to be acceptable or even really 'heard'. I either have to change my belief or opinion immediately to mirror *theirs* or hit the road with my -ist self. Again, no thanks. And with this, I must bow out. I have a shed to tear down and it's only getting hotter outside. I hope this thread you started does some good, lainey . |
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Post by wezee on Jul 5, 2020 17:35:06 GMT
The word bad is subjective. Honestly, "bad" no, intolerant sometimes. The main issue is that reading a post and hearing a post are two different things. Tone and inflection are not portrayed. Yes, there a lot of posts I won't even open let alone comment on. In the past you could post your opinion and have a respectable discussion. Now not so much.
Out of curiously has there been a positive Trump post in politics? I can't recall one that didn't end with "heated" discussion. Some Peas are very excitable and passionate about politics to the point where they are very "bold" with anyone that has an opposite opinion. This board is definitely liberal. Can you imagine the chaos if there were just as many posts pro conservative posts in politics? Can you imagine the the hell that would break loose if there were just as many pro Trump posts?
What about posts that are pro police? Can we have a civil discussion? Just ask Leowife.
What makes Peas so passionate to the point of bullying? Why now?
To quote an old Rod Stewart song "Some many people talking with so many not listening ...so I just walk away."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 17:35:19 GMT
You know what isn’t delicious? Radishes! There, I said it. Radishes are the devils vegetable. |
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Post by femalebusiness on Jul 5, 2020 17:35:26 GMT
I think there are a lot of people who need thicker skin. That is always the response when you are trying to blame someone else. It is their fault because their skin isn't thick enough. Oh, I see my comment about those spineless peas who flounce and then sneak back under a new screen name hit home. |
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Post by wezee on Jul 5, 2020 17:36:12 GMT
I will echo Jeremysgirl. I have backed away a lot from 2peas for a variety of reasons. The super anxiety of others makes me more anxious. The damnit I am right threads and if anyone disagrees there is backlash and it isn't pretty. The ganging up on someone who has a different, but very valid, opinion/thought. The political nasty tones. The constant hashing out of masks, no masks. Calling out others for living life. So many here have become so...gosh what's the word... It's only about what they think is right, it is only about what they think we should all be doing and if anyone dares do the opposite that person is the devil and is picked apart. Like wtf. I too also feel like the odd one out. My situation is different than many and I fear speaking out because people will attack me and who wants to deal with that? I have never ever dealt with that IRL with my friends. So I get on, find a few posts, and leave. This isn't a happy place anymore. THAT |
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Post by pierkiss on Jul 5, 2020 17:37:23 GMT
“Thin skinned wrongling” is going straight into my everyday use. Just like “elements of medical” for when we are talking about bandaids in this house. 🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by padresfan619 on Jul 5, 2020 17:38:04 GMT
This place is sunshine and rainbows compared to a lot of other places in the Internet. There are a couple of posters I ignore because they are like a dog with a bone when they post - can’t let it go or see the other persons opinion, they just latch onto one phrase or sentence from the other person and beat them down with it. It is exhausting to even read, I can’t imagine having to respond to it.
I came to the old board late but knew about it from my mom, she told me many stories about the nasty things posters would do and say from the old board before I got into scrapbooking and joined for myself.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jul 5, 2020 17:39:22 GMT
haven't read the thread, only commenting on the op I think it depends on how thick of a skin you have and how raw your emotions are on a given topic. I do feel if you stray from the current liberal ideology and ideals in anyway, there are posters who are ready to pounce and then there are people who will jump in Sometimes I think the peas are just paying lips service and trying to be woke. People think THEY are right and that THEY have the answers and sometimes forget that others have opinions too. And I think this board has people who feel others should just flip a switch and be on the same page. Sometimes it takes a while the absorb and change and when you have people constantly berating you, often people dig in their heels and refuse to change. I think the right fighters and the ones who think it should be 100% this way do their causes more harm than good and think that shows here My dil thinks this board is a bunch of woke Karens  I agree that everyone will not be on the same page at the same time. And that some people do much more harm than good to their causes. |
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Post by pinklady on Jul 5, 2020 17:39:23 GMT
Oh jesus, you only want her to “prove” It because you are a nosy busy body. You and your demands are ridiculous. You sure to go straight to name-calling quick. Remember the reason for the OP? How are you contributing to that? She’s a gossipy pea who only wanted the name to go review the persons posts to get her gossip fix. It’s her MO. I’m tired of the few “holier than thou” peas who need a good look in the mirror. And before you respond, I know exactly who I am. |
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Post by pierkiss on Jul 5, 2020 17:40:51 GMT
Who is the OP??? Says Deleted?? I don't condone if someone said that to her , but her first comment about parents needing to blame themselves for not advocating for better security?? WTF Did y’all know that black and brown kids are disproportionately disciplined in schools and that instead of actually thwarting a school shooting or saving lives police presence in schools just serve to harass Black youth. Another instance of racism making us all less safe. Is this also true in schools that are predominantly black? I used to work at a predominantly black elementary school (I think there were 10 white and Hispanic kids tops at that school). I did not find this to be true at my particular school. Our SRO was there to make sure there weren’t weapons, and to investigate abuse allegations and to break up fights. I have always wondered about this. Just curious. |
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Post by busy on Jul 5, 2020 17:44:28 GMT
Did y’all know that black and brown kids are disproportionately disciplined in schools and that instead of actually thwarting a school shooting or saving lives police presence in schools just serve to harass Black youth. Another instance of racism making us all less safe. Is this also true in schools that are predominantly black? I used to work at a predominantly black elementary school (I think there were 10 white and Hispanic kids tops at that school). I did not find this to be true at my particular school. Our SRO was there to make sure there weren’t weapons, and to investigate abuse allegations and to break up fights. I have always wondered about this. Just curious. There are always exceptions but by and large, it holds true regardless of the school’s demographics. |
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Post by monklady123 on Jul 5, 2020 17:44:36 GMT
You know what isn’t delicious? Radishes! There, I said it. Radishes are the devils vegetable. But, you can cook radishes in things like stew and they become almost like little potatoes. |
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Post by wezee on Jul 5, 2020 17:44:59 GMT
I know the solution. I have suggested it to the mod but went ignored. There should be a separate board for POLITICAL. Often even the titles rile me up. Janet I asked for that from the get go. Honestly, it think that time has come to a make it it's own section. Putting the red politics label shows it would have enough traffic to warrant it. |
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Post by Merge on Jul 5, 2020 17:45:38 GMT
I think you have to be able to stand up for your positions here. If you say something, back it up. If you can't, then prepare to be poked about it. And I think people don't like that. They want to be able to have an opinion and move on without being challenged. You have some really educated and informed people here who aren't going to let people get away with just throwing something out there without being able to explain themselves. And you have to ignore the ones who are rougher around the edges. But when my father died there was 8 pages of condolences and a bunch of private messages. It was such a comfort and support to me. So, this place, if it's filled with bullies, it has bullies who do care about the other people here. Why does every opinion have to be backed up? To borrow QueenoftheSloths parsnip example, if I don’t like parsnips why do I have to explain or defend why? Why do I have to include that I have or have not tried them or that I just don’t care to try them. For me, not every opinion has to be validated or debated. Some opinions just are I don’t care for the color red, does it really matter why. I do agree that the peas can and do rally and support each other when there is a loss. I really appreciate that and it always warms my heart. I think of you when I see your dad on screen. I think it’s a little disingenuous to act like people are asking for sources and data on harmless opinions like vegetable preference. Generally speaking, that isn’t true. But someone who says, for example, that wearing a mask causes hypoxia, or that [insert name of politician here] has done a fantastic job with their COVID response - I don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask for some sources and fact-based examples there. As to who decides which opinions need validation and which don’t, that’s really up to anyone reading and responding, I guess. If someone says they feel like your source is suspect, it’s perfectly ok for you to say I don’t think so and here’s why. Questioning is not bullying. Asking for source data and facts is not bullying. Continuing to disagree with you is not bullying. I agree with whoever said above that if you’re looking for a safe happy place where you can say whatever and people will validate you, keep a tight circle on FB or Instagram. I’ve culled down my friends list on FB significantly so that it can be my happy place. Old friends, family, doesn’t matter - if you raise my blood pressure you get unfollowed so I don’t see what you post. If you keep engaging on my threads in way that raises my blood pressure, you get blocked. Voila. Instant happy place. This isn’t directed at you or at any person in particular, but I think it’s unreasonable to expect a huge, diverse board of women from all over the world to be the super happy fun land that suits you personally. If this board, for example, was nothing but fluff, game, and “pray for me” threads, I wouldn’t be interested in it. If it was overtly Jesus-y, I’d actively avoid it. I stick with the threads that I find interesting, and leave the rest. I take a break when I need to. I value the diversity of opinions here even when I vehemently disagree with them. |
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Post by Merge on Jul 5, 2020 17:51:58 GMT
I know the solution. I have suggested it to the mod but went ignored. There should be a separate board for POLITICAL. Often even the titles rile me up. Janet I asked for that from the get go. Honestly, it think that time has come to a make it it's own section. Putting the red politics label shows it would have enough traffic to warrant it. I think the reason this has not been done is because threads that don’t start out political sometimes become political. What then? There’s no mechanism for us to move them to other board. Also, the political peas have as much right to be here as anyone else. I find religious threads and game threads super annoying, but I’m not demanding they have a separate board. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 17:52:46 GMT
Radishes are the devils vegetable. But, you can cook radishes in things like stew and they become almost like little potatoes. I never knew you could cook them. My dad used to eat them raw in handfuls  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 17:53:49 GMT
I asked for that from the get go. Honestly, it think that time has come to a make it it's own section. Putting the red politics label shows it would have enough traffic to warrant it. I think the reason this has not been done is because threads that don’t start out political sometimes become political. What then? There’s no mechanism for us to move them to other board. Also, the political peas have as much right to be here as anyone else. I find religious threads and game threads super annoying, but I’m not demanding they have a separate board. So you are okay with making a large number of people uncomfortable and anxious by the number and content and even titles of the political threads. Just because you can't be bothered to put them all in one place where those that are interested can have at it as much as they want? |
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Post by pinklady on Jul 5, 2020 18:00:39 GMT
I think the reason this has not been done is because threads that don’t start out political sometimes become political. What then? There’s no mechanism for us to move them to other board. Also, the political peas have as much right to be here as anyone else. I find religious threads and game threads super annoying, but I’m not demanding they have a separate board. So you are okay with making a large number of people uncomfortable and anxious by the number and content and even titles of the political threads. Just because you can't be bothered to put them all in one place where those that are interested can have at it as much as they want? yes |
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Post by gramasue on Jul 5, 2020 18:01:20 GMT
It's funny that this should be the first thread to pop up when I logged on today, because I have lately found myself not going on as much as I used to. I've been reading most of the posts on this thread and feel like I agree with quite a few of them - those that feel like the board doesn't really feel like the safe place it is meant to be, but at the same time, is not all negativity and bullying, either. I love the different stories and interesting points of view I see on here, but often find myself wondering, when reading a thread that is beginning to turn sour, "Now, why did she have to say that?" There are too many instances of someone posting a snarky remark, just for the sake of snarkiness. [is that a word?] When that happens, that's usually when I leave.
We need more kindness, more humour, more understanding, more grace, more tolerance.
But then, so does the rest of the world.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 18:02:54 GMT
OMG someone posted that to her??? No. People were harsh to her on the Sandy Hook thread but no one said she was a 'waste of human life'. I've read the thread through twice and I just can't see it, if I'm wrong and it's there I apologise.
I'm also not convinced that thread is why she left.
I'm quoting myself but I need to apologise for this. I wasn't trying to prove anyone wrong or call anyone out or anything ill intentioned.I do think things have a tendency to quickly become canon here and we should be careful about what we add to that.
I guess I just don't want to see on 'what happened to' threads that this is repeated over and over if it isn't true. If it is true I hope the person who wrote it is ashamed and never shows their face again.
Thank you for keeping this thread civil and fairly on track, I hope I'm not the one who derails it by my thoughtlessness.
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Post by georgie on Jul 5, 2020 18:05:29 GMT
I don’t think so. Like in my real life, I know the cast of characters. Everyone is different and has different personalities and posting styles...and different lives and problems. Unlike real life, I can ignore peas, pass by threads, or log off if I feel overwhelmed or upset by what I am reading or by how people are “acting”. I am not a well known pea or prolific pea 😉 but I stick around because Peas teach me, make me laugh, make me sad and cry, give me links to things that I love and would have never seen, and show me I am normal and I am weird. They amaze me and make me shake my head. Everything that a family and community does. Do I agree with everyone and everything...not by a long shot. But my unknown self still loves coming here to pass the time in good and bad. So this is more of a thanks. I agree 100%. I would be lost without this board. I learn so much here. |
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Post by lizacreates on Jul 5, 2020 18:09:20 GMT
I asked for that from the get go. Honestly, it think that time has come to a make it it's own section. Putting the red politics label shows it would have enough traffic to warrant it. I think the reason this has not been done is because threads that don’t start out political sometimes become political. What then? There’s no mechanism for us to move them to other board. Also, the political peas have as much right to be here as anyone else. I find religious threads and game threads super annoying, but I’m not demanding they have a separate board. I hear you, but that scenario isn’t the norm, is it? Why would you think our rights as political peas would be diminished if we had our own board? What’s the difference between posting under sub-board NSBR or sub-board Politics? I just think we have to acknowledge the fact that for some/many, it’s not just an issue of being annoyed. It’s actually triggering very unpleasant emotions. Since we’re all members here, I think there’s room for compromise. |
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Post by Merge on Jul 5, 2020 18:09:31 GMT
So you are okay with making a large number of people uncomfortable and anxious by the number and content and even titles of the political threads. Just because you can't be bothered to put them all in one place where those that are interested can have at it as much as they want? yes What is your opinion on the first part of what I said? Also, yes. No one has a right to be made comfortable by censoring others on a public message board. |
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Post by Merge on Jul 5, 2020 18:12:55 GMT
I think the reason this has not been done is because threads that don’t start out political sometimes become political. What then? There’s no mechanism for us to move them to other board. Also, the political peas have as much right to be here as anyone else. I find religious threads and game threads super annoying, but I’m not demanding they have a separate board. I hear you, but that scenario isn’t the norm, is it? Why would you think our rights as political peas would be diminished if we had our own board? What’s the difference between posting under sub-board NSBR or sub-board Politics? I just think we have to acknowledge the fact that for some/many, it’s not just an issue of being annoyed. It’s actually triggering very unpleasant emotions. Since we’re all members here, I think there’s room for compromise. I think the first paragraph of my response is the bigger issue. What do we do with threads that didn’t start out political, but became that way later? Who decides what is political and what is not? We’ve had people here label threads as political for ridiculous reasons. IDK. Lots of things are triggering for me. I have yet to get the world to accommodate me by removing everything from my view that might be upsetting. I have coping strategies and medication and sometimes I just take a break. My responses to triggers are my own responsibility. (Otherwise, I’m going to need to request that we have a separate board for any mention of religion, dysfunctional families, drunk driving, guns, and the supposed superiority of homeschooling. These things are upsetting to me.) |
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Post by inkedup on Jul 5, 2020 18:17:23 GMT
For a while, my anger and really, my fear, became my overriding emotion. I have taken steps back from social media in general because I constantly felt on edge and angry. I am sure many of you consider me a "pitchfork pea".
I have made an effort to temper the tone of my posts here.
I will say, though, that there are an awful lot of people with dirty hands that complain about this place being dirty. A pea with whom I have long standing disagreements has spent the last few years harassing me and others. She doxxed a member here. The story she tells is that I challenged her mental wellness, as if that happened in a vacuum.
So yes. Some of us have been and can still be nasty at times. I'm trying to keep my interaction here positive and supportive.
But this thread and a few others have been filled with a lot of passive aggressive attempts at call outs and I'm not going to lie, it's getting old. Because really, what's not being said is that a bunch of you think it's a group of *liberal* peas that are bringing this place down.
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Post by muggins on Jul 5, 2020 18:19:50 GMT
Instant Pot Parsnip and Apple Soup
Ingredients
2 tablespoons olive oil
1 1/2 pounds parsnips, peeled and chopped into 1-inch pieces
1 Granny Smith apple - peeled, cored, and chopped
1 onion, chopped
3 cloves garlic
1 1/2 teaspoons salt
1 1/2 teaspoons herbes de Provence
4 cups vegetable stock
Directions
Heat olive oil in inner steel pot of pressure cooker set to Sauté on Normal. Sauté parsnips, apple, onion, and garlic until tender and browned, 5 to 6 minutes. Add salt and herbes de Provence, then pour in the vegetable stock. Press Cancel.
Lock pressure cooker lid in place and set steam vent to Sealing. Select Pressure Cook (Manual) and cook for 10 minutes on High Pressure. Set steam vent handle to Venting to quick-release pressure.
Blend soup in the pressure cooker using an immersion blender until creamy and smooth. Add half-and-half and blend until well combined, about 10 seconds. Season soup with salt and black pepper.
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Post by pinklady on Jul 5, 2020 18:20:44 GMT
What is your opinion on the first part of what I said? Also, yes. No one has a right to be made comfortable by censoring others on a public message board. I agree with everything you said in your post. |
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I am sorry she left. I always enjoyed her post. I wish her and her family the best.
Yup....the feel of this board sucks lately. No one can have an opinion that goes against the grain of the majority here without getting nasty replies. I don't blame many for taking a break. I certainly do not blame anyone for taking a small break or even leaving permanently. People need to do what they can these days to make their lives tolerable. And if this board is no longer giving someone pleasure or a place to escape then it is time for them to (re)evaluate if it is a good place for them to participate in these days. It is sad to see people go, but I wish nothing but peace and happiness for the Peas who need to.
