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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 15:45:20 GMT
"After Mitt Romney lost the 2012 presidential race, the Republican National Committee chairman, Reince Priebus, commissioned an internal party study to examine why the party had won the popular vote only once since 1998. The results of that so-called autopsy were fairly obvious: The party needed to appeal to more people of color, reach out to younger voters, become more welcoming to women. Those conclusions were presented as not only a political necessity but also a moral mandate if the Republican Party were to be a governing party in a rapidly changing America. Then Donald Trump emerged and the party threw all those conclusions out the window with an almost audible sigh of relief: Thank God we can win without pretending we really care about this stuff. That reaction was sadly predictable. I spent decades working to elect Republicans, including Mr. Romney and four other presidential candidates, and I am here to bear reluctant witness that Mr. Trump didn’t hijack the Republican Party. He is the logical conclusion of what the party became over the past 50 or so years, a natural product of the seeds of race-baiting, self-deception and anger that now dominate it. Hold Donald Trump up to a mirror and that bulging, scowling orange face is today’s Republican Party." www.nytimes.com/2020/07/29/opinion/trump-republican-party-racism.htmlI've been saying this forever. Trump is the natural outcome of Newt Gingrich and the dirty foreign-assisted outcome we have is what we've beeng aiming toward at least since the early 90's. There are ways to disagree. There are ways to compromise. But those went out the window w/the Newt-win-at-all-costs-compromise-is-for-pussies approach.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 4:12:42 GMT
"The Cult of Selfishness Is Killing America The right has made irresponsible behavior a key principle." "America’s response to the coronavirus has been a lose-lose proposition. The Trump administration and governors like Florida’s Ron DeSantis insisted that there was no trade-off between economic growth and controlling the disease, and they were right — but not in the way they expected. Premature reopening led to a surge in infections: Adjusted for population, Americans are currently dying from Covid-19 at around 15 times the rate in the European Union or Canada. Yet the “rocket ship” recovery Donald Trump promised has crashed and burned: Job growth appears to have stalled or reversed, especially in states that were most aggressive about lifting social distancing mandates, and early indications are that the U.S. economy is lagging behind the economies of major European nations. So we’re failing dismally on both the epidemiological and the economic fronts. But why? On the face of it, the answer is that Trump and allies were so eager to see big jobs numbers that they ignored both infection risks and the way a resurgent pandemic would undermine the economy. As I and others have said, they failed the marshmallow test, sacrificing the future because they weren’t willing to show a little patience. And there’s surely a lot to that explanation. But it isn’t the whole story. For one thing, people truly focused on restarting the economy should have been big supporters of measures to limit infections without hurting business — above all, getting Americans to wear face masks. Instead, Trump ridiculed those in masks as “politically correct,” while Republican governors not only refused to mandate mask-wearing, but they prevented mayors from imposing local mask rules. Also, politicians eager to see the economy bounce back should have wanted to sustain consumer purchasing power until wages recovered. Instead, Senate Republicans ignored the looming July 31 expiration of special unemployment benefits, which means that tens of millions of workers are about to see a huge hit to their incomes, damaging the economy as a whole. So what was going on? Were our leaders just stupid? Well, maybe. But there’s a deeper explanation of the profoundly self-destructive behavior of Trump and his allies: They were all members of America’s cult of selfishness. You see, the modern U.S. right is committed to the proposition that greed is good, that we’re all better off when individuals engage in the untrammeled pursuit of self-interest. In their vision, unrestricted profit maximization by businesses and unregulated consumer choice is the recipe for a good society... Many on the right are enraged at any suggestion that their actions should take other people’s welfare into account. This rage is sometimes portrayed as love of freedom. But people who insist on the right to pollute are notably unbothered by, say, federal agents tear-gassing peaceful protesters. What they call “freedom” is actually absence of responsibility." www.nytimes.com/2020/07/27/opinion/us-republicans-coronavirus.html
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Post by lucyg on Jul 30, 2020 7:05:28 GMT
The people who need to listen never will.
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Post by luckyjune on Jul 30, 2020 13:43:14 GMT
"...they failed the marshmallow test." This. I'm reading through community comments on our school district's decision to begin the year with remote learning. Reading things like, "We are tired of being at home!" and "I can't handle teaching my kids" and "I want my tax money back if kids are not going into a school building this year." Teachers are being dragged for not creating curricular miracles on a dime last spring and "being paid to stay home." Mind you, the decision to go remote is at the request of the county health department; the district was looking at a hybrid/online model until yesterday. ALL districts in our county will be remote. The decision was based on cases per 100,000 people, which are rising and are back to the levels we were at in March, when buildings closed.
People are acting like spoiled, self-centered children! They failed the marshmallow test! There is no looking-outside-yourself and seeing how decisions might affect others, it is only Veruca Salt-ish "I want it NOW!" demands.
Sorry for rambling. I'm heartbroken this morning. It's almost like I don't recognize my community anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 13:45:02 GMT
"...they failed the marshmallow test." This. I'm reading through community comments on our school district's decision to begin the year with remote learning. Reading things like, "We are tired of being at home!" and "I can't handle teaching my kids" and "I want my tax money back if kids are not going into a school building this year." Teachers are being dragged for not creating curricular miracles on a dime last spring and "being paid to stay home." Mind you, the decision to go remote is at the request of the county health department; the district was looking at a hybrid/online model until yesterday. ALL districts in our county will be remote. The decision was based on cases per 100,000 people, which are rising and are back to the levels we were at in March, when buildings closed. People are acting like spoiled, self-centered children! They failed the marshmallow test! There is no looking-outside-yourself and seeing how decisions might affect others, it is only Veruca Salt-ish "I want it NOW!" demands. Sorry for rambling. I'm heartbroken this morning. It's almost like I don't recognize my community anymore. "The Cult of Selfishness Is Killing America"
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Post by scraplette on Jul 30, 2020 14:36:25 GMT
“ For one thing, people truly focused on restarting the economy should have been big supporters of measures to limit infections without hurting business — above all, getting Americans to wear face masks. Instead, Trump ridiculed those in masks as “politically correct,” while Republican governors not only refused to mandate mask-wearing, but they prevented mayors from imposing local mask rules.”
Absolutely this! And don’t forget the absurd hypocrisy of those arguing My Body, My Rights .... over face masks!!!!
Wear a mask, and you get to go shopping. How hard is that?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 14:48:42 GMT
“ For one thing, people truly focused on restarting the economy should have been big supporters of measures to limit infections without hurting business — above all, getting Americans to wear face masks. Instead, Trump ridiculed those in masks as “politically correct,” while Republican governors not only refused to mandate mask-wearing, but they prevented mayors from imposing local mask rules.” Absolutely this! And don’t forget the absurd hypocrisy of those arguing My Body, My Rights .... over face masks!!!! Wear a mask, and you get to go shopping. How hard is that? There was a HORRIBLE COUPLE on Twitter yelling at a woman through her window that THEIR right to not have to wear a face mask TRUMPED her right to be out of her house. And how many nut-level "preachers" have been preaching about how God's body is perfect and the mask messes that up. How about pants? Don't pants mess up the perfect body? Aren't masks just the pants of the nose/mouth? You cover your ass in public, now you have to cover another couple of openings. Deal.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 30, 2020 14:57:55 GMT
“ For one thing, people truly focused on restarting the economy should have been big supporters of measures to limit infections without hurting business — above all, getting Americans to wear face masks. Instead, Trump ridiculed those in masks as “politically correct,” while Republican governors not only refused to mandate mask-wearing, but they prevented mayors from imposing local mask rules.” Absolutely this! And don’t forget the absurd hypocrisy of those arguing My Body, My Rights .... over face masks!!!! Wear a mask, and you get to go shopping. How hard is that? There was a HORRIBLE COUPLE on Twitter yelling at a woman through her window that THEIR right to not have to wear a face mask TRUMPED her right to be out of her house. And how many nut-level "preachers" have been preaching about how God's body is perfect and the mask messes that up. How about pants? Don't pants mess up the perfect body? Aren't masks just the pants of the nose/mouth? You cover your ass in public, now you have to cover another couple of openings. Deal. You crack me up.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 30, 2020 16:10:05 GMT
Aren't masks just the pants of the nose/mouth? You cover your ass in public, now you have to cover another couple of openings. Deal. bwahahaha! I totally have to use this one on my DH the next time he bitches about wearing a mask. (FTR, he's bitching about masks because they're a 'tangible' sign that everything is irrevocably changed in the world, and he hates that.)
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Post by mrssmith on Jul 30, 2020 16:30:52 GMT
They have a soul? Seem pretty soul-less to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 16:44:32 GMT
There was a HORRIBLE COUPLE on Twitter yelling at a woman through her window that THEIR right to not have to wear a face mask TRUMPED her right to be out of her house. And how many nut-level "preachers" have been preaching about how God's body is perfect and the mask messes that up. How about pants? Don't pants mess up the perfect body? Aren't masks just the pants of the nose/mouth? You cover your ass in public, now you have to cover another couple of openings. Deal. You crack me up. Butt crack?
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Post by katiekaty on Jul 30, 2020 20:17:18 GMT
So you admit that the Republican Party has a soul to battle over.
I definitely know that the Democratic Party has no soul at all. Trump wanted to line item the unemployment extension and deal with the rest later. Pelosi refused and vowed to fight it to the death even though Americans have an all time high need for the extra money from the cares act to keep from loosing the home, feeding their kids, etc.
By the way, I don’t identify either party and still don’t know who I will vote for, but the COVID enforced loss of jobs and income is hitting individuals HARD!
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Post by hop2 on Jul 30, 2020 20:43:11 GMT
So you admit that the Republican Party has a soul to battle over. I definitely know that the Democratic Party has no soul at all. Trump wanted to line item the unemployment extension and deal with the rest later. Pelosi refused and vowed to fight it to the death even though Americans have an all time high need for the extra money from the cares act to keep from loosing the home, feeding their kids, etc. By the way, I don’t identify either party and still don’t know who I will vote for, but the COVID enforced loss of jobs and income is hitting individuals HARD! You have a link for that? Last I heard Senate Republicans don’t want the extension. ( my link is below ) I like seeing other news sources so I can ascertain the real story for myself Thanks www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1235230
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Post by peasquared on Jul 30, 2020 20:59:35 GMT
So you admit that the Republican Party has a soul to battle over. I definitely know that the Democratic Party has no soul at all. Trump wanted to line item the unemployment extension and deal with the rest later. Pelosi refused and vowed to fight it to the death even though Americans have an all time high need for the extra money from the cares act to keep from loosing the home, feeding their kids, etc. By the way, I don’t identify either party and still don’t know who I will vote for, but the COVID enforced loss of jobs and income is hitting individuals HARD! That is why the democratic party passed a bill 76 DAYS AGO. Meanwhile, the republican party waited until the last second, again. And included money for a new FBI building and expanded tax breaks for meals and entertainment for businesses. It is NOT the democrats that are soul-less!
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Post by mrssmith on Jul 31, 2020 16:58:12 GMT
So you admit that the Republican Party has a soul to battle over. I definitely know that the Democratic Party has no soul at all. Trump wanted to line item the unemployment extension and deal with the rest later. Pelosi refused and vowed to fight it to the death even though Americans have an all time high need for the extra money from the cares act to keep from loosing the home, feeding their kids, etc. By the way, I don’t identify either party and still don’t know who I will vote for, but the COVID enforced loss of jobs and income is hitting individuals HARD! That is why the democratic party passed a bill 76 DAYS AGO. Meanwhile, the republican party waited until the last second, again. And included money for a new FBI building and expanded tax breaks for meals and entertainment for businesses. It is NOT the democrats that are soul-less! katiekaty: McConnell won't even sit in the same room as Pelosi & Schumer. Mnuchin shuttles back and forth. (hear this directly from my Senator last night) Is that a party that wants a deal? What they proposed included expanded tax breaks (100%!!!!!) for business meals/entertainment but cut SNAP benefits and the Pandemic EBT program. They don't care if people have enough to eat, unless it's a business person who can write off the meal: "But Republicans’ Health, Economic Assistance, Liability Protection and Schools Act (the Heals Act) does not expand the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), formerly known as food stamps, nor does it extend the Pandemic EBT program, a debit-card benefit for households with children who have temporarily lost access to free or reduced-price school meals. The Pandemic EBT program expired at the end of June." To be clear - I'm pissed that they all went home. But McConnell sat on the bill for MONTHS while people died.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 31, 2020 17:14:11 GMT
So you admit that the Republican Party has a soul to battle over. I definitely know that the Democratic Party has no soul at all. Trump wanted to line item the unemployment extension and deal with the rest later. Pelosi refused and vowed to fight it to the death even though Americans have an all time high need for the extra money from the cares act to keep from loosing the home, feeding their kids, etc. By the way, I don’t identify either party and still don’t know who I will vote for, but the COVID enforced loss of jobs and income is hitting individuals HARD! don't try to sound enlightened and say you don't identify with either party. The fact that you are even thinking of voting for Trump says exactly where/who you are
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Post by femalebusiness on Jul 31, 2020 17:18:37 GMT
So you admit that the Republican Party has a soul to battle over. I definitely know that the Democratic Party has no soul at all. Trump wanted to line item the unemployment extension and deal with the rest later. Pelosi refused and vowed to fight it to the death even though Americans have an all time high need for the extra money from the cares act to keep from loosing the home, feeding their kids, etc. By the way, I don’t identify either party and still don’t know who I will vote for, but the COVID enforced loss of jobs and income is hitting individuals HARD! You need to do some more research/reading. You would understand better what is happening.
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Post by lizacreates on Jul 31, 2020 18:17:53 GMT
Oh my. I was going to skip this thread because I’m not interested in saving the GOP’s soul. But that accusation against Democrats cannot be left unchallenged. katiekaty: Who do you think introduced the CARES Act? Joe Courtney, Democrat. Because Democrats created the bill, now law. Who do you think introduced the HEROES Act, an extension of unemployment enhancement, continued moratorium on evictions and foreclosures, help for those uninsured due to job loss, increase to SNAP due to food insecurity, aid to states, etc? Nita Lowey, Democrat. Because Democrats created the bill. All other bills introduced and passed and are now laws to help individuals and small businesses during this pandemic were by Democrats-Paycheck Protection and Healthcare Enhancement Act, Families First Coronavirus Response Act, Coronavirus Preparedness and Response Supplemental Appropriations Act. Did you really think the GOP would have initiated bills that would help ordinary working families in this time of grave need? Did you know what the GOP inserted in the CARES Act? Here: Republicans Used the Coronavirus Bill to Give Millionaires a $90 Billion Gift Legislative trackers are very informative. I urge you to use them next time before you condemn Democrats as having "no soul at all." Don’t depend on what Trump spews on the WH lawn because unless you’ve abstained from reading the news for the past three-and-a-half years, you would know he lies. Everyday. Several times a day.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 18:19:47 GMT
Thanks folks. It's exhausting fighting the lies and misinformation.
Thanks for all pitching in to post the truth w/citations.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 31, 2020 18:43:12 GMT
Guess I’m not going to get a link that shows me where Nancy is pulling the extended benefits away from those in need am I?
Mitch has to go. More than Trump the Senate needs a severe shake up. Mitch has to go. I pray everyday for KY to find their spines and look for someone to represent them instead of a greedy jerk filling his pockets. Mitch has to go. As of Feb 2020 there were over 275 bills passed by the congress that Mitch refuses to even bring to the floor. Mitch has to go.
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Post by inkedup on Jul 31, 2020 18:49:35 GMT
"...they failed the marshmallow test." This. I'm reading through community comments on our school district's decision to begin the year with remote learning. Reading things like, "We are tired of being at home!" and "I can't handle teaching my kids" and "I want my tax money back if kids are not going into a school building this year." Teachers are being dragged for not creating curricular miracles on a dime last spring and "being paid to stay home." Mind you, the decision to go remote is at the request of the county health department; the district was looking at a hybrid/online model until yesterday. ALL districts in our county will be remote. The decision was based on cases per 100,000 people, which are rising and are back to the levels we were at in March, when buildings closed. People are acting like spoiled, self-centered children! They failed the marshmallow test! There is no looking-outside-yourself and seeing how decisions might affect others, it is only Veruca Salt-ish "I want it NOW!" demands. Sorry for rambling. I'm heartbroken this morning. It's almost like I don't recognize my community anymore. I feel the same way. Our district is starting remotely and the FB comments from parents are disheartening and awful. There is an astonishing amount of entitlement and lack of respect for teachers on display. On the one hand, teachers are lazy and entitled and don't do much, anyway. But on the other hand, omg don't expect these people to put any time, effort or money into educating their own children because omg taxes! Every teacher I know is dealing with so many emotions on top of the emotions we are all dealing with as parents and humans in this pandemic. They're worried. They're sad. They're scared. THEY'RE MAKING DESK PARTITIONS OUT OF PVC AND SHOWER CURTAINS THAT THEY PAID FOR THEMSELVES. And the Karens of the world sit on their computers and bitch. I hate people so much right now.
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Post by luckyjune on Jul 31, 2020 20:12:42 GMT
"...they failed the marshmallow test." This. I'm reading through community comments on our school district's decision to begin the year with remote learning. Reading things like, "We are tired of being at home!" and "I can't handle teaching my kids" and "I want my tax money back if kids are not going into a school building this year." Teachers are being dragged for not creating curricular miracles on a dime last spring and "being paid to stay home." Mind you, the decision to go remote is at the request of the county health department; the district was looking at a hybrid/online model until yesterday. ALL districts in our county will be remote. The decision was based on cases per 100,000 people, which are rising and are back to the levels we were at in March, when buildings closed. People are acting like spoiled, self-centered children! They failed the marshmallow test! There is no looking-outside-yourself and seeing how decisions might affect others, it is only Veruca Salt-ish "I want it NOW!" demands. Sorry for rambling. I'm heartbroken this morning. It's almost like I don't recognize my community anymore. I feel the same way. Our district is starting remotely and the FB comments from parents are disheartening and awful. There is an astonishing amount of entitlement and lack of respect for teachers on display. On the one hand, teachers are lazy and entitled and don't do much, anyway. But on the other hand, omg don't expect these people to put any time, effort or money into educating their own children because omg taxes! Every teacher I know is dealing with so many emotions on top of the emotions we are all dealing with as parents and humans in this pandemic. They're worried. They're sad. They're scared. THEY'RE MAKING DESK PARTITIONS OUT OF PVC AND SHOWER CURTAINS THAT THEY PAID FOR THEMSELVES. And the Karens of the world sit on their computers and bitch. I hate people so much right now. Right there with you.
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Post by scrapngranny on Jul 31, 2020 20:55:36 GMT
The a Republican Party does not have a soul. The greedy cowards have proven that every single day since January 20, 2017.
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Post by sassyangel on Aug 1, 2020 2:49:11 GMT
"...they failed the marshmallow test." This. I'm reading through community comments on our school district's decision to begin the year with remote learning. Reading things like, "We are tired of being at home!" and "I can't handle teaching my kids" and "I want my tax money back if kids are not going into a school building this year." Teachers are being dragged for not creating curricular miracles on a dime last spring and "being paid to stay home." Mind you, the decision to go remote is at the request of the county health department; the district was looking at a hybrid/online model until yesterday. ALL districts in our county will be remote. The decision was based on cases per 100,000 people, which are rising and are back to the levels we were at in March, when buildings closed. People are acting like spoiled, self-centered children! They failed the marshmallow test! There is no looking-outside-yourself and seeing how decisions might affect others, it is only Veruca Salt-ish "I want it NOW!" demands. Sorry for rambling. I'm heartbroken this morning. It's almost like I don't recognize my community anymore. I could not agree with you more. I wish I could like this twice.
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Post by sassyangel on Aug 1, 2020 2:52:31 GMT
The a Republican Party does not have a soul. The greedy cowards have proven that every single day since January 20, 2017. Agreed. They are soulless, callous and unrepentantly only out for themselves.
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