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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 29, 2020 15:50:09 GMT
One Post Wonders coming in to tell us we're victim-bashing. Ah yes, just another day on 2PR.  Tim Holtz + affiliated manufacturers (lest we forget!) have had very unprofessional reactions to this drama. They are big names in the industry, they should've stepped back, called in crisis PR management and let them handle it. It was absolutely worth the cost. I refer clients to crisis PR management myself and our portfolio is made up of mostly smaller brands than TH's. This is business as usual. Crises happen. You let professionals deal with them or you consult them on how to do it yourself if you're on a tight budget (which brands like TH's aren't). This was not a loss-loss situation for both parties. There were effective, simple ways to react (or not react) and act that would've looked far better for the defending party. It was amateur hour and apparently still is. The TH brand will survive this just fine but as a professional, I'm shocked at how incompetently the situation was handled. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 15:53:18 GMT
One Post Wonders coming in to tell us we're victim-bashing. Ah yes, just another day on 2PR.  Tim Holtz + affiliated manufacturers (lest we forget!) have had very unprofessional reactions to this drama. They are big names in the industry, they should've stepped back, called in crisis PR management and let them handle it. It was absolutely worth the cost. I refer clients to crisis PR management myself and our portfolio is made up of mostly smaller brands than TH's. This is business as usual. Crises happen. You let professionals deal with them or you consult them on how to do it yourself if you're on a tight budget (which brands like TH's aren't). This was not a loss-loss situation for both parties. There were effective, simple ways to react (or not react) and act that would've looked far better for the defending party. It was amateur hour and apparently still is. The TH brand will survive this just fine but as a professional, I'm shocked at how incompetently the situation was handled. Wonderfully stated. |
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Post by hutchfan on Jul 29, 2020 16:02:49 GMT
The thing is when this all started I agree it should have been handled differently by Tim's team.
But immediately people judged him and when it first started he wasn't responding and people were calling him out for it and said by him not addressing it head on he was obviously quilty. He was hiding something.
So when he does address yet he still gets bashed for it.
He won't win not matter what.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 16:17:10 GMT
The thing is when this all started I agree it should have been handled differently by Tim's team. But immediately people judged him and when it first started he wasn't responding and people were calling him out for it and said by him not addressing it head on he was obviously quilty. He was hiding something. So when he does address yet he still gets bashed for it. He won't win not matter what. He will win if he starts acting professionally and STOPS acting in a passive-aggressive mean-boy way. |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 29, 2020 16:23:57 GMT
So when he does address yet he still gets bashed for it. He didn't address it. He posted a shitquote and linked Lara's apology video which was clearly part of the deal to avoid legal matters on her side. Addressing it beyond communication would also be dealing with the people blocked on social media but ho hey, it's "time to forget the mistake." No clue what lesson he'll remember from this because I've not seen anything that was learnt by his camp. Still very unprofessional. I'd be embarrassed to be associated with how this was and is handled. There is definitely ample room to criticise this without "bashing" him. It was not good businessing, period. |
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Post by hutchfan on Jul 29, 2020 16:45:00 GMT
Well we can agree to disagree.
Tim by far was the most professional acting person in this situation.
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Post by pancakes on Jul 29, 2020 16:49:17 GMT
So when he does address yet he still gets bashed for it. He didn't address it. He posted a shitquote and linked Lara's apology video which was clearly part of the deal to avoid legal matters on her side. Addressing it beyond communication would also be dealing with the people blocked on social media but ho hey, it's "time to forget the mistake." No clue what lesson he'll remember from this because I've not seen anything that was learnt by his camp. Still very unprofessional. I'd be embarrassed to be associated with how this was and is handled. There is definitely ample room to criticise this without "bashing" him. It was not good businessing, period. Agree. In the beginning he could have just said, “We take this very seriously. We are looking into it.” And no one would say he was hiding something by not responding. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 16:53:11 GMT
Well we can agree to disagree. Tim by far was the most professional acting person in this situation. For sure. But rather like being the least dirty item in a pile of dirty laundry. |
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Post by hutchfan on Jul 29, 2020 17:07:55 GMT
Well we can agree to disagree. Tim by far was the most professional acting person in this situation. For sure. But rather like being the least dirty item in a pile of dirty laundry. It wasn't his dirty laundry to begin with he just got thrown into the pile and has had to live with her dirty pile since. |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 29, 2020 17:11:02 GMT
For sure. But rather like being the least dirty item in a pile of dirty laundry. It wasn't his dirty laundry to begin with he just got thrown into the pile and has had to live with her dirty pile since. We're criticising the way it was handled, the method. He dirtied the laundry himself in that regard. That was all on Tim and his team or are we now saying the accusing party infiltrated his social media and took over? |
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Post by megscraps on Jul 29, 2020 17:12:29 GMT
Can someone give me the details or direct me to the details of the fight between One Ink Road and Christy Tomlinson? Someone also said the Reset Girl was involved. Where can I read about all of this? I follow CT on Instagram and I will never understand how she runs such a successful business. She stories all day every day on multiple accounts. She definitely overshares. she also has a lot of medical issues that keep her in bed. I also see she definitely has an addictive personality. She's into something one week and will buy $$$$ of something (purses, shoes, nail polish, headbands, boots), whatever she's into at the time she will literally buy hundreds of them. Then the next week it's something else. I actually don't dislike her but I do wonder how she runs such a successful company. I know her husband does a lot. I do have a less than favorable opinion about The Reset Girl so I would love to hear what went down with all of that.
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Post by hutchfan on Jul 29, 2020 17:18:56 GMT
It wasn't his dirty laundry to begin with he just got thrown into the pile and has had to live with her dirty pile since. We're criticising the way it was handled, the method. He dirtied the laundry himself in that regard. That was all on Tim and his team or are we now saying the accusing party infiltrated his social media and took over? And Tim should not have had to deal with any of this to begin with. He has been criticized in every single aspect. Nobody was happy with him not saying anything. When he did try to defend himself that was criticized too for how he handled it. He was professional, not professional and so on. It is obvious no matter what he does and who defends him are wrong in how they are doing it. |
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Post by QueSeraSera on Jul 29, 2020 17:26:34 GMT
We're criticising the way it was handled, the method. He dirtied the laundry himself in that regard. That was all on Tim and his team or are we now saying the accusing party infiltrated his social media and took over? And Tim should not have had to deal with any of this to begin with. He has been criticized in every single aspect. Nobody was happy with him not saying anything. When he did try to defend himself that was criticized too for how he handled it. He was professional, not professional and so on. It is obvious no matter what he does and who defends him are wrong in how they are doing it. Agree that he shouldn’t have to deal with this, but he does have to. His method of responding is his own responsibility. He made a bad call and chose as a business owner to post something a lot of us found unprofessional. We’re criticizing a business owners public response to an unfortunate situation. Why is everyone making this so personal?! He is a business. You lose the luxury to react emotionally and be petty even if you feel “justified” if you want to be taken seriously as a BUSINESS. Peace out ✌️ |
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Post by hutchfan on Jul 29, 2020 17:31:31 GMT
And Tim should not have had to deal with any of this to begin with. He has been criticized in every single aspect. Nobody was happy with him not saying anything. When he did try to defend himself that was criticized too for how he handled it. He was professional, not professional and so on. It is obvious no matter what he does and who defends him are wrong in how they are doing it. Agree that he shouldn’t have to deal with this, but he does have to. His method of responding is his own responsibility. He made a bad call and chose as a business owner to post something a lot of us found unprofessional. We’re criticizing a business owners public response to an unfortunate situation. Why is everyone making this so personal?! He is a business. You lose the luxury to react emotionally and be petty even if you feel “justified” if you want to be taken seriously as a BUSINESS. Peace out ✌️ Again we can agree to disagree! Peace out✌! |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 29, 2020 17:35:44 GMT
We're criticising the way it was handled, the method. He dirtied the laundry himself in that regard. That was all on Tim and his team or are we now saying the accusing party infiltrated his social media and took over? And Tim should not have had to deal with any of this to begin with. He has been criticized in every single aspect. Nobody was happy with him not saying anything. When he did try to defend himself that was criticized too for how he handled it. He was professional, not professional and so on. It is obvious no matter what he does and who defends him are wrong in how they are doing it. It doesn't matter whether he should or shouldn't have to deal with a crisis. Crises just happen as I stated before. To use the dirty laundry metaphor stated earlier: there are two dirty piles of laundry. You're focused on the Lara one. *Some* other people in here are focused on the Tim one. It's fine if you're not interested in the dissonance between a brand's importance and lack of professionalism in dealing with an unexpected situation but that doesn't invalidate the other conversation happening. You can't mingle both to come to one singular conclusion. It's fine for people to also discuss the other matter. |
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Post by hutchfan on Jul 29, 2020 17:43:46 GMT
And Tim should not have had to deal with any of this to begin with. He has been criticized in every single aspect. Nobody was happy with him not saying anything. When he did try to defend himself that was criticized too for how he handled it. He was professional, not professional and so on. It is obvious no matter what he does and who defends him are wrong in how they are doing it. It doesn't matter whether he should or shouldn't have to deal with a crisis. Crises just happen as I stated before. To use the dirty laundry metaphor stated earlier: there are two dirty piles of laundry. You're focused on the Lara one. *Some* other people in here are focused on the Tim one. It's fine if you're not interested in the dissonance between a brand's importance and lack of professionalism in dealing with an unexpected situation but that doesn't invalidate the other conversation happening. You can't mingle both to come to one singular conclusion. It's fine for people to also discuss the other matter. Yes everyone is entitled to their opinion on this situation. But as I have said it could have been handled better by his team. I will continue to point out that it is clear no matter what he does it won't be good enough, it won't be right, he will still be held at fault. |
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Post by pancakes on Jul 29, 2020 17:44:47 GMT
We're criticising the way it was handled, the method. He dirtied the laundry himself in that regard. That was all on Tim and his team or are we now saying the accusing party infiltrated his social media and took over? And Tim should not have had to deal with any of this to begin with. He has been criticized in every single aspect. Nobody was happy with him not saying anything. When he did try to defend himself that was criticized too for how he handled it. He was professional, not professional and so on. It is obvious no matter what he does and who defends him are wrong in how they are doing it. Of course he shouldn’t have had to deal with it. But every business will face a crisis, whether or not they want to or not. And whether or not they actually did anything or not. As we mentioned before, it’s not about saying something or not. It’s about saying the right thing and handling the situation in the way ALL businesses should. It’s not personal at all. We’d be saying the same thing if it were anyone else. Apple. Nike. Heidi Swapp. American Crafts. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 29, 2020 17:48:28 GMT
I think the IG post that says “the truth will not cost...” is pretty unclassy and unprofessional. Clearly Lara was stirring up shit and lying but everyone knows now. Putting those words up on IG really makes me think he and/or Mario really did say some of those things and reacted poorly. The IG post is very emotion based. A simple “The allegations are untrue. Our legal team is handling this situation.” would have signaled to the scrap community that Lara was out of her mind and Tim’s group were professionals at all times. That's what I would look for in a professional response. Something's hinky about the whole thing and I remain unconvinced to trust either party for now. And the clique-y passive-agressive thing w/Tim, Jennifer, and the SSS crowd is a little "mean girl" for people who are constantly admonishing others to "be kind". There have been many times on the boards when peas have been unkind and/or untruthful about me. I say my peace and correct errors, then I just:  But they WERE kind. They didn’t lash back attacking Lara, they stood in support for Tim/Mario/Zoe. These “cliquey” people you speak of are friends, IRL. They all said positive things, never mentioned how awful and what a liar Lara was, not mentioned her by name. |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 29, 2020 17:51:21 GMT
I will continue to point out that it is clear no matter what he does it won't be good enough, it won't be right, he will still be held at fault. There were many moments in the past few weeks where he could have acted more than good enough. He simply didn't. We've even posted examples of how things could've been worded and what could've been said (and would've been by crisis management professionals). To insist on continuing to point he can't be anything but a victim is unfair to those having a rational discussion about the crisis management in this thread. There's no black sheep persecution happening in here. Just a mere continued surprise at the actual lack of professionalism on display. And to make it extra clear: I was absolutely not expecting this lack of professionalism from TH. Not one bit. It is out of character with the size of his brand and what I've come to expect from his brand (I own quite a few TH-branded things). |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 29, 2020 17:52:02 GMT
“Supposedly not made?” She lied. She made it up. She said that SSS pulled her products because Tim/Mario...which never happened. I guess with the responses here today, people are going to find fault or think shady stuff even when the evidence clearly shows otherwise. The image quote doesn’t come off dramatic. It’s clear that he is stating truth prevailed. How would you like to have thousands of people pile on you and your business calling you a racist, based completely on lies, attacking you, your friends, and calling for your partners (Ranger, stampers anonymous, tonic to drop you). Could you be non-emotional reacting about it? Well, all the more reason for him not to Post a passive aggressive graphic with an implied threat. Like I said I had let it go and chalked it all up to Lara being crazy until that post. No I probably wouldn’t be unemotional, but I would make every effort to not post a graphic that passive aggressively echoes the threat my business was accused of making. If I were as big a business as him I’d have my PR people chime in before I posted. Clearly you feel like being overly dramatic about my post. 🙄 No, not clearly—I am I not being overly dramatic over your post, I’m showing you that you’re the one overly dramatic by reading more into what is there and implying things that are not. His IG post wasn’t a threat and it’s ridiculous to say it is. |
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Post by hutchfan on Jul 29, 2020 17:53:47 GMT
As far as I am concerned Tim does not have to apologize or answer to anything.
I will continue to support him and his business.
I wish nothing but peace and kindness to all.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 29, 2020 17:59:30 GMT
So when he does address yet he still gets bashed for it. He didn't address it. He posted a shitquote and linked Lara's apology video which was clearly part of the deal to avoid legal matters on her side. Addressing it beyond communication would also be dealing with the people blocked on social media but ho hey, it's "time to forget the mistake." No clue what lesson he'll remember from this because I've not seen anything that was learnt by his camp. Still very unprofessional. I'd be embarrassed to be associated with how this was and is handled. There is definitely ample room to criticise this without "bashing" him. It was not good businessing, period. He did address it. Just because it’s not the way you wanted to see it doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened. You all want details—the ugly he said/she said details. And it’s likely that no more info is forthcoming. You seem to assume a lot. Like you are 100% certain you know what’s going on, who did what. Do you know for a fact that he sued her or pushed legal channels? Do you know for a fact that he didn’t have advice on what to or not to post? If you do, then post it, if not, then all you’re doing is assuming. What exactly does “his camp” have to learn in this situation? Another crafter tried cutting him off by the knees with nothing but lie after lie after lie. He came right out and stated it wasn’t true. So what should be his lesson? |
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jul 29, 2020 18:04:53 GMT
From where I sit, Lara is a nut job and Tim was less than professional. This seems to be pretty SOP in this industry. Lara’s lying and attempts to cancel Tim’s career and livelihood in this current hypersensitive world are not even slightly equivalent to Tim’s snarky unprofessional blocking and quoting. Ink Road was never on my radar for purchasing, still isn’t. Tim’s behavior does not keep me from purchasing his creations from various manufacturers.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 29, 2020 18:12:54 GMT
You all want details—the ugly he said/she said details. You're the one making assumptions. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 18:32:41 GMT
To those that think they would have handled this better or “professionally “, how do you know how you would have responded?
You don’t.
None of us know what the circumstances were that led Tim/team to respond the way they did. The reality is, faced with the same set circumstances, all of us could have made exactly the same choices Tim/team did from blocking people to his written responses.
Its really easy to say what you would do after the fact without all the facts.
I’m seeing some on this thread that don’t like Tim and have the attitude “that no matter what he says or does I will find fault with it.” It seems to me it would be easier to just say “I don’t like the guy” instead of reaching for pithy remarks about him, but whatever floats your boat.
I like Tim. But I do find him annoying when he starts to mix colors in one of his Facebook Live demos that I’m sure I won’t like but end up doing so and wondering how does he do that.
I think both of his written responses that he has posted are fine. They are measured. But I’m not sure why some think they should have mentioned any legal action Tim might be considering. Quite frankly it’s none of our business. What if anything that goes on between Tim and Lara now is between them. As it should be.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 29, 2020 19:19:03 GMT
Well we can agree to disagree. Tim by far was the most professional acting person in this situation. Well that’s true. But it’s relative. 😀 If comparing to her that bar isn’t set very high is it? 😂 |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 29, 2020 19:37:22 GMT
To those that think they would have handled this better or “professionally “, how do you know how you would have responded? You don’t. Work in branding, particularly the social media sphere. Worked in PR. Refer clients to crisis management and I've mentioned it before in this very discussion. But you're right, I don't know. Gotta love the holier-than-thou attitude in here. I'm out. The fangirls can claim this as their appointed stoop. I can sit elsewhere.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 20:12:42 GMT
To those that think they would have handled this better or “professionally “, how do you know how you would have responded? You don’t. Work in branding, particularly the social media sphere. Worked in PR. Refer clients to crisis management and I've mentioned it before in this very discussion. But you're right, I don't know. Gotta love the holier-than-thou attitude in here. I'm out. The fangirls can claim this as their appointed stoop. I can sit elsewhere. Post all you want. Your opinion is as welcome as anyone else's. I love how people get all hand-slappy and opinionated about other peas posting their OPINIONS. Shades of Tracie Claiborne methinks. |
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Post by QueSeraSera on Jul 29, 2020 20:19:03 GMT
Work in branding, particularly the social media sphere. Worked in PR. Refer clients to crisis management and I've mentioned it before in this very discussion. But you're right, I don't know. Gotta love the holier-than-thou attitude in here. I'm out. The fangirls can claim this as their appointed stoop. I can sit elsewhere. Post all you want. Your opinion is as welcome as anyone else's. I love how people get all hand-slappy and opinionated about other peas posting their OPINIONS. Shades of Tracie Claiborne methinks. You rang? |
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Post by pancakes on Jul 29, 2020 20:28:52 GMT
To those that think they would have handled this better or “professionally “, how do you know how you would have responded? You don’t. Work in branding, particularly the social media sphere. Worked in PR. Refer clients to crisis management and I've mentioned it before in this very discussion. But you're right, I don't know. Gotta love the holier-than-thou attitude in here. I'm out. The fangirls can claim this as their appointed stoop. I can sit elsewhere. Same here. I currently lead marketing for a company and have also done so in the past — it’s not my first rodeo. I absolutely know I would’ve handled this differently. We are literally not attacking his character. In fact, everyone agrees here that Lara was lying. How I, as a person, would feel about someone attacking me or my business is irrelevant. You can be angry and frustrated — I would be, too. But as a business owner, you have to divorce your personal emotions from making good business decisions. And they let their emotions get the better of them. |
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